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#6 - anonasdaasdasd (10/11/2015) [+] (70 replies)
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#447 - anon (10/31/2015) [+] (1 reply)
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I fear that some day it will grow big enough to be considered serious and their opinions will matter. But man has and always will have the power to literally overcome all conflict , and when that time will come and it will be a senseless war between man and woman's rights. Will all decent women be treated the same as the nazis ?
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User avatar #56 - painispleasure (10/11/2015) [-]
it actually does. like, yeah i have mentioned it before that i got raped by my ex girlfriend, and i have mentioned how ****** it made me...

but like, this **** here? it's so accurate man. it really is. i remember every single detail about what happened, it was three ******* years ago, but i still remember man. i had basically just turned 18, and i thought **** it let's get a bottle of something decent, so we had Tesco's own brand Brandy. i still see the half drunk bottle under her bed side table. i still smell the alcohol on her breath. i still feel the spit on my body, the ******* insults running hard in my head, "you ******* faggot you know you want it, stop pretending like you don't" it ****** me up so hard.

and yet, if i tell someone, they give me that ******* ******** of, "oh but you must of wanted it cos you're a guy, right?" and that hurt me most of all man. that **** there. that hurt me so bad man, cos it's not even like that you're just a rape victim, you are a ******* insult to your gender. that's what hurts. the idea of being so much of a ******* pussy and a ******* useless person that you an insult to your gender, that's what ****** with me the most. it hurts me now too man. all i wanted was just something to ******* tell who i knew and trusted and i get hit with that.
**** man i just want it to end. i don't want to feel this way anymore. i don't want to feel scared.
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#252 to #56 - oslikriko (10/12/2015) [-]
I care about you buddy. You seem like a good person. I just don't know how to express it. Just don't ever do something stupid like take your life. Be strong, be happy, persevere.
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User avatar #319 to #56 - zaiopeperse (10/12/2015) [-]
Ah yes, the old "you must have wanted it". Almost as heartbreaking in my opinion as "you're a strong guy, you could've done something about it if you really didn't want it
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#334 to #319 - shistieone (10/12/2015) [-]
And yet if he had, she would of accused him of domestic abuse...

There really is no way out
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User avatar #417 to #334 - zaiopeperse (10/12/2015) [-]
I know right? And if I take it to court with no evidence other than having told my friends about it, it would be my word against hers and she has the double x chromosomes
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User avatar #205 to #56 - uncledick (10/12/2015) [-]
**** people. Keep going, don't let that **** dictate your life.
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User avatar #290 to #56 - mgarrigan (10/12/2015) [-]
pain isnt always pleasure my friend. **** everyone who wasn't there for you. if you ever need anything, anything at all, send me a message and ill give you my phone number and we can talk though it. ive been through a lot of **** too man, i wont try to compare anything to anything, but ill always be there for anyone who needs help getting through some serious stuff. there are plenty of people who love you man, dont you ever forget that.
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User avatar #291 to #56 - catburglarpenis (10/12/2015) [-]
Holy **** man.

I had a 14 year old babysitter shove his dick in my ass when I was 5, and it made me feel a little better when he killed himself 2 years later (say what you want, but the guy needed help, not death. It's still ****** up that a 16 year old hung himself...), but I didn't really get over it all until I started protecting others.

I didn't get over all the **** that happened to me literally until I joined the military. It's like this new therapy that they started doing for the PTSD crowd: Instead of talking about their feelings, they send them out to soup kitchens to work for a day. After they realize that they can still serve, protect and be useful to people they buck up, seeing those in worse situations than themselves. It's kind of like that. Once you pull a couple other people back from the brink, it puts it all in perspective. Let me know if you ever need to talk. At least one person on FJ love you.
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#336 to #291 - herparderpington (10/12/2015) [-]
Damn that's ****** up. Always remember though: life is short, live every moment the way you want the most. Other people and their thoughts can go **** themselves if you don't like them
Remember this always:
-What doesn't kill you makes you stronger.
-There's always people who have it worse and best
-Life is to be lived the way you see fit
-You can do anything you want but it always has consequences

I used to be super sensitive but then one day I thought:
Hold up why am I getting offended over everything?
Why do I care?
I can be better than this
And so can everyone
You are the product of millions of years of shaping of matter
You were born a winner: you were the fastest sperm
Don't let your dreams be dreams.




The real question is why am I browsing funnyjunk


If that ain't motivational I don't know what is
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User avatar #420 to #410 - catburglarpenis (10/12/2015) [-]
Sorry, computer was being ****** and spoilers weren't working.
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User avatar #438 to #420 - jesusisagoose (10/13/2015) [-]
oh ok
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User avatar #155 to #56 - battlebrotherlayn (10/12/2015) [-]
Holy **** , dude, if you ever need someone to talk to...
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User avatar #329 to #56 - lejunkyfaceman (10/12/2015) [-]
i am with you, mate. we stand strong together. best wishes, don't end it. **** everyone who gives you **** and **** everything that makes you unhappy. what happened has already happened. you cannot rewind time. so make the best out of all what's left. again, best wishes.
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#168 to #56 - anon (10/12/2015) [-]
You will only get over it when your convinced it was not your fault. It wasn't your fault man, you were taken advantage of by a person that only had themselves in mind.
It wasn't your fault, your a valuable person that people want to be around, that's value cannot be described in tangible assets, your company and knowledge can save lives and change people for the better, you can be anything you want to be and be as significant as you allow yourself. One damaging event will form you, but it dosnt have to define you. Accept it and acknowledge it and carry on.
Good night, and good luck.
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User avatar #212 to #168 - wraithguard (10/12/2015) [-]
Well said radio anon.
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User avatar #272 to #56 - magicexplain (10/12/2015) [-]
Its not your fault. You aren't a discrace to our gender. Our gender doesn't determine who we are or what we do. A terrible thing happened to you and I'm glad you're sharing it. I have never been raped before but I went through a pretty big custody battle with my ex for rights to have my son. She would party a lot tried to kill herself and threatened my life and I got 3 out of 7 days every week. I felt powerless for a long time but I know one day I'll be able to win maybe. Someday. Just keep struggling knockout punches rarely come in the first round they are given when everyone is at their limits and somebody falls down. Don't give up. You didn't do anything wrong. If you ever want to talk let me know.
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User avatar #312 to #56 - frutus ONLINE (10/12/2015) [-]
I want to give you a hug
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#324 to #56 - ohmytoast (10/12/2015) [-]
"its going to be ok lil ***** you can do it"
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#192 to #56 - versavicetwo (10/12/2015) [-]
You are battling the male stereotype that says all we want is sex. The way to win that battle is to know that you are an individual that has a set of values and aspirations that aren't as talked about...that's it. There are way more guys than you or I could know that don't concentrate their efforts toward getting laid. I'm one . You are not an insult to the male community...you are someone who was with the wrong person at the wrong time.
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User avatar #224 to #56 - largilloquent (10/12/2015) [-]
I feel for you man, my now ex gf tried to convince me to kill myself, it worked... it failed obviously and when she found out she laughed in my face
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#311 to #224 - anon (10/12/2015) [-]
Please dont try again...i know how it feels to want to end your life, please dont take yours.
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#450 to #56 - anon (11/03/2015) [-]
I had a much MUCH much less extreme 'first time' but it still gave me a good idea of the disparity between a woman's worth and my own. Basically, I met this girl during the summer between high school and college. We met at the outdoor adventure group thing meant to find you friends/contacts before school started (it was super fun, and worked). We talked for the month after that until I went up a week early and stayed over at her house, with her family, since she lived in the same city as the college we were both going to attend. Anywho, the time to take my V-card finally arrives (she wasn't a virgin, and had had a high school bf. Whatevs, that **** doesn't matter). We ended up having sex on her little brother's bed, I can't remember why.. and it went about as badly as every teenage boy's first time. Took me a bit to get the condom on, didn't last long, etc... and she laughed at me. Not, like, really maliciously or anything. But she giggled, and said something like "well that was certainly quick, haha" and then that was it. No cuddling, no round 2, she got off me and went to clean up. It didn't really hit me until later, but she gave 0 ***** about me emotionally, and didn't consider taking my virginity to have any meaning or significance, and gave it no special attention. Were the genders reversed, she would have been such a ****** boyfriend for being so callous.

Again, this was bay no means a tragic or lasting trauma, and had no lasting effects on my psyche or sexuality or anything like that. We ended up breaking up soon, and I ****** my way around my hall (poor choice, blew up in my face) until I found an awesome ********* who would end up being a great girlfriend for over a year. However, it was... telling. A girl's sexuality is supposed to be this special thing, and even if you laugh in the face of the whole saving yourself for marriage bs, her virginity is still considered to be special. A guy, on the other hand? Not so much.

And don't get me wrong: my mom was an accountant at a big 4 accounting firm. I'm well aware of the sexism and unfairness still present in corporate America. But SOCIALLY, girls and women have all the power. Boys and men carry the entire burden of a relationship, from courtship to money to making the sexual advances to performing in bed. Women are no longer held to the social conventions they once were: they are not expected to be pure, or to clean and cook, or to dress appropriately, or anything that was once a 50s standard: and that is absolutely OK. But men still have the same responsibilities and expectations hanging over them, and women have picked up none of the slack. We still have to pay for dates. We still have to make the first move. We still have to be providers. Women who work are empowered. Men who stay at home and raise the kids are lazy bums, and may be suspected to be pedophiles if they watch their kids at the park or the pool. When in relationships, women can say no to sex or "send their man to the couch" but men have to be ready and willing all the time.

And that doesn't even take into account divorces, rape charges, etc. Basically, being a man, socially, is terrifying. When I go up to a woman to buy her a drink at a bar or talk to her, she may well look at me, sneer, and say "ug, look at this creep." Just socially and emotionally devastating **** . And any woman has the power to just eviscerate any guy that get's up the courage to talk to them.

Oh, and one last thing. When I was in high school and college, I ran cross country and track. I ran in short shorts and shoes, no shirt (or tights during the winter). I ran on trails, I ran on roads, I ran and worked out in gyms.. and I got catcalled. A LOT. Mostly by women and girls. I had a 20 something girl stop her car and cat call me while I was walking into safeway with my mom. A lot of the "women only" problems - rape, catcalling, sexual harassment - aren't single sex problems. They just don't care when it happens to a man.
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#352 to #56 - arialynx (10/12/2015) [-]
Holy **** man, that's real rough. **** like this shouldn't happen to anyone. It'll be alright.
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User avatar #315 to #56 - klina (10/12/2015) [-]
consider the following

1. you will eventually die
2. literally no reason to rush it
3. there's **** in life that are kinda cool

therefore, live until you die while doing some **** that are kinda fun for you and don't give a **** about anything, you obviously are a person who gives way too many *****
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#379 to #56 - usaisnotamerica (10/12/2015) [-]
The past is in the past. **** all that **** and strive to be a badass at the things you do, with all the years you have left.
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#294 to #56 - anon (10/12/2015) [-]
Random long timer lurker here, add hero.metab on skype if you wanna talk about **** or just play games bro.
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User avatar #241 to #56 - nigeltheoutlaw (10/12/2015) [-]
I was raped as well, but when I was a kid by a couple of girls I didn't know. I can't imagine what it must have been like as an adult with someone you trusted. I don't know what it's worth, but my condolences.
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#190 - vorarephilia (10/12/2015) [-]
Don't lump men into one group. Some of us kill because we need to prevent an earthquake in California just like the neighbor dog said.
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User avatar #207 to #190 - harrykuntz (10/12/2015) [-]
Obviously ritual sacrifices don't count
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User avatar #225 to #190 - Darianvincent (10/12/2015) [-]
Kill something else so it can rain some more IT'S ******* 10 AT NIGHT IN OCTOBER AND IT'S HOT **** .
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User avatar #317 - sirformidio (10/12/2015) [-]
Also, Story Time!

When I was in high school, just a few short years ago, I had a bully who hated me. He would harass me every day. I went to the teacher, she did nothing. I went to the counselor, she did nothing. I went to the vice principle, he did nothing. I went to the principle, he did nothing. I recorded every single conversation because I was a paranoid little **** when I was 16.
One day this ********** comes into class and spits in my hair. I proceeded to stab him with my pen, then grabbed my textbook (Astronomy) and slammed him with it a few times. He cried and ran to the office. The principle brought my father in and mentioned how legal action may be taken against me. I showed them both that I tried all possible routes and nothing happened. All charges dropped, on the spot. The police officer present just gave the guy a death glare. Last I heard, the vice principle has since stepped down.
I should've brought them all to court with that evidence, maybe I could've done something about it.
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User avatar #327 to #317 - cookiecoketwo (10/12/2015) [-]
I had something like this happen to me. This redneck ****** , was a complete ass to me because he thought I was emo or something because I have long hair. So, fast forward of him being an ass the whole year, one day, at lunch, be decided to pull me out of the chair by pulling my hair. I start whailing on him, he runs off crying and gets the school cop to ******* ARREST me. Like, Put me in ******* cuffs, while the redneck was laughing and talking pics (which he later posted to twitter with the caption "this is why you don't **** with me!") and threw me in a locked detention room at the school. For two ******* hours, until they finally come in to tell me, "your dad is on the way, you're suspended for 3 days." None of them asking questions or anything. Because they "Got all the information they needed from the security cameras and the other kid."
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User avatar #344 to #327 - unbelievable (10/12/2015) [-]
I hope you killed him and burned the body afterwards, right?
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User avatar #349 to #344 - cookiecoketwo (10/12/2015) [-]
I wish.
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User avatar #343 to #317 - thedutchs (10/12/2015) [-]
>Be 13 and in class.
>Bunch of *********** at my table are calling me names.
>Tell them to stop.
>They laugh and continue
>After a while get pretty upset.
>Turns out they think it's hilarious.
>It was right after gym class so I still had deodorant in my backpack.
>Grab it and in one swoop spray deodorant in all of their eyes.
>They're rubbing their eyes and saying "ow ow ow why would you do that?"
>Get sent to principal.
>Tell story and how it made me feel.
>Get off scot free.
>People think I'm somewhat crazy so I don't get much **** anymore.

It was only a couple grades later that people started thinking of me as a normal person again.
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User avatar #419 to #343 - sirformidio (10/12/2015) [-]
Oh yeah, the kid I stabbed? he was terrified of me for the remainder of the year.
In fact, I met the vice principle in the supermarket a couple years later, which is about a year ago now. Apparently the kid I stabbed? Yeah, he's in Jail. I made sure to let him know that.
I'm an asshole, but I'm a correct asshole.
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#134 - cookingcookiez (10/12/2015) [-]
i remembered when my grade school banned tag, we were all really pissed off and would get in trouble every time we tried playing it when there were no teachers. same with cowboys and indians or playing soldiers or guns.
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User avatar #172 - mrstark (10/12/2015) [-]
Story time
When my dad divorced his ex wife about 20-25ish years ago she screwed him for everything. Of the money he had earned from his job (because she was 'looking after the kids') he got $4000(aud) and she got $103,000. Despite having gambling and alcohol problems, she got custody of his 3 daughters. My dad moved back in with his parents and saw his kids 1 a fortnight. My dad has now remarried (to my mother) and has grown his business. He owns a $1.2million house (where I live now) a $500,000 house that he rents out. His ex now is barely scraping by.
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User avatar #175 to #172 - ronyx (10/12/2015) [-]
can i borrow some money plis?
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#262 to #172 - anon (10/12/2015) [-]
SUCCESSS i feel happy for that man finally having his rightful way

**** the x
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#353 to #172 - arialynx (10/12/2015) [-]
Karma is a wonderful thing.
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#177 to #172 - anonoon (10/12/2015) [-]
**** , you dad's my inspiration. He's the literal definition of "Pulling yourself up by the bootstraps." Kudos to your dad.
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User avatar #180 to #177 - mrstark (10/12/2015) [-]
Cheers mate, he does foundations so labour intensive he's been doing foundations since he was 16 he moved to Australia just before his 17th birthday and has done foundations here for 46 years
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User avatar #39 - komandantmirkoo (10/11/2015) [-]
but what about muh soggy knees
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#38 - msamnesia (10/11/2015) [-]
just from what ive seen, a lot of this negative action is done by men to other men. if a boy wants to do ballet, girls dont give a **** . hell yeah you can play dolls with us, we need someone to be Ken.
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User avatar #40 to #38 - fazbear (10/11/2015) [-]
He can be Barbie, 'cause Ken is mine.
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#67 to #40 - funpunk (10/12/2015) [-]
I'll be your Ken any day.
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#131 to #67 - pinecest (10/12/2015) [-]
I doubt the legitimacy of isitporn.com
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#282 to #244 - itskennyandjosh (10/12/2015) [-]
**itskennyandjosh used "*roll picture*"**
**itskennyandjosh rolled image** GOD DAMMIT, well i guess time to go look at some charizard porn
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#97 to #91 - funpunk (10/12/2015) [-]
I'd show you, but I don't wanna get banned. Have this instead. This is the lewdest thing someone can post here without getting banned.
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User avatar #81 to #67 - homosexualpirate (10/12/2015) [-]
S-s-source?
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#14 - thatguycrow (10/11/2015) [-]
I know I'm gonna get thumbed down to hell for this, but the idea of masculinity is in a lot of ways the cause of these things. The idea of being masculine embodies a lot of those things: losing virginity, being into certain hobbies (sports etc), being expendable, being strong, providing for your family, not showing emotion, etc etc.

Now, not to say there's anything inherently bad with being masculine, I mean if it makes you happy then do whatever you want, the problem is that boys are expected to fit into that concept of masculinity and are shamed for not doing so. Compare that to women, who aren't expected to fit into the mold of femininity as much anymore: if you're a girl and you like sports and action films, you're cool, but if you're a guy and you like dance and romance films you're pathetic, you're weak, you're a cuck, etc.

Now I'm not totally agreeing with the feminist side of things that masculinity is itself the problem and needs to be put to an end, but do consider how much boys are pressured into being masculine from an early age, and just how damaging that can be.

So before you state that people are blaming masculinity as the cause of the high rate of male suicide and other issues, and therefore imply that it isn't, do think for a moment about how it is very much linked to the problem.
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User avatar #223 to #14 - bloodrocutation (10/12/2015) [-]
Faggot
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User avatar #146 to #14 - theshrew (10/12/2015) [-]
What do you mean by "how much boys are pressured into being masculine from an early age, and just how damaging that can be." Not trying to be a cunt ,just wondering what you mean by that.
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User avatar #346 to #146 - meringueluka (10/12/2015) [-]
you know how the media says all women she have bib boobs, size zero waist supper skinny. that kidna junk. it's the same for men but with the masculine side, like being strong, hiding emotions, being ripped etc.

and both are ******* BS.
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User avatar #191 to #14 - JonathanNowFuckYou (10/12/2015) [-]
I think anybody can seriously hold their own if called out for liking something. I feel like I can appreciate just about anything but I certainly don't try to. If any adult made any sort of negative comment about my hobbies I think I would just give them a puzzled look and ask them if they were serious. Then, when they realise they have done something that only a 6th grader would do, I'd maybe stop talking that weird weird person. Why would I be having a conversation with somebody that openly mocks my hobbies? It's ok to dislike them but ******* hell who has actually had to defend themselves like this?
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User avatar #24 to #14 - kristovsky (10/11/2015) [-]
Whether you like it or not, it is necessary. Women aren't attracted, in general, to feminine men (case study: Japan). They are attracted to strong men, physically and mentally. The aspects of masculinity exist today because female biology find them attractive, because they are necessary. Somebody needs to be strong, somebody needs to lead, somebody needs to build homes and catch the families food. That is the role of men biologically. The reason femininity and masculinity, these mostly opposing concepts exist, is because the two sides of the coin are necessary and favourable for survival, as dictated by evolution. That is why men, in general are physically stronger than women.

And being masculine is not easy. It requires you to work hard, be tough, be brave, be bold, be confident, be strong and be decisive. In general, being feminine is much easier. That is why our society punishes men for not being masculine, it's because they aren't taking up the job that our evolution dictated as necessary, it "hurts the tribe" (and you will notice that often the same is true for females that aren't feminine). So yes, society COULD stop forcing masculinity upon men. Then what would happen? We would have a society of feminised men that women do not want to date, whom women are not attracted to, who don't take on the tough roles that are necessary for our continuation as a society and species. Then you get a demographic crisis and society starts to fall apart. Watch Japan and South Korea because this is exactly what is happening in those places, and has started happening in Europe.
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User avatar #25 to #24 - thatguycrow (10/11/2015) [-]
"Women aren't attracted, in general, to feminine men"
Odd, because most of the women I've known says they like a guy who's "in touch with his feminine side."

And I'm pretty sure our society has advanced to the point where we don't need every single man to be a strong leader figure. Like I said, if being masculine and fulfilling those roles is what you want or what you enjoy that's fine. I'm not saying we should get rid of all masculinity, or that no men should be masculine. I'm saying men should be free to express themselves or be their own person without fear of being shamed and ridiculed because they aren't masculine.
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#333 to #25 - anon (10/12/2015) [-]
If that's what women really wanted, they'd date women.

But they don't, because they don't.

If you don't want to be "manly" or whatever, that's all fine and good. . But I'd just think about if that's how you actually feel or if that's what you've been conditioned into
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#284 to #25 - genasi (10/12/2015) [-]
Sure they like those guys, which is why they enjoy hanging out with their bestest hipster friend, talking about their feelings and stuff. And then their square-jawed hunk of a boyfriend arrives on his motorcycle to pick them up. That's just how things are. No matter how advanced our society becomes, it won't erase those parts of the female DNA that makes them feel all tingly inside when motorcycle dude arrives and silently waits for her to hop on his bike while staring stoically into the sunset.


also, basically everything kristovsky said
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User avatar #28 to #25 - kristovsky (10/11/2015) [-]
"In touch with his feminine side" is women code for a guy that will sit and listen to them talk about their feelings.

And if you think any society is better than 600 million years of evolution then not only are you foolish, but you are also arrogant. Every action we do as humans comes as a result of our instincts, whether consciously or subconsciously. That means that our societies are dictated largely by these same instincts. No, we don't "need" every man to be the epitome masculinity, that won't happen anyway. The point is that men strive to be that, even if they know they will never achieve it. Desiring to better one's self is also a masculine trait, and it's what keep us moving forward technologically, culturally and politically. In other words, a less masculine society is one which slows down. Like I said, both femininity and masculinity are needed, but when one gets heavily skewed in favour of the model breaks down. And this is exactly what you propose, unless you also want women to be less feminine, in which case we will have a society of clone like people where females are indistinguishable from males.

Now, I'm a liberal, and I believe that people should be able to do what they want. However, don't be silly and try to think there will ever be a utopia. When societies get less masculine and become feminised, which is what you are proposing don't deny it, they become weaker. Look at Rome, once they stopped fighting their own wars and filled their legions with mercenaries because they wanted the easy life, the mercenaries sacked Rome and destroyed their empire, along with barbarians that the Romans also couldn't stomach fighting because they had become soft. Look at Sweden and how feminised men are there, why do you think every Swede girl is looking to immigrants for babies? It's because Swedish men are viewed as timid and weak.

Ultimately the more feminine men get left behind anyway, male feminists sure don't get any loyalty from their girlfriends.
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User avatar #75 to #24 - Shiny ONLINE (10/12/2015) [-]
Literally every de jure disadvantage men have in society is based on the idea that men are inherently stronger, more aggressive and more dangerous than women, but this is somehow the fault of the feminazis (or Jews judging by your pic, lel)?

You're getting what you want and complaining about it. That's not just hypocrisy, that's doublethink.
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User avatar #378 to #75 - kristovsky (10/12/2015) [-]
I'm not complaining about anything, did you even read my comment?
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User avatar #401 to #378 - Shiny ONLINE (10/12/2015) [-]
Yes, and it was stupid, because masculinity as a survival trait became pointless once firearms were invented and popularized.
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User avatar #414 to #401 - kristovsky (10/12/2015) [-]
Yeah, how many pussies join the military?
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User avatar #323 to #14 - erotictentacle (10/12/2015) [-]
I just want to throw in here that my strive for masculinity is actually what kept me going and improve myself
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User avatar #27 to #14 - choobe (10/11/2015) [-]
First of all, sorry for the rant, halfway through I thought "maybe it isn't worth it", but then I was already to far along".

Not going to thumb you down, but there is a lot more to masculinity than what you mentioned, and almost noone is pressured into masculinity in the western world, femininity is widely preferred. Masculinity is being competetive, and we move more an more in the "noone is keeping score, everybody gets a participation trophy!". Maculinity is being direct, and we are more and more pushed in the direction of "consider everyone's feelings before you talk" and having to sugarcoat everything. And god forbid some boys fight, then it's suspension for both not saying fighting should be encouraged, but unless it's very serious a rough talk, detention or a phone home is all that is needed

Because whatever feminists say, gender roles are largely biological or so ingrained socially that despite noone teaching them away (like in my school, noone did say "this is how boys are, this is how girls are") people still subconsciously learn them, and at that point I don't really think you can blame "gender roles" , you mostly mentiioned interests, but that's almost none of it. If a guys owns liking dance or romance films, then people will respect him for it, sure he will be ripped on by his friends, but no more than any other interest that isn't "mainstream" in that friend group. And likewise, noone cares if a girl likes motorcycles or action films, but can you I'm assuming you are a straight male, since it's the norm in here honestly say it wouldn't be turned off by a girl who sits "manspreading" on the couch while drinking beer, farting and telling crude jokes and generally acting "man-like"? now, I'm not saying any of those things are wrong, and I'm not saying a single of those things would kill my attraction to a woman, but all together... .

Now on to the problem with male suicide, I think the problems stem from boys being from they're little encouraged to act feminine, and when they do that in the real world, people are disgusted by them, they get nowhere. And what they've been told their whole life, "you are fine just the way you are" no longer holds up, they get depressed, and they don't know what to do, they lose purpose. And when they express doubt with what they've learned they either get reinforcement on what they've been told, or they're being ridiculed for actually believing that. And that's how suicides or school shootings happens. But that's just what I think but it's interesting that it's almost exclusively males who do it.
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#117 to #27 - anon (10/12/2015) [-]
nah u got it, guys are raised to either with a **** ton of pressure to be masculine or with the assurance they dont have to be masculine if they don't want to but when they act feminine they get ripped on by everyone and get super confused and upset by the disparity
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User avatar #248 to #27 - alucord (10/12/2015) [-]
Right on for me
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User avatar #406 to #27 - Shiny ONLINE (10/12/2015) [-]
Being direct and striving to be better than people who don't try are just positive traits, not masculine. By this reasoning, women who are good people are basically defective.

I mean really, women can be just as cruel, uncaring and manipulative as men, and when kids shoot up schools, nobody gave two ***** about their personal problems just before. Mental health has nothing to do with your chromosomes.
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User avatar #407 to #406 - choobe (10/12/2015) [-]
First of all; no, it's not "just" positive traits, they aren't even universally positive traits. Second of all I wasn't talking about just "trying to be better than people who don't try", but trying to be the best. Testosterone is a big contributor to how competetive you are, and males have much more testosterone than females, so males are more competetive, generally. In fact it's so much that two people trying to one-up each other is called a "dick measuring contest", and while women can and will occationally also engage in it, it's a much bigger part of a mans life.

Thirdly; being direct. This is so much "Not-a-female-trait" that there are stereotypes built around it, the silent treatment for example? Or backhanded complimens and other tactics girls use when they fight inbetween themselves to try to put down the other part. Girls are also much more likely to consider someone's feelings before they talk, and try to not hurt them. And while that's nice, it is not being direct. And while not all women are like that, it is mostly women who are like that.

Also; no person is built on just masculine or just feminine traits, and exhibiting some traits "classically" assosiated with the other gender is not "wrong" or being defective: And there are a lot of feminine traits that also are assosiated with being a good person, being nurturing for example.

And I didn't say that women can't be as cruel and manipulative as men, some of them are even a great deal better at it than most men. And finally; when it comes to mental health, there are four alternatives:
A: Mental health is a bigger problem in males.
B: We are better at picking up mental problems in females.
C: Females have different and less violent mental problems.
D: Mental problems are latent at the same rate in both genders, but society breaks males in greater numbers.
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User avatar #409 to #407 - Shiny ONLINE (10/12/2015) [-]
"...and other tactics girls use when they fight inbetween themselves to try to put down the other part."
Is this not also part of a competitive mentality?
"Girls are also much more likely to consider someone's feelings before they talk, and try to not hurt them. And while that's nice, it is not being direct."
Problem solving is always being direct. Considering emotional bias or influence is only not being direct when it is in attempt to avoid the problem, not get closer to it.
"Also; no person is built on just masculine or just feminine traits, and exhibiting some traits "classically" assosiated with the other gender is not "wrong" or being defective: And there are a lot of feminine traits that also are assosiated with being a good person, being nurturing for example."
How is the desire to provide for your family and teach your children to be strong not a nurturing one? The stereotype that men aren't nurturing is the entire reason women have an extreme advantage in child custody!
This same site harps on eternally about how bigoted and stupid it is to assume men are all more aggressive by nature. Jesus.
"Mental health is a bigger problem in males." "Mental problems are latent at the same rate in both genders"
lol k
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User avatar #411 to #409 - choobe (10/12/2015) [-]
1. "and while women can and will occationally also engage in it, it's a much bigger part of a mans life. ..."
2. Maybe, but problem solving isn't the only way to be direct. But maybe males are more "Problem solving oriented" in general? Not saying it definitely is like that, but it would explain why when girls vent about problems they really just want to get it out, while males go into "problem solving mode" and offer up solutions to everything.
3. Look, we can argue semantics all day long, I assume you know what I meant? As a very crude/simplified example:
"Mom, I got a boo-boo!", "There there honey, mommy will kiss it better" <-- feminine/nurturing
"Dad, I got a boo-boo!" "It's just a scratch, go play" <-- masculine/teaching And I don't say that males aren't nurturing, I'm saying it's a feminine trait. Also I don't presume to speak for the whole of FunnyJunk, so you'll have to take that debate with someone else, but if it helps I have never heard anyone say the presumption is stupid in itself, just that it's stupid to assume that women are better parents by default.
4. Well, what other alternative is there that explains why males shoot up schools and commit suicide at much bigger rates than females?
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User avatar #412 to #411 - Shiny ONLINE (10/12/2015) [-]
First point is special pleading. You can't make generalizations about whole groups of people if they aren't certain, i.e. the vast majority of females have estrogen.
"Maybe, but problem solving isn't the only way to be direct."
Doesn't need to be. That is my point, that masculinity doesn't mean being direct, being direct means being direct.
"Look, we can argue semantics all day long, I assume you know what I meant?"
I do, but masculinity and femininity are about what and why people do things more than how they do things. Teaching, for example, is a part of nurturing, because it's meant to help someone grow as a person.
And how people are treated regarding gender has far more to do with them than who is doing the treating, largely due to cognitive bias. This isn't necessarily bad, obviously, but still.
"Well, what other alternative is there that explains why males shoot up schools and commit suicide at much bigger rates than females?"
Because they're told to shut up and not have feelings, because men are masculine.
Third-wave feminists don't want to eliminate gender difference, they want to exacerbate it as much as possible. They aren't misguided, they're lying.
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User avatar #415 to #412 - choobe (10/12/2015) [-]
First point: Testosterone is linked to competetiveness, not saying it's the only contributor, but it's one of the the biggest. Are you denying this? Or are you saying it's special pleading to say that males have in general much higher testosterone levels, since I can't say that there doesn't exist females with higher testosterone levels than some men?

Can you elaborate on this "directness" point? My position is directness is something that's seen much more in males, therefore it is a masculine trait, and the opposite (indirectness) is seen much more in femlaes, therefore it is a feminine trait.

Okay, maybe teaching is a nurturing trait, but in that case it was my use of the word "nurturing" that was imprecise for my point. Teaching compassion and empathy would be feminine, while teaching a skill would be masculine. In my eyes.

I don't think boys are told to not have feelings in today's society, it would be a scandal if an authority figure said that. And besides, even if boys are told that, I bet it was teached away with much bigger intensity back in the days, but there were fewer school shootings and mass killings then.

And I think feminists want all male privileges without the male responsibilies that follow , without giving up their female ones.
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User avatar #416 to #415 - Shiny ONLINE (10/12/2015) [-]
If women can be masculine and men can be feminine, them masculinity isn't male and vice versa. It's a personality trait. The problem here is the fundamental attribution error: people are sapient, autonomous beings that can choose what they do, regardless of genetic predisposition.

"I don't think boys are told to not have feelings in today's society, it would be a scandal if an authority figure said that."
"And besides, even if boys are told that, I bet it was teached away with much bigger intensity back in the days, but there were fewer school shootings and mass killings then."
There were also less people. Times change.

Not an authority figure, their parents.
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User avatar #418 to #416 - choobe (10/12/2015) [-]
Ooooh, okay, got you. I agree.

But I still don't think the problem is that boys are told not to have feelings, it would have been a bigger problem earlier if that was it. I think it comes from boys being raised like girls, and being compared to the "female ideal".
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User avatar #421 to #418 - Shiny ONLINE (10/12/2015) [-]
I think that'd be awful, but I can't see it happening right now. IMO the ideals people are forced into aren't fitting for anyone, they're manufactured for political and economic expedience.
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#21 to #14 - drewjitsu (10/11/2015) [-]
Or maybe its the folks expecting too much from others or the folks who want someone to be something they aren't. It isn't about masculinity, but expecting someone to compromise their own identity to appease. I'm a guy, but masculinity was never reinforced nor discouraged. Yet, I've still had some impulses that I'm glad I didn't act on because I'm bi-polar. Blaming masculinity may as well be ignoring the issue.

Aside from that, the only way to "fix" this "issue" is for future generations not to push their children into things that put undue duress on the child. Gay children with parents who "don't agree" with homosexuality (quotes because that's a ******* stupid statement, there's nothing to agree with). Children being pressured into sports instead of arts or arts instead of sports; a child pressured into assuming his "duties" at the family business, where he'll rot for all eternity because the family wants it; a child who needs mental help with parents who believe psychology is voodoo.

If our education system were adequate, we'd be a more tolerant bunch. Understanding goes a long ways in resolving conflict. Blaming masculinity, however, is like blaming a common cold on the headache it gives you. No, headache is part of the cold...its like blaming the water you drank to take the pill for the headache from the cold.
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User avatar #22 to #21 - thatguycrow (10/11/2015) [-]
Like I said, masculinity itself is not the problem, it's how society pushes those ideas of masculinity onto boys that is, and shames those who don't fit the mold.
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#408 to #22 - drewjitsu (10/12/2015) [-]
but society doesn't do that as much as feminism claims it does.
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User avatar #362 to #14 - talpss (10/12/2015) [-]
Feminism is the problem because it has attatched a negative stigma to anything not 100% masculine, really.
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User avatar #403 to #362 - Shiny ONLINE (10/12/2015) [-]
The problem is, what defines masculinity and femininity in a society that is no longer dictated by baser instinct? If different people are making radically different assumptions about how society works, i.e. whether masculinity or femininity is rampant, all that tells me is that their claims speak more about them than society.
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User avatar #33 to #14 - heartlessrobot (10/11/2015) [-]
******* hell though. I'm a sissy little buttslut and I'm still one of the strongest in my group of friends and at scouts. I'm the one that carries the heavy **** , I'm the one they turn to to cut firewood. Masculinity is easy to conform to. All you have to do is lift and beat yourself up inside to the point where you have almost complete control over your emotions. Totally not psychologically damaging or anything.
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User avatar #196 to #33 - JonathanNowFuckYou (10/12/2015) [-]
"sissy little buttslut"... thats the same kind of self-deprecation that comes from a stone-hearted ************ . You weigh up the odds, make decision, and don't give a **** .

Although obviously it can't be too healthy to beat yourself up, there is a real humility and modesty in it. It's a strangely likable quality.
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User avatar #230 to #196 - heartlessrobot (10/12/2015) [-]
Oh, it's probably very unhealthy, but it works for me.
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#331 to #14 - anon (10/12/2015) [-]
I think you're real close to the answer but you're missing it by just a little.

Masculinity is a natural thing for men. It is essentially what makes men, men. It honestly should come as no surprise that men want to act like men.

If the issue was that men were being forced into being masculine, we would have had these problems in the past. But we don't; they seem to be getting worse quite recently.

And to be blunt, society has become far more feminized in recent years. Men are told to not be what they're inclined to be naturally from as early as grade school. They're taught to not be what their biology urges them to be.

It creates the sense that there's something wrong with you. That you're defective by nature.

And what you describe might actually come into play here: Boys are raised to suppress the more masculine of their characteristics, but then they're still expected to have them when it's convenient.

In short, it's an identity crisis, and we could solve most of it if we just "let boys be boys".
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User avatar #171 to #14 - rockerforlife (10/12/2015) [-]
Not to mention is mostly guys making fun of other guys.
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#255 to #171 - anon (10/12/2015) [-]
if guys arent doing it, them the girls will
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User avatar #142 - wolfmango (10/12/2015) [-]
I understand that men are treated like **** . I also understand that women are often treated like **** . Moral of the story, people are treated like **** , focusing on one or the other isn't going to help. Fix both
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#263 to #142 - anon (10/12/2015) [-]
moral of the story, people are assholes and shouldn't be
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#194 to #142 - anon (10/12/2015) [-]
The difference is that women get sympathy special treatment in return, even when it's neither needed nor deserved.
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#129 - anotherponyaccount (10/12/2015) [-]
If you stood up to a bully at my school, you got pulled into the principal's office and that was about it. thing was I liked fighting them, it's the only reason I did it
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User avatar #114 - fourfangedferret (10/12/2015) [-]
Holy ********* batman! Look at all these opinions!
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#116 to #114 - crixuz [OP](10/12/2015) [-]
Beautiful isn't it?
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User avatar #4 - klina (10/11/2015) [-]
I don't exactly agree with everything Milo says, but he's on point for some things, and I've got to give credit where credit's due.
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#162 - anon (10/12/2015) [-]
I think I've talked about this many many many times here in fj but eh.

My mother, a drug addict plus a bit of an alcoholic got the custody of me and my brother. at first it was alright, I mean dad wasn't really a good adult either back then. but he started to realize "I made dese.".
he started to notice that both me and Jesse were kinda ****** up. either we didn't have clean clothes, enough of them or they didn't really fit, or we had lacking in hygiene, plus both of us didn't really have that many friends and we kept to ourselves, lied a lot and then got sick from lying and puked, we were socially reserved and we skipped school a lot and he eventually got in contact with the teacher about it. the teacher and the nurse was on my dads side. didn't get our custody.
at that time mother had another man that was some small time criminal and a dealer. my brother got beaten up by him the first time when he was 9yo. this continued and the violence in our home was well known in the neighborhood and in our school.
we were both very brain washed or had this love to our mother so we didn't want to leave her so we protected her by lying to everyone. sometimes our lies broke and when mom got in trouble about it she became really mad at us. Jesse big bro was the first one to realize that mom was bad. he stayed with me and mom because he was afraid what would become of me, what would our stepdad do to me if he wasn't around. all of this I heard later on btw. he was worried because he had always taken the beating for me. if I had made stepdad angry my bro would come and make him channel his rage at him instead of me. I also heard later on that he had raped him, and that was the last thing he could take. I was at the shops when it happened, stepdad knocked him unconscious and when he came to, he was in his ass. .
one day my bro snapped and left to my dads place, he was 13 at the time. I stayed behind about two years until mother abandoned me to our apartment we had rented mom split up from stepdad and got ourselves a one small room to live in. too bad he took the ****** in after a week and now as a preteen I had to share a small room with a violent pedophile. after disappearing for a week to god knows where, bro came over, made me drink I was 13 and for the first time I poured all of my heart out and cried for hours. the next day he took me to my dads place.
my dad had stopped his rock mucisian career when Jesse had moved in. he knew he needed more income to support him, Jesse and our stepmom. he took a ****** job he hated, and I can't stress this enough but he is not a person who does a normal job, especially if it's ****** . he did it for us.
and you know what's the craziest part? he fought for our custody for years. we were visibly suffering, lived in awful conditions sometimes no electricity in the middle of the winter, moldy houses etc. , skipped school, were more socially awkward than normal children... and it's not enough proof. it was until my bro opened his eyes and later on pulled me from the same **** that he got our custody.
It makes no sense. we were clearly lying, disturbed and beaten kids.

oh right I forgot. mothers love is the strongest and mothers are superheroes!!1 **** that ******* **** . who came up with that myth? why is it still told to us like it's a truth? not every mother is a saint. not every father is good for nothing.

there are two heroes in my life and neither of them is my mom. thanks to my mom I had to receive years of therapy but now when I'm 20 and it's all behind, I feel like I function, I feel alive and somewhat normal. I'm going to become a successful person.


give more rights to men. custody cases shouldn't be auto-win for mothers. I don't have more space to write about other rights that men need but yeah, men need more rights.
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#281 - thechosentroll (10/12/2015) [-]
I'd hate to be. Wait, actually, scratch that, I love being "that guy".

Personally, I'm OK with men being treated like **** . I wish women were treated like **** , too. Why? Because life isn't ******* sunshine and roses and people need to learn how to deal with it. Something, which has been horribly neglected these past couple of decades. So many of the people around me are spineless little ***** , who are used to always getting their way and being treated like a little prince or princess. People who give up on whatever they were doing the second they encounter an obstacle and whine until someone else comes and removes the obstacle. These are the people you get when you treat them nicely. And the reason most of these people are women is because men are still held to some basic standards like "Be able to control your ******* emotions" or "Think for yourself". The stuff you'd classify as being treated like **** . And as all this progressive crap spreads, I see more and more men turn into the same basic spineless bitches as the majority of women I've had to deal with. And when life eventually knees these ******* in the gut, they have no idea how to deal with it and off themselves.
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User avatar #342 to #281 - notanotheraccount (10/12/2015) [-]
Most of this I agree with, but the control your emotions part, I know and have known many boys who have been bullied at school and at home for **** like crying or being angry at someone, controlling your emotions is not hiding them all the time, its making sure theyre mild when youre in public/with people.
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User avatar #383 to #281 - quoterox (10/12/2015) [-]
Personally, I think it should be somewhere in between.

People shouldn't have others treating them like **** for expressing themselves, but we also shouldn't foster this feeling of self entitlement everpresent in modern society.
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User avatar #390 to #383 - thechosentroll (10/12/2015) [-]
I agree. The problem is that people suck at staying in the middle. Compromise requires you to be able to maintain a certain balance, while sticking to an extreme is easy as hell.
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User avatar #233 - yourbaus (10/12/2015) [-]
thats because men are held to a higher standard

because men are better
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User avatar #163 - fiveblackmen (10/12/2015) [-]
I agree with everything here except the use of the word liberal. What is being described is extremist feminism, not liberalism, and there is a difference. Feminists may describe themselves as liberals but they really aren't. Most liberals don't think this **** is alright, the same way most conservatives don't believe what the tea party republicans are trying to do is right. This is extremism at its worst and is becoming eerily similar to the blacklisting of "communists" in the 50s and 60s. The only thing missing is the people getting called to testify in front of congress and being blacklisted as misogynist. This is not an issue of liberals being the problem, it is an issue of massively misinformed, third wave "feminists" and other idiots blaming everyone that isn't a far right extremist as being the problem.
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#214 to #163 - anon (10/12/2015) [-]
Extremist feminism is a liberal view. You're never going to get that off of you until we as a society purge them from existence.
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User avatar #431 to #214 - fiveblackmen (10/13/2015) [-]
It isn't really a liberal view anymore. The feminists that wanted equality were liberal. Third wave feminism is more like fascism which is actually an extreme of the right. They may claim to be about equality but they are really about the subjugation of men. Liberalism is an ideology based on equality.
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User avatar #232 to #163 - jafkdb (10/12/2015) [-]
Calling the Tea Party extremeists is not accurate at all. They want the gov to follow the constitution and that's pretty much it.
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User avatar #432 to #232 - fiveblackmen (10/13/2015) [-]
No they don't. They want to uphold some of the constitution while ignoring other parts of it like freedom of religion and separation of church and state. They claim they want small government but then try to use the federal government to oppress people with beliefs that differ from their own. They are fanatical and absolutely refuse to compromise under any circumstances. They claim to be conservative but the actual conservatives hate them because they do nothing but impede anything resembling progress at all levels of the government. The actual conservative republicans hate them because they are so ******* radical but they are afraid to kick them out of the party because they now make up close to a 3rd of it and breaking up the republican party would guarantee a democrat president for the next several elections. I am not liberal and I am not conservative, believing that both sides have valid points but I have yet to see a tea party member make a decent point on anything. They are all stuck in the 1950s and can't get their heads around the fact that the world and the US have changed.
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User avatar #174 to #163 - JonathanNowFuckYou (10/12/2015) [-]
You are 100% right. I like your focus on clarifying definitions and the intentions of individuals being misinterpreted. Obviously I don't know your life story but I'd like to say that you represent real liberalism (if I qualify for saying so). Of course there are people that would disagree. It's frustrating sometimes because it seems so easy to look at a situation and the people involved with rationality and very often the people that would call themselves skeptics will come to the same conclusions as each other. It's a bad comparison to make but the ability to reason is like a religion that everyone is truly born with. You don't have to read any specific books or listen to any didacts in order to grasp universal concepts like cause and effect, logical fallacies and inconsistencies with arguments that stick out like a sore thumb.

The irony (and the reason for the religious comparison) is that religion and reason have so many parallels that a religious person could just as easily say that I am deluded and in their mind they would be right. I'm going to stop here because I did the "internet athiest thing" and brought up religion, but I think I was just providing a bit of a stream of consciousness to see what you agree with and what you don't.
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User avatar #430 to #174 - fiveblackmen (10/13/2015) [-]
I'm not even a liberal, I just hate words being twisted around by idiots that don't know what the word actually means.
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#136 - bohemianblasphemy (10/12/2015) [-]
About time someone said it outright.
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#195 to #136 - anon (10/12/2015) [-]
Yeah...now let's have somebody who actually has power to change it speak up for us. Oh that's right, it'll never happen because feminists have a death grip on the media.
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User avatar #218 to #195 - theroflcer ONLINE (10/12/2015) [-]
Milo isn't just preaching on twitter
www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3r0atokQvc
www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdbAxDdtMZs
www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTn68Qycz0U

And while feminists find themselves talking more often on the bigger news sights, no one (Based on the video downvotes) seems to buy into their ******** .
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User avatar #277 - therealfell (10/12/2015) [-]
you know this **** happens to both genders
you can't blame either as a whole for what those with mental illnesses do

and men are the ones who do this **** the most
calling each other faggots, weak, pussies, cracking jokes on the ones who are virgins

as carlin called it, the male disease. you want it to stop, you have to stop it within your own gender as well.

and women are called sluts for NOT being virgins, women are made fun of (by other women) for not being feminine enough, not wearing the right clothes, looking a certain way, women are constantly taught their sole purpose in life is to pop out babies and make their men happy, men stand to lose everything in a divorce, but women can lose everything in marriage. meaning, once you're married and have kids, you don't even get to take a piss on your own anymore. you're never allowed "you" time.

it's ****** for both genders. rather than pointing fingers, we all need to work together on this **** .

funnyjunk is like tumblr, and most don't even realize it.
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User avatar #276 - emptysuperman ONLINE (10/12/2015) [-]
It's not any different when you do. Stop being a SJW. Men and women have it bad in different ways, but there is no systematic oppression of either gender.
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User avatar #279 to #276 - therealfell (10/12/2015) [-]
******* thank you, there is some intelligence here
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