Mini Riot Happened On My Campus. . Hateful Christian' church was on my campus, minicrits ensued amongst students, then this guy shows up.. I'm really sick of the horse masks... They stopped being that funny a while ago.
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User avatar #1 - ayumu (07/23/2014) [-]
do unto others as hay do unto you
User avatar #40 - buttholee (07/23/2014) [-]
I'm really sick of the horse masks...

They stopped being that funny a while ago.
#77 - anon (07/23/2014) [-]
Hes the hero said campus deserves
#3 - kaboomz (07/23/2014) [-]
>hateful christian church

if it preaches hatred then its not christian
User avatar #23 to #3 - YllekNayr ONLINE (07/23/2014) [-]
No true scotsman, how have you been?
#62 to #23 - grandlordchicken (07/23/2014) [-]
Putting sugar on my porridge, I never realized it tasted so much better that way.
#60 to #23 - migueldecervantes ONLINE (07/23/2014) [-]
You are wrong, actually. You don't understand what the True Scotsman Fallacy is.
User avatar #61 to #60 - YllekNayr ONLINE (07/23/2014) [-]
I'm afraid it is you who do not understand it.
#100 to #61 - migueldecervantes ONLINE (07/24/2014) [-]
Christianity is against hatred. He is not fabricating a new meaning for the word.

How is it not true that a true Christian mustn't be hateful? You would only be right if Christianity had no stance on hatred.

To conclude, you do not understand what the True Scotsman fallacy is. Read on it some more and you might understand. I am too tired right now to explain.

Good luck.
User avatar #103 to #100 - YllekNayr ONLINE (07/24/2014) [-]
Christians are routinely hateful. Don't kid yourself.
#105 to #103 - migueldecervantes ONLINE (07/25/2014) [-]
This does not mean that they are true Christians, though. Actually, as their dogma seems to go against the vice of resentfulness and preaches forgiveness and acceptance, it is actually a clear demonstration of their lackluster affiliation with their religion.

Are you suggesting that Jesus Christ, whether a fictional character or real person, preached violence and hatred?
User avatar #106 to #105 - YllekNayr ONLINE (07/25/2014) [-]
I am suggesting that Christians are not inherently good people, and that if someone who professes to be a Christian acts like an awful person, then they are both a Christian and an awful person. Being a Christian does not free you from evil acts, and evil acts do not rescind your faith. Look at pedophilia in the catholic church as an example.

This doesn't apply solely to Christianity. It applies to any religion. All of it is grounded on personal belief, so the only qualification for them being of that religion is if they think and say they are.
#107 to #106 - migueldecervantes ONLINE (07/25/2014) [-]
I understand and agree.
User avatar #25 to #23 - kaboomz (07/23/2014) [-]
wat
#5 to #3 - anon (07/23/2014) [-]
I think you should read the **** in the bible and then say it's not preaching hate. It's one of the most hateful, bigoted ideologies on the planet.
User avatar #6 to #5 - kaboomz (07/23/2014) [-]
so did you read it mr. devout fedora feminist?
tell me are christians killing people for god nowadays?
the bible tells us about god and the life of that era which is pretty much like the life we have nowadays
wars, murder, perversion you name it
#8 to #6 - popeflatus (07/23/2014) [-]
There is no evidence that the god of the bible or any religion exists at all.
User avatar #12 to #8 - kaboomz (07/23/2014) [-]
people are free to believe in what they wish
#13 to #12 - popeflatus (07/23/2014) [-]
They are indeed, but just by believing in something doesn't make it true.
User avatar #14 to #13 - kaboomz (07/23/2014) [-]
true
but what of he is real?
#15 to #14 - popeflatus (07/23/2014) [-]
If a claim is made without any evidence to support it, it can be dismissed, just like if I claimed the moon is made of rubber you can reject that claim because there is no reason to accept it.
#27 to #15 - narflarg (07/23/2014) [-]
dayum... never thought of it that way... further confidence that i gotta be agnostic because 			*****		 up in the air.
dayum... never thought of it that way... further confidence that i gotta be agnostic because ***** up in the air.
#28 to #27 - YllekNayr ONLINE (07/23/2014) [-]
agnostic atheist is most reasonable position
#29 to #28 - narflarg (07/23/2014) [-]
Id say im more of a gnostic theist. the optimist in me wants there to be something, but thr realist in me says im gonna rot in the ground.
User avatar #31 to #29 - YllekNayr ONLINE (07/23/2014) [-]
Wait, did you mean to say agnostic theist?
#32 to #31 - narflarg (07/23/2014) [-]
yep i meant that. Damn morining brain.
User avatar #33 to #32 - YllekNayr ONLINE (07/23/2014) [-]
So which god are you thinking might be real?
#34 to #33 - narflarg (07/23/2014) [-]
My personal belief is that there is a god that all of earth's gods derived from but much like the game telephone, different cultures all lost the truth of the universe through generations of communication errors.
User avatar #35 to #34 - YllekNayr ONLINE (07/23/2014) [-]
Lemme guess. You identify as spiritual but not religious?
#36 to #35 - narflarg (07/23/2014) [-]
Eh im not really an identify type. If that description i gave is in perfect line with their beliefs then id guess you could call me spiritual.
User avatar #37 to #36 - YllekNayr ONLINE (07/23/2014) [-]
Identification has nothing to do with what you write on forms or how often you talk to people. Just your closest approximation to the type of language that best describes your belief. There's nothing wrong with identifying. As far as "their beliefs" that's not really a thing. Spiritual but not religious is not a group or organization. There are no "beliefs". It's just a phrase that people who don't practice organized religion, but still have some belief in spiritual matters.
User avatar #30 to #29 - YllekNayr ONLINE (07/23/2014) [-]
Both are acceptable.
User avatar #19 to #3 - minorian ONLINE (07/23/2014) [-]
Why not?
User avatar #20 to #19 - kaboomz (07/23/2014) [-]
because it doesnt teach violence, hatred or murder
User avatar #21 to #20 - minorian ONLINE (07/23/2014) [-]
There are lots of examples, where the Christian God in the Bible both causes violence, hatred and murder.
User avatar #22 to #21 - kaboomz (07/23/2014) [-]
the examples i know were to protect its people or to punish sinners
god doesnt hate
#84 to #21 - butakun (07/23/2014) [-]
I know the Old Testament has plenty of examples, but if you don't mind could you indulge my curiosity and cite some from the New Testament?
User avatar #97 to #84 - minorian ONLINE (07/24/2014) [-]
God sends an angel to kill Herod and sends the four Horsemen to kill various heretics, eh?
#53 to #3 - apurpleliger (07/23/2014) [-]
I believe a more correct way to say that is "if it preaches hatred then its not a proper christian church"
User avatar #4 to #3 - arreatface ONLINE (07/23/2014) [-]
Well I guess that's why he put the word Christian between little ' '

I'm french and I dont know how these are called in english
#7 to #4 - popeflatus (07/23/2014) [-]
They're called plips.
#10 to #7 - popeflatus (07/23/2014) [-]
I'm kidding, they're called quotation marks.
User avatar #63 to #10 - kjoni ONLINE (07/23/2014) [-]
whatever, from now on i'm calling them plips and you can't stop me
#102 to #63 - popeflatus (07/24/2014) [-]
I've created a monster...
#9 to #7 - arreatface ONLINE (07/23/2014) [-]
Plips ? But that's 			*******		 cute !
Plips ? But that's ******* cute !
#11 to #9 - popeflatus (07/23/2014) [-]
I'm kidding, they're called quotation marks. ))
User avatar #18 to #11 - minorian ONLINE (07/23/2014) [-]
" " <- quotation marks
' ' <- apostrophes
User avatar #78 to #18 - clechyl (07/23/2014) [-]
´ <-dont
User avatar #16 to #4 - someponynew (07/23/2014) [-]
apostrophes, friend.
User avatar #80 to #4 - lordbyronxiv (07/23/2014) [-]
nous les appelons "quotation marks." officieusement, "air quotes" aussi
#73 to #4 - lemleet (07/23/2014) [-]
quotation marks
User avatar #66 to #4 - yuukoku (07/23/2014) [-]
Quotation marks, and yes, they mean what you think they mean. You're right here.
User avatar #44 to #4 - Lilstow ONLINE (07/23/2014) [-]
quotation marks
User avatar #17 to #4 - minorian ONLINE (07/23/2014) [-]
They stole the word from French, so it's the same word, if I know my languages.
User avatar #55 - duedum (07/23/2014) [-]
those horse masks aren't funny and they never have been.

"hhehehe im being so le random xDDDXD"

that guy is probably a ******* neckbeard
User avatar #64 to #55 - kjoni ONLINE (07/23/2014) [-]
they were a liiiiiiiiiiiiitle funny at first..
User avatar #79 to #55 - seriouslyblack (07/23/2014) [-]
how is wearing a horse mask while holding a sign that says NEIGH-bors on it random?

the one time it actually makes sense that the person is wearing a horse mask you decide to complain about how theyre trying too hard to be random.
#56 to #55 - anon (07/23/2014) [-]
see, this is the kind of person who makes me ask myself if the internet has side effects on the mental health of others every night when i'm in bed
#42 - haeckal (07/23/2014) [-]
Let me guess: the "hateful" Christians were telling people that all human beings are sinners and need to be forgiven in order to get into Heaven, and that if they live a life of unrepentant sin they will go to Hell. Rather than engaging in any thoughtful self-examination, most of the students decided to just bitch about how "hateful" the 2,000 year old message of Christianity is for not telling everyone how wonderful and perfect they are - completely ignoring the fact that if the Christian worldview has even a chance of being true, warning people about the consequences of sin is a selfless act of love.

How I see the student "mini-riot" going:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=VA0OOEo0k2k
User avatar #52 to #42 - shadownigga (07/23/2014) [-]
So Christians represent love by trying to convert others? Let me go tell the millions of pagans and "heretics" that were executed for not following Christianity that they were murdered a and tortured in the name of love.
#85 to #52 - applescryatnight (07/23/2014) [-]
dont blame the things other people did in the past on people in the present
millions of pagans also raped and pillaged innocent christians, and christians killed and suppressed the culture of innocent pagans.

***** in the past. forgive and forget and all that.
keeping grudges only leads to new assholes making new grudges.
User avatar #98 to #85 - shadownigga (07/24/2014) [-]
So that means that the Germany should be forgiven for the holocaust? What about the US forgiving Al Qaeda and Osama bin Laden for the 9/11 terror attacks on the World Trade Center? Ya know, cause that ***** in the past.
User avatar #70 to #42 - tombombadil (07/23/2014) [-]
I don't know if you've been to a college campus where crazy pastors like to "preach," but it definitely isn't just "we are sinners, please repent." They shout insults at everyone they can and pretty much tell everyone to **** themselves. At least on my campus, they're legitimately hateful.
#72 to #42 - nonanonnon (07/23/2014) [-]
If it's the westboro nutcases, they don't even think anyone can be saved but themselves. They just hate because they like being hated back. In their twisted little brains, that means they're right! The Bible says so!

Matthew 10:22
You will be hated by everyone because of me, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved.
User avatar #71 to #42 - leonhardt (07/23/2014) [-]
Is that dude wearing a skirt?
#75 to #42 - butakun (07/23/2014) [-]
Have you not seen these guys with their crap that says stuff like "GOD HATES fags trannies ******* protestants catholics jews muslims whores druggies alcoholics liberals feminists" etc.? That is not communicating the message of God's love for humanity and desire to see us saved. All it does is spread hate and damage any genuine effort to convince people that Christianity is worthwhile.
#54 to #42 - apurpleliger (07/23/2014) [-]
I don't know about this case specifically, but the hateful christians on my campus started shouting at a paralyzed guy saying he's already going to hell for his sins and that his illness was a result of those sins. Not exactly spreading the love.
User avatar #57 to #42 - krobeles (07/23/2014) [-]
Religion has no place at an institute of learning. The buildings are likely public, so they cant be forced to leave, but I'm quite sure that my campus would inssist that they leave aswell.

That said, even if the message is true, and even if it is out of selfless love that they're doing it, they still need to understand that some people dont want to hear it. The reason hardly matters. If they dont want to hear it, they shouldn't be giving them that message. Its like if I went up to a random dude on the street and started explaining Electromagnetism or Cosmological theory to him. Sure, what I'm saying might be true, but the dude dosen't wanna ******* hear.
#76 to #57 - applescryatnight (07/23/2014) [-]
well, sometimes religion has a place at an institute of learning.
like if you are learning about religion, or the affect of religion, or studying religious writing, or religious artifacts, or if there is a museum within the institute of learning with religious exhibits, or if you are learning history and you come across historical religion, or if its a religious institute of learning, or if the institute of learning has inspired a religion, with a cult following of learning.

despite popular belief, religion has been incredibly important throughout history, with religious motivation behind political events or behind the building of a nation. religion had a pretty big impact on the creation of most of the western hemisphere.
User avatar #82 to #76 - krobeles (07/23/2014) [-]
Then that isn't really religion. That is an aspect of the Humanities subjects, which happens to have religion has a big focal point, since religion has had a big impact on how we build our societies and have we behave to each other.
I am in no way denying that religion has been important, but rather that its practise or advocation has little to nothing, to do with learning.
The fact that religious people are going to campus, are implying that the practise or advocation of religion has a place in the universities. They dont. They should be kept very far away from those placeses.
#59 - anon (07/23/2014) [-]
wheres swole camel when you need him?
User avatar #41 - satanisrealgod (07/23/2014) [-]
God is a queer
User avatar #24 - YllekNayr ONLINE (07/23/2014) [-]
Why is "Christian" in quotation marks?
User avatar #38 to #24 - bloodyspy (07/23/2014) [-]
Reasons already stated. The whole point of Christianity is what the horse-mask wearing guy has written on his sign.
User avatar #39 to #38 - YllekNayr ONLINE (07/23/2014) [-]
So you're saying that their church is not actually christian?
#43 to #39 - glayn ONLINE (07/23/2014) [-]
He's saying they don't act like Christians. I can say I'm black, but if I only look black and don't act black, how black am I?

Looking back at what I just wrote I think I made a bad example
User avatar #45 to #43 - YllekNayr ONLINE (07/23/2014) [-]
Yes. Nobody is born a christian. It's an action, an ideology. Something you can become, or lose. Being black is none of those things.

And FYI, all you have to do to be a Christian is believe Jesus Christ is god. Everything else is optional. You don't have to go to church, or be nice, or pray, or anything. News flash - the WBC followed the Bible more closely than most Christians today.
#46 to #45 - glayn ONLINE (07/23/2014) [-]
I can be black if I want to be black.

Joking aside, plenty of people call themselves Christian, and then act like complete ***** to everyone because they think they're more pious. That's not being Christian, hence the quotation marks.
User avatar #47 to #46 - YllekNayr ONLINE (07/23/2014) [-]
Yes. Christians can be dicks.
Sorry if that upsets you. They're still Christians.
#48 to #47 - glayn ONLINE (07/23/2014) [-]
I'm pretty sure they're not. Sorry if that upsets you. If you want to follow a religion you have to abide by its tenets, otherwise you're a hypocrite and not a member of the religion you profess to follow. That's how these things work. Call yourself all you want, but it's empty words unless you do more than lip service.
User avatar #49 to #48 - YllekNayr ONLINE (07/23/2014) [-]
"I'm gonna repeat what he said with fingers in my ears"

Hey dickwad. When muslim extremists blow themselves up, do you buy that **** of "they weren't real muslims"?

No. You don't have to actually follow the religion to consider yourself a member. Christians are hypocrites ALL the time. Get it through your head. Being a Christian does NOT make you a good person, and being a good person is NOT a requirement for being religious. Take your apologetics elsewhere.
#50 to #49 - glayn ONLINE (07/23/2014) [-]
"You don't have to actually follow the religion to consider yourself a member"

I'm sorry I can't take you seriously any more, Ciao.
User avatar #51 to #50 - YllekNayr ONLINE (07/23/2014) [-]
Get over it. It's true.
#83 to #49 - butakun (07/23/2014) [-]
To be fair, people in general are hypocrites all the time. Congratulations on shutting down people with less defensible arguments than you, but if you actually want to convince people your position is right you might consider being a little less vitriolic in your responses.

If instead you're just being an ass to blow off steam, then that's your prerogative.
User avatar #86 to #83 - YllekNayr ONLINE (07/23/2014) [-]
My vitriol is caused by people repeating back what I'm saying with a mindless lack of comprehension as if it works for them. I can't stand ignorance.
#90 to #86 - butakun (07/23/2014) [-]
Well if you want to build a tolerance for it via exposure, the comments section is a great place for that.
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User avatar #89 to #88 - YllekNayr ONLINE (07/23/2014) [-]
It certainly is. But I lose all respect for someone in a discussion when they start acting like this person did. Then I accept that I am being an asshole because I no longer feel this person is worthy or capable of civil discussion.
User avatar #65 to #47 - schneidend ONLINE (07/23/2014) [-]
If you're not adhering to Christianity's tenets. If you're being hateful, not turning the other cheek, not being forgiving and charitable, then you're not really a Christian, period.
User avatar #67 to #65 - YllekNayr ONLINE (07/23/2014) [-]
Yes, wouldn't that be nice. Forget what the Bible says and just be a good person. Since it's the Bible that tells you who to stone and why.

Don't confuse being a Christian with being a good person.
User avatar #68 to #67 - schneidend ONLINE (07/23/2014) [-]
The Bible says everything I just said. Also, the stoning passages are in the Old Testament, as I recall, which are not only archaic, but not necessarily Christian doctrine. Christianity is following the word of Jesus CHRIST, and he was basically a socialist peacenik with a generous streak a mile wide.
User avatar #69 to #68 - YllekNayr ONLINE (07/23/2014) [-]
It was their own decision to include the Torah in their Bible. The New Testament isn't a paragon of virtue, either.
#81 to #69 - butakun (07/23/2014) [-]
I think you two might be defining the term differently. It seems like Yllek is using the broadest possible definition of what makes a person a "Christian," while schneid is thinking in terms of what makes a person a "good Christian."

Also, to be clear, belief that Jesus is God is not a prerequisite for being Christian, there are denominations that believe Jesus was the Son of God but not one with Him. A better baseline prerequisite for the label might be belief that Jesus died to save humanity from sin and was then resurrected.
User avatar #87 to #81 - YllekNayr ONLINE (07/23/2014) [-]
Fair enough. But there are plenty of Christians who do not follow beliefs as set by the Bible. There are tons of lukewarm Christians who consider themselves Christian because their parents are, rather than because they have an actual belief. There are Christians I've met who don't believe in Hell. There are Christians I've met who think Christianity isn't a religion. There are Christians who believe in cutting back funding for the poor. There are Christians that believe that throwing the first punch is acceptable (see the atheist professor copypasta for an example that people champion). There are Christians who think issuing death threats to atheists for being atheists is acceptable.

Christians are hypocrites all the time, like most people, as you've said, because they aren't different from most people. They're just people. They're not on some moral pedestal like glayn would like to claim, where only the REAL Christians are all saints and martyrs.
#91 to #87 - glayn ONLINE (07/23/2014) [-]
I don't think they're on any kind of pedestal. A lot of the time Christians make me despise them, mostly when they're talking **** on chat shows about how evolution never happened, or how Christianity should be taught as though it's fact. I'm not a Christian myself either, but you can't claim to be part of any kind of group without following its tenets. The new Testament as far as I understand preaches to love thy neighbour regardless, and to help them where you can, it's a pretty open ended deal and a pretty nice ideology when people aren't trying to use it as an excuse to ram their religion down your throat. Spreading hate and judging people is very much NOT in the new Testament. In fact I'm pretty sure that guy Jesus said something about throwing stones only if you're sinless, and no one is according to him. So people who do can't try to call themselves CHRISTian if they don't want to follow CHRIST's ideology.
User avatar #92 to #91 - YllekNayr ONLINE (07/23/2014) [-]
So you agree that this "if they're dicks they aren't Christians" thing is ******** . Christians can be dicks.
#93 to #92 - glayn ONLINE (07/23/2014) [-]
Of course they can. Everyone can
User avatar #94 to #93 - YllekNayr ONLINE (07/24/2014) [-]
Well that's the whole point I've been arguing. While you've been saying stuff like

"I'm pretty sure they're not. Sorry if that upsets you. If you want to follow a religion you have to abide by its tenets, otherwise you're a hypocrite and not a member of the religion you profess to follow. That's how these things work."

Which is ******** .
#95 to #94 - glayn ONLINE (07/24/2014) [-]
Either you're amazingly stupid or you're doing your best to troll here.

If you want to follow a religion you do as it says. That's what religions are. End of.

You asked why the word Christian was in quotation. Because they where acting UNchristian. And doing the opposite of what the religion wants. Not because they where being a dick or because they're an ass hole. Is this now simple enough for you or do you need a step by step explanation.
User avatar #96 to #95 - YllekNayr ONLINE (07/24/2014) [-]
My point is that people who profess to be of certain religions are frequently hypocrites.
#101 to #96 - glayn ONLINE (07/24/2014) [-]
They key word there is 'Profess'. They can call themselves what they like, it's just words in the end unless they actually follow the religion.
User avatar #104 to #101 - YllekNayr ONLINE (07/24/2014) [-]
So they're not "True Christians™" then?

Never heard that excuse for Christians being assholes before. Apologetics sure are convincing.
User avatar #2 - cumbersome (07/23/2014) [-]
First glance i thought that was an rs helmet
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