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Just thought I'd point out a couple of differences between my experience and the post here.
1) I always take a long gun (shotgun and/or rifle) and a heavy vest with me. Those things stay in my car unless I'm going to a call where I might need them. I take out the long gun on any call where there is credible information that the suspect has a gun, and I put on the vest if there's a good chance the suspect has a rifle (regular body armor does not protect against rifle rounds).
2) Most cops I know aren't rude, they're just very direct. We have a job to do, and while part of our job is helping mediate disputes, we frankly don't care that you're arguing with your neighbor over where he places his garbage cans, or other petty complaints. Why? Because (a) you're both grown ups and should be able to figure out a solution without us and (b) while I'm helping you learn a lesson you should have figured out in kindergarten, I'm not on the street looking for the actual criminals so they don't murder you, rape your kids, etc. So, yes, we're going to be direct and to the point so we can solve your problem, make you reconsider calling us for stupid stuff, and get back to hunting evil-doers as quickly as possible.
3) The seatbelt one gets me. Sure, it's your business if you don't want to wear one. But it's my business, too because I'm the one that has to tell your family that you died. I also have to shut down the road and do a huge investigation, using up hundreds of man-hours worth of resources and inconveniencing countless people who will now be stuck in traffic. And, if there's anybody else in the car with you, you are a safety hazard to them. Ever seen what happens to an unrestrained person during a roll-over? If there's anybody else in the car with you, your body will bludgeon them until the car stops or you get ejected.
4) You touched on a lot of really good use of force issues. Here in the US, we don't shoot to kill, we "shoot to stop the threat." Frequently, the threat stops when they are dead, but our intent isn't to "kill," as that would make us executioners. Our intent is to "stop the person's immediately violent actions." There are three ways a person can be stopped when shot:
(a) psychological-- the pain/ fear caused by the wound
(b) neurological-- the brain/spine is damaged, causing immediate unconsciousness or paralysis
c) hemorrhagic-- the blood vessels are ruptured, causing massive bleeding, leading to unconsciousness.
We usually aim center of mass to accomplish this because all three types of stops overlap in this area.
On top of all this, in the US, six out of seven people who are shot with a handgun survive. So getting shot by a cop is not an automatic death.
5) Some jurisdictions have quotas, from what I've been told. However, in my state (California), quotas are illegal. Our bosses do ask us to bring in a few tickets, depending on how busy we are, and we have areas and violations that we focus our attention on. These are usually associated with high instances of traffic collisions and/or citizen complaints, all of which are tracked in our stats system.
Thanks again, bro. Good stuff here. Keep it up!
1) I always take a long gun (shotgun and/or rifle) and a heavy vest with me. Those things stay in my car unless I'm going to a call where I might need them. I take out the long gun on any call where there is credible information that the suspect has a gun, and I put on the vest if there's a good chance the suspect has a rifle (regular body armor does not protect against rifle rounds).
2) Most cops I know aren't rude, they're just very direct. We have a job to do, and while part of our job is helping mediate disputes, we frankly don't care that you're arguing with your neighbor over where he places his garbage cans, or other petty complaints. Why? Because (a) you're both grown ups and should be able to figure out a solution without us and (b) while I'm helping you learn a lesson you should have figured out in kindergarten, I'm not on the street looking for the actual criminals so they don't murder you, rape your kids, etc. So, yes, we're going to be direct and to the point so we can solve your problem, make you reconsider calling us for stupid stuff, and get back to hunting evil-doers as quickly as possible.
3) The seatbelt one gets me. Sure, it's your business if you don't want to wear one. But it's my business, too because I'm the one that has to tell your family that you died. I also have to shut down the road and do a huge investigation, using up hundreds of man-hours worth of resources and inconveniencing countless people who will now be stuck in traffic. And, if there's anybody else in the car with you, you are a safety hazard to them. Ever seen what happens to an unrestrained person during a roll-over? If there's anybody else in the car with you, your body will bludgeon them until the car stops or you get ejected.
4) You touched on a lot of really good use of force issues. Here in the US, we don't shoot to kill, we "shoot to stop the threat." Frequently, the threat stops when they are dead, but our intent isn't to "kill," as that would make us executioners. Our intent is to "stop the person's immediately violent actions." There are three ways a person can be stopped when shot:
(a) psychological-- the pain/ fear caused by the wound
(b) neurological-- the brain/spine is damaged, causing immediate unconsciousness or paralysis
c) hemorrhagic-- the blood vessels are ruptured, causing massive bleeding, leading to unconsciousness.
We usually aim center of mass to accomplish this because all three types of stops overlap in this area.
On top of all this, in the US, six out of seven people who are shot with a handgun survive. So getting shot by a cop is not an automatic death.
5) Some jurisdictions have quotas, from what I've been told. However, in my state (California), quotas are illegal. Our bosses do ask us to bring in a few tickets, depending on how busy we are, and we have areas and violations that we focus our attention on. These are usually associated with high instances of traffic collisions and/or citizen complaints, all of which are tracked in our stats system.
Thanks again, bro. Good stuff here. Keep it up!
Nope. ;-)
I work in a major city in California. Sorry, I don't want to say exactly where I work for reasons of privacy.
I work in a major city in California. Sorry, I don't want to say exactly where I work for reasons of privacy.
>seat belts
and how many man-hours are wasted making sure people wear their seat belts?
how many people are inconvenienced when they get pulled over
>rollover
except the law applies to people who are alone in their cars as well
and how many man-hours are wasted making sure people wear their seat belts?
how many people are inconvenienced when they get pulled over
>rollover
except the law applies to people who are alone in their cars as well
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policexplain (07/02/2015) [-]
See the difference? I consider it a waste to shut down traffic while I investigate your death. You consider it a waste for me to make sure you don't die in a completely preventable way. Also, it's not just death. If your'e not wearing a seat belt, you're more likely to get seriously injured in a collision that wouldn't do much to you if you'd been belted.
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policexplain (07/02/2015) [-]
Not "property of the US Government."
'The US Government' is made up of people. It's not some shadow organization, run by conspirators who rub their hands together in a dark room, it's you, me, our neighbors, the guy down the street. When you crash your motorcycle or car and you get mutilated, end up in a coma, become permanently disabled, or ******* die because you weren't wearing a helmet or a seatbelt, it ties up cops and firefighters and paramedics and doctors and hundreds of other people who now have to do a lot of work to try to save you, rehabilitate you, or bury you. Then I have to go explain it to your family.
So people enacted laws that require you to wear a seat belt and a helmet. People did that because they were tired of hearing that their loved ones were crippled or killed in completely preventable ways.
'The US Government' is made up of people. It's not some shadow organization, run by conspirators who rub their hands together in a dark room, it's you, me, our neighbors, the guy down the street. When you crash your motorcycle or car and you get mutilated, end up in a coma, become permanently disabled, or ******* die because you weren't wearing a helmet or a seatbelt, it ties up cops and firefighters and paramedics and doctors and hundreds of other people who now have to do a lot of work to try to save you, rehabilitate you, or bury you. Then I have to go explain it to your family.
So people enacted laws that require you to wear a seat belt and a helmet. People did that because they were tired of hearing that their loved ones were crippled or killed in completely preventable ways.
you one person is the property of other people then
how is that different
how is that different
"Property" implies ownership, a hierarchical relationship. Property gets nothing in return from its owner. So, no, I'm not talking about property. I'm talking about a collective, a community, a mutually beneficial society where everybody contributes in some way and benefits in other ways.
"Anyone who cannot form a community with others, or who does not need to because he is self-sufficient, is no part of a polis - he is either a beast or a god." -Aristotle.
What you and many others with your views forget is that you are not self-sufficient. You are neither a beast, nor a god. You're part of a huge network of other people that are making your life and comfort possible and your actions directly affect the other people in that network, whether or not you've ever met them or even know of their existence.
"Anyone who cannot form a community with others, or who does not need to because he is self-sufficient, is no part of a polis - he is either a beast or a god." -Aristotle.
What you and many others with your views forget is that you are not self-sufficient. You are neither a beast, nor a god. You're part of a huge network of other people that are making your life and comfort possible and your actions directly affect the other people in that network, whether or not you've ever met them or even know of their existence.
How about you just wear your damn seatbelt? Or are you so busy that the two seconds to put the thing on isn't worth it?
I'm all for wearing seat belts
I am against the law that says people are not in charge of their own lives
I am against the law that says people are not in charge of their own lives
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anon (07/04/2015) [-]
Funny thing about that law. If you put the seat belt on, you... and this is the kick, don't even ******* have to worry about it. You're seriously debating a law designed to save YOUR life and the lives of others?
Ya know what, at this point I think you're just a ******* idiot. I don't even understand WHY you care so much unless you have been pulled over repeatedly before for not wearing a seat belt.
Ya know what, at this point I think you're just a ******* idiot. I don't even understand WHY you care so much unless you have been pulled over repeatedly before for not wearing a seat belt.

