Bukowski just wants us to strenghten our immune system by reducing hygiene and spending more time outside during bad weather. I'd be surprised if my interpretation was actually correct in some metaphorical way. Honestly, I'm just using that as an excuse to post gondolas.
rant mode: there's a post i see every so often, where it's complaining about an english teacher. paraphrasing, but it goes sorta like this. english teacher asks a question about a book the class is reading. "in the novel, the drapes are green, what does that represent?" says the english teacher. "DUUHHHHH, I DUNNNO, THE DRAPES ARE GREEN? LOL" says the student. english teacher says "erm, no, if you've been following along with the themes in the book, you know, actually reading instead of taking every sentence at face value, you'd see that..." "LOL WOW, SOMETIMES THE DRAPES ARE GREEN ASSHOLE HAHA." the classroom applauds.
i dunno. i got a boner for bukowski so im hella biased. but i take this phrase as a stab at the voyeuristic nature of people. folks would rather see a man be tackled rather than being tackled themselves, would rather be surrounded safely in violence (on the tv) rather than being caught in a hailstorm of bullets, ect. folks would rather be safely surrounded by the things that may harm them, rather than being directly in danger.
i might be hella wrong. i see some things wrong with my interpretation. but hey! that's ok. im interpreting. lotta room for error. that's the POINT. everyone should take it a bit further than just reading the sentence and trying to be clever and say "HO HA, THIS CLEARLY CANNOT BE"
As I understood it the phrase is meant to showcase how most of us are hypocrites, right?. The only thing a cold rain and a warm bath have in common is water. The situations are different. One may love to tell jokes to their friends but completely freeze in front of a large audience. It's not weird or hypocritical.
Sure it's a metaphor, but it's terribly constructed. Comparing running from rain to sitting in a bathtub is like saying "People will play in snow but run from an avalanche" expecting it to sound profound when you really just sound like a pompous asshole trying (and failing) to make a point.
Thats ******* stupid and you know it.
Of course people would rather be surrounded safely by things that are ****** , then have it constantly be flung at them in a hostile enviroment. That isn't a clever observation or insightful, thats bloody common sense, you dimwit.
******* Jesus. This obsession with being "artsy" that some idiots seem to have are driving me nuts...
Familiar with Robert Frost's "The Road Not Taken"?
"of COURSE someone is gonna have to take one path eventually. it's bloody common sense, you can't just STAND at the start of the path forever. idiots..."
or Percy Shelly's "Ozymandias"?
"oh, wow. statue in the middle of the desert eroded by time. of COURSE time is going to erode it. that's the whole bloody point. idiots..."
point is, you can simplify anything to the point where it seems " ******* stupid." but try not to, yeah? also, it seems like you're getting really mad about words. try not to be so mad friend!
But its so fun to be mad! You can fling such colorful insults at people when you're "mad"...
On a serious note, might be a sorta "work injury". I study physics, and a very large part of that, is trying to simplify very complex systems in order to make them more easily expressed. Cant be helped if I carry that tendency over into other fields, really...
I dont know "Dont judge a book by its cover"? Im not a metaphor expert im just saying he made something that has too many contradicting details to be a good metaphor, or to even be a metaphor since theres no moral to that phrase
If even someone like me can tell it doesnt make sense then yeah you dont need to be "qualified" whatever that means. Having a PhD in arts and literature?
Rain is cold, can make you sick, being drenched while clothed is extremely uncomfortable/Being a warm tub is comfortable, you are at the safety of your house, its one of the most common ways of relaxing.
See the problem here?
so you're saying that, because it doesn't make sense to you, it doesn't make sense at all?
"if even someone like me can tell it doesn't make sense..." you're making the assumption that you think it's significant that it doesn't make sense to you.
folks have no issue being safely surrounded by the things that may harm them. yet, when they are directly in danger, they run, turning their backs on what they thought was safe. a weird contradictory sort of thing.
If that was the message couldnt he have said that or chosen words that properly convey it? Its not like "Everything can be good and bad" is that of a deep concept or impossible to explain.
a big point of writing, poetry specifically, is to convey a meaning without spelling it out. are there better words? to you, there probably are.
this discussion feels like it's leaning more towards personal taste and that's fine. but when you say something like "it's an awful metaphor" that implies there are universal standards for what is good and what isn't, which i vehemently disagree with.
This is like comparing being hugged or embraced to be poked hundreds of times again and again. Same medium, different surface area... ******* Bukowski...
"Context is everything:
the most binding interior labor
in
trying to make it
under a sanctified
banner.
similarity of intention
with others
marks the fool from the
explorer
you can learn this at any poolhall, racetrack, bar
university or
jail.
people run from rain but
sit
in bathtubs full of
water-
it is fairly dismal to know that
millions of people are worried about the hydrogen bomb
yet
they are already
dead.
yet they keep trying to make
women
money
sense but fail in these 3
and more, plus 9 ways across
10 over
multiplied by 14
plus 101.
all the apples that will fall to the ground
in the state of Washington in 1975
like the tears of sad whores.
and the Great Bartender will lean forward
white and pure and strong and mystic
to tell you that you've had
enough
just when you feel like
you're getting
started.
86'd - Charles Bukowski
It's easy to mock something you know nothing about. "
The point is context is everything. I hate getting caught in the rain on the way to class, but **** it I love a walk in the rain just to relax sometimes.
Last time this was posted another user made a point that Bukowski wasn't saying this to be profound and the quote is taken out of context.
Apparently (I haven't read Bukowski) he was making basically the same point as the snarky tumblrette. That "in both scenarios you're getting wet" isn't enough to make a good comparison between them.