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feelythefeel (08/31/2015) [-] America Thought Trump built the wall to keep the Mexicans out. In truth, Mexico built the wall to keep Trump out.
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heartlessrobot (08/31/2015) [-] Build a really big catapult and launch them back over.
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heartlessrobot (08/31/2015) [-] We could just firebomb mexico sterile. I mean, that would stop the problem flat-out.
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nustix (08/31/2015) [-] This thing called empathy, you might have heard of it. While you were probably born a white citizen of America, there are also people who were not that lucky. And after they fled from a country where they get most likely shot for no reason (think Syria and) take a journey through all of Europe to arrive at their destination and get told that they are illegals.
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blahred (08/31/2015) [-]
I know this will be the unpopular opinion but anyways; I'm an immigrant, came here as a child but go to UCI to major as an aeronautical engineer. I consider myself a Republican since I can agree with their views on handling issues more than what I do with the Democrats, and I'm also subscribed to the NRA and donate money frequently. Now like what Obama just said, we already invested too much money on the young immigrants with DACA and AB540. Literally all the thousands of dollars that the government has given me in financial aid will be wasted. Now, I agree with Trump in many issues, hell even in his immigration policy. But like what they said, not all immigrants are the enemy.
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fukinitech (08/30/2015) [-] yeah, kicking people out of the US would make us look bad and nonprogressive, which has been a big factor recently.
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severepwner (08/31/2015) [-] Ah yes, because breaking immigration laws is known as a moral thing to do.
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fukinitech (08/31/2015) [-] idgaf about morals im down to kick them out but im saying thats why their are people who think its wrong to kick them out because it wouldn't "be right"
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fukinitech (08/31/2015) [-] yall r tripping. people think its wrong morally to kick people out who are already here and make em go back to wherever they came from. thatd be ****** up but whatever happens idc
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alphahelix (08/30/2015) [-] thank you.
"just throw out the illegals". what a short sighted and naive sentiments.
multiple difficult steps with questionable methods, tons of issues, and unpredictable repercussions.
"just throw out the illegals". what a short sighted and naive sentiments.
multiple difficult steps with questionable methods, tons of issues, and unpredictable repercussions.
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captainprincess ONLINE (08/30/2015) [-] Far as I can see the problem might come when what determines an illegal expands or changes to suit the needs of the finger-pointer
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lumpymandude (08/30/2015) [-] absolutely nothing. in fact people that don't think this are all retards
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rockamekishiko (08/30/2015) [-] they don't stay here. they kick illegals out, they don't care if they have kids. This is ******* stupid
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rockamekishiko (08/30/2015) [-] what happened with all that "people should't be accounted for their ancestors errors" and what not you people are always going on about. It's not the kid's fault where they are born.
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menqudoneix (08/30/2015) [-] No, it's not. It's their parents' fault and they hold responsibility for the child, not the state. Allowing instant citizenship to someone born in the US just because they were born in the US is an archaic, over-simplified, heavily exploitable principle that Mexicans have evidently held nothing back in terms of actively taking advantage of, and Trump wants to change that.
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zomaru ONLINE (08/30/2015) [-] It's not the kids fault, it's their parents, who shouldn't be illegally in a foreign country.
After a certain point, you have to stop worrying about semantics, they don't belong here, and if they aren't going to take a citizenship test then they can just leave.
The parents should be trying to make the best life for their kids, not using the kid to make their life easier.
After a certain point, you have to stop worrying about semantics, they don't belong here, and if they aren't going to take a citizenship test then they can just leave.
The parents should be trying to make the best life for their kids, not using the kid to make their life easier.
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rockamekishiko (08/31/2015) [-] citizenship test? you have to go through a ******* of stuff go be a resident first, which costs a lot of money
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hoponthefeelstrain (08/30/2015) [-] what that makes no sense? so then how would other americans born here be considered american? Do I have to have american parents and be born in america to be considered a natural born citizen? Aren't presidents supposed to be natural born citizens too? If we change that rule then a lot of things will change
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astafarianp (08/30/2015) [-]
Good luck amending the constitution. Cause that's what it would take to end Birthright citizenship
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rockamekishiko (08/30/2015) [-] LOL, yes they do. I've know of a few people who have gone through that
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chikibriki (08/30/2015) [-] not where i am
here they basically forclose your house for no reason and then give to a family of illegals on welfare
here they basically forclose your house for no reason and then give to a family of illegals on welfare
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rockamekishiko (08/30/2015) [-] you've probably heard of that happening once, and you think they do it left and right. I've known quite a bit of illegals, they can barely get jobs and afford housing. Also, i was under the belief that you needed papers to receive any sort of welfare
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rockamekishiko (08/30/2015) [-] the convo is stupid. they have been doing the **** that's pictured here for a long time
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sphincterface (08/30/2015) [-] It's considered inhumane, and since there are so many Mexicans legally living in the US, you get a lot of sympathy from them because they know how it was like trying to get the **** out of Mexico, so they get upset when they hear about people trying to come here for a better life and being kicked out. That's what it sounds like on paper usually. Problem is that a lot of illegals do cause trouble, while at the same time others stay quiet, get their papers later on, and live normal lives like it's nobodies business. While I am certainly for giving people a chance for a better life, I am definitely not for letting a massive wave of immigrants in, because that will be difficult to manage.
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chikibriki (08/30/2015) [-] the problem is that while they come here for a better life they make our lives ******
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roneffinswanson (08/30/2015) [-] They're sending people that have lots of problems and they're bringing those problems. They're bringing drugs, they're bringing crime. They're rapists and some, I assume, are good people, but I speak to border guards and they're telling us what we're getting.
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sphincterface (08/30/2015) [-] Yeah, that too. I am trying to be as neutral as possible about this **** . But honestly if you come here for a better life, then great! Good for you! Live a good life here and be happy! But don't do it at other people's expense.
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burytia (08/30/2015) [-] much as i hate trump this is damn true
usa needs to stop illegals timing it so they pop out babies inside usa to stay there
usa needs to stop illegals timing it so they pop out babies inside usa to stay there
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thesecretbear (08/31/2015) [-] Not like a wall will stop them. It would be similar to taking guns away, or trying to stop piracy. Just a simple heavy handed approach to a complex issue.
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burytia (08/31/2015) [-] well that was kinda made clear years ago
homeland security build a fence..mexicans dig a tunnel underground
hell if they tried building a wall to cover above and below ground...mexicans would just start doing evil kineval **** like ramps to jump cars and bikes over or even launching people over with catapults
they wont be stopped by trumps wall
homeland security build a fence..mexicans dig a tunnel underground
hell if they tried building a wall to cover above and below ground...mexicans would just start doing evil kineval **** like ramps to jump cars and bikes over or even launching people over with catapults
they wont be stopped by trumps wall
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anon (08/30/2015) [-]
There are about 5 billion people who are poorer than mexicans world-wide. In the grand scheme of things the majority of the world population would happily trade places with those poor mexicans.
Also if you're going to use that argument to let these people in, then you have to let all the other 5 billion in as well.
America lets in 1million new immigrants every year, to even make a difference you'd have to let in more than 80million immigrants every single year.
Immigration does not improve the world, it just makes it ******** all around.
Also if you're going to use that argument to let these people in, then you have to let all the other 5 billion in as well.
America lets in 1million new immigrants every year, to even make a difference you'd have to let in more than 80million immigrants every single year.
Immigration does not improve the world, it just makes it ******** all around.
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anon (08/30/2015) [-]
So were my ancestors. My Ancestors gave up everything they had and traveled across the ocean to escape persecution and almost died of Starvation, Dehydration, and disease crossing the oceans. You know what they did? They did it legally. These Illegals spit upon my Ancestors. They break the law by merely crossing a river and hopping a fence. Allowing drugs and criminals to hide amongst their ranks as they flood into our country.
By illegally entering this country they are by definition a law breaker. A criminal regardless if they are innocent. Side note only a fool would believe a country can benefit from Open Door immigration policies.
Plus a Mexican lad claiming a couple hundred thousand in life time benefits is a ******* a lot when there is A million of these Mexican lads mowing lawns collecting one hundred thousand. Then again we don't know the exact ammount of illegals in the country because their undocumented. But from the ones that are documented I am gonna say their are a **** ton more.
America thrives off Immigration cause that is what founded it, but recklessly opening the doors and allowing people to come into America like a flowing river is stupid. Back in the early days America roughly let in about 250,000 Immigrants now we let in millions a year. Some people would have more just because their a bleeding heart.
Millions of immigrants that come here looking for Jobs when we have not enough jobs for our own citizens. Getting benefits while our own citizens go without and pay for.
So I rightfully have no sympathy for these people because they are destructive on the American economy, Have no regard for American Law(You can't prove a illegal immigrant does considering just entering the country is a act of breaking the law. HENCE ILLEGAL), and they Spit on the struggles mine and many citizens of the USA Ancestors went through to escape tyranny and make it into the land of the free.
TL;DR **** your dumb logic. Remove kebab.
By illegally entering this country they are by definition a law breaker. A criminal regardless if they are innocent. Side note only a fool would believe a country can benefit from Open Door immigration policies.
Plus a Mexican lad claiming a couple hundred thousand in life time benefits is a ******* a lot when there is A million of these Mexican lads mowing lawns collecting one hundred thousand. Then again we don't know the exact ammount of illegals in the country because their undocumented. But from the ones that are documented I am gonna say their are a **** ton more.
America thrives off Immigration cause that is what founded it, but recklessly opening the doors and allowing people to come into America like a flowing river is stupid. Back in the early days America roughly let in about 250,000 Immigrants now we let in millions a year. Some people would have more just because their a bleeding heart.
Millions of immigrants that come here looking for Jobs when we have not enough jobs for our own citizens. Getting benefits while our own citizens go without and pay for.
So I rightfully have no sympathy for these people because they are destructive on the American economy, Have no regard for American Law(You can't prove a illegal immigrant does considering just entering the country is a act of breaking the law. HENCE ILLEGAL), and they Spit on the struggles mine and many citizens of the USA Ancestors went through to escape tyranny and make it into the land of the free.
TL;DR **** your dumb logic. Remove kebab.
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bobtombobbob (08/30/2015) [-] The only standards for immigrating to the US back then were,
Not retarded
White
Not sick
Not retarded
White
Not sick
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commontroll (08/30/2015) [-] Not really, during the Civil War they'd only let you in if you fought for the Union, aka the bloodiest war in American history (as far as American casualties go) and the Union had far more casualties than the Confederacy did. If you fought and lived, congratulations Mickey, you're an American now! Go get killed building a railroad or working a factory.
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thegrimpoe (08/31/2015) [-] >ancestors
lol so because your family did it they don't have a right based on a country who wants to discourage immigration
>disgracing ancestors
should they commit Sudoku?
>a couple hundred thousand
[citation needed, badly]
also do you know that the government loans you benefits on the basis that you pay into it via taxes, and illegals don't get them because they aren't registered, think of going to the dmv without any documents, you aren't getting ****
>open door is bad
at the extremes it is bad, but devoloped coutries have less babies, in truth USA needs mexicos babies to pay for SS, Japan has this problem where they have a huge amount of elders and almost no babies, Sweden has this too, which is why they have so many immigrants. Russia and Italy also have this and have no solutions for it. America gets a natural flow of immigrants so the problem is remedied.
lol so because your family did it they don't have a right based on a country who wants to discourage immigration
>disgracing ancestors
should they commit Sudoku?
>a couple hundred thousand
[citation needed, badly]
also do you know that the government loans you benefits on the basis that you pay into it via taxes, and illegals don't get them because they aren't registered, think of going to the dmv without any documents, you aren't getting ****
>open door is bad
at the extremes it is bad, but devoloped coutries have less babies, in truth USA needs mexicos babies to pay for SS, Japan has this problem where they have a huge amount of elders and almost no babies, Sweden has this too, which is why they have so many immigrants. Russia and Italy also have this and have no solutions for it. America gets a natural flow of immigrants so the problem is remedied.
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xsap (08/31/2015) [-] you do know that low birthrates are caused by bad economy right? when people had jobs and everyone made a good living the birthrates was high (60's-70's) as the economy got bad the birthrate went down with it because its harder to take care of a kid. this is only in first world country's. in 3rd world country's where they have almost nothing to eat, its the opposite, the birthrate is almost 4x higher because the chances of your kids dying is like 1 out of 4.
The more people you import from 3rd world country's the more your country slowly turns into the 3rd world ******** they crawled out of and that's a fact. because they bring their ideology, politics and beliefs with them. i guarantee you that over 90% of the Muslims living in Europe hate the government and hate the western culture and would love to make it like the place they ran from.
and don't compare the first american immigrants to these immigrants. these immigrants are opportunists with the "gibmedat" mentality. you might have heard of "give me liberty or give me death" yea, it was said by the immigrants because when they came here they had nothing and they came into nothing, they had to create their own government, build homes from scratch, die of starvation and disease and fight to build what we have today. these immigrants job the border or get on a plane, show up and demand free stuff, free food, house, healthcare, education for their 8-9 kids meanwhile a american citizen with 1 kid working 50 hours a week has to take care of them. in what universe is that OK?
P.S. by your logic, Sweden imports Somalians and other sub-Saharan 65 IQ having Africans into their country to fix the birthrates? degeneracy, oh well sweden is going to be a 3rd wotld country in 14-15 years anyway, maybe that'll be a wake up call for the world
The more people you import from 3rd world country's the more your country slowly turns into the 3rd world ******** they crawled out of and that's a fact. because they bring their ideology, politics and beliefs with them. i guarantee you that over 90% of the Muslims living in Europe hate the government and hate the western culture and would love to make it like the place they ran from.
and don't compare the first american immigrants to these immigrants. these immigrants are opportunists with the "gibmedat" mentality. you might have heard of "give me liberty or give me death" yea, it was said by the immigrants because when they came here they had nothing and they came into nothing, they had to create their own government, build homes from scratch, die of starvation and disease and fight to build what we have today. these immigrants job the border or get on a plane, show up and demand free stuff, free food, house, healthcare, education for their 8-9 kids meanwhile a american citizen with 1 kid working 50 hours a week has to take care of them. in what universe is that OK?
P.S. by your logic, Sweden imports Somalians and other sub-Saharan 65 IQ having Africans into their country to fix the birthrates? degeneracy, oh well sweden is going to be a 3rd wotld country in 14-15 years anyway, maybe that'll be a wake up call for the world
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thegrimpoe (08/31/2015) [-] seriously that article is garbage
look at these predictions
www.wired.com/insights/2014/12/power-to-the-people/
only a couple are even close to true, and this is for 1 year, you think the people of 2000 could predict in 2001 9/11 would happen and the consequences of it would completely run the Us budget into a massive deficit?
I assure you, no one did
and honestly, sweden is just going to ignore the problem of immigrants and let themselves become a 3rd world country right, they completely ineffective at lawmaking, you know the thing a country does. in 15 years, they aren't going to do anything, just nothing
look at these predictions
www.wired.com/insights/2014/12/power-to-the-people/
only a couple are even close to true, and this is for 1 year, you think the people of 2000 could predict in 2001 9/11 would happen and the consequences of it would completely run the Us budget into a massive deficit?
I assure you, no one did
and honestly, sweden is just going to ignore the problem of immigrants and let themselves become a 3rd world country right, they completely ineffective at lawmaking, you know the thing a country does. in 15 years, they aren't going to do anything, just nothing
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thegrimpoe (08/31/2015) [-] birthrate is directly correlated with economic status, not who, where, or why you are there. Poor people have more babies, so when they move here the kids get an education and can make more money and have less kids than their parents because they make more
>citing a fox news equivalent news article
ishyddt. memes aside it does burden your system but it will never reduce the quality of living unless taxes are raised abysmally, you would just run a high deficit like the US
And i wasn't comparing them, the 1st guy was, and i was criticizing him because he thinks his ancestors are being disgraced. I meant that laws don't really give a right, because laws change, and just because a country doesn't want you to be here doesn't mean you don't have the right to oppurtunity. See Cherokee v Georgia for his "ancestors rights"
Sweden does have a decreasing birthrate, and they are economically prosperous enough to support an immigrant influx. And seriously /pol/ logic? they have low iqs because they come from places without schools not because they're subhuman, humanity hasn't evolved much, people on an average are just as smart in the past as they are now, and that includes those "degenerates"
>citing a fox news equivalent news article
ishyddt. memes aside it does burden your system but it will never reduce the quality of living unless taxes are raised abysmally, you would just run a high deficit like the US
And i wasn't comparing them, the 1st guy was, and i was criticizing him because he thinks his ancestors are being disgraced. I meant that laws don't really give a right, because laws change, and just because a country doesn't want you to be here doesn't mean you don't have the right to oppurtunity. See Cherokee v Georgia for his "ancestors rights"
Sweden does have a decreasing birthrate, and they are economically prosperous enough to support an immigrant influx. And seriously /pol/ logic? they have low iqs because they come from places without schools not because they're subhuman, humanity hasn't evolved much, people on an average are just as smart in the past as they are now, and that includes those "degenerates"
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commontroll (08/31/2015) [-] US actually is the best off as far as western nations go with its birthrate. But we do need to get people to feel like it's ultimately a benefit to have kids.
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thegrimpoe (08/31/2015) [-] yes thats what i said, the rich white populace's birthrate is decreasing, so the immigrants high birth rate bolsters it
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commontroll (08/31/2015) [-] They really don't, in fact it's a problem for America because that means more welfare babies. If there weren't immigrants having ********* of babies we wouldn't be paying nearly as much taxes to support them, imagine if in general the welfare programs were taken out of place, how much money that would save taxpayers. Those new funds would make it far more possible to be able to financially support kids.
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thegrimpoe (08/31/2015) [-] its not about welfare you pleb, if everyone is old, who can work and take care of the old people. Japan is literally creating nursing robots for hospitals because they don't have enough people in the young generation.
Also if you think the economy gets ****** by underemployment, wait till you have too many jobs for what you need to do as a country and a bunch of old people on medicare, living longer and not working
ps medicare is 42% of the budget welfare is like >10%
Also if you think the economy gets ****** by underemployment, wait till you have too many jobs for what you need to do as a country and a bunch of old people on medicare, living longer and not working
ps medicare is 42% of the budget welfare is like >10%
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commontroll (09/01/2015) [-] Honestly though, once the Baby boomers die out we won't have that issue any more. Right now the best business to get invested in would be the funeral homes/cemetery/crematorium business.
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thegrimpoe (09/01/2015) [-] theyre not going to die for a while, and the population need to support their social secrutiy creates another population to sustain their ss, its self replicating
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thegrimpoe (09/01/2015) [-] yeah but that means no more social securtiy and middle class suburbanites don't want that, so their representitives would never disbarr it.
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samoaspider (08/30/2015) [-] imagine.
you have a loaf of bread. only one. its a big bread so it'll last a while for you. you find a beggar. out of guilt of being too rich you give half of your bread to the beggar.
the beggar thanks you, and comes back 5 minutes later with his beggar friend. out of guilt you're going to give half of the remaining bread you have. the 2nd beggar is disappointed but accepts.
10 minutes later the beggars come back with a mini-van full of beggars and forcibly take away your last small piece of bread, punch you and **** on you while you're on the ground.
You have no bread left. the beggars are still not happy. you've became a beggar yourself. Good times create weak people. weak people create bad times. bad times requires strong people who take charge.
tl;dr - america IS turning into a third world country with ******* up its own economy because of "gibsmedat" lazy assholes living off from work people.
you have a loaf of bread. only one. its a big bread so it'll last a while for you. you find a beggar. out of guilt of being too rich you give half of your bread to the beggar.
the beggar thanks you, and comes back 5 minutes later with his beggar friend. out of guilt you're going to give half of the remaining bread you have. the 2nd beggar is disappointed but accepts.
10 minutes later the beggars come back with a mini-van full of beggars and forcibly take away your last small piece of bread, punch you and **** on you while you're on the ground.
You have no bread left. the beggars are still not happy. you've became a beggar yourself. Good times create weak people. weak people create bad times. bad times requires strong people who take charge.
tl;dr - america IS turning into a third world country with ******* up its own economy because of "gibsmedat" lazy assholes living off from work people.
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thegrimpoe (08/30/2015) [-] by your anology for every working man their are atleast 3 more homeless
meanwhile in the real world their are only 10% homeless people. and 1% of people have 99% of the ******* bread and what the half of your bread is a crumb from their bread
meanwhile in the real world their are only 10% homeless people. and 1% of people have 99% of the ******* bread and what the half of your bread is a crumb from their bread
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samoaspider (08/30/2015) [-] the analogy cannot be used as accurate statistics as its literally made up to explain things so even a pre-schooler would understand
I also assumed anyone reading this would relate the word "beggar" with the word "immigrant" and lazy ***** in the ghetto who live off from welfare
I also assumed anyone reading this would relate the word "beggar" with the word "immigrant" and lazy ***** in the ghetto who live off from welfare
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thegrimpoe (08/31/2015) [-] >white 15 year old conservative middle class male using a computer his parents bought him
you try living off of wealthfare, tell me how easy it is. It sure is the best, I mean how could it not! its free money! not like you have to be in the absolute bottom to even get it
you try living off of wealthfare, tell me how easy it is. It sure is the best, I mean how could it not! its free money! not like you have to be in the absolute bottom to even get it
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samoaspider (08/31/2015) [-] I'm using a laptop I bought with my own funds while doing security work asides from my free college education here in europe.
Yes, people who have hit rock bottom can get welfare but the people who haven't reached the bottom and simply refuse to go to work also get welfare.
if you boil a potato, it goes soft. if you boil an egg, it hardens. people need to learn how to stop being lazy ***** and toughen up. get a grip on life and be independant.
Yes, people who have hit rock bottom can get welfare but the people who haven't reached the bottom and simply refuse to go to work also get welfare.
if you boil a potato, it goes soft. if you boil an egg, it hardens. people need to learn how to stop being lazy ***** and toughen up. get a grip on life and be independant.
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thegrimpoe (08/31/2015) [-] wow you bought a laptop, that means you already make more than immigrants in your bottom tier job, i hate to say it but thats what white privilege is.
again TRY LIVING OFF OF WELFARE WITH NO JOB its not the easy life its ****
to get 95$ a day, the highest amount, you need to be FULLY enrolled in college, a women, and have two children. And this is a statistic from someone who criticizes the system so it's higher than the average. that's all you get for food, rent and school supplies for 3 people
again TRY LIVING OFF OF WELFARE WITH NO JOB its not the easy life its ****
to get 95$ a day, the highest amount, you need to be FULLY enrolled in college, a women, and have two children. And this is a statistic from someone who criticizes the system so it's higher than the average. that's all you get for food, rent and school supplies for 3 people
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samoaspider (08/31/2015) [-] as a single man its possible to live off from minimum wage without a problem (2.50€/hr here).
I paid 100€ for my used laptop because I'm not an idiot who runs to stores to buy fancy new things for my measly *********** needs. in 3 years every 1000€ piece of equipment looses its value to 100€. thats how market works.
who the **** told you that I get 95$ a day? I've been busting my ass off with work that gives me only 20€ for 8 hrs of work, aka 1 workday (u.s.a currency 22,38$)
nowhere I wrote that I have a wife to feed, nowhere I wrote I'm an idiot who would make babies without even having a steady income first note that even if I were to have atleast one child while I'd be earning minimum then it would mean my imaginary wife would also have to get a job. .
wtf are you raging about, child? are you saying its hard to sit at home, collecting goverment money and living humble life OR going out there and working for any ****** job is too much privilege and should be avoided at all costs?
I paid 100€ for my used laptop because I'm not an idiot who runs to stores to buy fancy new things for my measly *********** needs. in 3 years every 1000€ piece of equipment looses its value to 100€. thats how market works.
who the **** told you that I get 95$ a day? I've been busting my ass off with work that gives me only 20€ for 8 hrs of work, aka 1 workday (u.s.a currency 22,38$)
nowhere I wrote that I have a wife to feed, nowhere I wrote I'm an idiot who would make babies without even having a steady income first note that even if I were to have atleast one child while I'd be earning minimum then it would mean my imaginary wife would also have to get a job. .
wtf are you raging about, child? are you saying its hard to sit at home, collecting goverment money and living humble life OR going out there and working for any ****** job is too much privilege and should be avoided at all costs?
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thegrimpoe (08/31/2015) [-] you are complaining about welfare, i don't care what you live off of
im saying that the highest welfare isn't even that much since you support 3 and have to go to college anyway, so you'll get off when you leave.
Why do you think im accusing you of anything?
im saying that the highest welfare isn't even that much since you support 3 and have to go to college anyway, so you'll get off when you leave.
Why do you think im accusing you of anything?
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bakagaijin (08/31/2015) [-]
Exept most immigrants don't apply for public assistance for fear of getting caught... I mean, they won't even open a door for the census
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distortedflare ONLINE (08/30/2015) [-] Holy **** people are taking this comment serious? Sorry I should have put a bait sign at the side. Sorry about that I was mostly just taking the piss. But nice to know you guys have independent thought.
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anon (08/30/2015) [-]
It's what's happening to Sweden now. The US is much larger than Sweden, but Sweden's government wants to continue the influx of immigration even though they don't have enough housing (so people are literally living on the streets) and most of those people don't have working skills so they go on wellfare. Well, who's paying for the wellfare? The regular, working Swedish citizens who are already paying massive amounts into benefits through taxes.
Sweden CANNOT support all these immigrants. At the same time crime has risen drastically in the country yet no one will touch the subject because they fear being called racists.
Greece is also dealing with mass immigration with a struggling economy. It won't help anyone if the first world falls economically.
Sweden CANNOT support all these immigrants. At the same time crime has risen drastically in the country yet no one will touch the subject because they fear being called racists.
Greece is also dealing with mass immigration with a struggling economy. It won't help anyone if the first world falls economically.
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greyhoundfd (08/31/2015) [-] There is a difference between allowing these people to stay in the country and actively shipping more in. On top of this, the United States has enough available housing to more than accommodate its homeless and immigrant population, and it has enough food to feed and supply over one billion people. Statistically, the United States actually produces 400% of its consumption in agriculture and aquaculture.
What arguments against immigration amount to is "I unquestioningly believe the narrative that the United States is on the verge of collapse due to resource failure and, despite the fact that we have had an enormous number of immigrants for years with no problems, I believe that if we don't do something about this problem immediately then our country will face collapse from... stuff.
What arguments against immigration amount to is "I unquestioningly believe the narrative that the United States is on the verge of collapse due to resource failure and, despite the fact that we have had an enormous number of immigrants for years with no problems, I believe that if we don't do something about this problem immediately then our country will face collapse from... stuff.
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containlettersonly (09/02/2015) [-] 3rd world people who don't assimiliate bring 3rd world problems.
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greyhoundfd (09/02/2015) [-] Yes, "who don't assimilate". But these anti-immigration politicians in the US are ignoring that the vast, vast majority of US immigrants are assimilating, and their solutions don't involve encouraging them to assimilate, they involve shipping them all off without even attempting.
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containlettersonly (09/02/2015) [-] 
An honest conversation about his immigration plan, it's a bit of a watch but it explains all of this better than a few sentences here really can.
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greyhoundfd (09/02/2015) [-] ***** , this is a 2 hour long video. Do you actually expect me to watch this?
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containlettersonly (09/02/2015) [-] Well here are some bullet points.
Illegals make up a gigantic portion of welfare recipients
Cost the economy tons of money
Drive down Wages
Bring diseases that were virtually extinct in the US
And no, the vast majority aren't assimilated.
Illegals make up a gigantic portion of welfare recipients
Cost the economy tons of money
Drive down Wages
Bring diseases that were virtually extinct in the US
And no, the vast majority aren't assimilated.
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greyhoundfd (09/02/2015) [-] - I find that difficult to believe, given that you have to specifically apply for welfare. At the very worst, this can be solved simply by requiring a form of ID to collect welfare
-How? Additional members of the population working and purchasing products should be increasing the amount of money in the economy.
-This makes sense, but only really in very low-level positions, which are already generally at and subject to the minimum wage. It's not like illegals are taking senior research positions at major firms, they're generally taking very low-key jobs which are insusceptible to audits.
-I, again, find this hard to believe. The only case where I can think this might be true is with the 2011/2012 swine flu outbreak (At least, I think it was 2011/2012). Apart from that, increasing rates of disease can generally be attributed to lower rates of vaccination.
-I can possibly see this as being true, but I'd like some confirmation of it from a reputable source. They might have given that in the video, I don't know, but I'd like it. The thing to remember is that:
1) Mexico is not like the Middle-East. The cultures of the southern US and Mexico are fairly similar, separated mainly due to language barriers.
2) Mexico is a hellhole, and there isn't very much tying Mexicans to their home country. Yes, they speak Spanish, but Spanish is already widely spoken in the United States. Unlike Muslims in Europe, they don't have a unique religion to tie them to their home country, and the politics of Mexico itself is hellish if not downright dictatorial.
-How? Additional members of the population working and purchasing products should be increasing the amount of money in the economy.
-This makes sense, but only really in very low-level positions, which are already generally at and subject to the minimum wage. It's not like illegals are taking senior research positions at major firms, they're generally taking very low-key jobs which are insusceptible to audits.
-I, again, find this hard to believe. The only case where I can think this might be true is with the 2011/2012 swine flu outbreak (At least, I think it was 2011/2012). Apart from that, increasing rates of disease can generally be attributed to lower rates of vaccination.
-I can possibly see this as being true, but I'd like some confirmation of it from a reputable source. They might have given that in the video, I don't know, but I'd like it. The thing to remember is that:
1) Mexico is not like the Middle-East. The cultures of the southern US and Mexico are fairly similar, separated mainly due to language barriers.
2) Mexico is a hellhole, and there isn't very much tying Mexicans to their home country. Yes, they speak Spanish, but Spanish is already widely spoken in the United States. Unlike Muslims in Europe, they don't have a unique religion to tie them to their home country, and the politics of Mexico itself is hellish if not downright dictatorial.
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containlettersonly (09/02/2015) [-] Not to mention they are artificially inflating the number of democrats in this country
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greyhoundfd (09/02/2015) [-] Eh, no. I realize that Republicans like to go on and on about voter fraud being incredibly common, but the fact is that it's really not, and there are exceptionally few, if any, cases of illegal immigrants voting.
Of course, if you're referring to legal immigrants, then you're just being ***** . The fact that one group of people tends to vote for one group is not a reason to prevent them from having a better life in this country, it's a reason that the Republican party should focus on marketing themselves to immigrants' values.
Of course, if you're referring to legal immigrants, then you're just being ***** . The fact that one group of people tends to vote for one group is not a reason to prevent them from having a better life in this country, it's a reason that the Republican party should focus on marketing themselves to immigrants' values.
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containlettersonly (09/02/2015) [-] Didn't say anything about fraud, suffice to say, you're wrong. Plain wrong and the facts prove it.
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containlettersonly (09/02/2015) [-] I linked you that video, he provides sources and evidence to show why this is such a big problem.
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greyhoundfd (09/02/2015) [-] Well, to cover the first point (I'm just getting started going through sources) , these "public benefits" that he discusses, aren't welfare as in "direct payments", they are welfare as in "access to public education" or "access to public fire and police services" or "use of public housing". And, in fact, one of the sources that he links very specifically says that immigrants as a whole use much less of the public welfare fund than low-income native-born Americans.
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greyhoundfd (09/02/2015) [-] Are you telling me that illegal immigrants do not possess a Right to Life?
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greyhoundfd (09/02/2015) [-] So, what, if Jamal breaks into Mr Espinosa's house, the police should make sure he's a resident before they send someone to save him?
Do you even recognize how many shades of ********* that is?
Do you even recognize how many shades of ********* that is?
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distortedflare ONLINE (08/31/2015) [-] I know convincing but just because most of funnyjunk. Are one minded and when they get caught out say they were joking does not mean we all do. Hell I stick by most of my claims regardless if they get downvoted to **** . In this case I was half pissed at people being dick heads about immigrants and decided to over exaggerate for a bit of fun. And look what happened people went ******* ******* .
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bakagaijin (08/31/2015) [-]
True but you gotta remember that most people on public assistance are american citizen... 95% of illegal immigrants don't even apply for it for fear of getting caught...what pisses me off is not aliens living in the United states, but those ******* living off of public assistance and ******* driving BMW... I mean I ******* walk by a project and I see more luxury cars than in a gated community!! Most illegals are not lazy... you never hear the saying "working like an americaņ" you always hear "they're working me like a mexican"
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greyhoundfd (08/31/2015) [-] Except the United States doesn't have "one loaf of bread", it has many thousands of loves of bread. In fact, it has enough bread to feed over one billion people.
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anon (08/30/2015) [-]
Letting those people over the boarder is what will make us a third world country you ******* idiot. And i dont think Mexico will be so kind when they see us crawling over the boarder for hospitality. In fact, we have too much dignity to abandon our country. I rather die then cross that boarder and admit defeat to the mexicans.
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thegrimpoe (08/31/2015) [-] thats why you have children, they have a greater chance of success
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ihateeverybodytoo (08/30/2015) [-] illegals are 3.52% of the population but are 39% of the prison population. **** them they need to leave.
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thegrimpoe (08/31/2015) [-] thats because theyre jailed for the crime of being illegal, not actually being criminals
it's one of the factors for prison over crowding, like mandatory sentences for possession of marijuana
it's one of the factors for prison over crowding, like mandatory sentences for possession of marijuana
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KazumaKyu (08/31/2015) [-] So let's just disregard your first sentence entirely. See if they're in jail for the crime of being illegally in the country... they are criminals. That's the definition of that word.
People guilty of the crime of being here illegal should be shipped the **** out. Where? **** if I care. Honestly jail is almost a reward at that point.
"You're here when you shouldn't be here and we don't want you here but we're gonna let you stay and also take care of every single one of your expenses as well as provide food and shelter."
How about instead we make up a "where in the world do we send this ************ " dart board and just fly them the hell out when we find them. Give 'em a parachute and kick 'em out the door when flying above their 'destination'.
People guilty of the crime of being here illegal should be shipped the **** out. Where? **** if I care. Honestly jail is almost a reward at that point.
"You're here when you shouldn't be here and we don't want you here but we're gonna let you stay and also take care of every single one of your expenses as well as provide food and shelter."
How about instead we make up a "where in the world do we send this ************ " dart board and just fly them the hell out when we find them. Give 'em a parachute and kick 'em out the door when flying above their 'destination'.
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KazumaKyu (08/31/2015) [-] I was mostly exaggerating about the dart board thing. Still, as long as we didn't drop too many people off at any one particular 'site' I doubt anyone would really notice. Also it's harder to just sneak your way back into the country when you've been dropped off in some random field in Sweden.
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KazumaKyu (08/31/2015) [-] Meh. Honestly it's hard to hate them for wanting to live here. I do understand that. But for god's sake have some kind of respect for the country you want to live in and don't break our laws the moment you set foot on our soil. I'm sure the immigration process really is not a walk in the park, but frankly? Tough **** . You wanna live here where we deal with our ****** up bureaucratic nonsense and the crazy old people who run everything and refuse to die or just go away? Immigration is a crash-course test to see if you can deal with that **** .
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thegrimpoe (08/31/2015) [-] thats actually more expensive actually, and murder is the most expensive, lethal injections cost 32000 just for one person(I still favor the death penalty)
so what you've done is create nazi germany 2.0, imposed huge sanctions from europe and made prisons more expensive, as well as massive dissent from immigrants, liberals, and almost any non extremist.
plus wherever we dump them the surrounding countries will hate us
so what you've done is create nazi germany 2.0, imposed huge sanctions from europe and made prisons more expensive, as well as massive dissent from immigrants, liberals, and almost any non extremist.
plus wherever we dump them the surrounding countries will hate us
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KazumaKyu (08/31/2015) [-] I was mostly exaggerating with the dart board and flying them out, but I do think deportation is a necessary action. You can't just ignore laws. These people come to our country and they want to live here. Okay, that's acceptable and understandable. Buuut they don't want to go through the trouble of actually becoming a legal citizen.
Full Stop
Immigration probably isn't easy and I know for sure it isn't fast, but seriously? ******* deal with it. If you can't be arsed to go through the legal process, obviously you don't want to live here badly enough. Also it prepares you for the bureaucratic ******** the country as a whole puts up with on a regular basis.
Full Stop
Immigration probably isn't easy and I know for sure it isn't fast, but seriously? ******* deal with it. If you can't be arsed to go through the legal process, obviously you don't want to live here badly enough. Also it prepares you for the bureaucratic ******** the country as a whole puts up with on a regular basis.
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thegrimpoe (08/31/2015) [-] if you wanted an ivy league education you have two options
apply and be one of the 5.9% accepted
or you could walk in and learn, but commit a "crime"
its way harder to be legal. the other 94.1% really really want to be here, thats why they risk being arrested
apply and be one of the 5.9% accepted
or you could walk in and learn, but commit a "crime"
its way harder to be legal. the other 94.1% really really want to be here, thats why they risk being arrested
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KazumaKyu (08/31/2015) [-] Okay and? Yes it's harder to be legal. Again, tough **** . It's harder to buy something from the store than to just up and snatch it. Obviously we should all start stealing things since apparently we just can't be arsed to do things the right way instead of the easy way.
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thegrimpoe (08/31/2015) [-] if only 6% get in to harvard, the other 96% cant get in if the other 96% can't get it they will try to get in by other means deportaion will not deport them, and stealing is a construct, is it wrong to steal when starving? That question has no answer because its weighted, it qualifies the crime, making it less unethical because they're not wrong for trying to live and it seems cruel to withhold food to the starving.
Also, again the law is not always right, thats what judges are for, they judge whether the crime should be punished. They can also be wrong see brown v edu or any of the many overturned supreme court decisions. Don't make morality decisions based on what the military complex tells you too
Also, again the law is not always right, thats what judges are for, they judge whether the crime should be punished. They can also be wrong see brown v edu or any of the many overturned supreme court decisions. Don't make morality decisions based on what the military complex tells you too
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thegrimpoe (08/31/2015) [-] see >>#304 that only exacerbates it, think of the outcry at ferguson
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thegrimpoe (08/31/2015) [-] wtf are you talking about? illegals don't want to kill us they want to be us
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thegrimpoe (08/31/2015) [-] are you just gonna leave festering piles of corpses lying around, no you have to pay for that, pay for the mass grave, hire more guard and police for the prison, borderm and riots in cities. Overall, it's not ever going to be 1$ head
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thegrimpoe (09/01/2015) [-] you clearly have a feeble understanding of logistics so i wont bother explaining further
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thegrimpoe (09/01/2015) [-] then you are killing like 5 in a million over the course of weeks, hitler would be dissapoint
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ihateeverybodytoo (08/31/2015) [-] no they are in prison for crime. for instance they committed 25,064 of 115,717 of the murders from 2003 to 2009 or more than 21% of the murders.
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thegrimpoe (08/31/2015) [-] [citation needed]
i'm talking about the camps they detain illegals in, not criminals, are you sure your source accounts for that proportion?
i'm talking about the camps they detain illegals in, not criminals, are you sure your source accounts for that proportion?
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thegrimpoe (09/01/2015) [-] you need to take statistics, that data is on immigrants, from mexicans to venuezuelans, of course they make up a majority, they are right next to us. in your own article it shows that only 1% of the crimes, not even of the arrested immigrants, are murders. All your statistic shows that we put a lot of mexicans in jail, up to 29%
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ihateeverybodytoo (09/01/2015) [-] read the article
Or look at the total number of homicides in those years. Per the FBI, there were 67,642 murders in the U.S. from 2005 through 2008, and 115,717 from 2003 through 2009. Per the GAO, criminal aliens committed 25,064 of them. That means they committed 22% to 37% of all murders in the U.S., while being only 3.52% to 8.25% of the population.
Conclusion: criminal and illegal aliens commit murder at much higher rates than all inhabitants of the U.S. – at least 3 to 10 times higher.
Or look at the total number of homicides in those years. Per the FBI, there were 67,642 murders in the U.S. from 2005 through 2008, and 115,717 from 2003 through 2009. Per the GAO, criminal aliens committed 25,064 of them. That means they committed 22% to 37% of all murders in the U.S., while being only 3.52% to 8.25% of the population.
Conclusion: criminal and illegal aliens commit murder at much higher rates than all inhabitants of the U.S. – at least 3 to 10 times higher.
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thegrimpoe (09/01/2015) [-] well its really that our prison populace is made from 3.52-8.3% not that they are 29% of the murder population. That statistic accounts for only arrests, not the true proportions.
Also your source is the conservative equivalent of gawker, i'd trust wikipedia more
Also your source is the conservative equivalent of gawker, i'd trust wikipedia more
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ihateeverybodytoo (09/02/2015) [-] the article explains it if you choose to just ignore it that's your problem. The table shows that they committed 25,064 murders in that time which is 21% of the of the murders.
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thegrimpoe (09/02/2015) [-] the article is biased and untrustworthy, would you trust an article from msnbc? or from stopdeportionnow . org?
i would accept it even on fox news but the site is biased and tries to manipulate the facts
as Mark Twain said "There is lies, damned lies, and statistics" meaning you can twist facts into lies by how you present them
i would accept it even on fox news but the site is biased and tries to manipulate the facts
as Mark Twain said "There is lies, damned lies, and statistics" meaning you can twist facts into lies by how you present them
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ihateeverybodytoo (09/02/2015) [-] you don't have to trust the article, you ******* moron. you just have to follow their reasoning. no matter how you try to spin it 25,064 is 21% of the murders from 2003-2009. it's basic math.
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ihateeverybodytoo (09/01/2015) [-] right but they are 21% of the murders from 2003 to 2009.
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burytia (08/30/2015) [-] dude....you need a gallon drum of butthurt medication
not every migrant who pops out a baby is worth keeping in the country and not every migrant gives a **** about the baby past using it to anchor them in a new country
some of the anchor baby moms are involved with criminal powers and use anchor babies to make sure they can stay in the country long enough to get set up as a branch of the crime gangs power base
yeah its bad to go either extreme to either allow them or outright deny them, but denying them is kinda better than having people need to specially keep an eye on the movements of every anchor baby mom for months to check if shes legit or criminal
for the kebabs flooding europe...well one could say thats because they want to live in places that america isnt bombing and occupying with armed soldiers....but that should be america cutting that **** out, not forcing more kebabs to flee their homes
and for the nignogs flooding up from africa...theyre making their own homes **** ...why not fix that instead of them invading europe
not every migrant who pops out a baby is worth keeping in the country and not every migrant gives a **** about the baby past using it to anchor them in a new country
some of the anchor baby moms are involved with criminal powers and use anchor babies to make sure they can stay in the country long enough to get set up as a branch of the crime gangs power base
yeah its bad to go either extreme to either allow them or outright deny them, but denying them is kinda better than having people need to specially keep an eye on the movements of every anchor baby mom for months to check if shes legit or criminal
for the kebabs flooding europe...well one could say thats because they want to live in places that america isnt bombing and occupying with armed soldiers....but that should be america cutting that **** out, not forcing more kebabs to flee their homes
and for the nignogs flooding up from africa...theyre making their own homes **** ...why not fix that instead of them invading europe
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bioconstriculative (08/30/2015) [-]
Just because Mexico is a **** hole run by cartels doesn't mean the US has to keep accepting all these illegals. Why not? Because they add nothing to the country except more welfare recipients who don't have to pay taxes, don't speak the language, and most of the time, work for extremely low amounts of money, so the employers will hire them over a person born here that knows minimum wage laws. If we keep accepting the poor, we will get more poor.
I don't want to keep shilling out tax dollars because Mexicans want to leach off the tax dollars I pay every year. I'd like to keep most of my wealth, thanks.
I don't want to keep shilling out tax dollars because Mexicans want to leach off the tax dollars I pay every year. I'd like to keep most of my wealth, thanks.
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thegrimpoe (08/31/2015) [-] dude mexicans work way harder than you ever would, because they are exactly as expendable as you think they are
If I hired whitey instead of sanchez and tried to underpay them both, whitey could sue my ass, sanchez is just gonna get deported and i can hire carlos instead
If I hired whitey instead of sanchez and tried to underpay them both, whitey could sue my ass, sanchez is just gonna get deported and i can hire carlos instead
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KazumaKyu (08/31/2015) [-] So obviously the solution is to crack down really hard on illegal immigration, like bioconstriculative said. If there are no illegals in the country, no scummy *********** businessman can go around trying to underpay people without getting sued into the next millennium. Literally everyone wins except the illegals, who will potentially even be motivated to try and enter the country THE LEGAL WAY instead of being a parasite.
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thegrimpoe (08/31/2015) [-] but these people will always exist, either as trailer trash or as mexicans. Poor families have many children, its just a fact of life, the colonials did it, mexicans do it and white trash will do it too. Cutting off the illegals just means more white trash. Maybe thats what you want but it certaintly wont cure the economic problems associated with it
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bioconstriculative (08/31/2015) [-]
That what I'm dying dude. It's why we need to crack down. Less illegals=less worker exploitation, and more jobs for actual citizens.
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heartlessrobot (08/30/2015) [-] Compassion ends when it actively harms my fellow citizens.
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thegrimpoe (08/31/2015) [-] what about legal immigrants? what of their compassion for their family, friends and peers that they might visit for holiday
it's not even about compassion, look at statistics, mexico has a supply of potentially skilled and skilled people willing to make more money, them taking our jobs and doing better at it helps our economy and actively benefits our citizens
it's not even about compassion, look at statistics, mexico has a supply of potentially skilled and skilled people willing to make more money, them taking our jobs and doing better at it helps our economy and actively benefits our citizens
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heartlessrobot (08/31/2015) [-] I'm perfectly fine with legal immigrants, they're no problem, they're nationalized, they went through the process.
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thegrimpoe (08/31/2015) [-] that's my point, they suffer from being separated by a modern Berlin wall, and if being in the country actively harms your fellow citizens it doesn't literally harm them, it could only harm them indirectly then being apart does too, and thus compassion towards your viewpoints ends because they suffer, ergo they should be able to freely cross the border sans berlin wall checkpoints
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heartlessrobot (08/31/2015) [-] At that point it's people complaining they don't have something they haven't earned. People earn their citizenship here, the illegals are a slap to the face of people that worked hard to get into america legally.
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thegrimpoe (08/31/2015) [-] ok, what if i want to go to Harvard. I am one of 100,000 applicants. They only accept 7%. The 100k applicants all have the same scores, except the 7000 that scored 1 point higher. Should I truly be damned along with the 1299999 others of equal skill because the system didn't have the capacity?
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heartlessrobot (08/31/2015) [-] Yeah. It would be idiotic to accept more than you can.
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thegrimpoe (08/31/2015) [-] what if i said their capacity is only built and budgeted for 5% yet theres an extra 2000 students overburdening the system. What happens is the school teaches at a lower but still top level and you have an extra 2000 harvard graduates in the economy making more money and building the gdp
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KazumaKyu (08/31/2015) [-] Then they should immigrate legally. Everything stops cold-dead when they are breaking the law the moment they enter the country. If a legal immigrant in this country is concerned about their family and friends elsewhere, they should maybe help their family to immigrate legally?
"No no, it's fine, break the law of the country you want to live in and come be a literal parasite instead of doing things the proper way and paying taxes like everyone ******* else. Totally fine!"
"No no, it's fine, break the law of the country you want to live in and come be a literal parasite instead of doing things the proper way and paying taxes like everyone ******* else. Totally fine!"
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KazumaKyu (08/31/2015) [-] You sound like you think it's okay that people have no respect for the laws that govern the country they want to live in. They want to live here, but they can't be arsed to follow the basic rules that the rest of us do.
And if the law isn't right, you work to change it. You don't just decide you're apparently better than everyone else and run about breaking the rules.
And if the law isn't right, you work to change it. You don't just decide you're apparently better than everyone else and run about breaking the rules.
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thegrimpoe (08/31/2015) [-] >they re better because they can break laws
they do it because they want a better life it has nothing to do with elitism
and it shouldn't be illegal, the economic cost of imprisoning desperate cheap labor and paying for the prison instead of letting them work is inefficent
i cant take you serious when you have a ******* fanservice anime as your profile pic
they do it because they want a better life it has nothing to do with elitism
and it shouldn't be illegal, the economic cost of imprisoning desperate cheap labor and paying for the prison instead of letting them work is inefficent
i cant take you serious when you have a ******* fanservice anime as your profile pic
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nustix (08/31/2015) [-] I agree with you, sometimes people coviniently forget how lucky they are they were born in a first world country, if I were to live in Mexico or Syria I would also flee. I think the people on the boats from Africa are a bit silly since they rather than bitching about immigrants nations should actively try to solve to problem that makes people move to first world countries, building a wall to keep people out is fighting symptoms not the disease.
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darthtomale (08/30/2015) [-] www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtRmS7q9DlM
www.immigrationpolicy.org/high-school/top-10-myths-about-immigration
Immigrants don't pay taxes.
Immigrants pay taxes, in the form of income, property, sales, and taxes at the federal and state level. As far as income tax payments go, sources vary in their accounts, but a range of studies find that immigrants pay between $90 and $140 billion a year in federal, state, and local taxes. Undocumented immigrants pay income taxes as well, as evidenced by the Social Security Administration's "suspense file" (taxes that cannot be matched to workers' names and social security numbers), which grew by $20 billion between 1990 and 1998.
(Source: www.immigrationforum.org/about/articles/tax_study.htm )
its ok. youre just a racist
www.immigrationpolicy.org/high-school/top-10-myths-about-immigration
Immigrants don't pay taxes.
Immigrants pay taxes, in the form of income, property, sales, and taxes at the federal and state level. As far as income tax payments go, sources vary in their accounts, but a range of studies find that immigrants pay between $90 and $140 billion a year in federal, state, and local taxes. Undocumented immigrants pay income taxes as well, as evidenced by the Social Security Administration's "suspense file" (taxes that cannot be matched to workers' names and social security numbers), which grew by $20 billion between 1990 and 1998.
(Source: www.immigrationforum.org/about/articles/tax_study.htm )
its ok. youre just a racist
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darthtomale (08/30/2015) [-] when youre talking bout immigrants you talkin bout anyone but you and people like you.
race is as arbitrary as where youre born.
and youd rather listen to fearmongering orangutans using a bleached weasle as a wig www.cnn.com/2015/08/24/politics/donald-trump-immigrant-wives/index.html than do a quick google to easily dispel obvious myths perpetuated by the right.
race is as arbitrary as where youre born.
and youd rather listen to fearmongering orangutans using a bleached weasle as a wig www.cnn.com/2015/08/24/politics/donald-trump-immigrant-wives/index.html than do a quick google to easily dispel obvious myths perpetuated by the right.
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darthtomale (08/30/2015) [-] are you an indigenous person from your country?
do you have some claim to your land?
was it perhaps that someone came here and timed it right so they could stay here?
then whats the difference for new immigrants?
lemme tell ya, it aint some stupid **** about job loss, not paying taxes, wage levels, because thats not what happens when we take in immigrants. is it the fact that theyre brown? sounds like it to me
do you have some claim to your land?
was it perhaps that someone came here and timed it right so they could stay here?
then whats the difference for new immigrants?
lemme tell ya, it aint some stupid **** about job loss, not paying taxes, wage levels, because thats not what happens when we take in immigrants. is it the fact that theyre brown? sounds like it to me
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burytia (08/30/2015) [-] im not indigenous to the country im in now but my family did a funny little thing called migrate legally.....
and now youre trying to compare legal migrants to the illegals, and also throwing in more race issues as if all illegals are brown....the trolling continues
thanks tumblr
and now youre trying to compare legal migrants to the illegals, and also throwing in more race issues as if all illegals are brown....the trolling continues
thanks tumblr
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wagastragas (08/30/2015) [-]
well it they didnt made it insanely hard for some people to get in legally they wouldnt need to find loop holes to it, people cry: be honest do things honestly, but then other people dont play by the rules making it harder on everyone else, and everyone just point fingers and say let the others start playing fair and then i will play fair.
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burytia (08/30/2015) [-] right
like even before 911 made america paranoid as **** ...it was hard to get into usa, like they wanted to keep outsiders mostly out of usa
and pretty much the semi-isolationist attitude has just made usa a 'forbidden fruit' that outsiders want and try harder to get it even if they have to do so illegally
like even before 911 made america paranoid as **** ...it was hard to get into usa, like they wanted to keep outsiders mostly out of usa
and pretty much the semi-isolationist attitude has just made usa a 'forbidden fruit' that outsiders want and try harder to get it even if they have to do so illegally
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bakagaijin (08/30/2015) [-]
The problem us that the baby is a US citizen... and forcing the baby to pay for the parents crime is something that is done by north korea...
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heartlessrobot (08/31/2015) [-] Then just leave the baby in a gutter. The parents clearly don't care about it if they're willing to pop it out and leave it, so let it starve. Ship the remains back to the deportees. That'll stop the problem real fast.
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blandbland (08/30/2015) [-] What I don't get is why Mexicans want to cross the border to begin with. I never hear Canadians crossing the border so why the Mexicans is it to hot for them or something
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mrselfdestruct (08/30/2015) [-] as a legal immigrant, I do agree.
Illegals make things harder for us legals too.
my parents worked hard to get here, we didn't skirt any laws
Illegals make things harder for us legals too.
my parents worked hard to get here, we didn't skirt any laws
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tandemwarelephant ONLINE (08/30/2015) [-] I don't know how to feel about all the hate funnyjunk dishes out on immigrants since my family are hardworking, tax paying, honest, mexican-american citizens been citizens for over two decades who have never been on welfare. They also hate immigrants but not to the degree you guys seem to hate them.
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leonhardt (08/30/2015) [-] This ************ is going to get elected president
And it's going to be ******* awesome.
But it's also going to ******* suck.
And it's going to be ******* awesome.
But it's also going to ******* suck.
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victorsin ONLINE (08/30/2015) [-] **victorsin used "*roll picture*"**
**victorsin rolled image**Not sure if he's going to be the candidate that will represent the Republicans, the cards he brings to the table can be either good or bad to the Republicans and that might not suit them, and he just went Republican, because of the money he has. Nevertheless as a both my parents are Mexicans and I can cross the international bridge as many times I wish without having any trouble and both citizenship rights, because of the amendment the Mexican Govt. did to their constitution, plus it is hard to imagine that Mr. Trump will keep the votes he has in this moment until the actual voting for presidency or atleast a candidate.
I really hope someone reads all this that I heard in History 2 with my wannabe lawyer teacher.
**victorsin rolled image**Not sure if he's going to be the candidate that will represent the Republicans, the cards he brings to the table can be either good or bad to the Republicans and that might not suit them, and he just went Republican, because of the money he has. Nevertheless as a both my parents are Mexicans and I can cross the international bridge as many times I wish without having any trouble and both citizenship rights, because of the amendment the Mexican Govt. did to their constitution, plus it is hard to imagine that Mr. Trump will keep the votes he has in this moment until the actual voting for presidency or atleast a candidate.
I really hope someone reads all this that I heard in History 2 with my wannabe lawyer teacher.
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lumpymandude (08/30/2015) [-] telling s not to worry because someone will shoot the president, what a retard
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idkwhatthatmeans ONLINE (08/31/2015) [-] You do realize that minorities and women hardly participate in voting right? Trump has most of the white male vote which is the biggest demographic.
Doesnt mean he will win though.
Doesnt mean he will win though.
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gerfox (08/31/2015) [-]
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2012
Women constituted 53% of the electorate in 2012.
Minorities constitued 28% of the electorate in 2012.
Lets say the minorities are 50/50 male female for simplicity. Meaning that Trump insults 53 + 14 = 67% of the electorate.
If 60% of the 67% already have something against him, and would not vote for him under any circumstances, then 40% of the electorate would not vote for him under any circumstances.
40% in a country with only two political parties, and where usually the vote ends about even in most demographics. If Trump doesn't adapt and appeal to these groups, then he will never win a general election.
And again, I would like to mention, like I did in my previous post - that the initial statistic about the percentage of people who would definitely not vote for Trump are from REPUBLICAN voters only. You could assume that the number is much higher outside Trumps own party.
Compared to Romney he stands even stronger than Romney did among white males, but he stands exponentially weaker among minorities and women. Which won Obama the election the last time.
Women constituted 53% of the electorate in 2012.
Minorities constitued 28% of the electorate in 2012.
Lets say the minorities are 50/50 male female for simplicity. Meaning that Trump insults 53 + 14 = 67% of the electorate.
If 60% of the 67% already have something against him, and would not vote for him under any circumstances, then 40% of the electorate would not vote for him under any circumstances.
40% in a country with only two political parties, and where usually the vote ends about even in most demographics. If Trump doesn't adapt and appeal to these groups, then he will never win a general election.
And again, I would like to mention, like I did in my previous post - that the initial statistic about the percentage of people who would definitely not vote for Trump are from REPUBLICAN voters only. You could assume that the number is much higher outside Trumps own party.
Compared to Romney he stands even stronger than Romney did among white males, but he stands exponentially weaker among minorities and women. Which won Obama the election the last time.
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idkwhatthatmeans ONLINE (08/31/2015) [-] Hey man i stand corrected, im not informed on the subject and didnt bother researching before i said that.
But even then, how can anybody say for certain that 60% of the electorate hates Trump? It can vary widely even if you are only polling those who vote Republican depending on geographical area, religion, etc..
And again im not a supporter of Trump i just think its too early to tell if he will win or not, and most political experts dont even consider him a serious contender, which i believe to be right. He's just trendy right now.
But even then, how can anybody say for certain that 60% of the electorate hates Trump? It can vary widely even if you are only polling those who vote Republican depending on geographical area, religion, etc..
And again im not a supporter of Trump i just think its too early to tell if he will win or not, and most political experts dont even consider him a serious contender, which i believe to be right. He's just trendy right now.
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gerfox (08/31/2015) [-]
The poll just said that 60% said they would never consider voting for him. If the median voter is true to those polls Trump would never have had a chance if the Presidential election was held today. He's done a terrific job getting everyones attention. Now he only needs to stop clowning around and win the hearts and minds of people.
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tealcanaan (08/31/2015) [-] >he thinks women an minorities come out in droves
First minorities then women are the least likely to vote, especially when its not a minority candidate.
First minorities then women are the least likely to vote, especially when its not a minority candidate.
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gerfox (08/31/2015) [-]
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2012
Women constituted 53% of the electorate in 2012.
Minorities constitued 28% of the electorate in 2012.
Lets say the minorities are 50/50 male female for simplicity. Meaning that Trump insults 53 + 14 = 67% of the electorate.
If 60% of the 67% already have something against him, and would not vote for him under any circumstances, then 40% of the electorate would not vote for him under any circumstances.
40% in a country with only two political parties, and where usually the vote ends about even in most demographics. If Trump doesn't adapt and appeal to these groups, then he will never win a general election.
And again, I would like to mention, like I did in my previous post - that the initial statistic about the percentage of people who would definitely not vote for Trump are from REPUBLICAN voters only. You could assume that the number is much higher outside Trumps own party.
Compared to Romney he stands even stronger than Romney did among white males, but he stands exponentially weaker among minorities and women. Which won Obama the election the last time.
Women constituted 53% of the electorate in 2012.
Minorities constitued 28% of the electorate in 2012.
Lets say the minorities are 50/50 male female for simplicity. Meaning that Trump insults 53 + 14 = 67% of the electorate.
If 60% of the 67% already have something against him, and would not vote for him under any circumstances, then 40% of the electorate would not vote for him under any circumstances.
40% in a country with only two political parties, and where usually the vote ends about even in most demographics. If Trump doesn't adapt and appeal to these groups, then he will never win a general election.
And again, I would like to mention, like I did in my previous post - that the initial statistic about the percentage of people who would definitely not vote for Trump are from REPUBLICAN voters only. You could assume that the number is much higher outside Trumps own party.
Compared to Romney he stands even stronger than Romney did among white males, but he stands exponentially weaker among minorities and women. Which won Obama the election the last time.
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morebuckets (08/30/2015) [-]
Eh, the presidents power is so limited that it would probably be fine.
The only worrying thing is the whole "supreme commander" part
The only worrying thing is the whole "supreme commander" part
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sphincterface (08/30/2015) [-] It's certainly going to be fun for people outside the US. Not so much for the people in the US.
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fukkentyranitar ONLINE (08/30/2015) [-] It'll be awesome for everyone outside the US. I mean...except for the Mexicans and Arabs.
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heartlessrobot (08/30/2015) [-] Except he's most likely to actively **** over every country outside the US.
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fukkentyranitar ONLINE (08/30/2015) [-] I know. I'm just waiting for the civil war in which Trump swallows Canada and abolishes free health care and raises interest on student loans.
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pocketstooheavy (08/30/2015) [-] Are you kidding? It's going to suck for everyone everywhere.
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xsap (08/31/2015) [-] maybe instead of a wall we should build a road all the way to canada so you have to deal with them.
you guys make fun of us for not having free healthcare but did you know anchorbabys and thair familys get free healthcare but american citizens don't?
trump is love, trump is life
you guys make fun of us for not having free healthcare but did you know anchorbabys and thair familys get free healthcare but american citizens don't?
trump is love, trump is life
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fukkentyranitar ONLINE (08/31/2015) [-] Well then, we'll just play border tennis with them.
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theruinedsage (08/30/2015) [-] I'ts going to be awesome
For those of us on the sidelines
For those of us on the sidelines
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imakejewburgers (08/30/2015) [-] I don't know, man. I'd be a little worried even if I was from another country. The US is pretty influential internationally and if this guy ***** us up, the repercussions aren't going to stay contained within the US.
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theruinedsage (08/31/2015) [-] You see that flag in your picture?
Now see that flag in mine?
Do you see how they are not the same?
But sure, Trump is going to fix immigration in Europe Single most retarded thing I heard all week
Now see that flag in mine?
Do you see how they are not the same?
But sure, Trump is going to fix immigration in Europe Single most retarded thing I heard all week
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xsap (08/31/2015) [-] i know Denmark and Sweden arnt the same but my general point was you're getting ********** by illigal immigrants and refugees. and i was saying that maybe you need trump more than we do.
before commenting i wanted to make sure i got the flag right and this is the first thing that came up when i googled norway.
do you not see there is a problem?
before commenting i wanted to make sure i got the flag right and this is the first thing that came up when i googled norway.
do you not see there is a problem?
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lordlolland (08/30/2015) [-] That image is misleading, the splitflag Dannebrog doesn't have a continuation of the cross, only the red parts.
I'm guessing its a recolour of a Swedish or Norwegian flag done by someone who didn't do his homework.
I'm guessing its a recolour of a Swedish or Norwegian flag done by someone who didn't do his homework.
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wyattgc (08/30/2015) [-]
Be illegal anywhere else = at the very LEAST you get deported. but noooo we have to be nice to them.
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notanotheraccount (08/30/2015) [-] Have you seen Mexico's border to whatever is below it? Not sure what country borders Mexico, my geography is **** Its a concrete wall, almost exactly what Trump wants the US to build. But yet we're trashed for wanting more than a chain link fence, where theres no barbed wire on it in most places along the border. If i went into Mexico illegally, i'd be arrested and deported as quickly as possible, but yet the US is expected to have next to no border control and love illegals.
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rundas (08/31/2015) [-] I've always thought that an odd paradox of modern progressive thought. They hate the West, and apply double standards to them the wall being one example . And yet these double standards are also higher standards (well, we should know better than them). Which, essentially, is an admission that the West is superior, or at least more mature.
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vortexrain (08/31/2015) [-] I think citizenship by birth, if you're from out of country, is stupid.
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trollmobile (08/30/2015) [-] >using the word "cuck" unironically
go back to wanking it to nazi uniforms on /pol/
go back to wanking it to nazi uniforms on /pol/
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hairysmellyanus [OP](08/31/2015) [-] I kinda dislike your opinions and I think most of them are wrong to be honest. I see you on this site a lot and no im not the anon.
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hoponthefeelstrain (08/30/2015) [-] people in china go to a us military base in china to have their kid then send the kid to america to get a free and less stressful education
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rockamekishiko (08/30/2015) [-] but it's not the kids fault, you can kick the parents out, no problem with that
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heartlessrobot (08/31/2015) [-] Leave them on the streets. Send the parents films of the child that suffers because of their actions.
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rockamekishiko (08/30/2015) [-] what ever they ******* do now. Why do you all think there is something new with trumps policies? illegals NOW either take their kids or leave them here with someone
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civilizationv (08/31/2015) [-] no one is going to read this because im late as **** BUT
what the USA really needs to do is make work visas more available to immigrants. cut down the process of how long it takes and then you will see a decrease in illegal immigration.
Most immigrants just want to work that's it. live a better life and have their kids become a better person who doesn't have to grow up in the slums and work the rest of their lives doing blue collar jobs. in the process the immigrants can learn English, understand the culture of the US and assimilate accordingly. They will become citizens and start paying taxes and contribute towards our country.
That's it.
Building a wall isn't going to ******* do anything. immigrants can go over by planes, boats, tunnels, whatever. it aint like they are taking a stroll in the park. the immigrants are trekking miles of desert and wildlife then face a border with armed guards. i mean if that don't stop someone a bigger wall won't. It's a big waste of money and if the Great Wall of China didn't succeed in the end then nothing will.
Immigrants are the ones doing the jobs no one on FJ will take. They aren't stealing anyone's jobs. There are literally US Citizens begging on the street because they know they can make more money standing in the street than working in a ****** construction job or work doing maintenance or other hard jobs. Immigrants are the ones taking the 5-6 days 8-10 hour shift job that pay 8 bucks and get no health insurance, dental, sick days, holidays or vacation days. and they do these jobs for YEARS.
And then their kids join the Armed Forces and fight for this country.
Like damn these immigrants are working **** jobs that make this country work properly and their kids are literally dying to protect and fight for this country because they are just grateful they are in a place where they won't get their head chopped off by some cartels and become drug mules. Meanwhile most of us will complain if our memes arent dank enough.
There are bad immigrants of course but you dont see the majority of them riot and loot the streets when something bad happens. they just keep working and working. In fact hispanic's are the 2nd lowest violent race in the US only to the Asian community.
Trump is really just a body of ignorance that is going to cost us a lot of money because of his short mindedness and his lack of proper understanding of the situation. and this can only translate to future problems with other countries and leaders.
what the USA really needs to do is make work visas more available to immigrants. cut down the process of how long it takes and then you will see a decrease in illegal immigration.
Most immigrants just want to work that's it. live a better life and have their kids become a better person who doesn't have to grow up in the slums and work the rest of their lives doing blue collar jobs. in the process the immigrants can learn English, understand the culture of the US and assimilate accordingly. They will become citizens and start paying taxes and contribute towards our country.
That's it.
Building a wall isn't going to ******* do anything. immigrants can go over by planes, boats, tunnels, whatever. it aint like they are taking a stroll in the park. the immigrants are trekking miles of desert and wildlife then face a border with armed guards. i mean if that don't stop someone a bigger wall won't. It's a big waste of money and if the Great Wall of China didn't succeed in the end then nothing will.
Immigrants are the ones doing the jobs no one on FJ will take. They aren't stealing anyone's jobs. There are literally US Citizens begging on the street because they know they can make more money standing in the street than working in a ****** construction job or work doing maintenance or other hard jobs. Immigrants are the ones taking the 5-6 days 8-10 hour shift job that pay 8 bucks and get no health insurance, dental, sick days, holidays or vacation days. and they do these jobs for YEARS.
And then their kids join the Armed Forces and fight for this country.
Like damn these immigrants are working **** jobs that make this country work properly and their kids are literally dying to protect and fight for this country because they are just grateful they are in a place where they won't get their head chopped off by some cartels and become drug mules. Meanwhile most of us will complain if our memes arent dank enough.
There are bad immigrants of course but you dont see the majority of them riot and loot the streets when something bad happens. they just keep working and working. In fact hispanic's are the 2nd lowest violent race in the US only to the Asian community.
Trump is really just a body of ignorance that is going to cost us a lot of money because of his short mindedness and his lack of proper understanding of the situation. and this can only translate to future problems with other countries and leaders.
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oceanfrank (08/31/2015) [-] I mean a lot of these "illegal crime rapist druglords" are just regular people who can't make it with the ****** systems they got in place in Central and South America. Do you have any ******* idea how long it takes to become a US Citizen? Upwards of 15 or so years. Let's be real here, do you actually believe illegal immigrants are the problems that America is facing? Aren't there bigger issues than, "I'm a 26 year old and i can't find no job because im a high school dropout and these ALIENS ARE TURKEN MA JERBS" It's not like they're taking highly competitive and sought after jobs.
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smithforprez (08/31/2015) [-] VICTORY ARM PUMP
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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randomwanker (08/30/2015) [-] Is this really how you all think it is, is the rock bottom of your ignorance or can you go deeper, do you really think ICE doesn't separate families already?
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youregaylol (08/30/2015) [-] except many politicians and bleeding hearts (like yourself i imagine) consistently argue the "muh feels" card and not "break families up" by deporting parents of "american" children.
The fact is this whole debate is about removing birthright citizenship which should never have been in place in the first place. In 2008 at least 75% of children born to illegals were american citizens, it's a ridiculous unsustainable system.
I don't want to "break up families". Send the baby back to the mexico with mami and papi. They always had that option.
The only way to be an american citizen should be to have both of your parents be legal us citizens. Hell I say go even further and say your grandparents have to be legal us citizens so that the current anchor babies we have can't breed and make more americanos.
The fact is this whole debate is about removing birthright citizenship which should never have been in place in the first place. In 2008 at least 75% of children born to illegals were american citizens, it's a ridiculous unsustainable system.
I don't want to "break up families". Send the baby back to the mexico with mami and papi. They always had that option.
The only way to be an american citizen should be to have both of your parents be legal us citizens. Hell I say go even further and say your grandparents have to be legal us citizens so that the current anchor babies we have can't breed and make more americanos.
