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obanesforever (01/02/2016) [-] Eyes don't see in frames like cameras do. It's a continuous stream of light that enters the retina, so there's really no limit to how many frames you can perceive. Still, you get diminishing returns once you go past a certain point.
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Ajracer (01/02/2016) [-] While this is true, it's also important to note how your eyes deal with motion. If you take your hand and wave it in front of your face it will be blurry, but If you were to film your hand waving quickly at a high fps and then play it back, the blur would be gone and it might seem a bit unnatural. If you saw The Hobbit at 60 fps it seemed a bit off because of this effect, seeming less immersive and kind of fake looking. If we're talking about video games, the clearer and smoother animation usually compensates for this as they're usually not meant to look like real life anyway, but a higher fps does have its drawbacks.
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anon (01/02/2016) [-]
You don't lose blur effects from film like in the Hobbit. It's completely a mental thing. You're used to 24fps for films, so when the Hobbit runs 60fps, you're natural response is 'This is different, thus I don't like it'. Watch enough of it, you'll get used to it, and then everything at 24fps looks terrible.
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Ajracer (01/02/2016) [-] You absolutely would lose a blur effect - That's the point of high speed cameras that are used for capturing sports, because you would not be able to take everything in with your eyes when it happens quickly. It's also why high fps slow-motion webms look so sexy. Also, video is shot at 30 fps and doesn't feel wrong at all, so I don't think it has to do with adjusting. Since The Hobbit pt. 1 was the only feature film to experiment with a high fps and it would be pretty silly just to watch it over and over again and see if you get used to it, there's not much here to examine. I'm not saying high fps is a bad thing or that your eyes can't handle higher than 24, just explaining that higher isn't always better, especially when it comes to films or realism.
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haroldsaxon (01/02/2016) [-] I can easily tell the difference between 120 and 60 FPS. How do I do that?
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anon (01/02/2016) [-]
No, friend. He's seeing the difference between 60 and 120. You see in a constant stream. The reason you can't see a bullet isn't because your eyes aren't getting enough "frames" every second.
It's because it's moving at a speed that it would be in your vision for MICROSECONDS.
It's reaction/register time of the brain, not the eyesight.
But past ALL OF THAT what some people don't seem to get is that higher frames are more for performance than looks. Since your screen is updating more than twice as fast, your mouse movement is much smoother and snappier. Of course it does look quite a bit nicer.
It's because it's moving at a speed that it would be in your vision for MICROSECONDS.
It's reaction/register time of the brain, not the eyesight.
But past ALL OF THAT what some people don't seem to get is that higher frames are more for performance than looks. Since your screen is updating more than twice as fast, your mouse movement is much smoother and snappier. Of course it does look quite a bit nicer.
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northleech (01/02/2016) [-] I don't agree with the other guy, but telling the difference from playing and watching are two entirely different things. I can easily tell the difference between 60 and 120 if I play, and probably even see as well.
However, seeing a drop from 120 to 90 is something I could probably not do.
However, seeing a drop from 120 to 90 is something I could probably not do.
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haroldsaxon (01/03/2016) [-] My point is simple, though. If I have 50 videos all in 60 and 120 FPS next to each other and didn't know which is which, I could pick the 120 FPS 50/50 times. Which implies that what a lot of these people have said is simply wrong. Same thing for 720, 1080 and 4K resolution on phones. What I need/is efficient, is a different question entirely.
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obanesforever (01/02/2016) [-] The thing that really prevents use from seeing bullets whizzing isn't the speed, but the low amount of photons being reflected, in contrast to the background. If you put a tracer round on them, you'll be able to see them fine.
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frizzyo (01/02/2016) [-] I mean going past your face. The motion. Since we only actually see in 2.5 dimensions, seeing a bullet down the barrel is essentially a slow moving object, side to side. And with going past your face, same reason why you can't see words on a fast moving vehicle. If we absorbed light as fully as its emitted, we wouldn't see motion blurs. Our eyes do have limits, even on light absorption.
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nathanbiggs ONLINE (01/02/2016) [-] The human eye can easily see double that framerate, 120 is well within reach and it shows that you have on experience with a 120hz+ monitor
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nathanbiggs ONLINE (01/02/2016) [-] Air Force pilots have been shown to be able to identify an image that flashed on screen for 1/220th of a second, I'm sure that an untrained eye could easily see half of that
www.100fps.com/how_many_frames_can_humans_see.htm
www.100fps.com/how_many_frames_can_humans_see.htm
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frizzyo (01/02/2016) [-] You're right. At first I was interested. Then I realized... what's the point? Then just went with fun instead. I wouldn't call it trolling. But then again maybe bad trolling is when someone is trying? idk. I just got bored and rolled with it. Don't even know why I'm even saying this. Just still bored.
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frizzyo (01/02/2016) [-] So so. Said a thing I heard. Never thinking I knew facts. Then remembered how fun it is to read ********** . That's my playthrough. And yes. Still was entertaining.
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Airmanator ONLINE (01/02/2016) [-] Get a 144hz monitor and compare it to a 120hz one and then get back to me.
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anon (01/02/2016) [-] >spelled "trick" wrong on purpose to gain attention
>used the exact image thats on the left and put it on the right
>not realizing fps stands for frames-per-second, meaning the smoothness of animation and more fps = better rendering speed
sit down. shut up. play videogames.
>used the exact image thats on the left and put it on the right
>not realizing fps stands for frames-per-second, meaning the smoothness of animation and more fps = better rendering speed
sit down. shut up. play videogames.
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jokersaysamuseme (01/02/2016) [-] **jokersaysamuseme used "*roll picture*"**
**jokersaysamuseme rolled image** MFW people can't just enjoy their games without stroking their own egos.
**jokersaysamuseme rolled image** MFW people can't just enjoy their games without stroking their own egos.
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blademontane (01/02/2016) [-] I don't get why people say that "The human eye can't differentiate between 30fps and 60fps."
If you find a youtube video that plays in 60fps, and play it against a normal one, anyone would be able to tell the difference.
If you find a youtube video that plays in 60fps, and play it against a normal one, anyone would be able to tell the difference.
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Einsty (01/02/2016) [-] My brother can't.
By brother can't tell the difference between 17 and 60 fps.
He is unable to see jpeg artifacts.
He can't percieve stutter in video.
He can't hear if the audio is offset.
It infuriates me to no end.
He also can't do fast split-second decision making and it has nearly led to a few car accidents.
But his brain is powerful as a ************ and he is a pretty good programmer.
By brother can't tell the difference between 17 and 60 fps.
He is unable to see jpeg artifacts.
He can't percieve stutter in video.
He can't hear if the audio is offset.
It infuriates me to no end.
He also can't do fast split-second decision making and it has nearly led to a few car accidents.
But his brain is powerful as a ************ and he is a pretty good programmer.
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thesovereigngrave (01/02/2016) [-] He should probably get that checked out. I mean, unless he's just lying to **** with you it sounds like there may actually be something wrong.
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pocketstooheavy (01/02/2016) [-] Then there's something wrong with the way he sees. There's a very clear difference...
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misterfrog (01/02/2016) [-] where does this myth even come from? it's so obviously untrue and people still believe it
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blademontane (01/02/2016) [-] Personally, I think it's from the PC vs Console war. PC gamers lord over the 'muh 6 gorillion fps', while the console gamers say 'Yeah you can't even tell the difference bro'
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misterfrog (01/02/2016) [-] i don't think it comes from butthurt alone, it must be from some actual source that claimed this to be true
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chaosraptor (01/02/2016) [-] pc and consoles are good at what they do, i just prefer PC because its more versatile and can quickly swap between its functions without hassle
can console run a game, let you go afk, and drop it down to use fj, and youtube, and FB and watch a movie at the same time, and pop back into your game when you want
can console run a game, let you go afk, and drop it down to use fj, and youtube, and FB and watch a movie at the same time, and pop back into your game when you want
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indecisivejew (01/02/2016) [-] No, but that's why I prefer them honestly.
I don't see why people use consoles for multiplayer stuff, but for me, gaming is about unwinding and immersing in a different environment, to get away from other ******** .
Given that I often work at a computer all day, it helps to get away from it without any distractions from other tabs or messages or what have you. I like having a device dedicated to one thing to make for less distractions, kind of like preferring a book rather than reading off of a tab on chrome.
I don't see why people use consoles for multiplayer stuff, but for me, gaming is about unwinding and immersing in a different environment, to get away from other ******** .
Given that I often work at a computer all day, it helps to get away from it without any distractions from other tabs or messages or what have you. I like having a device dedicated to one thing to make for less distractions, kind of like preferring a book rather than reading off of a tab on chrome.
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chaosraptor (01/02/2016) [-] well here we go... an actual valid point
not 'nuuuuuh console better" but "i like time away from a pc"
thumb to you
part of me misses playing PS1 games from back in the day... just the other part of me doesnt missed heat blistered thumbs from intense gameplay
not 'nuuuuuh console better" but "i like time away from a pc"
thumb to you
part of me misses playing PS1 games from back in the day... just the other part of me doesnt missed heat blistered thumbs from intense gameplay
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punisherswar (01/02/2016) [-] My set up is my TV next to my PC so I can use both. Normally I have youtube / netflix playing while I game.....which lead to some really random set ups.
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chaosraptor (01/02/2016) [-] nice setup... but kinda outside the "what can the systems do" theme
pc can do a ton of **** at the same time... console cant
pc can do a ton of **** at the same time... console cant
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captaincapital (01/02/2016) [-]
>boot pc
>press button on custom pc xbox controller
>steam big pictute comes up
>select game
>play
>close pc when done
Still better than consoles
>press button on custom pc xbox controller
>steam big pictute comes up
>select game
>play
>close pc when done
Still better than consoles
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gloriousthighs (01/02/2016) [-]
It's mostly about simplicity for me. I like to just put my game in, sit/ lay on my bed and play the game. Perhaps when I fork out $1500 for a computer that is more powerful than my playstation I'll prefer it.
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severepwner (01/02/2016) [-] Asking that loaded ass question is ******** .
For one the question implies this, "Oh you like consoles better, so you would be one to declare war on PCs?"
Answer 1: "Huh what? No I didn't say that." OOOOH so you do like PCs better than consoles then?
Answer 2: "Uhhh I guess?" YOU SAW IT HERE FOLKS, this typical console user wants to tear us down!
It's a ******* loaded question. It's entire purpose was to make the person being asked appear guilty regardless of his answer.
For one the question implies this, "Oh you like consoles better, so you would be one to declare war on PCs?"
Answer 1: "Huh what? No I didn't say that." OOOOH so you do like PCs better than consoles then?
Answer 2: "Uhhh I guess?" YOU SAW IT HERE FOLKS, this typical console user wants to tear us down!
It's a ******* loaded question. It's entire purpose was to make the person being asked appear guilty regardless of his answer.
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adr (01/02/2016) [-]
I think you're looking too deeply into this. I assume from how it is set up that they wanted the person to say consoles so that the actors could come in and say he would beat up people who prefer console to PC. That is of course assuming that the whole thing was not a set up or that this is actually what they said and not just text somebody added to the picture.
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StickyTissueLoLz (01/02/2016) [-] Jesus Christ dude, he's not even being serious. Get your dick out of a knot and chill, spaz.
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severepwner (01/02/2016) [-] >>#43
You said this in response to my comment here >>#17, where I said "Wow that totally wasn't loaded question as **** ", when referring to the question "So you are against PCs?"
Then you responded with "it wasn't even a question". So I literally repeated the same question to you, putting extra emphasis on the question mark just to prove to you it was in fact a question. You answered the question, proving that "So you are against PCs?" is a question despite what you said.
Does this make sense now?
You said this in response to my comment here >>#17, where I said "Wow that totally wasn't loaded question as **** ", when referring to the question "So you are against PCs?"
Then you responded with "it wasn't even a question". So I literally repeated the same question to you, putting extra emphasis on the question mark just to prove to you it was in fact a question. You answered the question, proving that "So you are against PCs?" is a question despite what you said.
Does this make sense now?
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AnimalsConscience ONLINE (01/02/2016) [-]
Joke. Intended for comedic purposes. Likely staged. Meant to be funny.
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vladi (01/02/2016) [-] These posts always hit me right in the heart it's so sad. Can't we just unity as the gamer master race and fight against the outsiders trying to influence our games?
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eaglEEE (01/02/2016) [-] You can't compare a ~$300 console to a >$1000 PC. It's like saying that a formula 1 performs better than a Nissan GTR, like no **** Sherlock. I still can't believe there are idiots that start this **** after what, 10 years?
It's not even a discussion, PCs are better, but also a lot more expensive and complicated. If you got the money, go for it dude, knock yourself out.
It's not even a discussion, PCs are better, but also a lot more expensive and complicated. If you got the money, go for it dude, knock yourself out.
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ninjapieguy (01/02/2016) [-] >my total pc cost ~ $1200 including keyboard, mouse, monitor, etc
>each game costs ~$10 if you get them on sale, but for the sake of being fair let's say an average of about $40 per game
>console ~$350 (check amazon for a ps4)
>tv is at least $100
>$50 a year for psn
>$60 a game because no steam sale
let's say I want to play games everyday, and I buy a new one each month
total pc cost ~$1700
total console cost ~$1220
Next year rolls around
total pc cost ~$2180
total console cost ~$1990
Another year passes
tech has upgraded, you need to get a better system
~$400 brand new gpu
~$500 brand new console (some new peripherals would be necessary but meh maybe you have cheap generic stuff so who even cares)
pc: ~$3060
console: ~$3210
It might take a few years, but pc ends up being cheaper.
This is making a lot of assumptions and consoles do have their benefits, don't get me wrong
But I think $40 is a bit high for a steam game when it's on sale, most people don't buy $100 tv's, and having a gaming pc means you don't need a work pc, cable (netflix, hulu, piracy), or most other entertainment devices
in all honesty though, I couldn't give less of a **** what other people play. I'm satisfied with my pc; if you're satisfied with a console, good for you
tl; dr
pc is overall cheaper in the long run, but play what you want and don't be a dick about things
>each game costs ~$10 if you get them on sale, but for the sake of being fair let's say an average of about $40 per game
>console ~$350 (check amazon for a ps4)
>tv is at least $100
>$50 a year for psn
>$60 a game because no steam sale
let's say I want to play games everyday, and I buy a new one each month
total pc cost ~$1700
total console cost ~$1220
Next year rolls around
total pc cost ~$2180
total console cost ~$1990
Another year passes
tech has upgraded, you need to get a better system
~$400 brand new gpu
~$500 brand new console (some new peripherals would be necessary but meh maybe you have cheap generic stuff so who even cares)
pc: ~$3060
console: ~$3210
It might take a few years, but pc ends up being cheaper.
This is making a lot of assumptions and consoles do have their benefits, don't get me wrong
But I think $40 is a bit high for a steam game when it's on sale, most people don't buy $100 tv's, and having a gaming pc means you don't need a work pc, cable (netflix, hulu, piracy), or most other entertainment devices
in all honesty though, I couldn't give less of a **** what other people play. I'm satisfied with my pc; if you're satisfied with a console, good for you
tl; dr
pc is overall cheaper in the long run, but play what you want and don't be a dick about things
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ninjapieguy (01/02/2016) [-] 1. I upgraded the pc once in 3 years
2. I paid $400 for a GPU quite recently actually. If you want a link to the store page, I'll post it
3. You don't need to upgrade ram until it dies; that doesn't happen in 3 years
4.My CPU has lasted me for around 5 years now. Maybe I'm lucky but still, it's definitely possible.
5. I didn't state that new gens come out every year. In this case it came out 3 years after the purchase for the sake of simplicity
check urself m8
2. I paid $400 for a GPU quite recently actually. If you want a link to the store page, I'll post it
3. You don't need to upgrade ram until it dies; that doesn't happen in 3 years
4.My CPU has lasted me for around 5 years now. Maybe I'm lucky but still, it's definitely possible.
5. I didn't state that new gens come out every year. In this case it came out 3 years after the purchase for the sake of simplicity
check urself m8
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ninjapieguy (01/02/2016) [-] just putting a hypothetical situation out there
a college student who just wants to play mortal kombat with their buddies would find that a console better suits their needs
a college student who just wants to play mortal kombat with their buddies would find that a console better suits their needs
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stifflimb (01/02/2016) [-] Why would you include TV in that? Most people own a tv on beforehand, at that point you could start adding cost for desk, chair, couch, tv stand and so on aswell, console use an already existing monitor while not many people own a pc monitor without owning a pc for it aswell.
And that was your pc aswell, if you're really going for the pc got better graphics, fps and so on you would have to go for the real highend cost and easily land on 2k and more, not forgetting how when having a high end rigs multiple monitors is apparently needed or the norm.
And that was your pc aswell, if you're really going for the pc got better graphics, fps and so on you would have to go for the real highend cost and easily land on 2k and more, not forgetting how when having a high end rigs multiple monitors is apparently needed or the norm.
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ninjapieguy (01/02/2016) [-] I included a tv in it because I included the monitor price with my PC. Many people have a monitor already too, because many people already own a desktop for various reasons. Simply evening things out. It's a hypothetical situation, we have to make some assumptions.
(If you want to drop the tv cost, pc would still be $50 cheaper)
My pc runs most games today at medium to max settings and 60fps. It's a good middle-of-the-road system; you could spend more or less on it depending on your needs.
My first computer was $800 and still ran most games on low settings at 60fps, and you could of course spend more and get even better performance. That's the beauty of pc, it's customizable.
(If you want to drop the tv cost, pc would still be $50 cheaper)
My pc runs most games today at medium to max settings and 60fps. It's a good middle-of-the-road system; you could spend more or less on it depending on your needs.
My first computer was $800 and still ran most games on low settings at 60fps, and you could of course spend more and get even better performance. That's the beauty of pc, it's customizable.
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stifflimb (01/02/2016) [-] Tv 80% already got on beforehand, Pc monitor without a pc maybe 5% of people got that, and you dont get a pc monitor for any other reason than a pc, my tv I got 2-3 years before getting a console since I used it as a TV.
Going by your weird prices yeah, but why would console games be more expensive, they generally do cost some more just as they come out but afterword a lot of internet stores and actual physical stores lowers the prices to about the same, so that would only be for you if you buy from Steam on pc and Playstation Store on ps, why would anyone be limited to that?
And you added about the cost for playstation plus, what about extra costs for games like World of Warcraft that requires monthly fee´s, that would be what, another 120 for that game alone yearly for the pc.
And the beauty of consoles is you get what you buy, until technology advanced to the point where it's worth making a whole new machine all games will fit and fucntion perfectly on that console, it got less parts that can break down or programs that can ruin it or go faulty, less chance for viruses and so on.
They are both excellent machines, consoles and pc and gives different things.
People who goes that if you play it on a pc you get a lot more out of the game are talking out of their ass, some games do look better and are more fluent, but that dont mean the game on a console it looking like **** or staggering at every moment.
Going by your weird prices yeah, but why would console games be more expensive, they generally do cost some more just as they come out but afterword a lot of internet stores and actual physical stores lowers the prices to about the same, so that would only be for you if you buy from Steam on pc and Playstation Store on ps, why would anyone be limited to that?
And you added about the cost for playstation plus, what about extra costs for games like World of Warcraft that requires monthly fee´s, that would be what, another 120 for that game alone yearly for the pc.
And the beauty of consoles is you get what you buy, until technology advanced to the point where it's worth making a whole new machine all games will fit and fucntion perfectly on that console, it got less parts that can break down or programs that can ruin it or go faulty, less chance for viruses and so on.
They are both excellent machines, consoles and pc and gives different things.
People who goes that if you play it on a pc you get a lot more out of the game are talking out of their ass, some games do look better and are more fluent, but that dont mean the game on a console it looking like **** or staggering at every moment.
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frutus (01/02/2016) [-] >caring what other people think
>not enjoying what makes you happy
alternative
>play both and shut up
>not enjoying what makes you happy
alternative
>play both and shut up
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chikachikapew (01/02/2016) [-] PC VS Console
pff
I dont care, and why people care? because what matter is the game
I'm having fun playing PC & Nintendo DS games.
not really interested in Xbox & Playstation games tho. it simply not fit my taste.
(and i'm too poor to buy one)
pff
I dont care, and why people care? because what matter is the game
I'm having fun playing PC & Nintendo DS games.
not really interested in Xbox & Playstation games tho. it simply not fit my taste.
(and i'm too poor to buy one)
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chikachikapew (01/02/2016) [-] From my Desktop screenshoot folder
a hentai game
Artificial Academy 2
design your own student and try to **** em'
totally not the reason why i like pc
a hentai game
Artificial Academy 2
design your own student and try to **** em'
totally not the reason why i like pc
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chikachikapew (01/03/2016) [-] some caring communities actually put some helpful guides like this
wiki.anime-sharing.com/hgames/index.php/Artificial_Academy_2_Technical_Help#Installing_the_Game
now you already have the guide, the next problem is to find all the data you need.
after you finish the installation and the game finally run, your next problem is how to make the game look good (configure the graphic and **** like that)
and then after the graphic look good, your next problem is how to make your character look good.
yep that's pretty complicated
wiki.anime-sharing.com/hgames/index.php/Artificial_Academy_2_Technical_Help#Installing_the_Game
now you already have the guide, the next problem is to find all the data you need.
after you finish the installation and the game finally run, your next problem is how to make the game look good (configure the graphic and **** like that)
and then after the graphic look good, your next problem is how to make your character look good.
yep that's pretty complicated
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matralith (01/02/2016) [-] Can't we just all enjoy games regardless of the systems we play them on?
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mrhazzy (01/02/2016) [-] "Although the human eye and brain can interpret up to 1000 frames per second, someone sitting in a chair and actively guessing at how high a framerate is can, on average, interpet up to about 150 frames per second"
Literally googled "eye frame rate"
anyone who says anything about your eyes seeing only x amount of frames as an excuse for anything, punch them...
Literally googled "eye frame rate"
anyone who says anything about your eyes seeing only x amount of frames as an excuse for anything, punch them...
