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imho (01/09/2016) [-]
The Muslim immigrants are turning Germany into a true rape culture in the sense that citizens are being taught that it is expected that these immigrants will commit rapes/sexual assaults. And feminists are not complaining about that for some reason
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alfonshister (01/09/2016) [-] 
>All the immigrants are Muslims
>All the immigrants are raping criminals
>Islam allowing Rape
That's what happens when you generalize.
>All the immigrants are raping criminals
>Islam allowing Rape
That's what happens when you generalize.
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theoldfritz ONLINE (01/09/2016) [-] Yes, sharia law allows rape and murder
Yes, all asylum seekers which were involved in the rape attacks are muslims
Thats what happens when you are a complete ******* moron
Yes, all asylum seekers which were involved in the rape attacks are muslims
Thats what happens when you are a complete ******* moron
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alfonshister (01/09/2016) [-] >not knowing about exmaritial-sex punishments in Islam 24:2
>not knowing that Muslims have to follow the laws of the country they live in or move to a country where they can practice their religion. 4:97
>not knowing that Islam doesn't allow anyone to be forced into a belief 2:256
>not knowing that the Qur'an contains "Pacta sunt servanda" 9:7
>being this ignorant
>spreading ignorance
>talking ****
>not knowing that Muslims have to follow the laws of the country they live in or move to a country where they can practice their religion. 4:97
>not knowing that Islam doesn't allow anyone to be forced into a belief 2:256
>not knowing that the Qur'an contains "Pacta sunt servanda" 9:7
>being this ignorant
>spreading ignorance
>talking ****
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anon (01/09/2016) [-]
> Islam 24:3 ''The adulteress and the adulterer (or the fornicatress and the fornicator) — flog each one of them with a hundred stripes. And let not pity for the twain take hold of you in executing the judgment of Allah, if you believe in Allah and the Last Day. And let a party of the believers witness their punishment.''
> Ignoring the fact that Muslims are okay with raping unmarried women because Allah and Mohammed said it was okay.
''"O Allah's Apostle! We get female captives as our share of booty, and we are interested in their prices, what is your opinion about coitus interruptus?" The Prophet said, "Do you really do that? It is better for you not to do it. No soul that which Allah has destined to exist, but will surely come into existence.” (Bukhari 34:432)''
So the only reason they didn't want to rape the women is because getting them pregnant would devalue them as slaves. There is literally loads of **** in the Quran about saying it's okay to rape women.
> No, they don't have to follow the laws of the country they live in. It's well known that Muslims believe non-Muslims are not human and worth less than dirt. It is okay to kill, rape and torture non-believers until they either convert or die.
4:97 - ''Indeed, those whom the angels take [in death] while wronging themselves - [the angels] will say, "In what [condition] were you?" They will say, "We were oppressed in the land." The angels will say, "Was not the earth of Allah spacious [enough] for you to emigrate therein?" For those, their refuge is Hell - and evil it is as a destination.'' Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not." Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them" There's literally loads of this stuff.
I believe this tackles your third point as well.
Quran 9:7 How can there be for the polytheists a treaty in the sight of Allah and with His Messenger, except for those with whom you made a treaty at al-Masjid al-Haram? So as long as they are upright toward you, be upright toward them. Indeed, Allah loves the righteous [who fear Him]. Basically means Allah loves those who love him - Muslims.
Pacta Sunt Servanda only means keeping your promises under good faith until you are in a better position to resume aggression. (Islamic human Rights and International Law, Glenn L. Roberts).
Before you start with 'The Bible says similar ***** , Christians don't follow those parts anymore, if they ever really did at all. These Muslims choose to follow the literally hundreds of passages saying that's okay to kill and rape women and non-believers.
> Ignoring the fact that Muslims are okay with raping unmarried women because Allah and Mohammed said it was okay.
''"O Allah's Apostle! We get female captives as our share of booty, and we are interested in their prices, what is your opinion about coitus interruptus?" The Prophet said, "Do you really do that? It is better for you not to do it. No soul that which Allah has destined to exist, but will surely come into existence.” (Bukhari 34:432)''
So the only reason they didn't want to rape the women is because getting them pregnant would devalue them as slaves. There is literally loads of **** in the Quran about saying it's okay to rape women.
> No, they don't have to follow the laws of the country they live in. It's well known that Muslims believe non-Muslims are not human and worth less than dirt. It is okay to kill, rape and torture non-believers until they either convert or die.
4:97 - ''Indeed, those whom the angels take [in death] while wronging themselves - [the angels] will say, "In what [condition] were you?" They will say, "We were oppressed in the land." The angels will say, "Was not the earth of Allah spacious [enough] for you to emigrate therein?" For those, their refuge is Hell - and evil it is as a destination.'' Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not." Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them" There's literally loads of this stuff.
I believe this tackles your third point as well.
Quran 9:7 How can there be for the polytheists a treaty in the sight of Allah and with His Messenger, except for those with whom you made a treaty at al-Masjid al-Haram? So as long as they are upright toward you, be upright toward them. Indeed, Allah loves the righteous [who fear Him]. Basically means Allah loves those who love him - Muslims.
Pacta Sunt Servanda only means keeping your promises under good faith until you are in a better position to resume aggression. (Islamic human Rights and International Law, Glenn L. Roberts).
Before you start with 'The Bible says similar ***** , Christians don't follow those parts anymore, if they ever really did at all. These Muslims choose to follow the literally hundreds of passages saying that's okay to kill and rape women and non-believers.
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anon (01/09/2016) [-]
Are we reading the same book, Quran?
24:3 "An adulterer fornicates either an adulteress or a female non-believer, and adulteress is fornicated by either an adulterer or a male non-believer, and it was forbidden on the believers." Basically, in the crime of adultery (the act of consensual fornication), non-believer are not even considered to be committing adultery, i.e the crime, and its punishment, can only be incurred by believers.
As for Bukhari 34:432, it is discussing the ruling of pulling-out; is it allowed or not? The answer was that you don't have to refrain from it, as whatever soul destined to be brought to this world, it will be born in this world no matter what you do. There was nothing mentioning the value being affected by pregnancy.
As for the "female captives", they are (from what I understood from the context) already slaves that belonged to the enemy. In other words, the enemy had loot that includes money and commodities. Slaves, females or males, were a commodity. They defeated an enemy and now acquired their slaves. It was nowhere implied that they "captured females", only "female captives" which were owned by the enemy as slaves.
Muslims consider non-believers as peers. Any Muslim who kills, or torture, any soul, believer or not, will have the same punishment wither said soul is a believer or not. And yes, one of things Islam fights against is Anarchy, whether in Muslim countries or otherwise. And yes, Muslims are obliged to adhere to pacts and contracts and honor their words.
4:97 is just saying that disbeliever go to hell. That's not wrong.
2:216 Muslims are peaceful, but not pacifists. If they fight you, you fight back. Fun fact, if someone tries to rob you under the threat of a weapon, you are not allowed to give them your possessions; you are supposed to fight until you fend the assailant, or you drop dead
8:12 You mean when Muslims were in a battle against a group of people who happen to be disbelievers? You think killing your enemies in battles and striking fear in them is wrong? Put in other words: You'll be fight the disbelievers. Fear will be stricken in their hearts. Destroy them.
9:7 Muslims at that time had a treaty of peace with a group of disbelievers. You have to uphold the treaty as long as they uphold their part of it. Again, isn't that how treaties work? It mostly says that Muslims are obliged to honor their treaties; to be righteous.
Hope this helps to clear things up.
24:3 "An adulterer fornicates either an adulteress or a female non-believer, and adulteress is fornicated by either an adulterer or a male non-believer, and it was forbidden on the believers." Basically, in the crime of adultery (the act of consensual fornication), non-believer are not even considered to be committing adultery, i.e the crime, and its punishment, can only be incurred by believers.
As for Bukhari 34:432, it is discussing the ruling of pulling-out; is it allowed or not? The answer was that you don't have to refrain from it, as whatever soul destined to be brought to this world, it will be born in this world no matter what you do. There was nothing mentioning the value being affected by pregnancy.
As for the "female captives", they are (from what I understood from the context) already slaves that belonged to the enemy. In other words, the enemy had loot that includes money and commodities. Slaves, females or males, were a commodity. They defeated an enemy and now acquired their slaves. It was nowhere implied that they "captured females", only "female captives" which were owned by the enemy as slaves.
Muslims consider non-believers as peers. Any Muslim who kills, or torture, any soul, believer or not, will have the same punishment wither said soul is a believer or not. And yes, one of things Islam fights against is Anarchy, whether in Muslim countries or otherwise. And yes, Muslims are obliged to adhere to pacts and contracts and honor their words.
4:97 is just saying that disbeliever go to hell. That's not wrong.
2:216 Muslims are peaceful, but not pacifists. If they fight you, you fight back. Fun fact, if someone tries to rob you under the threat of a weapon, you are not allowed to give them your possessions; you are supposed to fight until you fend the assailant, or you drop dead
8:12 You mean when Muslims were in a battle against a group of people who happen to be disbelievers? You think killing your enemies in battles and striking fear in them is wrong? Put in other words: You'll be fight the disbelievers. Fear will be stricken in their hearts. Destroy them.
9:7 Muslims at that time had a treaty of peace with a group of disbelievers. You have to uphold the treaty as long as they uphold their part of it. Again, isn't that how treaties work? It mostly says that Muslims are obliged to honor their treaties; to be righteous.
Hope this helps to clear things up.
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alfonshister (01/09/2016) [-] where on earth did you get the "unmarried women" thing from?????????
loads of citations saying it's okay to rape women - where???????
getting them pregnant devalues them - wtf?? In that case you have to supply child and mother, where the hell are you taking his stuff from?
">non-Muslims are not human and worth less than dirt, it is okay to kill rape etc"
you're just making stuff up.
I even gave you the citations "2:256" and if you actually looked around Surah 9 where you take your citations from YOU WOULD SEE verses like 9:4, where you're supposed to keep contracts or laws or wahtever you agreed on, holy hell.
You're just intently ignoring verses that contradict your point. Dude.
And when you come "but here it says to fight the nonbelievers" - YES, but in CASE OF WAR. OTHERWISE THE STUFF ABOUT KEPING CONTRACTS WOULD MAKE NO SENSE.
And that point "keep promises until you are in better position to resume agression" has no foundation, that guy is talking **** . Give me a citation from the book we're talking about, not what silly other people say.
And i don't care about the Bible, we're talking about Islam. Two wrongs donÄt make a right.
But hooooly hell, is this a copypasta? because everyone looking around for those verses MUST have stumbled upon my points and CHOSEN to ignore them, just so he could spread misinformation.
Yes, i'm rustled. I'm sorry.
loads of citations saying it's okay to rape women - where???????
getting them pregnant devalues them - wtf?? In that case you have to supply child and mother, where the hell are you taking his stuff from?
">non-Muslims are not human and worth less than dirt, it is okay to kill rape etc"
you're just making stuff up.
I even gave you the citations "2:256" and if you actually looked around Surah 9 where you take your citations from YOU WOULD SEE verses like 9:4, where you're supposed to keep contracts or laws or wahtever you agreed on, holy hell.
You're just intently ignoring verses that contradict your point. Dude.
And when you come "but here it says to fight the nonbelievers" - YES, but in CASE OF WAR. OTHERWISE THE STUFF ABOUT KEPING CONTRACTS WOULD MAKE NO SENSE.
And that point "keep promises until you are in better position to resume agression" has no foundation, that guy is talking **** . Give me a citation from the book we're talking about, not what silly other people say.
And i don't care about the Bible, we're talking about Islam. Two wrongs donÄt make a right.
But hooooly hell, is this a copypasta? because everyone looking around for those verses MUST have stumbled upon my points and CHOSEN to ignore them, just so he could spread misinformation.
Yes, i'm rustled. I'm sorry.
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theoldfritz ONLINE (01/09/2016) [-] >not knowing that Muslims have to follow the laws of the country they live in or move to a country where they can practice their religion. 4:97
well, these dont follow them
Of all the nations they choose Germany, Sweden or England.
>not knowing that Islam doesn't allow anyone to be forced into a belief 2:256
The Ottomans, Mamluks and basicly every muslim nation are heretics then
And the "converting to avoid execution, special taxes, slavery and forced militazition" is still forced.
also >4:24
Rape isnt wrong unless the man is "chaste"
well, these dont follow them
Of all the nations they choose Germany, Sweden or England.
>not knowing that Islam doesn't allow anyone to be forced into a belief 2:256
The Ottomans, Mamluks and basicly every muslim nation are heretics then
And the "converting to avoid execution, special taxes, slavery and forced militazition" is still forced.
also >4:24
Rape isnt wrong unless the man is "chaste"
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alfonshister (01/09/2016) [-] >these don't follow them
in other words, they act like non-Muslims. Islam out. Also, there never was and probably never will be anything hindering you from practicing Islam in any european country. Special laws are pretty unnecessary..
>Heretics
Muslims have to pay 2,5% taxes if they can afford it. It's to pay public stuff like infrastructures, education, public organizations and safety. Makes sense that people of other belief have to compensate for that. No slavery, no execution, no militarization.
"Rape isn't wrong unless the man is chaste"
We're not even talking about rape yet, it's just sex out of mariage. If the person isn't married, it's 70 public whiplashes, if the person is married, it can go up to the death penalty
That "chaste" thing is BS. Don't know where you got that from.
I don't want to see you spreading misinformation again.
in other words, they act like non-Muslims. Islam out. Also, there never was and probably never will be anything hindering you from practicing Islam in any european country. Special laws are pretty unnecessary..
>Heretics
Muslims have to pay 2,5% taxes if they can afford it. It's to pay public stuff like infrastructures, education, public organizations and safety. Makes sense that people of other belief have to compensate for that. No slavery, no execution, no militarization.
"Rape isn't wrong unless the man is chaste"
We're not even talking about rape yet, it's just sex out of mariage. If the person isn't married, it's 70 public whiplashes, if the person is married, it can go up to the death penalty
That "chaste" thing is BS. Don't know where you got that from.
I don't want to see you spreading misinformation again.
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theoldfritz ONLINE (01/10/2016) [-] >taqiyya
Islamic doctorine that allows to lie about islam to gain the trust of non beliverst to convert
Islamic doctorine that allows to lie about islam to gain the trust of non beliverst to convert
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alfonshister (01/10/2016) [-] That's something that only applies during war. The Shi's generalized it.
And still, that's no counterargument to what i said.
If you have any decency you should stop posting around incorrect opinions and agree that you were wrong. Let's stay reasonable.
And still, that's no counterargument to what i said.
If you have any decency you should stop posting around incorrect opinions and agree that you were wrong. Let's stay reasonable.
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theoldfritz ONLINE (01/10/2016) [-] Be gone sunni
i wont be seduced by your advanced taqiyya doctorines
jk, but still no, i wont agree that i was wrong. Islam is against rape, but the euro immigrants that commited these crimes need to be punished for that and for representing islam in that way
i wont be seduced by your advanced taqiyya doctorines
jk, but still no, i wont agree that i was wrong. Islam is against rape, but the euro immigrants that commited these crimes need to be punished for that and for representing islam in that way
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alfonshister (01/10/2016) [-] Now we have a point we all agree on.
Criminal scum that comes into Europe saying "hurr, help us, we're being terrorized" can stay the hell out, no doubt.
In my opinion every criminal "refugee" should get kicked out, and we need to check who we even let into Europe generally.
I'm not defending terrorists, i just don't want the wrong demographic to be generalized.
Criminal scum that comes into Europe saying "hurr, help us, we're being terrorized" can stay the hell out, no doubt.
In my opinion every criminal "refugee" should get kicked out, and we need to check who we even let into Europe generally.
I'm not defending terrorists, i just don't want the wrong demographic to be generalized.
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alfonshister (01/09/2016) [-] >Ad hominem
grow up. Arguments are independant from the people discussing them.
grow up. Arguments are independant from the people discussing them.
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alfonshister (01/09/2016) [-] let me check
>no arguments
>insulting
Thanks for your cultural enrichment.
>no arguments
>insulting
Thanks for your cultural enrichment.
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internetexplain (01/09/2016) [-] >ad hominem
if you consider being a muslim an insult , then yeah perhaps.
if you consider being a muslim an insult , then yeah perhaps.
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alfonshister (01/09/2016) [-] You little genius, i don't expect everyone to speak latin but bruh
Wether i'm of islamic belief or not has nothing to do with the discussion, or at least it shouldn't. Because that's talking about people
whatever. i hope you get the idea.
Wether i'm of islamic belief or not has nothing to do with the discussion, or at least it shouldn't. Because that's talking about people
whatever. i hope you get the idea.
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alfonshister (01/09/2016) [-] you care enough to reply. Close enough
have a nice eveing lad.
have a nice eveing lad.
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alfonshister (01/09/2016) [-] I think the only one butthurt around here is the guy throwing around swear words.
Go and read the comments and you'll understand that your point is wrong.
Heh. "cuck". Nice buzzword there, man.
Go and read the comments and you'll understand that your point is wrong.
Heh. "cuck". Nice buzzword there, man.
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alfonshister (01/09/2016) [-] If you looked close you would have noticed that all i was doing was draw a line between the rapist criminal scum and what makes a Muslim a Muslim
Maybe i didn't express myself clear enough.
Maybe i didn't express myself clear enough.
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imho (01/09/2016) [-]
But I don't care about that. I'm talking about how the German authority figures are responding to the large amount of rapes some of the immigrants are committing. I don't give a **** about the immigrants who are doing nothing wrong since they have nothing to do with this incident
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alfonshister (01/09/2016) [-] bruh, you litterally said "Muslim immigrants"
and that is already a generalization. There's so much trashtalk about Islam going around on FJ that i'm legitimately worried about how seriously people think this is the source of evil.
and that is already a generalization. There's so much trashtalk about Islam going around on FJ that i'm legitimately worried about how seriously people think this is the source of evil.
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alfonshister (01/09/2016) [-] And that's where i come in and show you that Islam is unrelated to all that stuff.
Apparently YOU didn't get that
Apparently YOU didn't get that
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imho (01/10/2016) [-]
i don't give a **** about your agenda to defend Islam, especially since I'm not criticizing it. My comment was about the immigrants who are Muslim and rape people, and the reaction by the German government and police service. Islam is related in the sense that the people who commit the assaults believe in Islam. That's where it ends and the fact that you are so focused on defending Islam is misguided and idiotic
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alfonshister (01/10/2016) [-] And i just tried to show you that the additional "Muslim" is wrong.
But hey, let's just try to understand the other person wrong so we can throw insults around.
whatever.
But hey, let's just try to understand the other person wrong so we can throw insults around.
whatever.
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concetrationcamp (01/09/2016) [-] **concetrationcamp used "*roll picture*"**
**concetrationcamp rolled image** well, if you like stats...18 of the 31 charged men were refugees, and 31 of 31 were muslims. How do you explain that? Or was it the fault of the german women?
**concetrationcamp rolled image** well, if you like stats...18 of the 31 charged men were refugees, and 31 of 31 were muslims. How do you explain that? Or was it the fault of the german women?
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alfonshister (01/09/2016) [-] there is a difference between
"calling yourself muslim"
and
"acting according to Islamic law"
Those people are criminal scum and don't give 2 cents about religion and deserve severe punishment.
What i'm saying is that the "Muslim" is slowly becoming a buzzword.
The women did nothing wrong.
All i'm saying is that "Muslim" isn't the right expression to use.
"calling yourself muslim"
and
"acting according to Islamic law"
Those people are criminal scum and don't give 2 cents about religion and deserve severe punishment.
What i'm saying is that the "Muslim" is slowly becoming a buzzword.
The women did nothing wrong.
All i'm saying is that "Muslim" isn't the right expression to use.
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anon (01/09/2016) [-]
I agree with you. Stop ****** generalizing.
for most people that means
>not everyone is bad=everyone is good
Merkel wanted nobel peace prize so much she ****** it up, bad.
Everybody acting like saints, but when they realize how bad it has actually gotten, they suddenly start complaining. You messed it up, you freakin deal with your **** , even if you kill them all- honestly nobody would give care. Except america. It always cares about everything.
for most people that means
>not everyone is bad=everyone is good
Merkel wanted nobel peace prize so much she ****** it up, bad.
Everybody acting like saints, but when they realize how bad it has actually gotten, they suddenly start complaining. You messed it up, you freakin deal with your **** , even if you kill them all- honestly nobody would give care. Except america. It always cares about everything.
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alfonshister (01/09/2016) [-] i might be using this expression wrong but
"Two wrongs don't make a right"
"Two wrongs don't make a right"
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fancyrikoo (01/09/2016) [-] sorry for replying as an anon, Im too lazy to log in usually, I know it's easy to flaunt my opinion under a post which stands against you, but +respect for actually taking your time to state your opinion
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alfonshister (01/09/2016) [-] It's fine man. I'm just glad to meet someone who can express his opinion so clearly and mannered like you.
WIsh you a wonderful day!
WIsh you a wonderful day!
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anon (01/09/2016) [-]
that's true, but letting it all happen won't exactly help the situation either...
I didn't red thumb you Im actually pretty open about this stuff-everybody has opinions
what I meant to say humans were never opposed to bloodshed>look at the russians
yes, I know its bad, but I meant that it might happen and if it did, most people wouldn't give a damn in a few years and it really wouldnt matter anymore
and that it doesnt matter to me either because I dont feel the impact on my own life right now.(I know its a selfish outlook on life but damn it if I feel like this I wont lie to myself about it)
I didn't red thumb you Im actually pretty open about this stuff-everybody has opinions
what I meant to say humans were never opposed to bloodshed>look at the russians
yes, I know its bad, but I meant that it might happen and if it did, most people wouldn't give a damn in a few years and it really wouldnt matter anymore
and that it doesnt matter to me either because I dont feel the impact on my own life right now.(I know its a selfish outlook on life but damn it if I feel like this I wont lie to myself about it)
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alfonshister (01/09/2016) [-] i understand, but i disagree. I think it's very important to give everyone the chance to live peacefully.
But well, that's my viewpoint. Can't really argue about that.
Have a nice evening bro!
But well, that's my viewpoint. Can't really argue about that.
Have a nice evening bro!
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itisntthetie (01/09/2016) [-] I feel bad for germany, following Sweden down a ******* cliff. god I hate this country
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scruffyguy (01/09/2016) [-]
On New Year's Eve, muslims all over europe groped and assaulted many women. In response, this bitch said this ^.
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alfonshister (01/09/2016) [-] There are pretty severe punishments for rapists and similar actions in Islam
so uhm, pretty sure that those people didn't care about religion.
so uhm, pretty sure that those people didn't care about religion.
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scruffyguy (01/09/2016) [-]
religion had very little to do with it, it was their race. so you're correct.
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alfonshister (01/09/2016) [-] There's good examples and criminals in every society. Why not just deal with them the way they are, instead of saying "they are all angels" or "they are all criminals"?
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scruffyguy (01/09/2016) [-]
Do you not understand? Different races have different behaviors. Why do you believe arabs have their women cover nearly their entire bodies from head to toe and i mean arabs from arabia, not levantines who happen to speak arabic? These behaviors dont come from nowhere.
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alfonshister (01/09/2016) [-] There's also Christians in that area who don't cover themselves.
What you're talking about is culture.
What you're talking about is culture.
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scruffyguy (01/09/2016) [-]
Culture doesnt come from nowhere lol. I'd bet the Christian "Arabs" arent exactly the same genetically as the Arab muslims, as neither are really permitted to intermarry.
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alfonshister (01/09/2016) [-] Let's not forget all the Crusaders who converted to Islam.
Whatever man. Genetics aren't as simple as you think they are. The biggest role is still played by what you're taught as child.
But hey, whatever. We#re all robots.
Whatever man. Genetics aren't as simple as you think they are. The biggest role is still played by what you're taught as child.
But hey, whatever. We#re all robots.
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scruffyguy (01/09/2016) [-]
The people teaching you have an effect on what you're taught; and the people that taught them, and the people that taught them... What you're taught is affected by the genetics of the people that taught you.
A leopard doesnt teach its children to eat grass.
A leopard doesnt teach its children to eat grass.
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alfonshister (01/09/2016) [-] I highly doubt there are "cover the women"-genes
what you'll most likely find will be for eating, sleeping and reproducing. Everything else is just a combination to enable one or more of those.
what you'll most likely find will be for eating, sleeping and reproducing. Everything else is just a combination to enable one or more of those.
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scruffyguy (01/09/2016) [-]
There's a "lay your egg in a reed warbler's nest" gene or genes in a cuckoo bird. Dont underestimate nature.
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anon (01/09/2016) [-]
There still seems to be a common theme among the migrants
and also you're wrong, Islam allows rape. Muhammad ordered his men to rape. www.thereligionofpeace.com/muhammad/myths-mu-rape.htm
and also you're wrong, Islam allows rape. Muhammad ordered his men to rape. www.thereligionofpeace.com/muhammad/myths-mu-rape.htm
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alfonshister (01/09/2016) [-] I already saw tons of people citating that page.
I can't check on their citations or translations from books i don't have, but i was able to check on the Qur'an stuff they had
And that's just blatant misinformation. Straight-out ignoring the context of verses, ignoring other verses that wold contradict their misinterpretation and even cutting out passages that don't fit into what they want to make you believe.
I refuse to take a site seriously that only strives to preach its ideology instead of the objective truth.
About that rape stuff. The only allowed intercourse is between you and who you are married to or if you own someone.
But considering slavery is long gone it's just the first point.
The punishment for having ex-maritial sex of course, you need proof is either 70 public whiplashes or the death penality when some other conditions are met.
If you want i can give you actual citations.
I can't check on their citations or translations from books i don't have, but i was able to check on the Qur'an stuff they had
And that's just blatant misinformation. Straight-out ignoring the context of verses, ignoring other verses that wold contradict their misinterpretation and even cutting out passages that don't fit into what they want to make you believe.
I refuse to take a site seriously that only strives to preach its ideology instead of the objective truth.
About that rape stuff. The only allowed intercourse is between you and who you are married to or if you own someone.
But considering slavery is long gone it's just the first point.
The punishment for having ex-maritial sex of course, you need proof is either 70 public whiplashes or the death penality when some other conditions are met.
If you want i can give you actual citations.
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alfonshister (01/09/2016) [-] just call schnizel. we already had a discussion about that site. It was a pretty exhausting hour of looking up numbers of pages, verses and citations.
But hey, at least you're proving your moral superiority by trying to be insultive. Props for that!
But hey, at least you're proving your moral superiority by trying to be insultive. Props for that!
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anon (01/09/2016) [-]
www.answeringmuslims.com/2014/02/does-islam-allow-muslims-to-rape-female.html
wikiislam.net/wiki/Rape_in_Islam
still not seeing your supposedly awesome sources
wikiislam.net/wiki/Rape_in_Islam
still not seeing your supposedly awesome sources
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alfonshister (01/09/2016) [-] 24:2 .
If men were allowed to have sey with anything, having a rule about ex-maritial coitus seems pretty silly, doesn't it?
If men were allowed to have sey with anything, having a rule about ex-maritial coitus seems pretty silly, doesn't it?
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jonnyfrosty (01/09/2016) [-] So, the Quran contradicts itself? Great to know. What really matters is what Muslims over the world prefer, and somehow, only some western muslims are speaking like you do. It doesnt even really matter If rape is legitimized or not, but If the Djihad is. And what about the Sharia? Isnt a girl supposed to be stoned to death for being raped?
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alfonshister (01/09/2016) [-] Taking it so that you force a contradiction. Veerrry clever
And you use that word "Djihad". It has two meanings: the bigger Djihad, meaning that you don't do wrong, even when nobody is around you or could prove anything, obeying god's law even when alone.
And the smaller Djihad. In case of war, don't be a coward when your country needs you.
Every other definition, translating it as "Holy War" or saying that Muslims should kill non-beievers, is total BS and attention-bait. Thta expression doesn't even exist in arabic, "Holy War" is a western invention.
Why should a woman be punished for something she didn't do wrong? And if you're referring to what Sudi Arabia does, those guys are power-hungry dictators who don' care about being religiously correct. You know the stories about their escapades in their private-jets and drinking-constests in the West.
Don't define Islam by the people who don't care about its laws.
Und hey, hallo. Schön dich wieder zu sehen!
And you use that word "Djihad". It has two meanings: the bigger Djihad, meaning that you don't do wrong, even when nobody is around you or could prove anything, obeying god's law even when alone.
And the smaller Djihad. In case of war, don't be a coward when your country needs you.
Every other definition, translating it as "Holy War" or saying that Muslims should kill non-beievers, is total BS and attention-bait. Thta expression doesn't even exist in arabic, "Holy War" is a western invention.
Why should a woman be punished for something she didn't do wrong? And if you're referring to what Sudi Arabia does, those guys are power-hungry dictators who don' care about being religiously correct. You know the stories about their escapades in their private-jets and drinking-constests in the West.
Don't define Islam by the people who don't care about its laws.
Und hey, hallo. Schön dich wieder zu sehen!
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jonnyfrosty (01/09/2016) [-] Tja, der Kontext könnte ein besserer sein, trotzdem auch guten Abend
Ich habe nicht das Gefühl dass ich irgendetwas erzwungen habe. Der Koran widerspricht sich nun einmal an mehreren Stellen, so ist das eben.
> www.answeringmuslims.com/2014/02/does-islam-allow-muslims-to-rape-female.html
Stimmt es etwa nicht was der nette Herr da sagt?
Was ist mit dem Wahabismus, der von Saudi-Arabien ausgeht, Ausschweifungen des Königshauses spielen da keine Rolle.
Wenn sich viele Muslime nun mal nicht an deinen, sondern an anderen Koranverses orientieren, wer hat denn dann recht? Viele Muslime sind der Meinung, dass der verwestliche Moslem, gar nicht als richtiger Moslem zu werten ist.
Stimmt es nicht, dass der Islam vor allem durch Eroberungsfeldzüge im Nordafrikanischen Raum durchgesetzt wurde? Nordafrika war schließlich in erster Linie Christen, und diese Christen sind nicht alle einfach so konvertiert oder Simsalabim verschwunden.
Was nützen irgendwelche Regeln die im Koran aufgeführt werden, an anderer Stelle wieder widerrufen werden, und an die sich der Großteil der Moslems sowieso nicht orientiert?
Der Islam ist nur ein System (das nun einmal mittelalterlich und, ja, manche würden sagen faschistisch ist). Es geht darum wie Muslime handeln. Eigentlich ist es irrelevant ob der Islam dies ist oder jenes sei oder sonst was. Wenn die Islamische Kultur nun einmal schädlich ist, gibt es da nichts zu rütteln
Ich habe nicht das Gefühl dass ich irgendetwas erzwungen habe. Der Koran widerspricht sich nun einmal an mehreren Stellen, so ist das eben.
> www.answeringmuslims.com/2014/02/does-islam-allow-muslims-to-rape-female.html
Stimmt es etwa nicht was der nette Herr da sagt?
Was ist mit dem Wahabismus, der von Saudi-Arabien ausgeht, Ausschweifungen des Königshauses spielen da keine Rolle.
Wenn sich viele Muslime nun mal nicht an deinen, sondern an anderen Koranverses orientieren, wer hat denn dann recht? Viele Muslime sind der Meinung, dass der verwestliche Moslem, gar nicht als richtiger Moslem zu werten ist.
Stimmt es nicht, dass der Islam vor allem durch Eroberungsfeldzüge im Nordafrikanischen Raum durchgesetzt wurde? Nordafrika war schließlich in erster Linie Christen, und diese Christen sind nicht alle einfach so konvertiert oder Simsalabim verschwunden.
Was nützen irgendwelche Regeln die im Koran aufgeführt werden, an anderer Stelle wieder widerrufen werden, und an die sich der Großteil der Moslems sowieso nicht orientiert?
Der Islam ist nur ein System (das nun einmal mittelalterlich und, ja, manche würden sagen faschistisch ist). Es geht darum wie Muslime handeln. Eigentlich ist es irrelevant ob der Islam dies ist oder jenes sei oder sonst was. Wenn die Islamische Kultur nun einmal schädlich ist, gibt es da nichts zu rütteln
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alfonshister (01/09/2016) [-] Ich hab heut schon so viel geschrieben und mich so oft wiederholt. Irgendwann ist die Batterie leer.
Kann ich mich feige aus unserer Konersations drücken...?
Kann ich mich feige aus unserer Konersations drücken...?
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jonnyfrosty (01/09/2016) [-] Das Gefühl kenne ich, dann drück ich mal beide Augen zu. Aber ich bin nach wie vor überzeugt dass der Islam schädlich und Mohammed ein falscher Prophet und Verbecher ist, bis mir das Gegenteil bewiesen wird (wobei ich bezweifle dass das möglich ist, aber gut, ist ja schließlich auch der Kern meiner Meinung)
Machs gut
Machs gut
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alfonshister (01/09/2016) [-] that wiki page is pretty ridiculous. "Huris" are "partners" for both men and women, so much to the credibility of Wikipedia, but whatever.
Also, i'm not here to watch TV, write what you ahve to say instead of linking to walls of text.
thanks.
Also, i'm not here to watch TV, write what you ahve to say instead of linking to walls of text.
thanks.
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anon (01/09/2016) [-]
and you seriously believe slavery doesn't exist anymore? according to who? are you the supreme judge of this?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contemporary_slavery
www.endslaverynow.org/learn/slavery-today
you're a ******* moron
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contemporary_slavery
www.endslaverynow.org/learn/slavery-today
you're a ******* moron
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alfonshister (01/09/2016) [-] Hey, more insults! At this rate you'll win this argument in a jiffy!
Slavery is today isn't culturally accepted as it was several centuries ago.
However, i doubt that partying people in Cologne count as slaves, let alone their own, hurr durr.
Chill down man. We're trying to shed some light on an issue, why insult each other?
Slavery is today isn't culturally accepted as it was several centuries ago.
However, i doubt that partying people in Cologne count as slaves, let alone their own, hurr durr.
Chill down man. We're trying to shed some light on an issue, why insult each other?
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anon (01/09/2016) [-]
"Slavery is today isn't culturally accepted as it was several centuries ago."
Only in westernized countries, i'm willing to bet.
Why am I throwing insults? because i'm quite angry. Why am I angry?
Because i'm an immigrant. I came to this country, accepted the culture, and my family began working here and we influenced the culture peacefully and it influenced us.
These migrants are the opposite. They're arrogant assholes, they have a backwards culture, and the progressives which actually push regressive policies are forcing some sort of "cultural diversity" which is really just a way to **** over the people for the sake of a few big businesses. I'd be more okay with the migrants if they weren't violent subhuman garbage.
and like, okay, let's say you're totally right and it isn't Islam. What does the violence come from then? genetics? that would be even worse. their culture? that's arguably just as bad as Islam, because a religion is a component of culture.
are you going to go the route and say that most of them are peaceful? I'd respond immediately by saying we don't have accurate numbers of that, since many of them have been running through borders undetected.
and let's say that you're right about even that. How the **** do you expect things to go when you take millions of people from one culture/country and just move them in 2 years?
we're counting down to WW3, or we're going to slowly crumble and fall apart. As soon as the euro, or the US dollar starts crashing, the world economy is going to get hit. I can imagine a lot of FJers from the other side laughing at the major country that falls first, but it's going to be like liquid **** hitting the fan. Everyone in the room will get splattered with **** .
Only in westernized countries, i'm willing to bet.
Why am I throwing insults? because i'm quite angry. Why am I angry?
Because i'm an immigrant. I came to this country, accepted the culture, and my family began working here and we influenced the culture peacefully and it influenced us.
These migrants are the opposite. They're arrogant assholes, they have a backwards culture, and the progressives which actually push regressive policies are forcing some sort of "cultural diversity" which is really just a way to **** over the people for the sake of a few big businesses. I'd be more okay with the migrants if they weren't violent subhuman garbage.
and like, okay, let's say you're totally right and it isn't Islam. What does the violence come from then? genetics? that would be even worse. their culture? that's arguably just as bad as Islam, because a religion is a component of culture.
are you going to go the route and say that most of them are peaceful? I'd respond immediately by saying we don't have accurate numbers of that, since many of them have been running through borders undetected.
and let's say that you're right about even that. How the **** do you expect things to go when you take millions of people from one culture/country and just move them in 2 years?
we're counting down to WW3, or we're going to slowly crumble and fall apart. As soon as the euro, or the US dollar starts crashing, the world economy is going to get hit. I can imagine a lot of FJers from the other side laughing at the major country that falls first, but it's going to be like liquid **** hitting the fan. Everyone in the room will get splattered with **** .
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alfonshister (01/09/2016) [-] I never wanted to imply that the poeple coming into germany are innocent angels. I jsut don't want people to hit the wrong horse of religion.
There are many violent mannerless criminals coming in, and that's what i'm worried about too.
My idea would be to have no mercy with any misbehaving immigrant and to check who's actually coming in, as far as it is possible. The western intelligences know a lot.
Anyone saying that there are only innocent sheep coming in is a delusional.
All i wanted to express is that it's not the religion and that one should be careful with generalizations.
And hey, apparently we both agree on that the politicians and media aren't representating the situation as it should be.
And i'm honestly glad to see that you're just worried about the country's future. In a heaty debate that often gets lost.
have a nice day anon!
There are many violent mannerless criminals coming in, and that's what i'm worried about too.
My idea would be to have no mercy with any misbehaving immigrant and to check who's actually coming in, as far as it is possible. The western intelligences know a lot.
Anyone saying that there are only innocent sheep coming in is a delusional.
All i wanted to express is that it's not the religion and that one should be careful with generalizations.
And hey, apparently we both agree on that the politicians and media aren't representating the situation as it should be.
And i'm honestly glad to see that you're just worried about the country's future. In a heaty debate that often gets lost.
have a nice day anon!
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anon (01/09/2016) [-]
and I feel like i'm in the ******* twilight zone. I'm like "hey, we should screen them and then let in the ones that pass the screening. We'll account for each one, and if they commit a violent crime or even misdemeanors, we'll add it to their record with a photograph and a fingerprint, then we'll deport them back."
and the government is like "lol nah, we'll swing the border wide open for several months, let them waltz right in with no accounting, very little weak scanning, we'll poorly account for any of them, and then when they commit violent crime we'll just tell our citizens to man up and deal with it."
I feel like i'm telling people to put their toe in the water and just test it to see how it works, but everyone's like "hey, let's dive in, and if it's a tar pit, oh well!"
and the government is like "lol nah, we'll swing the border wide open for several months, let them waltz right in with no accounting, very little weak scanning, we'll poorly account for any of them, and then when they commit violent crime we'll just tell our citizens to man up and deal with it."
I feel like i'm telling people to put their toe in the water and just test it to see how it works, but everyone's like "hey, let's dive in, and if it's a tar pit, oh well!"
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mossblomma (01/09/2016) [-]
Probably just "nationwide mass suicide" or something like that.
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frutus (01/09/2016) [-] feminists believe only white priviliged men can rape
immigrants don't rape, they enrich white women
the race war can't come sooner
immigrants don't rape, they enrich white women
the race war can't come sooner
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failtolawl (01/09/2016) [-] right wing conservatives believe only immigrants can rape
If a woman blames a white guy for raping her you immediately think she regretted sex and was lying
also you're a ******* idiot
If a woman blames a white guy for raping her you immediately think she regretted sex and was lying
also you're a ******* idiot
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anon (01/09/2016) [-]
There's been so many false rape accusations and inappropriate use of the word rape from them. It's become very much "Crying wolf" and is met with wariness and a much more discerning eye.
Especially when the woman falls into certain categories, including but not limited to; college student, being of a middle-high class wage bracket family and being a self-proclaimed "feminist" or "SJW".
Especially when the woman falls into certain categories, including but not limited to; college student, being of a middle-high class wage bracket family and being a self-proclaimed "feminist" or "SJW".
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thechosentroll (01/09/2016) [-] Hey, remember when Germany, France, the UK and pretty much all of west Europe was trying to tighten their immigration laws, because they were afraid east european immigrants would ruin their countries? Good times. Good times.
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scruffyguy (01/09/2016) [-]
The average man wants immigrants out. The bright man wants immigrants in. The intelligent man wants immigrants out.
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thechosentroll (01/09/2016) [-] Well, at least those guys probably aren't muslim. Unless it's non-alcoholic beer, in which case I suggest nuking Germany.
