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Police misconceptions comp. "The police are militarizing to keep us under control" I'll tackle this one first because it's a big one in the news and i

"The police are militarizing to keep us under control"
I'll tackle this one first because it's a big one in the news and in anti-government blogs. People who don't understand weapons or tactical equipment get scared at the sight of boys in blue wearing big armour and toting heavy guns.

The truth is police do not carry these weapons. Tactical officers do, that's your SWAT your ERT your SRT, with the exception of road sergeants carrying shotguns or carbines in their vehicles. BUT in this day and age that equipment is necessary. Nobody needs to pour powder down a barrel to shoot you anymore, and anybody can get their hands on guns if they need them. If an officer approaches a house and is met by automatic fire he has no chance with a standard issue handgun. You need to be able to match the suspects level of force if you hope to take him down safely. Hollywood isn't real, cops don't go on Bruce Willis manhunts through buildings hunting bad guys with a handgun.

The black body armour and big black guns might be scary but it's there to help protect the officers that are there to protect you.


Police misconceptions comp. "The police are militarizing to keep us under control" I'll tackle this one first because it's a big one in the news and i

"Cops are all rude and mean"
This is one of the sad realities of policing. It is a job that wears out your temperance to a fine thread. You have to realize that the officer you are dealing with doesn't just deal with you. He/she has dealt with hundreds of people before you majority of which were yelling or swearing at them. Eventually they just stop trying to be nice to people because they realize nobody is going to have anything nice to say to them.

On top of that they respond daily to traumatic instances that will linger in their mind forever. They see all the evil in the world that you at home are hidden from. They see small children crushed in cars from drunk driving collisions. They see homes torn apart from abusive parents or spouses. They see pedophiles and child molesters that have accumulated home videos of children they've kidnapped.

And it sure doesn't help to be working shifts 5 to 5 everyday. By the end of the day you're a zombie that just wants to hit the pillow, you don't want some jack off telling you all about how much of an asshole you are.

It's a tough job to handle psychologically, sure they should be mentally prepared for it going in but there's a certain level you can't prepare for. So just keep in mind when you get pulled over the officer you're dealing with has likely seen some **** so don't be offended when they aren't nice or polite. It is just how society has conditioned them through their career.


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Police misconceptions comp. "The police are militarizing to keep us under control" I'll tackle this one first because it's a big one in the news and i

"Wearing my seat belt is none of the police's business, why should I get a ticket?"
I'll tell you why, because police are there to protect the community. They are public servants tasked with keeping everyone safe. You not wearing your seat belt is a danger to yourself and therefore makes you NOT SAFE. That makes it the police's business. If you're flying down the highway and you lose control you're either going to wish a cop told you to put your seat belt on or thank the officer that did. Seat belts take 2 seconds to put on, don't be an idiot because cops don't like picking your pieces off of the road.

Why do you get a ticket though? Because its deterrence, if police issued a regulation to enforce seat belts with no punishment nobody would listen to it.


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Police misconceptions comp. "The police are militarizing to keep us under control" I'll tackle this one first because it's a big one in the news and i

"The cops didn't have to shoot him, they carry tasers"
Another argument made by people who don't understand weapons or equipment. They've watched movies where tasers are deployed and the bad guy is down and out.

No.

Tasers are designed to temporarily immobilize a suspect. It works by firing two pins out of a cartridge. The pins are connected to the taser by wires that conduct a shock. For the taser to work successfully both pins need to make contact with the suspects skin, if it catches in his jacket or his shirt it's useless. Once they connect both pins need to be far enough away from each other that they can effect a large muscle grouping. If the pins land too close together the shock will be minimized and may not work. Finally your suspect needs to fit the right physical category for the taser to be effective. Sometimes it's impossible to tell who can take it and who can't. Sometimes you hit them with the taser perfectly and it does nothing.

In addition to the unreliability of the taser, it has one shot. One shot before needing to be reloaded. You fire that shot into a suspect with a knife you better hope to god it hits him because that guy is coming at you with the force of 1000 suns.

The firearm is the only reliable way to subdue a suspect safely. If the suspect has chosen to act aggressively with an officer then he can expect to be met with aggression. Tasers are unreliable and should never be used in potentially fatal situations.


Police misconceptions comp. "The police are militarizing to keep us under control" I'll tackle this one first because it's a big one in the news and i

"Just shoot the guy in the leg, that will stop him"
It might, maybe. But are you willing to take the chance in a potentially fatal scenario? Officers are trained to shoot for the center of mass. They are shooting to kill their target. Nobody intends to shoot to wound someone that stuff is from movies. If an officer draws his gun it means he feels his life or the life of people around him is threatened. He will not give you a warning shot, the gun is used to kill.

I'm not sure how many of you have actually fired a handgun outside of a video game, but it's not easy. It takes practice before you can start hitting small targets. If you open fire on a center of mass you are still likely to miss a few shots, now size that down to a leg. An individual moving around in a high stress situation, you're not going to hit his leg and if you miss he's going to try and stop you from shooting again.

Finally, police use what is called a "use of force model" to decide how to respond to a situation. The wording is if a person is attempting, committing, or capable of causing grievous bodily harm or death you are to respond with LETHAL FORCE. Not shoot for leg force, not ask him to talk about his feelings force, lethal.

Policing is not like movies, it never will be. Don't gather your opinions from there.


Police misconceptions comp. "The police are militarizing to keep us under control" I'll tackle this one first because it's a big one in the news and i

"Cops have quotas"
Sort of true, but not really. Police officers (in Canada at least) do not have physical quotas they need to fill. Expecting a quota from your officers automatically implies that the public are committing traffic offenses, which really isn't fair. The staff sergeant will not give an officer a number to fill by the end of the month, but they do expect officers to get work done.

Staff sergeants are like managers. They like to see their staff working and being productive. So when you report back to them you should have a decent list of things that you've done for the day. If you were running service calls all day then your staff sergeant won't expect tickets, but if you haven't responded to many calls and have no tickets he's going to wonder what you were doing all day.

The quota isn't a physical thing, it's just a term for proving to your boss you're doing your job. HOWEVER, some services in the US may use quotas. They do things a little differently down there.


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Police misconceptions comp. "The police are militarizing to keep us under control" I'll tackle this one first because it's a big one in the news and i

"Police force"
It's a little thing but I thought I'd point it out. They used to call it a police force, back when policing was reactive. Police officers were against the public in place to keep everyone in line, hence FORCE. They were a force against crime. Also the name just sounds aggressive. Now policing has evolved, it is not longer reactive but proactive. Police are now in place to not only handle crime but prevent it. The term has since been changed to "police service"


Police misconceptions comp. "The police are militarizing to keep us under control" I'll tackle this one first because it's a big one in the news and i

"You wrote my name wrong on the ticket, I don't have to pay"
Everything on a ticket can be amended in court. The officer simply needs to inform the judge that the information is wrong and the judge will change it. Can't get out of a ticket that easy.


Police misconceptions comp. "The police are militarizing to keep us under control" I'll tackle this one first because it's a big one in the news and i

"Police are corrupt"
That's a goddamn broad statement. Believe it or not most officers out there today are doing what they do because they believe in keeping people safe. But yes, there are some that overstep their power and become indulged in their authority. But what can you do? Every single profession on this planet has corruption in some form, there is no way to weed out the bad eggs until they show themselves. So just relax, the good officers of your community are just as annoyed as you are that bad cops exist.


Police misconceptions comp. "The police are militarizing to keep us under control" I'll tackle this one first because it's a big one in the news and i

"Police target black people"
It's been massive in today's media, white cops killing black people. But it's just not true, most services today have heavy affirmative action to encourage different ethnicity and sexual orientations to swear in.
Police don't "target" anybody except for people involved in situations that require police.


Police misconceptions comp. "The police are militarizing to keep us under control" I'll tackle this one first because it's a big one in the news and i

This list could probably go on forever so I'll stop it here. Thanks for taking a look at this stuff and if you want me to keep this up let me know. Maybe give me suggestions on what common problems with cops I should cover.

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User avatar #11 - policexplain (07/02/2015) [-]
Just thought I'd point out a couple of differences between my experience and the post here.

1) I always take a long gun (shotgun and/or rifle) and a heavy vest with me. Those things stay in my car unless I'm going to a call where I might need them. I take out the long gun on any call where there is credible information that the suspect has a gun, and I put on the vest if there's a good chance the suspect has a rifle (regular body armor does not protect against rifle rounds).

2) Most cops I know aren't rude, they're just very direct. We have a job to do, and while part of our job is helping mediate disputes, we frankly don't care that you're arguing with your neighbor over where he places his garbage cans, or other petty complaints. Why? Because (a) you're both grown ups and should be able to figure out a solution without us and (b) while I'm helping you learn a lesson you should have figured out in kindergarten, I'm not on the street looking for the actual criminals so they don't murder you, rape your kids, etc. So, yes, we're going to be direct and to the point so we can solve your problem, make you reconsider calling us for stupid stuff, and get back to hunting evil-doers as quickly as possible.

3) The seatbelt one gets me. Sure, it's your business if you don't want to wear one. But it's my business, too because I'm the one that has to tell your family that you died. I also have to shut down the road and do a huge investigation, using up hundreds of man-hours worth of resources and inconveniencing countless people who will now be stuck in traffic. And, if there's anybody else in the car with you, you are a safety hazard to them. Ever seen what happens to an unrestrained person during a roll-over? If there's anybody else in the car with you, your body will bludgeon them until the car stops or you get ejected.

4) You touched on a lot of really good use of force issues. Here in the US, we don't shoot to kill, we "shoot to stop the threat." Frequently, the threat stops when they are dead, but our intent isn't to "kill," as that would make us executioners. Our intent is to "stop the person's immediately violent actions." There are three ways a person can be stopped when shot:
(a) psychological-- the pain/ fear caused by the wound
(b) neurological-- the brain/spine is damaged, causing immediate unconsciousness or paralysis
c) hemorrhagic-- the blood vessels are ruptured, causing massive bleeding, leading to unconsciousness.
We usually aim center of mass to accomplish this because all three types of stops overlap in this area.
On top of all this, in the US, six out of seven people who are shot with a handgun survive. So getting shot by a cop is not an automatic death.

5) Some jurisdictions have quotas, from what I've been told. However, in my state (California), quotas are illegal. Our bosses do ask us to bring in a few tickets, depending on how busy we are, and we have areas and violations that we focus our attention on. These are usually associated with high instances of traffic collisions and/or citizen complaints, all of which are tracked in our stats system.

Thanks again, bro. Good stuff here. Keep it up!
User avatar #22 to #11 - economicfreedom (07/02/2015) [-]
>seat belts
and how many man-hours are wasted making sure people wear their seat belts?
how many people are inconvenienced when they get pulled over

>rollover
except the law applies to people who are alone in their cars as well
#23 to #22 - policexplain (07/02/2015) [-]
See the difference? I consider it a waste to shut down traffic while I investigate your death. You consider it a waste for me to make sure you don't die in a completely preventable way. Also, it's not just death. If your'e not wearing a seat belt, you're more likely to get seriously injured in a collision that wouldn't do much to you if you'd been belted.
#30 to #29 - policexplain (07/02/2015) [-]
Not "property of the US Government."
'The US Government' is made up of people. It's not some shadow organization, run by conspirators who rub their hands together in a dark room, it's you, me, our neighbors, the guy down the street. When you crash your motorcycle or car and you get mutilated, end up in a coma, become permanently disabled, or ******* die because you weren't wearing a helmet or a seatbelt, it ties up cops and firefighters and paramedics and doctors and hundreds of other people who now have to do a lot of work to try to save you, rehabilitate you, or bury you. Then I have to go explain it to your family.

So people enacted laws that require you to wear a seat belt and a helmet. People did that because they were tired of hearing that their loved ones were crippled or killed in completely preventable ways.
User avatar #31 to #30 - economicfreedom (07/02/2015) [-]
you one person is the property of other people then

how is that different
User avatar #33 to #31 - policexplain (07/02/2015) [-]
"Property" implies ownership, a hierarchical relationship. Property gets nothing in return from its owner. So, no, I'm not talking about property. I'm talking about a collective, a community, a mutually beneficial society where everybody contributes in some way and benefits in other ways.

"Anyone who cannot form a community with others, or who does not need to because he is self-sufficient, is no part of a polis - he is either a beast or a god." -Aristotle.

What you and many others with your views forget is that you are not self-sufficient. You are neither a beast, nor a god. You're part of a huge network of other people that are making your life and comfort possible and your actions directly affect the other people in that network, whether or not you've ever met them or even know of their existence.
User avatar #36 to #33 - economicfreedom (07/02/2015) [-]
Power of the Market - The Pencil you seem to confuse individualism with isolationism

an owner can get a slave to do something they otherwise would not do through threat of force
not wanting to be in a situation like that does not mean people want to be alone in the world
User avatar #41 to #36 - AmusableBman (07/03/2015) [-]
How about you just wear your damn seatbelt? Or are you so busy that the two seconds to put the thing on isn't worth it?
User avatar #42 to #41 - economicfreedom (07/04/2015) [-]
I'm all for wearing seat belts
I am against the law that says people are not in charge of their own lives
#45 to #42 - anon (07/04/2015) [-]
Funny thing about that law. If you put the seat belt on, you... and this is the kick, don't even ******* have to worry about it. You're seriously debating a law designed to save YOUR life and the lives of others?

Ya know what, at this point I think you're just a ******* idiot. I don't even understand WHY you care so much unless you have been pulled over repeatedly before for not wearing a seat belt.
User avatar #39 to #36 - policexplain (07/02/2015) [-]
And you seem to confuse democracy with slavery.
User avatar #35 to #11 - banteringcat ONLINE (07/02/2015) [-]
Are you perhaps CHP?
User avatar #40 to #35 - policexplain (07/02/2015) [-]
Nope. ;-)

I work in a major city in California. Sorry, I don't want to say exactly where I work for reasons of privacy.
#2 - alwaysscaroused (07/01/2015) [-]
I respect policeman a lot, and it always makes me sad when my friends call them "cunts" or "assholes" when they give em a ticket. If people would stop blaming someone else when doing something bad, world would be a much better place
User avatar #21 to #2 - economicfreedom (07/02/2015) [-]
when "doing something bad" and "against the law" are the same thing, then that's fine

when stupid things are illegal, there's a problem
User avatar #24 to #21 - policexplain (07/02/2015) [-]
Lots of "stupid things" cause people death or grievous suffering. The thing is that most people don't see the reality of how bad those things are because they've been insulated against it for most of their life.

But there are some things that would be better dealt with socially, not legally (drug abuse, for example).
User avatar #26 to #24 - economicfreedom (07/02/2015) [-]
the same argument could be used to use government to prevent people from over-eating
User avatar #28 to #26 - policexplain (07/02/2015) [-]
That would depend on how you define "stupid things."

Regardless, a lot of the problems that we face in our country could be solved in better ways than making a law and expecting police to enforce it.
User avatar #32 to #28 - economicfreedom (07/02/2015) [-]
finally we agree on something
User avatar #34 to #32 - policexplain (07/02/2015) [-]
I think we agree on more than you'd guess from this very narrow discussion.
This is the reason that human interactions are best organized over a few beers, rather than across the internet.
#3 - anon (07/02/2015) [-]
Cops have quotas you dumb ****
Cops have sued their ******* commanders because of quotas
They aren't legal but the charade remains
You're one of these uniform worshiping baby fascists that need to suck a dick

Seriously, you're a homo
"Guys look good in uniform"
******* faget
#8 to #3 - flamingbananas ONLINE (07/02/2015) [-]
I believe that this is appropriate
#12 to #3 - hetzerdk (07/02/2015) [-]
Well these guys look great in uniforms
#6 to #3 - malachitecobra (07/02/2015) [-]
i'll bet you were raised here
User avatar #7 - yugiohkris ONLINE (07/02/2015) [-]
Policexplain do you want to add anything to this comp?
User avatar #10 to #7 - policexplain (07/02/2015) [-]
I'm working on my own cop stories comp, actually (and I use a ton of these pictures).

There are tons of misconceptions about police. There were a lot of good ones in here.
#5 - strigt (07/02/2015) [-]
This is a good, informative post.
I like this post.
I hope this post makes it to the Frontpage.
I award this post with 9/10.
The discrepancy is for no JOHN CENA! DOO DO DO DOOOOOOOOO!!!
User avatar #1 - derius (07/01/2015) [-]
What would you say about civil forfeiture?
User avatar #25 to #1 - policexplain (07/02/2015) [-]
I would say it's ******** and it can lead to some hefty corruption. I work in a jurisdiction where we don't do that. Legalize drugs and it becomes a virtually non-existent problem.
#14 - insanefreak (07/02/2015) [-]
Every time I hear people bitch about the police, those people have been fined by them, received a ticket, or done something else that made the police act towards them. They. Do. Their. Jobs. You speeded, did an illegal parking, or whatsoever. Even if you think it was ******** to receive a ticket for it, it's NOT the cops their fault. The government makes the laws, the police enforces them. Yet, the cops get all the hate. What happened to not shooting the messenger?

Personally, I like the cops. All my involvements with them have been positive, even if I have had a few where they gave me a warning. But being polite and human and simply accepting your error and acting on it is enough to get you out of trouble.

I got through the US border guard once, with a case of six beers (.5% alcohol), as an 18 year old Belgian visitor. I explained them that I had brought it along for my friend's dad, as I'd be staying at their house. I asked them what they wanted me to do with it, if I had to leave it behind, trash it, and if there was an option for me to mail it through to them. They just looked at each other, chuckled, and put it back in my suitcase. They helped me on my way, and I spent the next three hours waiting for my flight in pure fear, wondering if they took my luggage apart because I had been hearing frightening stories of the evil American cops. I even bothered some airport personel with it, to no avail. Fear didn't stop until I landed and found my luggage safe and sound.

Cops are humans. Humans are breakable. They do their job, they enforce the laws made by politicians who **** up far more often than the police themselves do, and they often don't like the laws anymore than you do (I once witnessed a cop breaking down in tears at a uni because he was on bicycle check duty and had to return with at least 800 tickets written out and he hated it because the school was a mile away from the station, and had proper bike lanes). Don't blame them, don't hate them, because at the end of the day, they'll be the ones trying to save your ass if you get in trouble.
User avatar #13 - awesomedewd (07/02/2015) [-]
To your point: "Just shoot the guy in the leg, that will stop him"
And the phrase "that stuff is from movies" is ******** .
In many other countries police are trained to IMMOBILZE a target and not to KILL it, they're trained to shoot at non-vital points of the body and only to shoot in absolute need.

Then again, in the US nearly everyone can carry a real weapon, so I guess the danger is bigger there.
User avatar #17 to #13 - legodude (07/02/2015) [-]
problem you immobilize someone and they can turn around and shoot you.
#38 to #17 - anon (07/02/2015) [-]
That's a what if if person they chase was shot they risk killing them self in doing considering cops usually in pairs moot point
User avatar #19 to #17 - awesomedewd (07/02/2015) [-]
Not if they have no guns.
#4 - anon (07/02/2015) [-]
I wish they had a killing ******* quota.
User avatar #44 - YoursTruley ONLINE (07/04/2015) [-]
1 and 3 are different in america. Lots of patrol cars have rifles now. In the north east, seat belt laws were put in place for DRIVERS because of the massive revenue from tickets, had nothing to do with safety.
User avatar #27 - carbohydrates (07/02/2015) [-]
The only time I bitch about police:
When there is clear proof of them abusing their power.
And deputies... Just about every office I talk to is cool. It's always seems that deputies have a stick up their ass.

The only "criminal" contact setting I've had with police:
A friend of a friend is being stupid, and shot a car with a pellet gun. We three get caught, police are called.
An officer got there first, looks at the car, single mark on the rear passenger side door, and told us it's probably gonna be settled out of court.
Deputy arrives, takes a passing glance at the door comes right up to us, sticks his face in my face "That's is gonna be over Eight HUNDRED dollars in damages, that's a FELONY charge. Do you understand what that means? It is going to be with you for LIFE."
... Except that I didn't shoot the car. So it's an accessory charge, at the most.
Go on and on about this car, felony, going to jail, blah blah blah, scare tactics.
They look up our records, me and my friend are clean, the friend of friend has several misdemeanors already, so this last charge brings to the edge of felony, or to a felony.
They cuff him, stick him in the deputies car, and let us two go.
Come to find out that the whole way to the station the deputy was going on to the friend of friend about how us two signed paperwork saying he did everything, and how we were gonna get away scot-free.
His grand-parents go to the station and bail him or whatever.
His out-of-state parents are pretty pissed, and threaten to move him back there.
And this guy now hates me, and isn't too friendly to my friend.

TL;DR, I ain't too happy with deputies.
User avatar #20 - economicfreedom (07/02/2015) [-]
>police are there to protect the community

no... police protect people from other people.
Police should have no business protecting people from themselves

>"curse me, hate me, wich me dead; I'll still be there when you need me"

when second matter, the police are only minutes away
#18 - anon (07/02/2015) [-]
another person has said it too, trained to immobilise etc. ur police in the US are power hungry cunts same as ur military. gtfo our planet
#16 - anon (07/02/2015) [-]
lol ok **** u mate. police are pure cunts, they VOLUNTARILY decided to be the LETTER of the law the face of your government. they chose to be the first people at risk etc. so yes they should use a taser instead of a gun etc. why risk themselves is your argument? THEY ARE THE POLICE. THE LITERAL HUMAN SHIELD OF THE COMMUNITY. if they are not prepared to wait until they are SHOT AT BEFORE THEY FIRE THEMSELVES. then they are a civilian. acting out of fear etc. not a police officer acting because a LAW WAS BROKEN. NOT BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT THIS THAT OR W.E.
User avatar #15 - midnitetokerz (07/02/2015) [-]
OP are you a cop in canada?
User avatar #9 - policexplain (07/02/2015) [-]
Good comp, bro. Are you on the job up in Canada?

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