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anon (01/08/2016) [-]
I don't see whats so complicated. In countries where guns are only held by the police, and have similar economic and social structures to the united states, there is less gun crime. That is demonstrable and correct. That is the core of the argument.
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mortolife (01/09/2016) [-] And those countries also have a dramatically smaller population than the US, (until recently) a mostly homogeneous population, and don't share a border with a country boasting many illegal arms-dealers. Congrats that heavy gun control "worked" in Britain and the like, the US isn't Britain and the like, things need to be done differently here because of how different things are.
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stifflerxchong ONLINE (01/09/2016) [-] the right to own to me isn't a problem but in order to possess one you should get a ******* license&training, its just common sense.
licenses
background check for criminal record(we aint talking about car tiket here m8)
and training
having gun almost free for all over the country is crazy.
i'm from canada, i have a gun myself
i'm friend with many hunters and we all agree states laws on gun are stupid.
its to easy to get one, not control enough and way to dangerous for stupid reason
if a ******* schizophrenic can go buy a gun tomorrow morning it makes no ******* senses.
licenses
background check for criminal record(we aint talking about car tiket here m8)
and training
having gun almost free for all over the country is crazy.
i'm from canada, i have a gun myself
i'm friend with many hunters and we all agree states laws on gun are stupid.
its to easy to get one, not control enough and way to dangerous for stupid reason
if a ******* schizophrenic can go buy a gun tomorrow morning it makes no ******* senses.
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deepterror (01/08/2016) [-] Britain banned most guns and saw a significant lowering of gun crime. Gun crime. Not all crime, not violent crime, but just simply gun crime. Not only did it not have any positive effect at all on the actual crime rates, it actually worsened them, by allowing for 40% increase in violent crime. (stabbings, muggins, ect..)
This also does not even address the fact that regardless of statistics, it is inherent within my basic human rights to be able to both defend myself to a capable degree as well as my rights.
Nothing ever good comes out of giving the government a monopoly on violence.
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This also does not even address the fact that regardless of statistics, it is inherent within my basic human rights to be able to both defend myself to a capable degree as well as my rights.
Nothing ever good comes out of giving the government a monopoly on violence.
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theruinedsage (01/08/2016) [-] If you had done just a little research, you would know these numbers are complete bogus because the British definition of violent crime is much, much. wider.
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xProjectZerox (01/09/2016) [-] Yes actually, Britain includes all crimes against the person as a violent crime, any assault, any robbery, and all sexual offenses. America on the other hand only counts aggravated assault, armed robbery, murder and forced rape. Less than half of Britains numbers even involved injury.
America has significantly higher gun based deaths and 4 times the murder rate of britain.
America has significantly higher gun based deaths and 4 times the murder rate of britain.
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mortolife (01/09/2016) [-] America's population- 318.9 million
Britain's population- 64.1 million
318,900,000 / 64,100,000 = 4.97504
Looks like America's population is also nearly 5 times larger than Britain's. With the numbers adjusted to compensate for that, Britain and the US almost tied for murder rates, with Britain edging slightly ahead actually.
Britain's population- 64.1 million
318,900,000 / 64,100,000 = 4.97504
Looks like America's population is also nearly 5 times larger than Britain's. With the numbers adjusted to compensate for that, Britain and the US almost tied for murder rates, with Britain edging slightly ahead actually.
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theruinedsage (01/09/2016) [-] Considering that a bar fight counts, as opposed to being held at gunpoint, I'm gonna go with yes
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thebenders (01/08/2016) [-] Not really, its different laws for different opinions on things, like California full of liberals who hate guns so they have extremely strict laws pertaining to guns hasn't really worked out to well for them though and places Like Texas are more conservative and enjoy guns so they are more lenient. In this way all the gun hating liberals can go to Cali and all the Gun loving Conservatives can go to Texas
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penguinstampede ONLINE (01/09/2016) [-] do you mean just for gun laws or do you mean laws in general?
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fishandkids (01/09/2016) [-] So why do this woman think gun restriction means she can't have guns? Does she think she is has no idea on how to handle a gun that she couldn't prove that she can use one. You know, like you do in Japan, Austrailia, Norway and so on.
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Data ONLINE (01/09/2016) [-] Guns don't kill people, people kill people.
Why do people kill people? There are a list of reasons; revenge, anger, negative emotions and teachings... monetary gain, envy, insanity.
This all seems like a combination of mental problems that lead to murder. How would you solve this, if you ran a society?
Well, if murder was caused by mental problems, you would find a way to treat mental issues to stop it from ever happening. You would deny negative teachings from reaching the public, like the glorification of murdering your fellow man. Not things like killing for a cause, like a war, but issues like slaughtering innocence or those who oppose you for little reason. You would educate people, and teach them to resolve their confrontations through words, not violence.
If you want to test this, gather three children for an experiment. Give two of them a slingshot, while the third remains empty handed. For the first child, tell him the rules and consequences of his new toy, and to take it seriously; it's a dangerous tool if misused, and can cause serious harm. For the second child, tell him to have fun. And for the third child, tell him that slingshots can make you harm someone, and refuse to give it to him.
Generally speaking, children don't follow rules too well and have a poor sense of right and wrong, but teaching the child will result in different outcomes.
The first child will probably cause little to no trouble with his slingshot. He will shoot at trees and cans, and have lots of fun doing his own thing.
The second child probably wouldn't respond too well, and end up breaking a window or damaging property; he may even hit someone with it.
The third child may get in a fight with the other children for the weapon out of anger, and use a stick to slap one for the slingshot if they can't share.
These haven't really been tested, but using what we already know about children, we can deduce that this is a highly probable outcome from our test.
Did you hear about that new Bar that opened up, "A Murder"? It's horrible, yet scum still go there on occasion. There's four ways you can take to get there, too. Gun Road, Assault Highway, Poison Avenue, and Other Lane. Gun Road and Assault Highway are the quickest routes, while the other two aren't so much.
Well, we don't want people going to "A Murder" anymore, it's a bad place and the food sucks. But it's impossible to stop them if the roads are open to it! How are we going to combat this?
Ah, I know. Let's close down one of the roads, that'll slow 'em down, right?
**** , the blockade we put on Gun Road is useless! Turns out that you can take Smuggler Lane and get to the other side of Gun Road, ******* hell. That didn't work at all! And Assault Highway is just impossible to close, just like Poison and Other. And now, the people who live on Gun Road can't stop all of the traffic going around, it's ruining the value of their houses and people are getting hurt by it, not to mention the traffic on Assault Highway is terrible now!
Well, we can take out the blockade, and put up a tool booth and stuff... maybe that'll slow it down-nope, not at all.
Huh... if this place is so terrible, why don't we write terrible reviews about it? If we convince people not to go to "A Murder", we wont have the issue of people giving them business.
Nah, **** you! That's stupid, and it's not as fast as our cheap solutions to make lives harder for those who want to go to "A Murder". Who cares if it ruins people who live along the way? **** Gun Road, the people there are just so smug, being able to properly defend themselves!
Why do people kill people? There are a list of reasons; revenge, anger, negative emotions and teachings... monetary gain, envy, insanity.
This all seems like a combination of mental problems that lead to murder. How would you solve this, if you ran a society?
Well, if murder was caused by mental problems, you would find a way to treat mental issues to stop it from ever happening. You would deny negative teachings from reaching the public, like the glorification of murdering your fellow man. Not things like killing for a cause, like a war, but issues like slaughtering innocence or those who oppose you for little reason. You would educate people, and teach them to resolve their confrontations through words, not violence.
If you want to test this, gather three children for an experiment. Give two of them a slingshot, while the third remains empty handed. For the first child, tell him the rules and consequences of his new toy, and to take it seriously; it's a dangerous tool if misused, and can cause serious harm. For the second child, tell him to have fun. And for the third child, tell him that slingshots can make you harm someone, and refuse to give it to him.
Generally speaking, children don't follow rules too well and have a poor sense of right and wrong, but teaching the child will result in different outcomes.
The first child will probably cause little to no trouble with his slingshot. He will shoot at trees and cans, and have lots of fun doing his own thing.
The second child probably wouldn't respond too well, and end up breaking a window or damaging property; he may even hit someone with it.
The third child may get in a fight with the other children for the weapon out of anger, and use a stick to slap one for the slingshot if they can't share.
These haven't really been tested, but using what we already know about children, we can deduce that this is a highly probable outcome from our test.
Did you hear about that new Bar that opened up, "A Murder"? It's horrible, yet scum still go there on occasion. There's four ways you can take to get there, too. Gun Road, Assault Highway, Poison Avenue, and Other Lane. Gun Road and Assault Highway are the quickest routes, while the other two aren't so much.
Well, we don't want people going to "A Murder" anymore, it's a bad place and the food sucks. But it's impossible to stop them if the roads are open to it! How are we going to combat this?
Ah, I know. Let's close down one of the roads, that'll slow 'em down, right?
**** , the blockade we put on Gun Road is useless! Turns out that you can take Smuggler Lane and get to the other side of Gun Road, ******* hell. That didn't work at all! And Assault Highway is just impossible to close, just like Poison and Other. And now, the people who live on Gun Road can't stop all of the traffic going around, it's ruining the value of their houses and people are getting hurt by it, not to mention the traffic on Assault Highway is terrible now!
Well, we can take out the blockade, and put up a tool booth and stuff... maybe that'll slow it down-nope, not at all.
Huh... if this place is so terrible, why don't we write terrible reviews about it? If we convince people not to go to "A Murder", we wont have the issue of people giving them business.
Nah, **** you! That's stupid, and it's not as fast as our cheap solutions to make lives harder for those who want to go to "A Murder". Who cares if it ruins people who live along the way? **** Gun Road, the people there are just so smug, being able to properly defend themselves!
