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herbolifee (01/09/2016) [-] No, they're enjoyable sure, but they're badly written.
Obi Wan: "Patience. Use the force. Think"
Proceeds to jump through the ******* window to hang on to a droid, flying miles above any ground.
There's so much wrong with them, but like I said they're enjoyable. I don't hate them like a lot of people do.
Obi Wan: "Patience. Use the force. Think"
Proceeds to jump through the ******* window to hang on to a droid, flying miles above any ground.
There's so much wrong with them, but like I said they're enjoyable. I don't hate them like a lot of people do.
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opticmonkey ONLINE (01/09/2016) [-] I don't see a problem there, you can be patient and think all you want but you still need to be able to act quickly. Especially since jedi have supernatural reflexes, so what may seem like rash decision making to us could be calm, disciplined reactions.
Not to mention it wouldn't even really be a flaw. Anakin was pretty rash for a jedi it's been a long time since I've read the books but I'm pretty sure obiwan was too, he almost didn't become a jedi because of it so that would just be good advice to give him, same way an alcoholic dad should encourage his son not to drink
Not to mention it wouldn't even really be a flaw. Anakin was pretty rash for a jedi it's been a long time since I've read the books but I'm pretty sure obiwan was too, he almost didn't become a jedi because of it so that would just be good advice to give him, same way an alcoholic dad should encourage his son not to drink
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ohemgeezus (01/09/2016) [-] The originals are hardly perfect, but how do you think they're poorly written?
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stifflimb (01/10/2016) [-] Now it's ages since I last saw them so coming up with all the things I though about then is gonna be an issue, I'll give it a try though to some points.
-Yoda being crazed being who jump around and acting like he's 20 to a few days later die of old age to weak to barely speak, and the crazy bit when he was supposed to be one of the most wise and in control of his emotion/thoughts or you turn dark being in the universe
-The weirdness of how blasters sometimes seem as powerful as small rpgs blasting out chunks out of wall and yet Leia gets hit in the shoulder and gets nothing more than a little burn and is fine in the evening afterwards
-The extremly convinient opening in the death star that when shot into makes the blast shot curve until it hits the reactor while otherwise blast shots goes perfectly straight.
-The Obi Wan goes "You know what, I'm old an tired, ******* just kill me",
-Why they did not shot down the escape pod in the beginning of episode 4, it might not contain life forms but not a bad way to transport info and supplies, which everyone in that universe should know when they are in the damn space military.
-Leia being strong enough to strangle Jabba, yeah he's a big blob but being that size he must have some strenght, and the fact none of Jabbas guys did anything despite there was a whole transport veichle full of them.
-How they escaped from the cloud city, twice, they came back to pick up Luke like it was nothing, Vader should have had a cruiser hiding around that should have gotten there to keep anyone from escaping.
-Luke magically become strong and skilled enough to take out Vader despite he had like a few years to train against Vaders 40 or something.
-That Luke took so much of the Emperors lightning without dying, thats supposed to burn some to crisp in a matter of seconds and Luke took for a full minute and was totally fine as soon as it stopped.
The originals were groundbreaking in a lot of ways, in no way were it some writing masterpiece.
-Yoda being crazed being who jump around and acting like he's 20 to a few days later die of old age to weak to barely speak, and the crazy bit when he was supposed to be one of the most wise and in control of his emotion/thoughts or you turn dark being in the universe
-The weirdness of how blasters sometimes seem as powerful as small rpgs blasting out chunks out of wall and yet Leia gets hit in the shoulder and gets nothing more than a little burn and is fine in the evening afterwards
-The extremly convinient opening in the death star that when shot into makes the blast shot curve until it hits the reactor while otherwise blast shots goes perfectly straight.
-The Obi Wan goes "You know what, I'm old an tired, ******* just kill me",
-Why they did not shot down the escape pod in the beginning of episode 4, it might not contain life forms but not a bad way to transport info and supplies, which everyone in that universe should know when they are in the damn space military.
-Leia being strong enough to strangle Jabba, yeah he's a big blob but being that size he must have some strenght, and the fact none of Jabbas guys did anything despite there was a whole transport veichle full of them.
-How they escaped from the cloud city, twice, they came back to pick up Luke like it was nothing, Vader should have had a cruiser hiding around that should have gotten there to keep anyone from escaping.
-Luke magically become strong and skilled enough to take out Vader despite he had like a few years to train against Vaders 40 or something.
-That Luke took so much of the Emperors lightning without dying, thats supposed to burn some to crisp in a matter of seconds and Luke took for a full minute and was totally fine as soon as it stopped.
The originals were groundbreaking in a lot of ways, in no way were it some writing masterpiece.
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huntergriff ONLINE (01/10/2016) [-] also palpatine was about to kill luke with his lightning, but...vader picked him up and he took the full blast of palpatine's full power. before that he's just toying with his prey...like a cat or something.
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stifflimb (01/10/2016) [-] WAS, but he was still hiting him for almost a full minute without him dying or even passing, I seem to remember Anakin passing out when Dooku did it to him for half a second just, so either the Emperor is weaker than Dooku in that regard or Luke is somehow insulated.
And then Vader takes it for a second or two and there's literally smoke coming out from him without him even taking the full force from it due to the Emperor wasnt directed at him, sure he has electronics but it's still just badly written and made.
And he only plays with him until Luke says he refuses to turn and then the Emperor goes then die and goes on blasting him for another few seconds without him dying or passing out, and he has 0 damage of it afterwards while Vader just dies, still again that's likely due to the electronics he has but still.
And then Vader takes it for a second or two and there's literally smoke coming out from him without him even taking the full force from it due to the Emperor wasnt directed at him, sure he has electronics but it's still just badly written and made.
And he only plays with him until Luke says he refuses to turn and then the Emperor goes then die and goes on blasting him for another few seconds without him dying or passing out, and he has 0 damage of it afterwards while Vader just dies, still again that's likely due to the electronics he has but still.
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vegasstoner (01/10/2016) [-]
look could be stronger in terms of raw power than anakin was. would explain why he got strong so fast too.
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huntergriff ONLINE (01/10/2016) [-] most of the reason vader died was due to the prosthetics. in fact, palpatine threatened him with that multiple times
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ohemgeezus (01/10/2016) [-] -When was Yoda jumping around in RotJ? Or even ESB? I know he was more lively in ESB but the only thing I can think of is him jumping onto Luke. Him getting dementia right when he's about to die is hardly poor writing
-I don't remember regular blasters taking out walls and stuff either, I always figured there were different calibers
-That I can agree about, I don't know if there's an explanation about why the shot from Lukes x-wing curved into the hole, but that was always stupid to me
-I always figured that was a way of getting Luke to actually have a reason to want to go after Vader, he had no reason to go after Vader but Obi sacrificing himself/plus the fact he knew he'd become one with the Force I never had a problem with. He knew he couldn't actually beat Vader so he made it so Luke would
-I agree and disagree with this, because if I remember right, they said it must've been a malfunction that cause it to go, and at the time I think they were still hunting down Leia, so no life forms meant no Leia on there. But I do agree because they were looking for an inanimate object which the Death Star plans were on, so they still could've just shot to be sure
-Jabba guards were all busy with Luke fighting on the thing, barely any of them were still on Jabbas ship, and those that were were trying to shoot at Luke/Han/Chewie. Plus Jabbas arms are short, and he couldn't reach the chains to pull it off
-Vader didn't have a ship anywhere near the planet because the whole point was to make sure Han and crew landed so they could be captured, but I do agree there should've been Empire flooding cloud city on the return trip
-In a way I doubt Vader really wanted to kill Luke, so he was holding back, whereas Luke was going for the kill after Vader learned of Leia and told Luke he'd try to turn her to the Dark Side, plus he learned for 3 years with Obi, ofc we don't know for sure where he was those 3 years, he could've been with Yoda or just helping the Rebels, but that's 3 years of active training
-This I agree on because Papa Palpatines Force Lightning ****** up Vader and he only had it for 5 seconds
-I don't remember regular blasters taking out walls and stuff either, I always figured there were different calibers
-That I can agree about, I don't know if there's an explanation about why the shot from Lukes x-wing curved into the hole, but that was always stupid to me
-I always figured that was a way of getting Luke to actually have a reason to want to go after Vader, he had no reason to go after Vader but Obi sacrificing himself/plus the fact he knew he'd become one with the Force I never had a problem with. He knew he couldn't actually beat Vader so he made it so Luke would
-I agree and disagree with this, because if I remember right, they said it must've been a malfunction that cause it to go, and at the time I think they were still hunting down Leia, so no life forms meant no Leia on there. But I do agree because they were looking for an inanimate object which the Death Star plans were on, so they still could've just shot to be sure
-Jabba guards were all busy with Luke fighting on the thing, barely any of them were still on Jabbas ship, and those that were were trying to shoot at Luke/Han/Chewie. Plus Jabbas arms are short, and he couldn't reach the chains to pull it off
-Vader didn't have a ship anywhere near the planet because the whole point was to make sure Han and crew landed so they could be captured, but I do agree there should've been Empire flooding cloud city on the return trip
-In a way I doubt Vader really wanted to kill Luke, so he was holding back, whereas Luke was going for the kill after Vader learned of Leia and told Luke he'd try to turn her to the Dark Side, plus he learned for 3 years with Obi, ofc we don't know for sure where he was those 3 years, he could've been with Yoda or just helping the Rebels, but that's 3 years of active training
-This I agree on because Papa Palpatines Force Lightning ****** up Vader and he only had it for 5 seconds
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stifflimb (01/10/2016) [-] -More of an expression of how he acted, full of energy going through Luke's **** when he got there, being thrown around on Lukes back, and so on, and then suddenly he's dying of old age, it goes from 0-99 on the spot.
-As said long as time ago I saw it, but I think while they first met Han and was running away from the Empire who found them I seem to remember chunks of the wall got blasted of, still most people die from 1 shot, she just gets a minor burn, just weird and inconsistant.
-Exactly, looked weird as **** .
-Well... they killed his adpotive parents already, that should have been strong enough reason, especially since Luke had what? 5 hours of training before that happens, he could have used some more training.
-Exactly they were going after intel, shouldn't have been an question to shut it down even.
-But who sends all his guards? Usually there should still be 1 or 2 guards staying behind, also other than Boba not many of them had ways to get onto the other veichles. Jabba didnt even trash around, just making choke noices.
-Vader got there somehow, so after he got there he would have had the cruiser go into hiding somewhere, and as soon as they landed and had no acess to scanners called for the cruiser.
-Aye, and so much about that lightning being much stronger in the books, movies and series, like episode 2 and Anakin takes it from Dooku for like half a second and passes out, Luke had 0 damage of it afterword, even 5 min after it.
-As said long as time ago I saw it, but I think while they first met Han and was running away from the Empire who found them I seem to remember chunks of the wall got blasted of, still most people die from 1 shot, she just gets a minor burn, just weird and inconsistant.
-Exactly, looked weird as **** .
-Well... they killed his adpotive parents already, that should have been strong enough reason, especially since Luke had what? 5 hours of training before that happens, he could have used some more training.
-Exactly they were going after intel, shouldn't have been an question to shut it down even.
-But who sends all his guards? Usually there should still be 1 or 2 guards staying behind, also other than Boba not many of them had ways to get onto the other veichles. Jabba didnt even trash around, just making choke noices.
-Vader got there somehow, so after he got there he would have had the cruiser go into hiding somewhere, and as soon as they landed and had no acess to scanners called for the cruiser.
-Aye, and so much about that lightning being much stronger in the books, movies and series, like episode 2 and Anakin takes it from Dooku for like half a second and passes out, Luke had 0 damage of it afterword, even 5 min after it.
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vegasstoner (01/10/2016) [-]
they talk about lei being force sensitive and thats why shes a bit stronger than your average person. so you could maybe take that as why the blaster didnt mess her up too bad.
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huntergriff ONLINE (01/10/2016) [-] she uses the force to find luke after he calls out to her in empire... so there's that. take from it what you will.
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vegasstoner (01/10/2016) [-]
yeah i just watched the originals for the first time about a week ago. i think story wise, character wise, and acting wise they're better, but they have there flaws too. the originals make much more of a spectacle of the force. but honestly i think the originals are more exciting because you care more about the characters. anakin is just a gross character, qui gon dies before you really get attached, yoda has very little significant screen time before his big fight. the queen (or at least who you think is the queen) is super emotionless and boring. etc. etc.
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stifflimb (01/10/2016) [-] Going by the lore of Star Wars the force is better potrayed in the prequels and extremly downlowed in the originals.
I think the characters are more leveled in the prequels and in the originals they are more cliche, really much of the I'm a bad guy muahahaha, especially in the end, which is both good and bad, they got their different flaws and perks.
I like the prequels more, perhaps cause first I ever saw was episode 1 and then 4-5-6 and then grew up with 2 and 3 coming out so I feel more attached to them.
I also think prequels loses some of it's story due to you already knows what happens, you're already spoiled about the big things.
I think the characters are more leveled in the prequels and in the originals they are more cliche, really much of the I'm a bad guy muahahaha, especially in the end, which is both good and bad, they got their different flaws and perks.
I like the prequels more, perhaps cause first I ever saw was episode 1 and then 4-5-6 and then grew up with 2 and 3 coming out so I feel more attached to them.
I also think prequels loses some of it's story due to you already knows what happens, you're already spoiled about the big things.
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vegasstoner (01/10/2016) [-]
yeah that is a pretty big part about the prequels...like i watched them before the originals. but i still knew that anakin was going to become darth vader.
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vegasstoner (01/10/2016) [-]
i thought that pretty much everyone knew that...maybe they dont know its anakin but everyones heard the misquoted line "luke, i am your father" which from there you know darth vader is luke skywalkers father, from there its not hard to assume that anakin skywalker -> luke skywalker
but i wish in the third movie they would have left you assuming anakin is dead. that way you could watch them all in order and i think it would be pretty impactful learning that anakin was in fact alive AND vader. would be waay better imo. the way they ended the 3rd was big time fan service that they would have been better off without.
but i wish in the third movie they would have left you assuming anakin is dead. that way you could watch them all in order and i think it would be pretty impactful learning that anakin was in fact alive AND vader. would be waay better imo. the way they ended the 3rd was big time fan service that they would have been better off without.
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vegasstoner (01/10/2016) [-]
yeah. i mean i get why they did it. but watching them in chronological order is completely ruined by that reveal that anakin is vader.
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huntergriff ONLINE (01/10/2016) [-] >-In a way I doubt Vader really wanted to kill Luke, so he was holding back, whereas Luke was going for the kill after Vader learned of Leia and told Luke he'd try to turn her to the Dark Side, plus he learned for 3 years with Obi, ofc we don't know for sure where he was those 3 years, he could've been with Yoda or just helping the Rebels, but that's 3 years of active training
Yoda didn't come into play until 3 Aby. I think heir to the jedi and the new star wars comics explain his "training" sort of.
Yoda didn't come into play until 3 Aby. I think heir to the jedi and the new star wars comics explain his "training" sort of.
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stifflimb (01/10/2016) [-] Still before Anakin was deemed one of the best duelist, after he became Vader he should have much more training compared to Luke having 3 years or so without someone to train against even, Obi ghost would not be much and doubt Yoda did it since we never saw anything like that, he only did physical Rocky version training.
Vader should have been able to subdue him.
I'd guess at most he spent a few months with Yoda since he kept moving in and out with the rebels, also Luke learns force choke from nowhere, it's a dark side power so Yoda would not teach him that.
Vader should have been able to subdue him.
I'd guess at most he spent a few months with Yoda since he kept moving in and out with the rebels, also Luke learns force choke from nowhere, it's a dark side power so Yoda would not teach him that.
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huntergriff ONLINE (01/10/2016) [-] he showed up in 3 aby. when Empire takes place. Jedi takes place a year later.
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ohemgeezus (01/10/2016) [-] Oh **** right I got them mixed up, I always forget thanks fam
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huntergriff ONLINE (01/10/2016) [-] >-The weirdness of how blasters sometimes seem as powerful as small rpgs blasting out chunks out of wall and yet Leia gets hit in the shoulder and gets nothing more than a little burn and is fine in the evening afterwards
That one depends on the blaster. If it's chewie's crossbow, then...you ded ***** .
That one depends on the blaster. If it's chewie's crossbow, then...you ded ***** .
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huntergriff ONLINE (01/10/2016) [-] she was. but you also have to remember, she's force sensitive like her brother, she could have subconsciously used some kind of force healing thing...or most likely, she could have injected herself with bacta if you ever played Halo 3: ODST, it's...similar to the biofoam thing that was used to keep one of the ODST's from dying whenever the movie jump cuts between the space battle and the duel.
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stifflimb (01/10/2016) [-] Sensitive yes, not trained in any way, and trying to say she just did it without knowing is lazy writing if anything when they didnt's spin it on anymore from it.
Nothing showed she ever used anything like that, she sould be somewhat hurt from it, having her arm bound to keep it still but there was nothing.
Nothing showed she ever used anything like that, she sould be somewhat hurt from it, having her arm bound to keep it still but there was nothing.
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severepwner (01/10/2016) [-] A lot of that is just cinema sin level of nitpicking.
For those things, that's in the "suspension of disbelief", but those are hardly substantial evidence of bad writing.
Bad writing would be like...
-Ewoks slamming the Emperor's best legion of Stormtroopers instead of doing, literally ANYTHING else.
-Why does Yoda say that Luke's training is basically complete once he return in Episode 6? Him and Obi-wan were saying he wasn't nearly ready to take on Vader when he left Dagobah in Episode 5, when he returns Obi-wan and Yoda are both like "Yeah you're good." Why couldn't he have developed more to really get him to that master status?
-Just the entire Jabba's Palace arc of Episode 6. I just hate it. The only thing I liked, was Leia in a bikini. Everything about it was awkward, cringey, disturbing, gross, and so ******* boring. I just hate it.
For those things, that's in the "suspension of disbelief", but those are hardly substantial evidence of bad writing.
Bad writing would be like...
-Ewoks slamming the Emperor's best legion of Stormtroopers instead of doing, literally ANYTHING else.
-Why does Yoda say that Luke's training is basically complete once he return in Episode 6? Him and Obi-wan were saying he wasn't nearly ready to take on Vader when he left Dagobah in Episode 5, when he returns Obi-wan and Yoda are both like "Yeah you're good." Why couldn't he have developed more to really get him to that master status?
-Just the entire Jabba's Palace arc of Episode 6. I just hate it. The only thing I liked, was Leia in a bikini. Everything about it was awkward, cringey, disturbing, gross, and so ******* boring. I just hate it.
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vegasstoner (01/10/2016) [-]
on top of some plot holes and poor writing i think the characters are a lot flater in the prequels. the characters in the original movies were very likeable, and most of them were flawed but good hearted, han and look had a lot of personality too. it made them more relatable and you feel more invested in there story because you're rooting for them. in the prequels all the characters feel so stale.
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thechosentroll (01/09/2016) [-] I don't think it's really a spinoff when it's pretty much the same thing, except they get rid of the non-pirate characters.
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thechosentroll (01/09/2016) [-] Yeah, but those were the two main characters people actually cared about. True, it was worse, but it was still pretty good in my opinion. Had its' moments and definitely felt like a Pirates of the Carribean movie.
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cisdroidcommander (01/09/2016) [-] Thats my opinion of the movie as well. Its not as good as the rest, but still enjoyable.
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cisdroidcommander (01/09/2016) [-] There is a new one coming out, but i only think Will will be returning. Havent heard anything from Keira knightley.
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stifflimb (01/09/2016) [-] Really? Thats to bad, she is some real good eyecandy in addition to being a good actress and such a big part in that universe.
If it's only gonna be Will and Jack in focus I cant help to think of Will coming to collect something from Jack while he talks him out of it and get them both to go after some lost treasure or something Jacks says will free Will from the curse while with holding some important info about it.
If it's only gonna be Will and Jack in focus I cant help to think of Will coming to collect something from Jack while he talks him out of it and get them both to go after some lost treasure or something Jacks says will free Will from the curse while with holding some important info about it.
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cisdroidcommander (01/09/2016) [-] Probably. The new bad guy will have control of ghosts so maybe thats why Will (as the new davy jones) will help Jack because it also affects him?
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thechosentroll (01/09/2016) [-] Probably. I don't really do it intentionally. I'm just an opinionated moron.
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thechosentroll (01/09/2016) [-] In that case, I'm not sure you understand what *********** is. Calling me an idiot and us arguing over something meaningless isn't *********** , it's just an internet argument. Posting stupid and completely unrelated **** is *********** .
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anon (01/09/2016) [-]
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