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#14 - politicsnstuff (11/28/2015) [-]
There are no modern Christian theocracies that actively persecute non-believers

that's the difference
#78 to #14 - hongkonglongdong (11/28/2015) [-]
So the difference is political, rather than religious?

Because that I would agree with. After all, plenty of Muslim countries exist that aren't insane theocracies -- look at Malaysia.

Oh, and you're wrong by the way. Plenty of horrible **** goes down in Africa. But that's not really "the state is persecuting non-Christians" so much as it is "Christian warlords are extralegally ******* up non-Christians".
#63 to #14 - benadryl ONLINE (11/28/2015) [-]
for now
User avatar #62 to #14 - praemium ONLINE (11/28/2015) [-]
None of them are theocracies in name and none of them rise to the level of Islamic republics, but just because something isn't as bad as something else, doesn't mean it should be ignored. It is relative fallacy. That being said, countries/areas with strong Christian tendencies are plenty. Northern Ireland rivalry of Protestants vs. Catholics nearly stopped in the 90's. In the ******* 90's a Western European country was still having religious slaughter, though it has slowed down, the battles are on-going. The Yugoslav massacres of Kosovo and Bosnia were entirely religious. The Russian Orthodox Church has seized complete power in Russia and has made any other form of religiousity almost entirely illegal, illegalized what they call "gay propaganda", but it practically means it is illegal to come out of the closet. Joseph Kony's group is openly Protestant. The Vatican has been the bulwark against any progress in Africa, always using the excuse "we are helping the poorest of the poor".
Though there are no official Christian theocracies, there still are majority Christian countries committing huge acts of atrocities. But yes, comparing the content, implying Christian Americans are as bad as the jihadists is tedious and doesn't constitute an argument, it is barely a comparison.
#39 to #14 - skeletorexplains ONLINE (11/28/2015) [-]
Yeah..
"Gays should be killed"
The big billboards going "Atheists go to hell"
Small acts of terrorism
"Do you believe in god? Yeah? *Shoots*"

there's several other things but yeah, they totally do none of this.
#70 to #39 - anon (11/28/2015) [-]
Killing people who believe in God is atheistic terrorism, not Christian.
User avatar #107 to #70 - skeletorexplains ONLINE (11/29/2015) [-]
lol?
#41 to #39 - anon (11/28/2015) [-]
theocracies
that means government

like saudi arabia where being gay can get you in way more trouble that in any christian nation

I'm not talking about extremist terrorists; these are mainstream government policies
User avatar #52 to #41 - thesovereigngrave ONLINE (11/28/2015) [-]
Saudi Arabia's technically just an absolute monarchy where the law is based on religious law; which is different from a theocracy like Iran where the country is ran by a high-ranking Shi'ite cleric.
User avatar #42 to #41 - skeletorexplains ONLINE (11/28/2015) [-]
Do you mean the same government that changed its pledge during the Soviet war in order to inject more "God" into the nation?
#74 to #42 - anon (11/28/2015) [-]
Holy **** , you know nothing at all. What, pray tell, is the Soviet War? When did this transpire? There was a Cold War, but no Soviet War.
User avatar #106 to #74 - skeletorexplains ONLINE (11/29/2015) [-]
lol
#44 to #42 - pebar (11/28/2015) [-]
A WORD!?!?!?!

HOW OPPRESSIVE!!!!
User avatar #45 to #44 - skeletorexplains ONLINE (11/28/2015) [-]
Or the fact they broke some amendments with the whole "Separation of religion and state"?...
#72 to #45 - anon (11/28/2015) [-]
Read our ******* Constitution, you Australian cunt. There is NOTHING about any separation of Church and State. In most states during the 18th and 19th centuries, residents of a state paid taxes to the state's largest church. A single treaty that was voided after less than 5 years, which uses vague and in no way legal language, is what I always see cited on this. Now, religion and government absolutely should not mingle, but there is no LEGAL separation, except for legislation at the Federal level. The entire reason the U.S. has banned the federal government from forming an official church is because of all of the variegated Christian denominations in different states who would not join the Union without the promise of religious freedom.
User avatar #105 to #72 - skeletorexplains ONLINE (11/29/2015) [-]
lol
User avatar #47 to #45 - pebar (11/28/2015) [-]
name one that hasn't been shut down by the courts
User avatar #48 to #47 - skeletorexplains ONLINE (11/28/2015) [-]
Name one..what? Amendments?
User avatar #49 to #48 - pebar (11/28/2015) [-]
you know damn well what I mean
#50 to #49 - skeletorexplains ONLINE (11/28/2015) [-]
Trees?
User avatar #43 to #42 - brobathehutt (11/28/2015) [-]
To be fair the pledge was made to sell the ******* flags anyway so its not like it mattered in the first place, at least the original pledge was pretty neat though.
User avatar #46 to #43 - skeletorexplains ONLINE (11/28/2015) [-]
The original was far superior, the current just sounds like a massive tosser contest.
User avatar #88 to #46 - brobathehutt (11/28/2015) [-]
They're the same pledge outside of 2 words that were added later you dolt.
User avatar #104 to #88 - skeletorexplains ONLINE (11/29/2015) [-]
And? You can't sit there and put America on a Pedestal and say "Oh we'd NEVER do **** like that"

When mother ****** you're ALREADY breaking Amendments LEFT AND ******* RIGHT. America is no better than these countries and somewhere in you, you ******* know it, you twit.
User avatar #108 to #104 - brobathehutt (11/29/2015) [-]
Wrong person bruh
User avatar #38 to #14 - terranrollerskates (11/28/2015) [-]
Dogmatic thinking is the commonality, though. It wasn't that long ago that Bush was selling himself for a presidential election by presenting himself as a wholesome, god-fearing christian. Its a mode of conduct that doesn't have to be exactly as it was in older times, it just needs a new banner with some fresher buzzwords & rallying points. At the end of it, people are acting the same as they were in older theocracies & civilisations of fervent zealotry.

Such useless ***** are all to willing to die or kill for their beliefs, but are they willing to live for them?
#25 to #14 - Stevethewizard (11/28/2015) [-]
That's because there are no modern Christian theocracies.
The instant you merge two powers, they look for ways to consolidate both. If that means wiping out everyone that doesn't believe that the church-state should rule absolutely without any questions asked, they'll do it in a heartbeat.
To properly quote someone whose name I'm too tired to actually look up: "Power tends to corrupt. Absolute power corrupts absolutely."
User avatar #51 to #25 - thesovereigngrave ONLINE (11/28/2015) [-]
Well the Vatican is a sovereign entity, so it's technically a theocracy.
User avatar #15 to #14 - asasqw (11/28/2015) [-]
Key world modern
User avatar #16 to #15 - lmOldGreg ONLINE (11/28/2015) [-]
How many times have you seen someone get executed on the internet and not heard "Allah akbar" after it? You can probably count them on your hand for all the years you've been on the internet. There are no people cutting heads off in the name of Jesus. Say what you like, Islam is barbaric. Europe is importing barbarism.
User avatar #34 to #16 - listerthepessimist (11/28/2015) [-]
depends how often you go looking for mexican cartel videos
#17 to #16 - asasqw (11/28/2015) [-]
Modern
#36 to #17 - politicsnstuff (11/28/2015) [-]
So Christianity has kept up with society but Islam is still stuck in the dark ages?

Is that the point you're trying to make?
#103 to #35 - peterdivine ONLINE (11/28/2015) [-]
In their defense, the Muslims didn't forcibly convert their conquered people after their conquests. That was a Christian mainstay.
Europe : The First Crusade - I: The People's Crusade - Extra History
User avatar #19 to #17 - lmOldGreg ONLINE (11/28/2015) [-]
Oh I see, you're just referencing that you have knowledge of history, but your point was benign.
User avatar #20 to #19 - asasqw (11/28/2015) [-]
No, more that it seems that the major world religion seems to go though a kind of "kill the infidels" phase and the Koran is on the rise
User avatar #21 to #20 - lmOldGreg ONLINE (11/28/2015) [-]
That's not good enough. There should be no justification for what these animals are doing, however illicitly you want to imply it.
#22 to #21 - asasqw (11/28/2015) [-]
Not saying its OK, just that the people you compared them to where as if not more brutal
User avatar #23 to #22 - lmOldGreg ONLINE (11/28/2015) [-]
How can you compare then to now? Do you not see how in an argument where we're both struggling to look for answers, you just going "Oh well they used to do it years ago" is just stupid. I can't even think of why that's stupid, if I say "times have changed" it feels like im being euphamistic.
User avatar #24 to #23 - asasqw (11/28/2015) [-]
I understand times have changed, and the reason the church backed off is since people where sick of the mass corruption and taxation the church imposed. But that took a few hundred years. They are going though their crusading phase now, but may take much longer to become peaceful since the entire religion is based around refusal to change.
#32 to #24 - rainbowblast ONLINE (11/28/2015) [-]
They are not going through their crusading phase now. Based on time they are at about the same point Christianity was 300-400 years ago. The Muslim faith has already done their major religious wars, what's happening now is the result of a few outliers.
User avatar #18 to #17 - lmOldGreg ONLINE (11/28/2015) [-]
I don't think you understood me
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