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#9 - allamericandude (01/05/2016) [-]
I find this hard to believe. Considering the bow was the only long range personal weapon at the time, people would surely get good at it. Not to mention people like the famous Mongol archers who could hit ridiculous targets while riding on horseback.
#48 to #9 - anon (01/05/2016) [-]
medieval archers didn't fire pantsy ass trick shot bows , they would take a lot of force to fire , and to fire fast you would need to sacrifice accuracy

www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCE40J93m5c

these guys don't hit all their shots at 25 meter on a non moving target with no preassure to preform , and i seriously doubt they are incompetent archers

#37 to #9 - majordraco (01/05/2016) [-]
Yeah that's a bunch of **** .
User avatar #67 to #37 - trollmobile (01/05/2016) [-]
that guy has been confirmed a complete fraud innumerable times.
those techniques are well-known to anyone that knows jack **** about archery.
they're never used, because you can't hit anything with them.

those clips in the video? you can bet your ass those are take 150 or so.
horribly inaccurate and does ******* against armor.
they were techniques used by early middle-ages archers, for very specific purposes.
never were they the standard.

this video is some infomercial level **** .
#41 to #37 - anon (01/05/2016) [-]
He's using a weak as hell bow and not drawing it all the way. It'd only be a threat to someone with no armor
#44 to #41 - miasaki ONLINE (01/05/2016) [-]
I get what you are saying, and there are plenty of "professionals" (Idk what the hell makes you a pro in archery and I did not look into them at the time.) calling the guy out and saying that hes **** or out of form, its been known for years, yada, yada, yada. But they did show em getting through chain mail as well as the padded buffer (Granted they did not directly show us in this particular vid, but there are trick archers that do it with ease.) which were far more common and cheaper throughout history than a suit of plate and not as tightly woven/jointed as most assume.

You could go on saying why hes not a good example for one reason or another, but a object piercing someone was not something you shrugged off back in the day. The methods shown have been present for a while, trick archery exists and employs a lot of what was shown, they still have to pierce objects tougher and thicker than human skin.

Your statement is like saying a video of someone using a .22 is retarded because it does not have as much stopping power as a decently loaded .45 and is only good on people with very little to no protection. Everything has its use.
#313 to #44 - eiaisqzbsesb (01/05/2016) [-]
I would be inclined to believe that that's knitted mail, but the video quality makes it hard to tell.
You see, an arrow piercing both a properly made Gambeson and Riveted mail is next to impossible, seeing as piercing the two require drasticly different arrowheads.
To get through the mail, you'd need a bodkin arrow, which was thin and pointed enough to sneak in between the rings of a mail armour. However, a gambeson's weave is actualy really resistant to being pierced through due to the uneven layering of cloth. If you wanna get an arrow through a Gambeson, you'll want to use a broad-headed arrow that cuts through the weave, but then that arrow won't be able to get through the chainmail. Due to this, there are several instances of european crusaders being described as pincushions or hedgehogs as they commonly wore a gambeson over chainmail.
#321 to #313 - alexanderh (01/05/2016) [-]
The gambeson was practically always worn UNDER the maille.
#318 to #313 - miasaki ONLINE (01/05/2016) [-]
Neat, tyvm for the info!
#101 to #44 - cherubium (01/05/2016) [-]
It doesn't actually look like they break any rings but rather just go inbetween the rings as far as these arrows can before being stopped and get stuck in the soft foam he used under the maille.
#115 to #101 - cherubium (01/05/2016) [-]
and it looks like he is using butted mail which wasn't used very much in europe and is way weaker than riveted mail that europeans used.
#252 to #115 - miasaki ONLINE (01/05/2016) [-]
Chain mail was difficult to break(Significantly at least, kinda iffy with a bladed weapon. However, you could use a twisting motion to break/dislodge a link or two if your blade could handle it. No idea if this was employed as it would be risky in a actual fight, I've seen people recreate it and stuff.), hence why I said "through". Chain was good and sturdy, but to a thin arrow or blade it could either block completely, or redirect and hope it does not pierce/wiggle its way through.

They were explaining things from a variety of archers throughout history, I'm not an expert on types of mail, I could not tell ya which one he was using as a target. I'm simply stating that the methods he used are possible, there are some very skilled trick archers that perform quite well and have made similar moves/actions (Youtube recommendations after watching this guy and a couple of documentaries a while back). I'm sure some poor sap was stuck with the weaker/cheaper mail or had some links broken or dinged that they could not get repaired on the move or in the heat of battle.
User avatar #22 to #9 - pipeworks (01/05/2016) [-]
Part of it is that archers didn't have to aim. They just pointing in the general direction of the enemy force, and unleashed hell as quickly as they can. And then they buggered off if the enemy got too close.

A single archer is ******* worthless. Even if they can fire at a rate of ten arrows a minute, which is ludicrous speed for back then, that's negligible against an army of thousands.

That's part of the reason why English longbowmen were terrifying on the battlefield. Their bows had a higher draw-strength, so they shot about half again as far as any other bows, at the same rate of fire as most expert archers. As the enemy approached they could start firing sooner, and had a much larger window of opportunity to rain deadly death on the enemy troops before they got too close.
#46 to #22 - anon (01/05/2016) [-]
I read somewhere( not saying it isn't exaggerated) that turkic kids of nobility would train with bow and arrow till they could shoot an apple from a branch at considerable distance. Has it anything to do with the composite bow and being easier to handle as the longbow? and secondly how do you explain archery as in the competition and hunting?
User avatar #36 to #22 - feedtehtrollz ONLINE (01/05/2016) [-]
Ten arrows a minute during a battle is mediocre, they could fire much faster to blanket the enemy army with arrows, I will agree that a single archer with a bow can be useless in battle, arrows didn't penetrate armour as frequently as people assume from playing games and the wounds caused my arrows were actually very minor considering their size. Broad head arrows did deal more internal damage than conventional and bodkin tipped arrows but had an even smaller chance if at all of piercing armour.
#323 to #36 - alexanderh (01/05/2016) [-]
Ten arrows per person per minute is a LOT, if we're talking medieval english longbows. And they could actually penetrate the weaker parts of of plate armour, like the sides of helmets. If you want more info, look up schola gladiatoria on youtube, he did some videos with a guy from a british museum, showing off some historical helmets from the battle of agincourt than had been pierced by arrows.
#18 to #9 - nekolacek ONLINE (01/05/2016) [-]
Ahem.
User avatar #147 to #18 - wellimnotsure (01/05/2016) [-]
useless weapons checking in?
#23 to #18 - anon (01/05/2016) [-]
those are for castle defence, not personal. in the time it takes for you to reload, a guy with a knife would be on you before you even pull the string back.
#42 to #23 - zeegermanknight (01/05/2016) [-]
Crossbows were used all the time in medieval warfare in Europe and China in a variety of situations, most crossbows used on battle fields had a light draw weight to them as their were used to mow down lighter armored infantry and could be reloaded rather quickly heavier crossbows that would require a windlass or a cranequin (which came after the windlass and replaced it in the late medieval period) would take longer to reload but even then you can easily stop reloading and fight off a guy trying to attack you as long as you can stay vigilant.
User avatar #17 to #9 - Data (01/05/2016) [-]
If a man is 20 feet away from you with a knife, and you have a holstered pistol, he could stab you just as you fired your first shot... mutually assured destruction. Which is why at short range, a ranged weapon is nearly useless if not prepared (ready to fire).
It's about speed, not about skill. It takes maybe two seconds to close a 20 foot gap (even less if you're sprinting), so unless if you KNEW you were about to be charged, it would be impossible to be ready to shoot down your attacker.
I'm not saying "ditch your gun, it's useless". Guns are a GREAT scare tactic to ward off anyone who wants to hurt you, a bow? Not so much. But if you're thinking about going somewhere dangerous, then maybe you should recalculate your route before deciding whether or not to go...
Anyway... a personal weapon during the time would be a broad dagger. Easy to draw, easy to conceal, cheap, reliable. Doesn't require much to get one from a blacksmith. Great against fleshy muggers with no real armor on. Handy for everyday things, too. Or an arming sword, which is basically a short sword. An effective weapon is always based on the situation. Five feet away from you? Melee weapon. A hundred yards? Ranged.
#217 to #17 - balor (01/05/2016) [-]
Bitch please, You just gotta get the Quickdraw mcgraw down.
User avatar #10 to #9 - borderlineparanoid ONLINE (01/05/2016) [-]
they mean that you wouldn't be able to do what legolas does, firing shots quickly at close targets. you'd be surrounded and killed in seconds. no matter how good you were.
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