Putin tells everyone who created ISIL
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woggles (10/11/2015) [-] You know, while I certainly believe he has plenty of flaws in his view of the world, in all of the videos Ive seen of Putin debating he seems to have some very reasonable views and opinions. He doesnt seem to be quite the completely insane world dominator that the media makes him out to be. Am I being naive to think this?
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Sethorein (10/11/2015) [-] Yes. He has effectively been in power since the collapse of the soviet union. He and his prime minister trade off every couple years. All political opposition is destroyed. All minorities in the population are treated like garbage. The rubel is worthless, the average russian is working paycheck to paycheck, and the secret police are alive and well. Let's not forget how he took Crimea and it took all of a month for the rest of the world to stop caring.
He presents unassumingly when he wants to, but don't pretend he isn't a headhunter when he feels his dominance being threatened.
He presents unassumingly when he wants to, but don't pretend he isn't a headhunter when he feels his dominance being threatened.
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selfdenyingbeggar [OP](10/12/2015) [-]
That's Us propaganda. He actually saved his country from the poverty it was in as a consequence of the USSR. He has a lot of popularity amongst people in his country and Crimea wanted to be part of Russia because they historically had been a part of, already.
Talking about global dominance and not talking about the US
Talking about global dominance and not talking about the US
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Sethorein (10/12/2015) [-] >US propaganda
It's bloody fact that he and his prime minister have been trading off on presidency since the soviet union fell. It's also apparently Indian propaganda cause I get most of my info on russia from my indian friend. Oh and your "CRIMEA WANTED TO BE CONQUERED" is ******** . They lead an armed revolution against the russian cronies who were running the country, and you think they wanted Russia to annex them? Oh and just because the US is a powermonger doesn't mean Putin isn't just as aggressive.
Get better at your job Russian Internet Defence Force.
It's bloody fact that he and his prime minister have been trading off on presidency since the soviet union fell. It's also apparently Indian propaganda cause I get most of my info on russia from my indian friend. Oh and your "CRIMEA WANTED TO BE CONQUERED" is ******** . They lead an armed revolution against the russian cronies who were running the country, and you think they wanted Russia to annex them? Oh and just because the US is a powermonger doesn't mean Putin isn't just as aggressive.
Get better at your job Russian Internet Defence Force.
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selfdenyingbeggar [OP](10/13/2015) [-]
That doesn't mean your indian friend doesn't follow US influenced media. and they did a referendum and most people voted yes on being annexed.
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Sethorein (10/13/2015) [-] And you don't think that vote was fishy? The woman who was in charge of overseeing the annexation is currently on trial for war crimes.
The fact of the matter is that Crimea has a contingent of Russian nationals yes, but they are not the majority. Putin used the contingent of Russian nationals to excuse an armed invasion of Crimea. Crimea was going to become close with the EU so he annexed it to maintain his control of their ports.
The fact of the matter is that Crimea has a contingent of Russian nationals yes, but they are not the majority. Putin used the contingent of Russian nationals to excuse an armed invasion of Crimea. Crimea was going to become close with the EU so he annexed it to maintain his control of their ports.
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actionmastermegatr (10/10/2015) [-] Most of Russia's airstrikes have been against non-ISIL rebels who are the main opponent of ISIL, regardless of the putinwank happening on the internet its important to remember that Russia is in Syria to prop up the Assad regime and protect its navel base, not to destroy ISIL.
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actionmastermegatr (10/12/2015) [-] No that's common sense, Putin is protecting its Vostok naval base since it's Russia's only access into the Mediterranean, and if Assad fell Iran would be Putin's only in the middle east.
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selfdenyingbeggar [OP](10/13/2015) [-]
ISIL is a threat to that as well. Syria's army has recovered lost territory after Russia's aistrikes. These both things prove they have been targetting ISIL
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elenalkarnur ONLINE (10/11/2015) [-] Watch the video on this page. The so-called "moderate" rebels are nearly non-existent, there's only 4 or 5 of them as admitted by a US military official.
www.rt.com/usa/318177-us-syria-training-program-questions/
www.rt.com/usa/318177-us-syria-training-program-questions/
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actionmastermegatr (10/11/2015) [-] I'm not defending the actions of groups like Nusra, the Islamic front or the FSA ect, but this isn't relevant to what I was claiming. Also do you have any other sources than the Russian propaganda channel Russia today?
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anon (10/10/2015) [-]
go find me hard evidence that what assad did prior to this conflict was anything more terrible than what happens in saudi arabia iran and israel. if you dont understand why that question is important dont even think of commenting on the current social climate in that area
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wellimnotsure ONLINE (10/10/2015) [-] They are targeting Syrian rebels regardless of who they are. And the reports that claim they are targeting one more than another are all published by American and European news agencies
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alfonshister (10/11/2015) [-] yeah well, let's keep a dictator that could torture and murder you any moment no matter wether you did something wrong or not.
Just for not belonging to his ethnic minority.
Just for not belonging to his ethnic minority.
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wellimnotsure ONLINE (10/11/2015) [-] more than 80% of Syrian's want Assad in power. Killing people isn't great, but when you're a minority maybe you should get the **** out or deal with it.
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alfonshister (10/11/2015) [-] >more than 80% want assad
i'm totally sure that the 80%+ majority of oppressed sunnis agree
i'm totally sure that the 80%+ majority of oppressed sunnis agree
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wellimnotsure ONLINE (10/11/2015) [-] You really have no idea what is going on over there do you?
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alfonshister (10/11/2015) [-] with being myself from there, having parents grew up there under 40 years of Assads, about 75% of my relatives living there and having friends and several other acquaintances from there I'M GODDAMN PRETTY SURE i know what's going on.
Don't pull numbers out of your sigmoideum
Don't pull numbers out of your sigmoideum
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wellimnotsure ONLINE (10/11/2015) [-] Yeah im gonna go ahead and poin out you're a white guy who has one of the weirdest ******* complexes ever seen
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alfonshister (10/11/2015) [-] Discussions don't work by going ad hominem bro.
Learn the basics.
Learn the basics.
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alfonshister (10/11/2015) [-] Changing subjects?
Good Job on finding another way of how to NOT discuss something correctly, my central african melanin-rich friend
Good Job on finding another way of how to NOT discuss something correctly, my central african melanin-rich friend
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wellimnotsure ONLINE (10/11/2015) [-] You are the one who literally brought up a useless "point" to an argument. You cannot be this dumb without effort
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wellimnotsure ONLINE (10/11/2015) [-] you think pretending to be Syrian would give your argument any more backing. Even if you were (which you aren't) it makes no difference you dense ******* donut.
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alfonshister (10/11/2015) [-] let's check:
>still no argument
>insulting people, that will show them! Good job!
>saying my argument is wrong. no example. no arguemtn. nothing
i'm wondering WHO the dense one is.
>still no argument
>insulting people, that will show them! Good job!
>saying my argument is wrong. no example. no arguemtn. nothing
i'm wondering WHO the dense one is.
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actionmastermegatr (10/10/2015) [-] And the reports saying they've killed hundreds of ISIL fighters are Russian news agencies (former members of Russia Today have said that anything criticising Putin or saying that the Russian air force has killed civilians is totally off limits).
www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2015/06/syria-aleppo-regime-army-assad-support-isis-marea-tlalin.html
ISIL spends most of its time fighting other rebel and kurdish groups not the Assad, Assad may have even provided them with air support to ISIL this year in Aleppo,
( www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2015/06/syria-aleppo-regime-army-assad-support-isis-marea-tlalin.html ) Assad's been using Islamist groups to deny the west any mainstream rebel group to back from the beginning, even releasing a lot of Islamist radicals from prison at the beginning of the conflict ( www.thenational.ae/world/syria/assad-regime-set-free-extremists-from-prison-to-fire-up-trouble-during-peaceful-uprising )
certainly some Russian airstrikes have hit ISIL in areas were ISIL and the Assad's forces clash but their main purpose is to keep Assad in power after he overstretched his military and Hezbollah/IRGC trying to hold far to much land.
Also non US-European news sources are claiming the few of the Russian airstrikes are aimed at ISIL
www.lebanonnews.net/index.php/sid/237479037
www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/10/isil-advances-aleppo-russia-airstrikes-151010012828079.html
Russia's number one concern in Syria has always been holding onto the Tartus navel base and that hasn't changed.
www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2015/06/syria-aleppo-regime-army-assad-support-isis-marea-tlalin.html
ISIL spends most of its time fighting other rebel and kurdish groups not the Assad, Assad may have even provided them with air support to ISIL this year in Aleppo,
( www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2015/06/syria-aleppo-regime-army-assad-support-isis-marea-tlalin.html ) Assad's been using Islamist groups to deny the west any mainstream rebel group to back from the beginning, even releasing a lot of Islamist radicals from prison at the beginning of the conflict ( www.thenational.ae/world/syria/assad-regime-set-free-extremists-from-prison-to-fire-up-trouble-during-peaceful-uprising )
certainly some Russian airstrikes have hit ISIL in areas were ISIL and the Assad's forces clash but their main purpose is to keep Assad in power after he overstretched his military and Hezbollah/IRGC trying to hold far to much land.
Also non US-European news sources are claiming the few of the Russian airstrikes are aimed at ISIL
www.lebanonnews.net/index.php/sid/237479037
www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/10/isil-advances-aleppo-russia-airstrikes-151010012828079.html
Russia's number one concern in Syria has always been holding onto the Tartus navel base and that hasn't changed.
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wellimnotsure ONLINE (10/11/2015) [-] Their concern is making sure Assad, who is the best thing for Syria among its choices right now, stays in power. You really need to think.
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heartlessrobot (10/11/2015) [-] The best thing for Syria is a new set of choices, not the same ****** ones.
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selfdenyingbeggar [OP](10/12/2015) [-]
Not everything comming out of RT is Russian propaganda. The West doesn't even need one chain to be blamed of propaganda because all ainstream media outlets are manipulated. Also, if the strikes on civilians were true, then they'd be publishing the evidence and that would completely change the picture.
while they're criticizing Russia, The US bombed a goddamn hospital so...
while they're criticizing Russia, The US bombed a goddamn hospital so...
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battletechmech ONLINE (10/11/2015) [-] This video reminds me of why everyone's pretty much correct when they say Obama is a terrible president. He didn't move us out of the middle east like he promised and he didn't handle any military campaign he authorized with any degree of success.
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battletechmech ONLINE (10/11/2015) [-] Because being wishy-washy, moving in without a plan, lying to your citizens, and avoiding the subject are definitely good ideas for being a liberal president.
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turdvang (10/11/2015) [-] Pretty sure Bush had a plan when HE moved in. All politicians lie all the time, not that Obama should be allowed to lie but compared to Putin, Obama is transparent as air. Ever wondered how Putin got a net worth of 70 Billion dollars? And also the republicans had majority in congress all the time while Obama have been president so they pretty much control the gig.
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battletechmech ONLINE (10/11/2015) [-] In terms of controlling the military Obama has full control, there is no 'war' announced by congress so congress isn't keeping obama there, I agree that Obama is transparent compared to Putin, but that's a ****** place to compare, and when a left president says he's going to undo what the right president did, and he has all the legal ways to do it, he should fuggin' do it.
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turdvang (10/11/2015) [-] congress is in charge of how much money they want to spend on military action, Obama would only have total control during wartime. But i would in now way say that Obama is a bad president compared to the people he has to deal with, Thrump is gonna have a cakewalk in comparison.
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battletechmech ONLINE (10/11/2015) [-] Not really, the house is recycled every 2 years and the senate every six, it's possible for the house to change drastically in his first term.
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elenalkarnur ONLINE (10/11/2015) [-] The whole point of TPP is to exclude Russia and China who had recently formed AIIB and NDB (Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank and New Development Bank) which are rivals of and alternatives to the US- and Western-dominated World Bank and IMF.
Don't worry, Putin isn't stupid enough to even want to be in the TPP or make equivalent free trade agreements with Russia's partners. The TPP institutionalizes the predation of the corporate class over the middle class and will in the long term lead to lower economic prosperity, not more.
Don't worry, Putin isn't stupid enough to even want to be in the TPP or make equivalent free trade agreements with Russia's partners. The TPP institutionalizes the predation of the corporate class over the middle class and will in the long term lead to lower economic prosperity, not more.
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anon (10/11/2015) [-] Oh, poor faggot me, I can't be an obnoxious faggot in publich and teach my degeneracy to children. I am so oppressed. [] All I have left in my pathetically sad life is some lame video to mocking him with, that and AIDS.
Crimea river, so sad pathetic faggot.
The countries you parasite will crumble under the weight of your infestation, and other nations will mop you up.
![Oh, poor faggot me, I can't be an obnoxious faggot in publich and teach my degeneracy to children. I am so oppressed. [] All I have left in my pathetically sad life is some lame video to mocking him with, that and AIDS.
Crimea river, so sad pathetic faggot.
The countries you parasite will crumble under the weight of your infestation, and other nations will mop you up.](http://static4.fjcdn.com/comments/Oh+poor+faggot+me+i+can+t+be+an+obnoxious+faggot+_6114d1c9877bceabbe91371c344648e4.jpg)
Crimea river, so sad pathetic faggot.
The countries you parasite will crumble under the weight of your infestation, and other nations will mop you up.
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thalex (10/11/2015) [-] No one finds it weird that Putin is the good guy riiigh after all those sanctions?
So this is definitely not a PR stunt right?
Maybe im biased..
Need a ******* visa now to visit the old folks..
So this is definitely not a PR stunt right?
Maybe im biased..
Need a ******* visa now to visit the old folks..
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ilikethisusername (10/11/2015) [-] i just think this is a war for power. there is no "good" side. it's just evil vs evil.
now i'm not saying putin is evil or anything but putin has done some bad things himself too. support assad, whos a dictator, and so on. plus, obama isn't any good person either. what putin said in that interview is true and and it should be pointed out.
but nonetheless, i just think both Putin, and Obama are just battling it out for power.
now i'm not saying putin is evil or anything but putin has done some bad things himself too. support assad, whos a dictator, and so on. plus, obama isn't any good person either. what putin said in that interview is true and and it should be pointed out.
but nonetheless, i just think both Putin, and Obama are just battling it out for power.
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ultimatebuttercup (10/11/2015) [-] I think he knows as well as many Americans that there are problems with our Government and how it functions. Now he said a lot of stuff that could ruffle some feathers, but there is a lot of reason to his response. America acts very unilaterally in many areas of the world. Now I have to say that it sometimes is needed in response to threats, but I can easily see there being repercussions that come of actions that we do, that we do not look for or plan for. I am all for nations cooperating and I honestly think the US and Russia, and pretty much all of Europe as a whole, need to be united on solving problems and action together. Idealistically it is fantastic, but politics provide differences in opinions on action and not everyone wants the same goals. The US is a thirsty nation for growth, while not bad, it is very easy to blur the lines between "spreading democracy" and imperialism. I think personally, that America's governmental structure is not functioning as it is meant to or was intended at the time of it's conception. It seems that finding politicians who have America's true interest at heart is a hard thing to come by, or is common but is never achieved with both parties sabotaging each other. Our military is an effective fighting force, but it constantly requires more money to maintain and operate. It is like we are constantly preparing for WW3 with our military. While I do understand the importance of readiness, so much money is poured into our defense budget, the US debt is astounding. So much money is shuffled where it doesnt need to be in this nation and the mismanagement starts at our government. From a neutral standpoint, I can see a lot of reason for Putin's position. Its not anger or rivalry, its mistrust in our actions and our leadership more than anything else. And to be honest, I think some American Citizens are with him.
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heartlessrobot (10/11/2015) [-] He's got a point, but he's hypocritical.
He sends arms and soldiers to pro-Russian rebels in Ukraine, and assists Assad, the insane dictator responsible for massive human rights violations.
The Cold War never ended, it seems.
He sends arms and soldiers to pro-Russian rebels in Ukraine, and assists Assad, the insane dictator responsible for massive human rights violations.
The Cold War never ended, it seems.
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battletechmech ONLINE (10/11/2015) [-] I figured we undermined Russia's trust when we destroyed your economy.
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draaaaiven (10/11/2015) [-]
Didn't even have to watch the video to know that putin will say "the US".
