So what, you're saying don't have sex? When you have sex, you have a high risk of getting pregnant with no way around it. No birth control, no abortions, nothing. All you're doing is increasing birthrate even more, i shouldn't have to make a life choice for wanting to have a night of fun. All you're doing is putting unneccesary pressure on people.

>When you have sex, you have a high risk of getting pregnant with no way around it.

Wait what?

>I shouldn't have to make a life choice for wanting to have a night of fun. All you're doing is putting unneccesary pressure on people.

Doesn't matter if you should or shouldn't. You do. You are biologically bound to have a shadow of this life choice looming towards you whenever you have sex. As with every other species, sex is a tool of reproduction first and foremost. People want to have it for fun? Fine in my book, that's perfectly normal and understandable. Sex is fun. But don't ******** yourself that if you call your intercourse "a night of fun" it will magically change its primary role to entertainment.

No one is putting pressure on anyone. Having a potential child is a pressure out of default for everyone who has sex. You too. No one is putting it on you except yourself - you do it whenever you choose to have sex with someone. Be aware of it. Enjoy your life, but from time to time stop and ask yourself if something is worth the risk or not. It's your own life, so make sure it won't go down the drain over a "night of fun".

My point is that if she accidentally gets pregnant, you're ****** . The fact that we CAN prevent it is great, but when theres no form of birth control or abortion, all that's gonna happen is the birthrate is gonna increase, and god knows we don't need that.

That's basically every 3rd world country atm. We certainly don't need that, indeed.

I'm all for it, so long as the government pays for abortions. I get it, this is an unpopular /pol/-like opinion but it's seriously practical. The government already funds Planned Parenthood and gives away birth control en-mass so do you really think people are gonna go for the government funded abortion repeatedly? It's not like it's a comfortable process. Once they get one, they'll head to Planned Parenthood and started using the government issued birth control of all types.

It'll save the government in the long term ********* of money helping people who would otherwise go unaborted and absolutely annihilate "rape baby" arguments AND "the poor defense".

My ex fiancé had a rape baby at 16 shortly after she "aged out" of the foster care system (this was a million years ago before people aged out at 18) and was left on the streets to raise the rape kid by herself. She wanted an abortion but couldn't afford the 400 bucks. Free government abortion would've solved the problem, but it's a political minefield. On a practical level, it's bulletproof.

I could sit here and bring up the fact that I met my ex through her rape-kid because he was a friend of mine and she was his mom but that's all anecdotal nonsense and arguments like that don't fly when you're not on Facebook and shouldn't fly anywhere. I could even bring up the fact that he has a Master's degree and isn't in and out of rehab like all his siblings, but again that's anecdotal as **** and like you said, a statistical anomaly so scarce that it's not even worth mentioning. Saying "B... But Oprah!" to hold her up as the shining example of a person who succeeded in spite of all odds is like saying "See? The system works! It works .0001384% of the time!"

It's a dumb argument. So I vote for government abortion clinics. Or at least some Anakin Skywalker thing, which might be an even better idea. Or you could has the kikes. It's not related to this argument but I also think Hitler was right and Chairman Mao was a victim of a smear campaign.

We can still do what our insincts tell us and prevent any unexpected results.

we could just sterilize everyone after collecting sperm or egg samples from them and just publicly produce and raise the children

that way we can actually control our population growth and decay and can weed out genetic defects, all while everyone still gets to live their life as they see fit within the bounds of the law of course

You want to live in Brave New World... Who wants to kive in that kind of world?

we just need to develop sentient AI who can lead us properly

No. I dont think trusting **** we make with our hands will fare any better than **** we make with our genitals. This bears thought tho.

But I want to have 3 or 4 kids that love me , and what you describe reminds me an awful lot of 1984. What happens to ********************** individuals that want to reproduce the "right" way?

some people want to **** in public, does that make it good for society?

Why are you comparing natural human reproduction to public defecation?

like how defecation produces waste that needs to be disposed of
reproduction produces lives that consume resources and can contribute to overpopulation

I can't say I've ever considered the wanted and cared-for spawn of man and woman in a first-world society to be comparable to defecation. Are you sure you don't mean the children of third-world couples? The ones who copulate in numerous amounts simply because there is nothing more to do than farm, fish, and be poor? I understand it if you're talking about people below the poverty line, but that would mean that you and I have been talking about different things.

This wouldn't be terrible if it were an option available to people (obviously people can already choose to get vasectomies and stuff). But if it were mandatory, that's a horrific human rights violation, not to mention an utterly tyrannical government overreach.

a lot of issues can be attributed to not enough resources for too many people, being able to control population growth would help to control that

granted you can't trust most/all humans to effectively oversee such a program, so we need to study true AI first that can effectively manage such a program

Even if there were a serious global overpopulation problem (there isn't), the ends do not justify the means. It is my natural individual right to decide whether or not I want to reproduce. I have to find a willing partner, obviously, but beyond that no one has the right to stop me. It doesn't matter whether the decision is made by an AI or a human.
Most of the problems attributed to overpopulation are really problems of inefficient production/distribution of resources, and even in areas where birth rates are truly unsustainable, they can be reduced through non-coercive means.

a lot of things I see both here and on the news (granted, not the best way to get a good, unbiased understanding of the state of things) has led me to believe that humans can't be trusted to be responsible with our resources or population

I don't understand what you mean.
We clearly have developed things that work. No economically developed countries that I'm aware of have problems with overpopulation, because they all either have sustainable growth rates or shrinking populations.
As for resource management, the massive decline in global poverty over the past half-century or so as well as the rapid growth in wealth and living standards in the West should be a sign that someone is doing something right with resource management.
Most of the resources we need to live are renewable or near-inexhaustible anyway. Food can be raised or grown, water can be filtered and recycled, land is extremely abundant, and air is obviously everywhere. Wood for building and such can be grown as well, while many other materials such as metal can be recycled and reused. The biggest necessity that currently comes from nonrenewable resources is energy, but improving technology will likely make clean and renewable a viable alternative to fossil fuels in the reasonably near future.

But even if humans sucked at all this, no one but humans can ever control our own resources and populations. It's simply immoral, a totally unjustified restriction of freedom. Technology should be an aid, of course, but it can never be allowed to control us.

It gives an unnecessarily enormous power to our governments for one thing, and I don't have to be a conspiracy theorist to mention that our governments haven't always been not-racist/sexist/morally wrong and they can, have, and will make corrupt decisions.
Not to mention it takes away crucial rights from a human being because procreation is the ultimate end goal of the human experience and all of our bodily functions, and it provides many people intense happiness and spirituality and peace; taking a gamble that you might be accepted for in vitro fertilization and that you're cells were properly stored doesn't truly fulfill that right.

Better to just educate the masses and provide better and more accessible birth control in the effort of preventing "accidents" for the people who can't afford it or don't want to have a kid.

It would need to be implemented by impartial AI, because we can't trust human meat-things to do it responsibly, either that or figure out a way to lobotomize people specifically for emotionless thought based solely on logic

Perhaps we should streamline the process a bit more and stick to cloning. It would save us a lot of processing power when it comes to genetic sorting.