Have spoken to countless black people and none of them ever tried to mug me. I'm sure if you forced the sharks into slavery for several generations and deprived them of food, one of them would eventually take your wallet. if you're ever tired of hating on minorities you should move to Canada. Pretty much everyone is happier and our crime problems are minimal in comparison to the US, in part because we're a lot less racist
"Black people" don't use it as an excuse. People use socio-economic factors to explain trends in group activity. I mean, some of them might use it as an excuse, but you can't judge all gun owners black people by the actions of == deranged criminals == deranged criminals
www.amren.com/news/2015/07/new-doj-statistics-on-race-and-violent-crime/
"First, we find that during the 2012/2013 period, blacks committed an average of 560,600 violent crimes against whites, whereas whites committed only 99,403 such crimes against blacks. This means blacks were the attackers in 84.9 percent of the violent crimes involving blacks and whites. This figure is consistent with reports from 2008,"
A) reread my comment, because it had nothing to do with what you just said. Unless of course you're trying to make a statement about 41.7 million black people by referencing 560,600 victimizations, some of which were no doubt to repeat offenders.
B) That's a ridiculously loaded statistic. There are about 245.5 million white people in the US. That is a ratio of 6 white people for every 1 black person. If I am a criminal, and I'm going to pick a target at random, I am 6 times more likely to pick a white victim. When you factor in the fact that black people often live near other black people or operate within black communities, seeing the ratio of just less than 6 to 1 makes complete logical sense.
C) The number of victims that's more important to race statistics would be percentage of black victims attacked by white offenders, and vice versa. Black on white are 13.7% of all white victims while whites are 10.4% of offenders against black, which makes sense given that the black community is disproportionately involved in criminal activity, for which there are dozens of socio-economic theories.
D) If you really wanna bring up crime statistics, look at this www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2012/crime-in-the-u.s.-2012/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide/expanded_homicide_data_table_6_murder_race_and_sex_of_vicitm_by_race_and_sex_of_offender_2012.xls where the ratios show only a 2:1 relationship between black murders against white victims and white offenders against white victims, when the expected relationship should be as high as 6:1 given population size. Not to mention, Men committing a shocking 90% of all homicides despite being only 50% of the population, and yet everyone here cries sexism when feminazi's talk about that even though there's vastly more biological difference between your sex than your race race is pretty much just physical appearance, but testosterone levels are evidently different in men and women , including aggressive tendencies.
i was actually pointing out that percentage wise there is a greater chance for a black person to harm a person than as you say== gun owners==. mainly due to the fact that there are a greater amount of black people living in poverty than other races.
Nothing happens without reason tho. Black people are not just mugging and raping you because they're violent apes (as many tend to think). You see, socio-economic segregation and inequality leaves a nasty fuggn imprint on a group. I am willing to bet my bottom dollar that there would be no " ****** " if the africans brought to the us or the eu got equal rights and **** instantly. Obv there would be no reason in bringing them over then
Most impoverished and most ****** over by the government in recent history is the american region known as the Appalachians They are the most impoverished and undeveloped Almost 100% white Some of the lowest crime rates in the nation, the lowest violent crime rate
High density urban areas. Rural areas very rarely have crime rates comparable to Urban areas, largely because there's less crimes to commit. There's less capital to be made in the drug trade, less property to steal, less people to kill, etc etc because of low wealth for as far as you can see and not just specific areas, but mainly low population density, and that crimes are less likely to get reported because of lower police presence and less education.
If you took a bunch of white people, packed them all in a spot that's too small to hold all of them comfortably, and if you were to bar them from getting equal jobs and education opportunities, then treat them like scum and second-class citizens, taking the chains off wouldn't result in an immediate rise to median levels. The fact that the communities are already improving from within and have there are individuals who have achieved what they have achieved. everyone's favourite Black Science Man for starters
I mean, honestly though, one day on this site is enough to remind people that racism is still well and alive. We can't act like when the segregation laws fell, only 50 years ago mind you, all racism was gone. It was still openly prevalent up till the 80's and 90's, but now people are just racist on anonymous forums and behind closed doors. Pretending that doesn't affect the outcome isn't a solution
Black Science man is only on TV because he's "cool", he's known as a plagiarist and fraud academically. Irish and italians seem to have integrated fine, even more to the point, the Chinese are doing spectacular. Fact is, criminality/poverty.etc. seems to trend best with two traits, IQ and family structure, you can deny it all you want, but it is the truth.
Ben Carson is a celebrated neuroscientist. The movie "Concussion" is a real story about a doctor from Africa who made ground breaking research in his field. There are countless stories like this that break your preconceived stereotypes
Irish and Italians were not only not enslaved, but they never faced Jim Crow Laws, and their populations grew big enough and their appearances grew similar enough that they pretty much faded into the backdrop. They were also semi-recruited in the "race" movement as they were classified as whites.
The Chinese are doing the best because the Chinese immigrants that come here of their own volition with the goal of gaining education and finding opportunity, and when you add in the competitive immigration process, you really only get the best of the best.
IQ is pseudoscience. Education levels matter though, and along with Family Structure education is heavily affected by the poverty and by the oppression black people have faced.
Outlier? Or counter-evidence? They're just popular examples, and the fact is, most scientists aren't popular. You can look it up yoruself.
The Irish were not enslaved by the United States of America.
You can google the reliability of IQ tests and find how inaccurate they are. Not to mention how flexible intelligence actually is.
The Chinese of the past were in drastically lower numbers compared to now. Most Asians living in North America now are recent immigrants. Their relative success is also only a recent discovery. Further proof is that South Asians have the highest median household income, and they haven't been in North America very long at all.
Innate intelligence has not been accepted as scientific truth. Race is primarily a social construction, and a fragile biological classification based solely on physical appearance, while the rest is culture.
No,it's very much a case of you listing expected outliers. Just looking at cultural/scientific advancements of races with higher general IQ's compared to those with lower ones can tell you that the science, in general, is relatively accurate at analyzing intelligence.
Except, as I mentioned before, races aren't really a biologically supported topic, neither is innate intelligence. If you were to leave two children unattended for their entire lives, except food and water through a tube, they would develop no signs of human intelligence as we know save for base traits like object permanence. Almost all of intelligence is taught, from your language, to your ability to solve logical puzzles, to just about everything, save for the true biological outliers like autistic savants. Some cultures advanced to a point of higher intelligence through what is essentially a snowball effect; the more you learn, the more you teach your kids, the greater their advantage. Humans haven't been around that long, and all humans on earth are of the same species. If there is any difference in innate intelligence, it's insignificantly minimal and easily overcome by education. If your hypothesis on innate intelligence was anything dramatic, then we wouldn't see a trend of increasing numbers of black people entering academic fields since the abolition of slavery and the end of the Jim Crow Laws, and the people who used to think that Indians were less intelligent wouldn't be making less median income than South Asian Americans
Putting extrmea circumstances like that into an argument is really a pointless endeavor, try staying within a normal, reality driven framework next time.
I can't really find any credible sources on the topic except this guy who quoted three textbooks. www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/1ou972/are_there_any_sources_regarding_irish_slavery_in/
It looks like the Irish Slave Trade had a footing in the colonies, but by the time the US had formed it was all but gone, and wasn't nearly as big as the African Slave Trade. Do you have any sources stating otherwise?
Hey, if you wanna talk innate qualities that are scientifically proven though, let's talk about aggression in males. We commit 90% of all homicides, despite being 50% of the population. It is biologically uncontested that we have higher levels of testosterone. Culturally, men have been consistently expected to be stone faced warriors by the majority of cultures. We're also between 66-90% of suicides and homicide victims depending on where you live. Isn't that a lot more staggering than the numbers and evidence against black people? Shouldn't we be more concerned about our health and our safety as men?
Men do and should have higher standards and be expected to be the protectors/warriors of any given culture. I agree, men and women are innately different, and should be treated differently by society at large. Do you expect me to be some sort of egalitarian? I completely rejected that premise long ago.
That's not really higher standards, that sounds more like cultural asphyxiation. Sounds more like the expectations you have of men are the exact reason they're dying and killing each other at accelerated rates and committing a disproportionate number of crimes. They're not being the protectors, at least not simply, because they're being the ones we need protecting from.
Of course I expect you to be an egalitarian, that's kind of the whole premise of the past century of civil rights movements. I figured it was a well accepted concept in the Western World that the vast majority of people are pro treating everyone equally.
Meh, the past century has been a period of social decline in the west, egalitarianism and the policy they lead to being the driving factor. Men and mot other people, are less happy because they are not fulfilling their natural social roles. More policy to force the "expected" equitable outcome will just further agitate the social anxiety many people feel.
Your natural social role wasn't to be a protector or a warrior. The natural role was to be a hunter gatherer, a role women and men shared. It was only in the agrarian revolutions where women couldn't till the farm that we saw men taking more and more of the available power. We were naturally stronger, of course, but most of this "warrior" attitude is cultural since our ancestors weren't exactly warriors themselves. If you wanna go fulfill your natural role, go hunting, or fishing, or hiking, or grab some berries, or kiss your loved one, or raise a family. We weren't built as warriors, we became warriors because some guy who controlled the grain in the village either asked us to or we needed to defend against the enxt village over.
I think policies saying "men and women should be seen as equal under the law" and that you shouldn't discriminate between the two when offering a desk job that has nothing to do with hunting or gathering isn't the reason we feel social anxiety. Maybe it's more because our cultures raised us on the fantasies of what it meant to be alive, and the cold hard reality of mediocrity that we got was never what we were promised.
Buddy, man has always fought, don't be willfully ignorant. We fought predators, each other it is reality. Woman's natural role is as a caregiver, nurturer, never venturing far from the home else to gather berries :^) . There's a reason AA is brought into effect most for women, they are not meant for leadership positions, and have to be forced in to them by ideological laws and ivory tower beliefs.
We didn't really do too much fighting each other until later since were so widely dispersed, and even with predators we don't stand too well against them without weapons. We obviously did some fighting and definitely more than our female counterparts, but it wasn't our primary role and you don't need to be a fighter to feel fulfilled in life.
Not meant for leadership roles? On what basis? Women do fantastic in leadership roles. Hell, they can even be just as ****** and corrupt as their male counterparts.
Can confirm. Live in Appalachia, at times it feels more like I live in Russia in terms of development and wealth. My county has more people on government assistance than almost every inner city district in the state. Not sure what you mean by getting ****** over by the government though. The main issue is that there's no jobs, and the only jobs here are service jobs with a very small amount of industry. Unless you know something the government's been doing that I don't know.
The people are SO nice here though. They're so pleasant to be around, even the rednecks are friendly. I don't lock my door, and at work I always see the people being incredibly honest Turning in lost wallets/phones, coming back in if they forget to pay for something, and even picking up the tab for people if they can't afford to pay. I see that kind of stuff posted around the internet in 'faith in humanity restored' threads but it happens quite often here that i don't see it as a big deal. . I think our poverty adds to everybody being so friendly, as we can't afford to not get along.
People in west Virginia staged major strikes against mining monopoly towns, when the companies hired mob thugs to beat the leaders, the strikers armed themselves in defense and took over the town, the government literally bombed them on a couple occasions.
People in the Appalacians are also in the middle of nowhere, there's just not as many people to **** over with crime. Not only is it rampant with illegal activity like welfare fraud and drug/moonshine dealing, it's dependent on it for people to even survive.
Also, there is no empirical evidence that race and IQ are genetically related, in spite of the hereditary aspect of cognitive ability. Literally none.
> have Jim Crow laws for black people in the US for years, don't have Jim Crow laws for Jews
It's been like, barely 50 years since you guys had legalized segregation, and your most famous astrophysicist is a black man along with your president, and a black man with a PhD is the one who led the civil rights movement in the first place. That sounds like accelerated growth to me
Jews have slightly higher than median base income and education levels but Asians have highest because they come from competitive immigration sources with achievement based cultures. Don't even know why the comic uses IQ tests as a score for anything at all, they're pretty much pseudo-psychology
Jews were segregated from education, put in camps to separate them from civilization and have been victims of a genocide just 71 years ago. That's at a similar time span at the time of Jim Crow Laws and was vastly more destructive than Jim Crow. Yet they make up 20% of nobel prize winners despite being 0.2% of the population.
So yeah keep trying to push pseudoscience, pseudoeconomics, revisionist history and muh feels for the ****** conditions black people put themselves in.
In Germany, and for less than a decade.
Black people didn't get Civil Rights in the US until about 1965, just 50 years ago, which was several centuries after they reached the US, and continued to endure non-legally sanctioned racism for decades that still lingers on today.
How does Jewish success disqualify Black struggle anyways? I mean by that logic, there's no reason the untouchables in India should have any trouble since South Asians are the highest median income in the US, I mean, they're even the same demographic.
A decade which nearly wiped out Jews and did vastly more lasting damage and got them to end up within a ongoing middle eastern conflict still happening this day, not stopping them from achieving amazing things.
"Non-legally sanctioned racism" yeah now you're just talking out of your ass and trying to make up imaginary oppreshiuns.
Because it makes the ******** excuse that "muh struggles" are in any way stopping people from becoming successful invalid. You don't see Ben Carson whining about this race baiting excuse, he lived in Detroit in a fatherless household below the poverty line, he had all the cards stacked against him and now he's a world famous neurosurgeon who's a presidential candidate front runner.
Meanwhile the rich ivy league urban teenagers of "black lives matter" spend their time wallowing in self-pity, violently looting innocent stores, disrupting roads, promoting blatant censorship on campus, harassing victims other than them, or trying to stop a cancer fundraiser.
You don't see Jews doing that **** in Germany, you don't see Japanese-Americans doing that in the US. They recognize that the past is the past, times are different now, take responsibility for yourself.
I was with you at first, but individual prejudice has little impact on socioeconomics. Blacks choosing not to be successful isn't literal lying like the usual garbling about muh innate differences, it's just a conservative perspective on established facts
Macro-scale prejudice does, and while the effects are now much less, the communities are stuck in culture based self-destructive cycles that we cannot ignore have many many external factors. Most black people aren't complaining about racism. I'm as sick as the next guy of seeing people who blame their inadequacies on what they cannot control, but I'm equally sick of people who think that the whiny brats are a biggest problem they have/
I think there's some truth to both sides: people (aside from college liberal stereotypes) don't complain about racism as much as they are afraid of it.
It is true that the black underclass developed its own cultural values that collide with mainstream American values, but at the same time, I can't blame them. When they tried to form values that were defensive but positive, they got assassinated or police silenced.
Agreed. I like to put it this way, most people get their dreams crushed at some point; at some point someone tells you that you likely won't become an astronaut, or the president, or maybe you fail at something and no one's there to help you back up. I think people ignore the power of the latter point, in the vast majority of stories with individuals breaking expectations, they can often reference a single source of immense support. Imagine, not having that. Imagine that dream that was crushed was the dream of just leaving the ghetto. Imagine being a nerd in elementary and having to choose between books and friends, making the wrong choice, and then forcing some other kid to do it later because that's how you learned it to be. Imagine if you saw the people who chose to stick with the books denied time and time again just because they look different. Imagine just looking up and seeing everyone around you pretend like they know who you are when they've never even heard your voice. Statistically speaking, when there is an atmosphere that breeds an expectation that you either steal or you don't eat, or that the only way out of the ghetto is athletics, rap music, or gang violence, you're going to see those things proliferate over a massive population.
Well said. I also think **** like affirmative action has actively worsened the problem (not welfare as a whole, I mean explicit discrimination) by devaluing the labor of minority groups, since people can no longer tell if they earned it.
Their approach has been terrible, honestly, completely agreed, and it's the same with some other welfare approaches. You can't legislate the problem away or throw money at it. Open up opportunities. The whole "create jobs" thing but with meaningful work and ones that last and leave room for potential growth as opposed to dead end retail or customer service jobs.
I do too. Unfortunately I'm pretty vocal about my opinions, and I see a lot of **** in this community I'm not too fond of. My initial comment was an overreaction, but it brought some closet racists out of hiding so I got what I asked for I guess.I just don't get how much outward projected hate people can have.
Thanks man, pleasure talking to you.
lets roll with ur example
Cognitive abilities, fine, maybe (although i really doubt it) "you" have a point there.
Violent and antisocial behavior? Dont think so
There is a huge difference in how blacks and jews were treated and how that affected their culture. Jews were forced into things like banking and finance. Black people were forced almost exclusively into manual labour. Jews in America never faced Jim Crow Laws or slavery or discriminatory housing, education or job opportunities, and while Jews had it worse than almost anyone else in the Holocaust of Germany, genocide is designed to exterminate a population, while oppression and control is designed to disarm the population.
plenty of blacks kept white slaves, espescially in areas around the middle east, where the various islamic caliphates made periodic forays into eastern europe.
also, who do you think sold black slaves to the white folk? 'cos we didn't just land on the beach and round them up. other blacks captured them and other blacks sold them to us. to be honest, their descendants are probably doing a hell of a lot better than the poor ******* still in africa.
Spoilers were a bit much, yeah. I expected to see this exact comment, because someone always says this exact thing every time someone makes a joke about white people doing extreme sports.
Essentially, yes. Part of that comes from less, not lack of, but less discriminatory housing practices. We didn't have Jim Crow laws, and our black population has had equal rights for longer. Not to say we didn't have racism at all, but it was less severe, and we didn't have as big of a black population to apply it to. Many of the black people I've actually met are first or second generation immigrants from the US, Jamaica, Nigeria, Tanzinia, Italy and many other countries.
Pretty much, we didn't treat black people as much like second class citizens, and we booted racism much earlier and have very little problems with it now. However, we have treated our Native population like second class citizens and our current "reserves" system is pretty terrible to put it into context, Apartheid South Africa had a similar system going on so Indigenous Canadians actually have worse crime rates and education rates than African Americans
In full honesty, we don't have crime problems at even comparable levels to the US because we have fewer high density impoverished areas in general. Black people were forced to live in those areas for a long time, and when you add the self-fulfilling prophecies, you get a cycle of poverty that takes generations to break.
Probably more than I should have, I just knew I'd see it in the comment section the second I saw the picture. Tons of closet racists came out of hiding though so I guess I got my confirmation bias going strong.
"Without a clear indication of the author's intent, it is difficult or impossible to tell the difference between an expression of sincere extremism and a parody of extremism."
It's getting harder for me to distinguish between sincerity and parody on this site. Makes me kind wanna stop going here.
Pic related: me and FJ
I remember reading a history book somewhere with this picture (without the text of course) , it read that most times when knights were knighted, it wasn't a gentle touch on both shoulders from a Lady like in the picture, it was usually done on the fly by someone of Royalty/Nobility and the royalty usually slammed the blade on their shoulders, I think it was supposed to signify the burden knights were supposed to carry.
Interesting bit of info, thanks. To be clear, I meant that the caption tried too hard to make the text relevant to the picture. It just sounds tired and forced, like the author was really running out of ideas when he made that one.
Honestly tho, I think North West has to feel and deal all of Kim and Kanye's repressed **** repressed emotions
I found something which says she is sad bc she doesn't spend time with Kim and Kanye, they're strangers to her, and she has to be separated from her nannies to be with them.
I know for a fact in the UK No idea about anywhere else receiving texts are free, but I think in America both the sender and receiver have to pay for the text.
I'd also like clarification on this one as I've been thinking of going on a pay-as you go plan since I rarely text, however I do receive texts quite a bit aswell.
In Germany:
-Prepaid: max 9 cents per min/text. Receiving is always free
-Common price for unlimited nationals calls, texts Internet are 15-20€
-Packets of ~200 minutes plus ~1GB are 6-10€
-100 min/texts 2€/month
Best country is France: If you have prepaid, your balance expires after as little as 4 days
This actually isn't that dangerous. As long as you don't have any open wounds and don't stay relatively still for extended periods, a shark won't usually bother you. It's like a dog that has a history of biting, respect it and don't piss it off and it won't bite. And even if it does move in on you aggressively, just punch it in the nose and unless it's starving it will decide you aren't worth the trouble.
Unless it's a bull shark. Then you're ****** . Those things take no prisoners.