It's a shame Kishi sucks at writing romance or anything long term, so we never got to see Hinata and Naruto really hit it off until it was right in our faces.
And even then it was, like, boom, hearts and junk. Oh, and here's some kids that I forgot to put the Byakugan on. Oops.
Meh. But as I always say: That's what we have fanfiction for.
Just a shame Kishi didn't toss the reigns off to a better writer, or something, because that show had a lot of potential. Kinda started going down hill after the whole Sasuke Retrieval thing started.
I have to agree with you, actually I don't think the show ever got as good as it was during the chuunin exam, and it DID have lots of potential. One of the only big shonen series that can actually kinda hold a longer series running is One Piece, in my opinion, I really like that universe.
I hear a lot of people **** on it, and I mean I can kinda see why, but man I still really like the characters and it actually dodges a lot of ****** tropes. The art style makes actual fanservice rare, it's more like comically overblown fanservice, and Oda stated that Luffy will not at any point become romantically involved with anyone. It's really good in its own right
and just about anything that is popular will attract hipsters who declare their hate on it to make sure everybody knows they are different and wont conform to the opinions of the majority.
butt still. one piece has some major flaws. but none of them are anywhere as big as the flaws bleach and naruto has. and the overall story is a lot more enjoyable than naruto or bleach.
Of course, you don't make a story that's flawless, especially not such a long one, but all in all I don't recall enjoying a manga for as long as One Piece. Naruto just went ******* stupid, Bleach lost me about halfway through, One Piece I haven't caught up on for a long time, but at the time of reading it (up towards Punk Hazard) I pretty much devoured the story at an alarming pace
one piece is fun...but its repetitive...the comedy is usually enough to keep me going and it does take new turns every now and then. and when it does get going its pretty darn good.
naruto. its enjoyable, i did somewhat skim through the entire anime at one point..but anything involving sasuke or sakura made me want puke, and naruto himself wasnt too strong of a character... and the story itself became incredibly rushed at the second season thing.
bleach. it went full predictable, you could even tell how the fights were going to go depending on what characters were present due to how kubo always draws them doing the same thing in every fight while asspulling some new power ups and such every now and then. the plot itself went to ******** after soul society ark and i myself was more invested in seeing the captains and their crew do things rather than following ichigo and his annoying crew.
and then there are the power fluctations that make no sense whatsoever...
The thing about One Piece is that it makes sense that it's long, it was obvious from the first book that it was gonna be long, he's traveling all the way around the world on the most dangerous route possible, of course it's gonna take while. Both Naruto and Bleach keep their plots artificially alive with the "Everything's good BUT NOW NEW STUFF HAPPENS FOR NO REASON"-thing, ESPECIALLY Bleach when SPOILER: Aizen is defeated and the story keeps going for no reason
i know. and i do understand just about all shonens are aiming to be 1000 episode long dragon ball zs. but one piece always follows the formula of
>luffy goes to island and meets someone who doesnt believe in friendship anymore because boohoo past is evil
>we meet the evil guy who doesnt believe in friendship
>things happen
>luffy says something about friendship to the person who lost fate in friendship
>usually something awesome happens here
>luffy beats the guy who doesnt believe in friendship
>person who lost faith in friendship gets back his faith in friendship
>rince and repeat.
then most characters tend to be unkillable, like that hawkman who survived a nuke to the face for no reason whatsoever(seriously he doesnt even get any speaking roles after that..there was no reason for him to survive)
BUT once it gets going. its darmn good. and despite the friendship trope, oda still makes it work decently.
bleach and naruto...yeah just too many asspulls,stupid characters,stupid plot progression and so on...naruto IS better than bleach..its still watchable.
but bleach...that thing is just utter gargabe these days..only thing worse than it is fairy tail
Yeah Luffy himself is very simple, but the interesting part is how the world turns around him and how he turns into the center of a lot of political issues and such, kinda like a less extreme version of Onepunch Man.
And yeah, I guess Fairy Tail is watchable if it's like your first shonen series, but I literally can't remember anything from it (besides the awful repeated animation and the excessive fanservice)
luffy himself is actually pretty complex yet cliched character...he falls into the savant in combat idiot on everything else. but his philosophies are interesting from time to time. and he does show a lot of intelligence when it counts. but yes main reason luffy is a good protagonist comes from both the crowning moments of awesome( walk to arlongs park) and just the comical effect he has.
one punch man...he is a one trick pony. but its enjoyable read...mainly because i love those over powered character interacts with people who think they are stronger than him stories...
fairy tail..its just god awfull...the "fanservice" is bad. the author has no idea how anatomy of a human female works,making the females look like blow up dolls, friendship punch is WAYY overplayed, the asspull plot devices and such are stupid and the author tries to milk tear jerkers left and right by "killing" off major characters in crowning moments of heartwarming/sad or awesome and then backing away from killing them via more asspulls that make even less sense than the usual asspull power ups he does.
not to mention how the plot got boring, really fast...
And with Fairy Tail I would've just liked to see some kind of rules about how the magic works, it's so generic. It's just "Magic circle BOOM MAGIC" with no rhyme or reason.
The reason I like Onepunch Man is because his superpower is literally to be anticlimactic, and I like that they're not breaking out of that one principle, they're not doing a Superman and suddenly making him weak or anything
yh. superman actually started with the premise of being quite weak...pulling a superman would either mean he becomes a paragon of virtue or gets ******** stronger...
and as for fairy tail...their magical rules are actually better than most magic things..i mean they have certain inviduals who are able to cast certain type of magic and thats it.
its a lot better than stuff like jk rowlings potter series where the magic has no rhyme or reason to what it can do and what it cant do or how it even works.
In Harry Potter they never actually explain magic, but they don't focus on the technicalities of magic either, leaving a lot open for interpretation. The (long!) fanfic Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality has some really interesting approaches to such a universe.
In Harry Potter there's still rhyme and reason, you have to be older and more powerful to cast more powerful magic, and you have to learn how the spell works etc., but it was never explained much, you're just meant to assume the explanation exists as it's indirectly referenced constantly.
In Fairy Tail there's literally nothing about learning magic or studying magic, it's just something you hold your hand out and do.
About Superman, his main schtick used to be that the writers just gave him new powers on a whim. He had the ability to shoot a miniature of himself out his thumb once. Then he sacrificed it in an explosion and he could never do that again.
yeah harry potter has a lot of stuff made up by fans rather than the author. outside of that it was never explained what is possible and what is not,how do spells come to be and what is possible for spells to become, they never explain how wands work or how saying or thinking a set of words will activate.
in fairy tail, there is a learning curve. and its a lot more simplified than potter(again if you are born a mage you have an affinity for something and you can learn to control/use that)outside of that its been shown that magical capacities are increased via physical work out and such.
and superman was actually just a john carter reversal. what you are thinking is silver age superman. most of his stories were whacky,aimed at kids and involved superman getting one time power ups through applied plethonium or plot convenience.
Nope they never explain it, but you don't need every single plot element explained 100%. You don't need to know what was in the suitcase in Pulp Fiction either.
if the characters in pulp fiction would have suddenly been able to fly and create pancakes out of nothing whenever they wanted, i would have wanted an explanation to it.
in harry potter, the central element to which the story is built upon is magic. yet magic is not explained in the least and it keeps getting less consistent and less consistent with each book. by the end of it the amount of magic and magical items that were added solely to solve single issues(liquid luck,time turner) created plot holes the size of a large moon.
There's a difference between having contradictions in plot elements, and just having some plot elements that are explicitly explained. Fan theories offer explanations that fit, rather than retcon already existing plot elements
and there is a world of a difference between explaining a plot element that was poorly explained in canon elements and creating an explanation to an element that was completely missing in the story.
neither am i saying that people who make up fan theories to explain faults in the story are ignorant to the fact that these faults they are trying to fix exist.
so why did you then start defending these faults then?
Because I felt there's a reasonable explanation that's been indirectly addressed through most of the story, even if some elements operate on a deus ex machina level.
Yeah but think of it like this: There are plenty of things you can do with it; You can whine and complain about it, or you can use your thinking cap to figure out ways where it might actually be possible. Sure it's easier to whine and complain but I think it's more fun to figure out interesting theories
out of experience, i can tell you its harder to admit something you like has faults rather than try and create explanations on why these faults do not exist.
also you shouldnt group in valid complaints with "whining"
The flaw in your reasoning is that you assume that making fan theories does not start with the realization that there are flaws or unexplained plot points in a story. Methods of Rationality was spawned from the author's desire to explore that universe in a more structured and scientific manner
and the flaw in your argument is that you believe these fan theories make up for the fact that the original story, or canon story if you will. is lacking in these aspects.
Yeah you've got a point there, it's a consequence of it transitioning from a child's story, JK Rowling never did focus on creating a very consistent universe. Still though, Methods of Rationality is interesting
Look at this picture, where she is first featured.
She clearly has pupils, which is against what you said. She does not have the Byakugan, unless Kishi went and said she did anyways and ignored his own rules. He did say he completely forgot about it, and to be honest it has been said that both children are supposed to have the Byakugan.
I haven't bothered watching "The Last" because it just seems to be another unplanned crap fest with horrible plot holes. Not to mention something about Sakura giving Naruto advise with Hinata or something. Like, it could have been anyone else. Tsunade, Kakashi, or even, hell, Kiba? But no, Sakura had to do it so Kishi could pretend she's still important. <(' '<);
He did kind of drop the entire Byakugan plot line after the Chunin Exams were over. Heck, I don't think we even saw the Byakugan really used after the time skip. All Neji seemed to do was shoot air from his palms and Hinata attacked with some lion-head thing. Oh well.
kinda feel lika a lot of Shonen writer have no clue how to write romantic stories, they think there needs to be one because there always is one... and it kinda pisses me off
Oda took the easy rode with that, and it's one of the reasons why One Piece is popular.
There's no romantic undertone to anyone but, like, Sanji who flirts with every woman he sees. That's just his character and probably always will be. But Oda himself said Luffy is "asexual" or something, so he doesn't feel that sort of attraction towards any female or male. It just doesn't click with him, so romance isn't a main plot.
Still expecting him to get with one of the many girls he has influenced in his wake, such as Boa, but it's such a sub plot that it practically doesn't even exist.
But yeah, I agree that most Shounen have pretty crappy romance themes, but the fan fictions for them more than make up for it. There are so many good Naru/Hina ones out there.
I'll never understand the stories that put Hinata with Sasuke, though. Like, I'm 99% certain that Hinata and Sasuke never exchanged words once. Not once. I do not think they even met eyes.
There were good parts and lots of bad parts, but I feel like Naruto hit its peak with the Pain arc. Nothing after it quite measured up, the plot got lost somewhere, fight scenes turned into DBZ... plus Hinata's confession was about as good romantic writing as Kishi ever did. He managed that one gem, and then they didn't speak to each other for another 80 chapters afterwards. Brutal.
Nothing up to the Pain arc measured up at all. Pain's arc itself, where Naruto's friends and "family" were being slaughtered by the numbers was an amazing arc. Even the fight itself was great, especially in the anime where they added in more scenes to Naruto's Kyuubified form going crazy. But the arc itself still had huge holes that just made it overall un-enjoyable. It was, as you said, just a DBZ fight, yet less epic.
Kishi's writing style is... questionable at best. Really, really questionable. The way he constructs worlds and basic ideas is great, but he is awful at executing them. He's also pretty good at character design, I'll give him that, but not their minds. Almost every Villain in Naruto was just a "Oh, suck it up already" kind of villain. None of them were truly 'Evil' except maybe the last one, since we never got any insight as to why she wanted to do anything.
For romance, though, I have to say Hinata and Naruto's relationship was the most missed plot device I've seen yet. Hell, Naruto's attractive to Sakura was barely addressed. Like, it was never really explored why Naruto liked Sakura at first, and I think Kishi just forgot Naruto didn't have parents to explain what 'dating' is.
The biggest insult, however, was the lack of Hinata at the very end. Even when Naruto was 'dead' and having Sakura by him, thinking she was helping or something, Hinata was just shoved to the side... Literally. She was just shoved by an invisible force and tripped as she ran after him.
The whole romance plot, Madara, and Anko's destruction are Kishi's biggest flaws... Excluding Sasuke living, of course. That flaw speaks for itself.
Oh, and Gai. That was a huge "I forgot my own characters" moment for Kishi. Saying Gai can't use Chakra... when he clearly summoned and de-summoned a turtle when he was introduced. Like, what? How do you forget that? Not to mention the guy was just called a 'Taijutsu Specialist.' If he was that famous and everyone new he couldn't do Jutsu, they would not make fun of Lee at all.
Gai was a pretty good character until the end at least, I'll give you that. Most of the characters were honestly pretty good... but only the ones made before the skip. All the others were kinda weird in some way, like they weren't fully fleshed out.
Towards the end, I'm convinced not even Kishi cared about continuity. I get the feeling he just wanted to end the series, so as the whole Fourth Ninja War thing dragged on it just got sloppier and sloppier until we get to the point where Black Zetsu (!?) was actually behind everything that happened ever. It's just so ridiculous you can't imagine a professional writer thinking this was a good idea. Madara was a great final villain, and he still screwed it up.
Kaguya was hands down the dumbest thing to happen to the series. To replace a villain that was built up to be THE big bad since nearly the beginning of the series and then shoved aside in favor of a character that had at most 3 chapters worth of buildup and with a complete lack of characterization even after her introduction is idiotic at best.
Obito's motivation for turning evil being his pedophilic unrequited love for a 12 year old girl is a close second though
No. but dateline has taught me that a person older than 18, pretending to be 12 or so to make out with another person whos 12 or so, is pedophilia. Like I said, it may not be, pedophilia but still a lil weird.
hinata was too shy when she was 12 and naruto was oblivious to her liking him, them transforming into kids is basically them living their lives as a young couple which they never were, they're not doing it to be pedos, they're doing it bcuz this is what it could have been if hinata wasnt so shy and naruto was oblivious.
Not really. They're married and I really doubt either or them is saying "Man, look at that little boy/girl ass" to themselves. They weren't kissing sexually, but romantically. I think that makes a difference.
They're both the same age, and they're both transformed by ninja magic, so if one of the is a kid, then they both are (which is ok) and if one of them is an adult, then they both are (still ok) So no, it's no paedophilia.
That would only be the case if one was a real kid and the other was a fake kid.
i know im in the minority here but i HATE naruto. i didnt really like anything that happened after naruto fought pain but i still finished it because i spend so many years reading why stop now?
anyway the point i dislike naruto but god damn naruhina is my favorite couple in anything ever. they make me feel good call me a faggot idc
I didn't hate Naruto until Tobi started his "plans" (which were all really ****** and ended only in pain) and that was also around the time I stopped watching. All the information I get now is from my bro, who finished all of Naruto and has a nice laugh at mocking Naruto's terrible writing along with me. The worst part is that the setting is so incredibly awesome and well thought out, and it started off really great with the Zabuza Arc. If it had kept at that pace and with that style of "They go on a mission, wreck **** , come home" along with the Chuunin exams and maybe a bit with Orochimaru ('cus I actually liked Orochimaru as a villain.) then it probably would have been an even better series.
I'm in the same seat, but I don't mind Naruto fanfiction because I think the setting is amazing, I just hate the way kishi wrote the story out. NaruHina is also my all-time favorite pairing, so that helps.
I think the manga is doing a quick Boruto (Naruto and Hinata's son) series, even though it seems to be more focused on Sakura and Sasuke's daughter than Boruto and his shenanigans
Why do people feel compelled to keep the right-to-left order in mangas (as opposed to just mirroring them), but they still write left-to-right? ******* retards.
so you're a normie who doesn't watch that show at all and just felt like you need to download dozens of horse-related reaction images in your reactions folder to use on special occasions (or less likely memorized that image caption and googled it to use it for this post for a reply?)
**zmranger used "*roll picture*"** **zmranger rolled image**
Yes I googled "and then they ****** " and this came up, in-between the usual stuff, but I choose to use something different.