And if you get stumped in the argument it doesn't mean you're an idiot.
Maybe you need to do more research on your stance or maybe the other stance makes more sense and your opponent has just now helped you realize that
We need to realize that just because we were proven wrong doesn't make us an idiot. What makes us an idiot is continuing to fight a battle that you know you've already lost.
Take some time to chew on the facts and decide if you should continue to hold the same view or if you need to more research
thats true but it also means you have an overall weaker arguement and conviction. For example in the debates Trump really had nothing new to add, he just brought up one or two prepared examples. Rand Paul had a straw man arguemnet going but overall he had his partly lines and he knew his position and his defense
I originally hate debating because of fear of looking like an idiot. Considering back in high school, you'd get laughed at no matter what you do; I shouldn't have cared.
Now I'm kind of older, and unwilling to take retarded ******** anymore, it made me more wanting to talk to others and understanding their points of view. The problem with me is; being opinionated without truly understanding what I know.
i've seen a tedtalk from a guy that said the more arguments he has, the more arguments he "loses", and then explains that argueing is not about getting the other person to believe your standpoint but (for each side) to learn more about the topic and the different views.
I think that's a lesson sites like funnyjunk could learn a lot from. Maybe then the discussions on this site would actually work reasonably well without constantly escalating into heated conflicts with both sides refusing to back down and eventually resorting to calling each other autistic.
I see an equal number of posts either becoming immature arguments or ending with people admitting they were wrong and accepting a new point of view. Part of the reason why i like this site. Also for some reason OP has blocked me.
The thing is, if you hit a wall with your argument you can research and come back to finish the conversation later. Lack of information is not a problem with internet arguments. Calling the other parson a name usually means that the argument is already over. Name calling pretty much just means you can't come up with a real counter, and you loose.
the question that prompted the president to say this was what he thought of Ben Carson's proposal to cut off funding to colleges that demonstrate political bias. So if my tax money is going to a college that punishes freedom of speech that's borderline treason.
public universities are government and are bound by the constitution
private universities are bound by contract. If a uni claims to support free speech, and students come under that assumption, and then unis don't honor their claims, then they can be sued for violating their contract.
private universities that don't claim free speech, usually religious colleges, can do whatever they want.
Because universities have some kind of grey area of special legal jurisdiction, which started when they claimed to need "more freedom of association" to kick out the damned reds during the several pathetic scares of the twentieth century.
then the title xi diversity administrator came up to the stage a said that any one that was triggered by the president's speech could cry it out with coloring books and cat videos in the safe[ brain washing room ] space
I hate my countries colleges I want and need to go but they likely kick me out if I sneezed in the wrong spot does not help I'm white and not gay sorry truth shrugs
Sounds like you're the opposite; a conservative that blocks out liberal dialog. I'm sure there's lots of things Obama says that you would agree with. I'm pretty left and have agreed with somethings that even G. Bush and Trump have done/said.
He's a decent person. He just fell for the wrong political and economic ideas. Just like Bernie Sanders - seems like a nice enough guy; I'm just not going to support more socialists.
inb4 people assume I'm voting for Trump even though I can't stump him, no matter how hard I try
although, there is a thing called "the second fundamental theorem of welfare economics" that does imply that pseudo-socialism is possible from an economic point of view as long as it maintains private property, free trade, and minimal regulations.
>>#179, Yeah, we have dropped 3 places since 2009. Things like increased use of eminent domain, restrictions on businesses as well as federal spending and quantitative easing devaluing the dollar are contributions. Mr. Obama's Dodd-frank act to "protect the consumer" failed to do so, did not end too big to fail, and placed restrictive burdens on start ups and small banks, inhibiting growth. You know how many banks no longer offer free checking without meeting certain criteria- that is because of this bill. It gave a bunch of oversight to federal regulatory commissions on practices that typically are guided by open market. If that isn't a socialist practice, idk what is. These rules in essence prevent large scale corporations from financial crisis by setting a process by which they asses investment risk and inhibit growth/ start up of smaller companies who have to jump through the same hoops without the financial bankroll.
What's your reasoning against Sanders' socialism? Not looking to start an argument like some, but I'm just genuinely curious because I haven't really had a chance to ask anyone who wasn't being a douchebag about it.
Personally, I'm against traditional socialism, so when I heard about his platform, I wanted to do some research. I was pretty impressed, actually. Democratic socialism in the U.S. seems like it would be a good change, because democratic socialism is more like Scandnivian countries, and I they are pretty well regarded, so I think if Sanders became president and made those changes, we wouldn't be so much of a laughing stock anymore.
I'd like to hear your input, though. It'd probably better shape my own opinion to hear an opposing one.
It means he's for government programs and policies that end up transferring wealth from disproportionately white and male taxpayers to disproportionately black/non-white and female tax consumers / welfare recipients / government employees.
For example, the "Obamacare" is not socialist as in across-the-board socialist. It is corporatist because healthcare industry lobbyist defined its terms and had the president sign it. It's corporatist because it uses the government to force citizens to get healthcare whether they want to or not. This is guaranteed and artificial demand for the private healthcare industry's services. It's corporatism.
But it is also socialist along sex lines, because it forbids heath insurance companies from charging different premiums to men and women (but only when the premium would be more for women), even though women for example get expensive procedures such as abortion that men do not get by design. Health insurance, of course, can't do magic and offer that service to women for free. This means that the insurance premium for men will have to be jacked up to cover the costs of what women get (e.g. abortions). IOW, men are being forced to pay for women (who they do not have sex with) and subsidize their promiscuity and extra-marital sex.
Other examples include WIC, Section 8 (I think) housing, all the single mother aids and benefits, taxpayer-funded contraception and abortion, school assistance... All these benefits disproportionately go to women. In fact, they nearly exclusively go to women.
But they are all paid for by taxpayers which are disproportionately male and white.
The net result is whites and males disproportionately put more in to the system, while they disproportionately get less out of it. And blacks/non-whites and women disproportionately put too little in the system while they disproportionately get too much out of the system.
An example of socialism along race lines is when Obama passed laws to have long an unemplyed person can stay on welfare and receive other government benefits. The "reforms" effectively prolonged that period indefinitely. In short, taxpayers, which are disproportionately white, now are forced to pay to welfare recipients, which are disproportionately black, to sit on their asses (and bitch about racism and discrimination against black people).
Previously, unemployment benefits acted as a temporary safety net for a few short months while you looked for another job. It wasn't indefinite and it shouldn't be.
Actually, both of those are socialist. An idea can be properly and improperly implemented; Pinochet was a capitalist, after all, and so was Franco, but these don't have bearing on better capitalist nations.
Communism is the supposed goal of a transitory socialist state, but Stalin pretty much went his own route of industrialized gulag ******** .
Just because you disagree with me doesn't mean there's anything wrong with what I said. Am I not allowed to vote the ways I want to now..? I even said they seem like decent people.
The way I see it, we all want the same outcome, but we all have different ideas on how to get it. There are some issues that are better handled liberally, while there are others that would be best solved through more conservative methods. Two sides of the same coin, neither side is 100% right or wrong. We just need to find a balance.
If we didn't have the bipartisan liberal/conservative system, and instead had individuals who ran for their own beliefs, not the beliefs that will give them the most votes, we'd be in a better place. Too many people adhere so strongly to their party that they won't accept any avenues of thought that differ.
Personally, I think anyone who has purely conservative, or purely liberal, ideology is a detriment to society.
I agree with you wholeheartedly, unfortunately, dissolving the two-party system right now is a little naive. Our generation or our children's generation might be able to do it, but right now, we have to work with what we got.
I believe in a government that provides police and fire departments, military, arguably roads, things like the FDA, and that's pretty much it. Very minimalistic.
Don't know why you're getting thumbed down for this. Obama is a pretty good guy. He just wants to help people. Unfortunately he has no idea how to actually do that effectively and has resorted to just printing and handing out money. His intentions are good but his methods suck and to be a good president you have to be good at both.
The issue mainly lies in congress. Congress itself is supposed to be the legislating body, but due to campaign finance issues and an overall focus on "What the doners want" versus "What the people want", it's almost impossible to get anything through anymore. The original ACA was ******* fantastic, before it was declawed and defanged by Congress, and openly destroyed by the news media who didn't like it. This is really what has been happening with the presidency for the last two decades or so Incidentally, I originally wrote decade singular, because I thought that that would go back to the mid 90's. It's so hard to believe that it's been 7 years since Bush left office . People wonder why Obama has had to resort to Executive Orders, and it's because the Congress is so ******* corrupt that there is literally no other way to get the legislation wanted and needed by the country into effect.
I've actually noticed I'm agreeing with quite a bit of the stuff he has been saying and doing the past two or three months. Weird. Maybe it is because the candidates for next president look so terrible.
There are so, so, so many issues that a president or any leader of a country is responsible for to a greater or lesser extent, man. You're bound to agree with them on something regardless of your ideological differences.
This is true. I guess I'm just so used to not agreeing with him that it surprises me when something he says is agreeable. It had to happen sooner or later.
You mean gayer than saying someone instead of something? You know, that bugs me more than it should, considering it will probably take this comment for some people to even notice the mistake right away.
When I was on high school, we were taught that "liberals" were those that wanted economic laissez-faire and to limit the power of the government to influence our daily lives. It's funny how now "liberal" means basically the opposite.
well that is what Liberalism actually means. Libertarians are supposed to be hardcore Liberals as the root word of Liberal and Libertarian is liberty. Conservatism is dedication to law and control.
So in the US, Conservatives are Liberal, and Liberals are Conservative...all by definition. This may be because both ideals switched parties in the early 20th century. Democrats used to be the conservative party, and Republicans were liberals.
Around prohibition, such things began to change as the GOP began to support Prohibition and the Democratic party opposed it, causing a shift, the liberals who did not support prohibition moved to the democratic party, and the cons who supported it moved to the GOP.
Now a days, it's all the same. The only legit politicians are the independents.
I've talked to some people who feverently say we need to abolish the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act, which says that a hospital must treat someone even if they can't pay.
While this action won't be the government barring the poor from hospitals, it would be the hospitals themselves doing it.
Reallocate the money that's already being spent. Tweak the current system so Health Care isn't ridiculously expensive because medical costs are disproportionately large in the States due to a number of factors, including poor industry regulation.
Canada's health care uses the government as the negotiator between consumer and product and uses contracts to regulate the price and quality; our Health Care costs are lower per capita as a result. You should look up our system, it prevents companies from charging outrageous amounts because they have to compete with each other for a region wide contract instead of charging a desperate individual out the ass.
To be fair, I don't think people are gonna keep the planet hospitable by their own initiative. Climate awareness pretty much needs to be enforced by a government.
It doesn't need to be efficient, it needs to be effective in telling people who are efficient what to do if they don't want to be jailed for harming others.
It really does, but it depends on the context. Thomas Hobbes was real keen on a big, federalized government because people are too psychotic to trust to rule themselves. He said that the natural state of humanity is absolute, unlimited freedom. Freedom to kill, rape, and destroy without consequence. Life was "nasty, brutish, and short." So human beings created society by sacrificing the freaky parts of freedom for the stability of a government.
Smoking shouldn't be on that list. Unlike every single other thing, there is literally nothing about smoking that could even remotely be considered a positive. Except that it assuages your addiction, which is quite frankly absolutely pathetic. It is harmful to the smoker and everyone around them. You don't get to have freedom of choice when it involves things that can do very real physical harm to others around you who have NOT made that choice.
No matter what you think about his politics, you gotta admit, the guy still gives really good speeches. Fairly sure it's one of the bigger reasons he's in office.
Even though he heavily helped create this Politically Correct monster over the years. I guess the SJWs finally got to far out there for him and now he doesn't like what he helped make.
Oh so when FJ has been saying the same thing for ages, we're edgelords, ********* and we should "go back to /pol/", but when a black president says it, suddenly all the liberals on here don't have a problem with it.
can't remember any one specifically calling themselves a liberal followed by supporting censorship, or for that matter anybody on funnyjunk supporting that. Don't know where you got that idea from
do ya mean the SJW 'progressives'?, since this falls under them very heavily
**darcabyss used "*roll picture*"** **darcabyss rolled image** So, fun story time from a friend of mine.
She goes to a university about half an hour away from where she lives, and is taking psychology classes. For one assignment, the class was required to survey students about how much they knew about mental disorders and the like. Apparently, most students were very interested, but one teacher, another psych teacher no less, got really pissy about the surveys, saying they were offensive and intrusive to other students. Nevermind that this entire survey was done exclusively in the psych building, and if students weren't interested, they were allowed to walk away with no trouble.
Meanwhile, a bunch of random students had posted photos of dead babies and aborted fetuses in hallways, yelling a bunch of pro-life/anti-abortion **** and pestering students. Pretty much all over campus. Ask them to be quiet, and they shriek about freedom of speech.
College isn't what I expected it to be. And random image as thanks for reading this.