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Boy with toy gun shot and killed by
Calif. deputies
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SANTA ROSA Calif. - Northern California sheriff' s deputies have shot and killed a
boy after repeatedly telling him to drop what turned out to be a replica assault
rifle, sheriff' s officials and family members said.
Two Sonoma County deputies on patrol saw
the boy walking with what appeared to be a
weapon Tuesday afternoon in
Santa Rosa, sheriff' s Lt. Dennis [Weary said.
The replica gun resembled an with a
black magazine cartridge and brown butt,
according to a photograph released by the
sheriff' s office. Deputies would only learn after
the shooting that it was a replica, according to
Chremy it was not clear whether it could fire
projectile; such as pellets er BBS.
Rodrigo Lopez identified the boy as his son,
Andy, to a newspaper and said the young
teen was carrying a toy gun that belonged to a
friend.
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#27 - newall
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(10/24/2013) [-]
im usually the first person to jump on police brutality. but just the same as the case in the UK of the brazilian gentleman that ran from armed metro police, after being repeatedly told to stop, and got shot, this idiot should have dropped the weapon.

I see some people saying "oh, he's a kid, he didn't know how to react to that"
i was like 10 when some taliban douchenozzles decided to take a shorcut through some towers during their 747 race or some ****.
anyway, after that, i knew you didn't say to a staffmember at an airport "hey, i've got a bomb, loljk"
if you're 13, and you dont know what to do, when a police officer aims a weapon at you, and tells you to drop your replica weapon, life's not going to get better. you're borderline retarded.

gun debate or no, this kid was an idiot. blame the police all you want, they simply did their job.
User avatar #33 to #27 - spearpwi
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(10/24/2013) [-]
I agreed with you right up until the very last sentence. There's numerous of doing a good job; none of them involve killing children.
#68 to #27 - rainyeyes
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**rainyeyes rolled a random image posted in comment #204 at Atheism vs Theism **

When I was 10 I didn't even know what was a gun.
#72 to #27 - anon id: 8847f805
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The brazilian gentleman (Jean Charles de Menezes) is a bad example, he ran along the platform because he almost missed the train, he probably didn't even know the police were following him, and the police lied about him jumping the barriers, CCTV proved they pretty much just jumped him in the carriage and shot him, no warning or anything.
#8 - anon id: e60c4a84
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(10/24/2013) [-]
Well if they just rolled up and shot him thats one thing but if they repeatdly told him to drop it and he refused to either comply or to explain then i feel no guilt in saying its his fault.
#16 to #8 - digitalmasterx
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(10/24/2013) [-]
It's his fault? its a ******* kid that doesn't know how to respond to such situation...

jesus christ, did you even read what you typed?
User avatar #19 to #16 - ssurtrebor **User deleted account**
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(10/24/2013) [-]
Even from young age, kids are taught to listen to police officers.

The police officers told him to drop the weapon. He didn't.

This is not the officers' fault.
#48 to #19 - hijokpl
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I was about to respond negatively to you but I just read the story and the boy aimed the realistic looking ak at them after they said to drop it so ya, they're pretty much justified.
User avatar #26 to #19 - ReeferTrees
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(10/24/2013) [-]
wow dude.... wow.

I will wear a necklace of your fingers and toes and make you watch as I eat your arms and legs while raping your family
User avatar #78 to #26 - majormoron
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How have you survived long enough to have that blue of a name?
#30 to #16 - hellfiazz
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(10/24/2013) [-]
A 13 year-old isn't a retard. The kid took a gun, that looks real, and after being told to put it down, he didn't.

The police cannot just assume that because he's a kid he's harmless, and the gun he holds isn't real.
#41 to #16 - alanflindt
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User avatar #1 - itsthatguyagain
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(10/24/2013) [-]
I call ********, and nothing you can say will convince me.
User avatar #3 to #2 - itsthatguyagain
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(10/24/2013) [-]
Nope.
User avatar #4 to #3 - spanishiqiustion [OP]
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(10/24/2013) [-]
k
User avatar #5 to #4 - itsthatguyagain
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(10/24/2013) [-]
I'm sorry, it's just too ****** up to believe.
#6 to #5 - iheartjackiechan
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(10/24/2013) [-]
Unfortunately, it is true.
That's how California cops work now.
Shoot first, ask questions later
User avatar #9 to #6 - dafuckisthisshit
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(10/24/2013) [-]
the kid was carrying a fake gun that looked real. officers told him to drop it, he didn't, they shot him. granted the article doesn't say if the kid made threatening gestures or not, but if an officer points a gun at you tells you to drop what appears to be a real gun, why would you not?
#10 to #9 - iheartjackiechan
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Because you're a ******* kid that is scared and confused and has police officers pointing guns at you and yelling at you.
If he didn't point the "gun" at them, they had no reason to fire on him
User avatar #14 to #10 - flemsdfer
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Well from their perspective, he is holding a real gun. It looks like a real gun, is colored like a real gun. Now somebody is holding this gun, and refuses to drop it. Clearly they are scared, and scared people do brash things. Would you like to wait and see if he shoots at you with it before you act? Maybe he won't get any shots off, maybe he'll spray it and kill a few people or maybe just wing one. Whose reflexes are better? The guy who decides when he's going to act and does so, or you, the one who has to see it, process it, and then react?

If the boy couldn't understand when the police officer tells you at gunpoint to drop your gun, to actually drop your ******* gun at age 13, he just had it coming to him. If not from the officer then something else. The deer in the headlights reaction gets you, others, or both killed in emergency situations in life.
User avatar #23 to #6 - cdsams
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What are you talking about? Cops in California are too worried about people texting and driving to actually look for actual crimes.
#24 to #23 - iheartjackiechan
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Remember that man hunt a few months ago for that cop that had been commiting crimes?
They cops in California shoot up 2 or 3 cars with people in them, without even pulling them over, because their cars vaguely resembled the car he was driving.
California cops are almost as bad as Florida cops.
User avatar #7 to #6 - itsthatguyagain
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(10/24/2013) [-]
****.
User avatar #53 - haqq
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if he's told to drop the toy gun repeatedly it's pretty much his fault. also thirteen's absolutely old enough to not be this stupid
and why the **** is he alone, walking around with a toy gun?
#55 to #53 - itsmedumbass
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#82 to #55 - haqq
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User avatar #64 to #53 - multichicken
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plus the gun looks pretty real...
#20 - pyrusd
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(10/24/2013) [-]
We don't have tasers anymore?
#59 to #20 - anon id: 1a8c7fba
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Considering a taser makes your muscles lock up, if it was a real gun and you had your finger on the trigger you could possibly start spraying once you get tazed and be unable to stop.
#77 to #20 - anon id: 9fcef27c
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Police protocol dictates that officers are allowed to use a weapon one tier greater than the assaulter. No one in their right mind would pull out a taser vs. an assault rifle. If a criminal uses fists or a blunt object, then cops use taser (although people will still bitch about the negative effects of a taser and not give two ***** that the police officer was about to have their face busted in by a bat). If a criminal has a gun, then cops (since they aren't allowed to carry bombs or ride around in tanks) use guns.
It's all about making sure the police officer remains alive so he or she can go back to work the next day.
#81 to #20 - pyrusd
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Which is fair enough, I understand and support the need for officers to stay alive but, I'm trying to picture this situation. Was the kid running down the street pointing it at people? How can an officer not sneak up and surround the kid to taze him from behind?

By no means am I trying to act like I know the whole situation and again, I'm all for an officer defending himself. But I've seen so many videos of officers ducking behind cars and hiding in buildings to wait and see what the "perp" is doing before just going all guns out and hosing someone down. So I just don't understand the situation I guess. I don't see why they'd all be guns drawn and unloading on someone who may not have even been a confirmed threat.
User avatar #70 to #20 - xdeathspawnx
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I doubt it's procedure to taser someone holding what looks like a fully automatic assault rifle.
User avatar #66 - chuckstein
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So... The moral of the story: Don't walk around at night with a replica of an automatic rifle, and if you do, when a police officer aims a gun at you and says drop it, drop it. Yeah, I'm sad this poor kid died, but lets be real, it's not really the cop's fault.
User avatar #34 - beardedtoads
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(10/24/2013) [-]
If you are a cop, and see a figure with what look like an assault rifle, you aren't going to assume it's an airsoft gun. The kid should have just dropped it when the cop told him
The cop was trying to do his job and protect people, he probably feels bad enough for shooting a kid, without all the media attention.
#38 to #34 - einherjar
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(10/24/2013) [-]
You're completely right, but sadly, if firearms weren't so common, the cop's natural reaction might be to not panic when a child waves a toy gun around...
User avatar #57 to #38 - roninneko
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Actually, I'm pretty sure that seeing LESS of something makes you more likely to react when you DO see it.
#83 to #57 - einherjar
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You might be entirely right. I'm afraid I don't know well enough. But what I know from my experience as a Norwegian citizen, a country with loads of guns but strict gun control, is that even in the very, very, very few recorded instances of police opening fire on someone who is aiming a firearm at them, they still shoot for the legs... In most cases, shots aren't fired. Just compare the incident statistics of gun killings between the various western states, and you'll find that despite being allowed guns (for safety, self-defence, whichever reason), the US has an insanely high death-by-firearm number per capita...
User avatar #84 to #83 - roninneko
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(10/26/2013) [-]
That's actually because of "excessive force" laws. Basically, here's how it goes:
>Guns are lethal weapons (designed to kill)
>Lethal weapons should only ever be used as a last resort (kill or be killed)
>Therefore: if you fire a lethal weapon, you MUST be in a situation where your only option is to kill the other person.
>If you were aiming for anything less than a lethal wound, the situation was not serious enough to warrant the gun being fired in the first place.
#85 to #84 - einherjar
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Interesting point. I see the point those laws make, yeah, but at the same time I'm happy that's not the standard in Scandinavia. Even where the situation warrants the use of a lethal weapon, they are generally used to incapacitate, rather than kill, as far as the situation safely allows.

Still, interesting point.
User avatar #86 to #85 - roninneko
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(10/27/2013) [-]
I don't agree with the law; frankly, I think shooting to kill shouldn't be the first resort. It really comes down just to ass-covering.
User avatar #63 - belt
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"assault rifle"
"high powered weapon"
"black magazine cartridge and brown butt"
Anyone else get the feeling the author has no idea what he's talking about?
User avatar #67 to #63 - taxideataxus
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That author is just one more ignormus on the long list of people in the media who have no business writing about stuff like this.
User avatar #50 - useroftheLOLZ
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So from what I have gathered, it's the police who are saying that they repeatedly told the kid to drop the airsoft gun, no one else was reportedly on the scene... Am I the only one who finds this suspicious as all hell?
User avatar #51 to #50 - mrjweezy
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well he was 13.
pretty sure hes old enough to tell when its a bad time to be holding any gun resembling object.
If he was dumb enough to keep holding around town to begin with, then I don't see any point of defending this kid
User avatar #52 to #51 - useroftheLOLZ
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No, I mean, to me it seems as if there is more to this story than what the cops are saying. If some cops are ready to shoot you, and are telling you that if you don't drop what you are carrying, that they will shoot you, then it doesn't matter how stupid or smart you are, you are going to drop what ever you are holding. What I am thinking is a cop jumped the gun, literally, and ended up killing the kid on accident, so in order to not make this a publicity stunt, the two cops agreed to fudge the report, and say that they repeatedly warned the suspect.
User avatar #58 to #52 - PTTN
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Well it's not hard to fault the police on this one. A 13 year old mexican kid walking around in Santa Rosa carrying what looks to be a high powered rifle is pretty suspicious in appearance. Santa Rosa is hispanic gang territory for La EME (The Mexican Mafia) and Nuestra Familia (NF) and believe me, 13 years old is definitely old enough to be a part of one of these gangs. It does seem like they jumped the gun a bit, but maybe it was out of panic
User avatar #56 to #52 - Anonymousplz
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(10/24/2013) [-]
Lopez... Maybe he didn't speak english?
User avatar #40 - Lintutu
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(10/24/2013) [-]
I'm not saying I disagree with what they did, but they could have at least done a non-lethal shot..