Renewable Power is the way forward.. Seriously though, how come nobody has tried to seriously enforce natural energy? It may be too much money now, but it's bet
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Renewable Power is the way forward.

Seriously though, how come nobody has tried to seriously enforce natural energy? It may be too much money now, but it's better than war.

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#1 - youlikeme (06/23/2014) [+] (51 replies)
**youlikeme rolled image**
The thing about solar power is, it's very uncontrollable. Yes if you do it right it's a good source, but when you're dealing with something as powerful as the sun, there are many ways things can go wrong. It's just too much energy. It's too risky, essentially.
#5 to #1 - carbohydrates (06/23/2014) [-]
Care to explain how you find solar energy is uncontrollable?   
... Level -233 in comments, nevermind; you're just going for more red thumbs.
Care to explain how you find solar energy is uncontrollable?
... Level -233 in comments, nevermind; you're just going for more red thumbs.
#32 - Sworley ONLINE (06/23/2014) [+] (3 replies)
no one could possibly own something so grossly incandescent
#12 - mankey (06/23/2014) [+] (20 replies)
Surface area for power.
#8 - thechosentroll (06/23/2014) [+] (46 replies)
Yeah, I'd hate to be the bearer of bad news, but it really isn't feasible. Most alternative energy isn't. Solar panels provide an absurdly small amount of energy and considering their cost, they won't bay for themselves in a lifetime. Plus, you need a massive, well-lit area where you can install the damn things, which means they're not an option in most places. Similar case with wind parks - the area the wind generators cover has to be bigger than the city the power's being transported to in order for it to be enough, not to mention how unreliable it is. For the time being, the only alternative power source that's actually practical is geothermal energy, though there are lots of conventional power sources that don't pollute all that much, such as hydro-electric powerplants and nuclear power plants, but unfortunately, even though nuclear power is cheap and clean, it'll never become all that wide-spread, since hippies, liberals and dumbasses in general go "But ez not seif, bicuz of that one accident 50+ years ago." or "But nuclear bombz is made of the same tings. That means it's dangerous.". Yes, and your ass contains most of the ingredients for nitroglycerin, doesn't mean we can outlaw you.   
   
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Yeah, I'd hate to be the bearer of bad news, but it really isn't feasible. Most alternative energy isn't. Solar panels provide an absurdly small amount of energy and considering their cost, they won't bay for themselves in a lifetime. Plus, you need a massive, well-lit area where you can install the damn things, which means they're not an option in most places. Similar case with wind parks - the area the wind generators cover has to be bigger than the city the power's being transported to in order for it to be enough, not to mention how unreliable it is. For the time being, the only alternative power source that's actually practical is geothermal energy, though there are lots of conventional power sources that don't pollute all that much, such as hydro-electric powerplants and nuclear power plants, but unfortunately, even though nuclear power is cheap and clean, it'll never become all that wide-spread, since hippies, liberals and dumbasses in general go "But ez not seif, bicuz of that one accident 50+ years ago." or "But nuclear bombz is made of the same tings. That means it's dangerous.". Yes, and your ass contains most of the ingredients for nitroglycerin, doesn't mean we can outlaw you.

Have a gif to compensate for the wall of text.
#3 - 4chan refugee (06/23/2014) [+] (5 replies)
Solar power
1)making the solar cells costs more energy than they will produce in their usable lifespan
2)Also produces more toxic pollutants (factory runoff, etc)
3)Requires millions of acres of land just to meet CURRENT needs.
4)NIGHT TIME, FOOL.
5)Not to mention CLOUDS.

Solar power is a nifty gimmick and a potential supplement, but it can't handle the load.
#14 to #3 - wheredahoodat (06/23/2014) [-]
Your mom can't handle the load.
#138 - 4chan refugee (06/24/2014) [+] (1 reply)
The way of the future
#39 - 4chan refugee (06/23/2014) [+] (6 replies)
MFW people equate "Big Oil" to Capitalism and not what is clearly a Government enforced pseudo-monopoly then suggest that the solution is to give the Government more power.

MFW people do the same exact thing with "Big Pharma" and factory farms.

MFW people refuse to think for themselves and decide to push problems onto other people by giving power to politicians who clearly do not give two ***** about the world's problems and instead abuse their power to make themselves rich.
#23 - hammerify (06/23/2014) [+] (4 replies)
Liked the post... but your description just pissed me off...
#112 - kinginyellow (06/24/2014) [+] (6 replies)
Why is nuclear power so easily dismissed? France gets a lot of it's power from nuclear sources, there are WAY better safety precautions in place since Chernobyl (which was poorly made to begin with, along with being exaggerated, seriously check the anti-nuclear group claims against the real numbers published by WHO) , and the only huge issues are waste disposal and cost. Hell if we could actually make fusion reactors to become a reality as opposed to fission, there's so much power in such a little amount o fuel, and the waste is much easier to manage.

Idk, I think that we should keep pushing for fusion reactors and implementing the proper safety measures. Nuclear power is looking like a promising thing if fusion becomes a reality.
#109 - arealbountyhunter (06/24/2014) [+] (15 replies)
this just makes me mad. Thorium can be used as fuel for cars and they can run with it for 100 years using only 8 grams of that stuff. the government is not funding this, because, well.. you know, there's not much profit in that. so they prefer to damage the earth and get money on the way over saving earth little by little. I tell you man, if an alien race wants to destroy us all, I'll understand them.
this just makes me mad. Thorium can be used as fuel for cars and they can run with it for 100 years using only 8 grams of that stuff. the government is not funding this, because, well.. you know, there's not much profit in that. so they prefer to damage the earth and get money on the way over saving earth little by little. I tell you man, if an alien race wants to destroy us all, I'll understand them.
#80 - kmichel (06/24/2014) [+] (9 replies)
Solar panels aren't a bad technology to pursue, but commercial ones right now use a lot of nasty chemicals in their production.

I'd like to see more nuclear reactors. The current IFR fission reactors don't produce long-term waste anymore, and are incredibly safe as long as you don't build them on fault lines. Breeder reactors can actually use the waste from older reactors as fuel.

Thorium was being pursued by the US, but was abandoned a few decades ago. We literally gave the Chinese everything we knew about thorium when a member of their nuclear commission came here more recently, and now China is a leader in thorium. I'd like to see the US get back into that technology because it's cleaner than uranium and can't melt down. Repairs are extremely dangerous to make for the technicians though.

Two other options are regular fusion, which we're still researching with experiments like the ITER in France, and cold fusion using the weak nuclear force, which NASA has made great contributions in. Weak nuclear force cold fusion is a better bet than regular fusion at the moment, but no one has made a stable reactor yet.
User avatar #209 - iridium (06/24/2014) [-]
People like to talk about all the energy that hits the Earth on a daily basis, but you gotta remember what it takes to actually harvest this energy for fuel. Solar Energy, as it is, is not enough to sustain the amount of energy we need it to. Of course I know it's not the only kind of energy we need to use, but Solar just doesn't provide enough. Not to mention only 12-14% of the energy that hits a solar panel actually gets used.

It's a step in the right direction for energy, but we need something more.
User avatar #187 - iviagic (06/24/2014) [+] (5 replies)
Solar Power is too risky. There's a reason why we try our best to refrain from using it; when you're dealing with an energy source such as the sun, it's best not to play with big numbers and take big risks.
#197 to #187 - oliphan (06/24/2014) [-]
Oh my god do you try.

Dat bait tho.
User avatar #45 - wersand (06/23/2014) [-]
Seriously though, I'm ******* tired of not having public transport too. I can't wait till I'm back in Germany, where I can travel and a read a book while I do it.
#358 - serpens ONLINE (06/24/2014) [+] (1 reply)
Solar in the future will become an excellent fuel alternative but at this point in time they are neither cheaper nor less pollutant (not the product but the practice by which most solar panels are made)than current energy production methods. The period which it takes for a solar cell to pay off is AT LEAST 13 years. Go nuclear. (That really cool solar road project people talk about would take 89 years to become cost effective even if they only cost the same to maintain as current roads) Maybe you're willing to wait 89 years to start earning but If we star the project 20 years from now I bet it would only be 40 years until cost effective, we have to wait for the technology to catch up.
Look into LFTR's, Yucca mountain, Nuclear waste transportation, Thorium abundance, Thorium byproduct half-lives... there really should be no fear nuclear accident with our current facilities. ( and yes I know we're blocking Yucca mountain legislation)
#301 - gogogaget (06/24/2014) [+] (2 replies)
Well actually if "Big Oil" is meant to mean mining in general (which by the uranium part it looks like it does) , then "Big Oil" would still be in a good position to make a profit (although maybe not as much as coal or gas) due to the large amount rare earth metals required to make a solar panel and even wind turbines.

So basically nothing will change that much:
www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/11/101101083154.htm

From a mining engineer who is pro renewable energy.
#180 - 4chan refugee (06/24/2014) [+] (3 replies)
So much ignorance in the comments.

Solar power IS feasible. Google Germany and you will see they are the world leader in solar power.

Nuclear power is clean and all that. It's just too bad EVERY SINGLE NUCLEAR REACTOR LEAKS. Oh, and also that little thing about most nuclear power plants are build on or near fault lines. No big deal. Seriously, google it.

Geez, read a book.
#235 to #180 - theinvisibletheift (06/24/2014) [-]
What books are you getting this out of? Solar power has way too many efficiency issues. You point to Germany as an example. Why not, after all? They have 30% of the worlds solar panels. Hell for an hour one afternoon they were able to produce half of their energy needs from the sun. But that was an hour. Over the year they produced only 5%. Still the highest, but if 5% is the highest we have, the tech nowhere near where it needs to be.

Then there's the nuclear power plants. All things leak radiation. Bananas, as I'm sure you've heard, are radioactive. Hell the color orange is particularly radioactive. So yeah. Reactors leak. There's never 100% containment of anything. But the leakage is small. It's a negligible increase from environmental emissions, though. If you have natural granite countertops in your home you absorb more radiation on a daily basis than a worker in a nuclear powerplant does working every day for years.

As for the fault line problem, it's not even an issue. That's the fault line map vs what nuclear reactors we have that i posted. There are few built in anything near a problem zone. Also, if you knew anything about how the reactors work and the safety measures put in place, you'd know that an earthquake would be the safest thing the reactor could experience because of the instantaneous stoppage of the reaction. Chemistry is a nice thing.

Read past what the media reports, ******* . We need excess to drive progress. If we're strapped for energy, we won't have the resources to improve and will be stuck trying to make ends meet. We need to get off fossil fuels, but we're not ready yet.
User avatar #69 - theladystrangler (06/23/2014) [+] (7 replies)
>thinking oil causes wars
>thinking that solar energy companies are non-profit unicorn ******* companies that donate limbs to homeless shelters
#82 to #69 - kmichel (06/24/2014) [-]
Aghanistan was mostly fought for oil. Iraq was mostly fought for oil, and to prevent the country from switching to the PetroEuro. Syria was going to be fought for natural gas. We don't invade countries unless we can get something out of it, like greater political influence, weakening of our competitors, or natural resources. No developed country fights for humanitarian reasons despite what the White House and media might say.
#277 - bazda (06/24/2014) [-]
Something tells me if Nikola Tesla were alive today he would look at our supposed "energy crisis" and just laugh his ass off.
#150 - 4chan refugee (06/24/2014) [+] (5 replies)
Solar power is very expensive and space consuming for relatively little return, it makes sense if you have a spare desert lying around to turn into a solar farm but its typically more space and energy efficient to just go nuclear.
The people running these companies aren't stupid, they are rich because they understand where to invest, if solar power was worth its effort we'd be surrounded by it, but its simply not.
We're about 15~20 years away from solar power being worth its cost, not long after coal and oil prices will make them unviable and maybe then solar power will pick up, but its far more likely the relatively safe and clean and impressive monetary and spatial efficiency of nuclear power will take hold (especially with research into nuclear power still excelling)
User avatar #160 to #150 - Crusader (06/24/2014) [-]
There is a guy that lives about 4 minutes from me.
He has two 30x30 panels
He gets paid $1200 a month after his power bill
Granted, he had to take out a loan and it will take him about 7 years to pay off the panels, but I would think that it isn't that hard to set up solar panels in areas like that. I can think of 2 amazing places to put them already

1 - Warehouse roofs. Ever been to an industrial part of your town/city? That mile upon mile of concrete rooftop that could be converted
2 - Barns. If my neighbour is pumping out that much power from 1800 square feet, imagine what a 9,000 square feet can do (150 foot barn in length, each side of the roof is 30 wide, making each one 4500, total 9000)

Granted, neither of those areas are in abundance, well actually, they are.
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