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#2 - teranin ONLINE (09/30/2013) [-]
maybe I'm a bastard, but I have zero sympathy for anyone who cuts or tries to kill themself. Yes, they need help, they should get help, and it's not as though I want them hurting themselves, but in all honesty.... That's some seriously weak **** . Chemical imbalances and mental illness are real, and terrible, but for ****** sake it's just hard to take anyone who does this **** seriously, because the vast majority of the time it's all for attention because they can't deal with their (generally first world) problems.

If you feel like you have no way out, like all is lost or something and you want to cut yourself, don't. Cut the person making you feel that way about your life. Stand up for your own continued existence, do something, change something, but don't damage yourself because in the end no one will care, you will just be another pointless statistic who will accomplish nothing with those actions.

At least, that's how I see it, and in all likelyhood I'm just an asshole.
User avatar #314 to #2 - revengeforfreeze (12/03/2013) [-]
"If you feel like you have no way out, like all is lost or something and you want to cut yourself, don't. Cut the person making you feel that way about your life."

"Don't cut yourself

Cut the person making you feel that way about life"
ergo myself

#286 to #2 - deckbox ONLINE (10/01/2013) [-]
,y gf does this or did this, but its like, i swear its just desperate attention seeking. and gets into pointless arguements, makes herself upset by ANYTHING i mean literally will take one word and completely warp it to a point of emotional breakdown or anger.

" spaghetti " - Oh my god io cant cook spaghetti i cant cook why say these things rage etc its just an unhealthy attitude towards everything. yes emotional **** and chemical imbalances, depression are things but getting yourself worked up to oblivion over problems that are not remotely world ending and not seeking guidance or help, i mean hell iu have tried with er and other people but i do not know if i can support someone much longer who doesnt get their **** together and stop blaming everyone for the positions she keeps needlessly putting herself in.
#276 to #2 - froggerhasxbox (10/01/2013) [-]
i have to realate to this. i used to have problems, but rather than cutting myself, i went to thearpy and got my 			****		 back together. and looking back on it, I do wonder why people not only refuse to get help, but try to embrace and justify themselves as "brave" or heros.
i have to realate to this. i used to have problems, but rather than cutting myself, i went to thearpy and got my **** back together. and looking back on it, I do wonder why people not only refuse to get help, but try to embrace and justify themselves as "brave" or heros.
User avatar #273 to #2 - lordscooby (10/01/2013) [-]
nah, youre good
#270 to #2 - Ken M (10/01/2013) [-]
yeah you pretty much are an asshole
User avatar #263 to #2 - Funnel (10/01/2013) [-]
Sorry if I seem rude but you dont know what you are talking about. Self harm is 100% rational(like most things in the universe). Self harm is not something people choose to do, even animals self harm(even when they have no idea they are being watched).
Self harm is a coping mechanism, without self harm one can actually become drastically more depressed and severely increase chance of suicide.
People and animals do not choose to self harm, it is instinctual, it is no more a choice than sweating when jogging or closing your eyes when something pokes them.
You might think "yeah, some people are very depressed and troubled, but alot of them are just doing it for attention and pity", what you are missing is that humans and many animals are social beings and the feeling of not belonging or not feeling loved can cause great anxiety, which self harm reduces, so even the ones you look at as attention whores are also doing it for an instinctual reason. Animals aswell as humans self harm when they feel socially isolated, it is just how our brain work, it is all about chemical balance and everything we do we do for a reason. Even thinking about harming yourself or thinking about suicide can be very benificial for a person struggling with depression and/or anxiety.
Keep in mind that everyone is different, and you havent been in everyones shoes, someone can have very serious depression or anxiety even if their life doesnt seem so bad. Just be glad you dont have it this way, because it is not a choice.
I know it might be hard to understand for someone who doesnt have anxiety or depression(hopefully you dont have it anyways) it is like trying to imagine a colour that doesnt exist, but self harm is here to stay so you might aswell learn alittle about it.
#262 to #2 - seymourtets (10/01/2013) [-]
Somebody said it... Somebody put my aimless thoughts into words for me... That was good. You should write speeches.
Somebody said it... Somebody put my aimless thoughts into words for me... That was good. You should write speeches.
User avatar #256 to #2 - pokemonstheshiz ONLINE (10/01/2013) [-]
That's rational, but if people were completely rational, that'd be a mental disease in itself. Mental illnesses can be crippling, and if you have neither the monetary nor social resources to get help, you're SOL. Some people don't have anyone they can/feel comfortable with asking for help, some people get pleasure from the pain cause they feel numb in all other situations.
User avatar #257 to #256 - teranin ONLINE (10/01/2013) [-]
I'm pretty sure that's the part that makes me an asshole
User avatar #261 to #257 - pokemonstheshiz ONLINE (10/01/2013) [-]
you're not an asshole for not having other viewpoints, I was just sharing mine.
#247 to #2 - bitchplzzz (10/01/2013) [-]
but what if i cut myself

User avatar #250 to #247 - teranin ONLINE (10/01/2013) [-]
that's different. You don't want sympathy, you want acceptance. I can accept sexual desires, sure.
User avatar #246 to #2 - monkee (10/01/2013) [-]
Until you have been there you will never understand. Self-harming is more than just cutting, it can be excessive risk taking or severely modifying your appearance, drugs or alcohol. There is a myriad of different reasons as to why an individual chooses to harm themselves.
I am an ex self-harmer, but I was smart about it and was not found out for a long time. I was abused as a child and was never offered support, was struggling with mild aspergers and was constantly fighting with my family. I had no friends, no prospects and seriously considered suicide on a multitude of occasions. I was extremely depressed. Cutting was both an expression for my own self-loathing and a physical release of the emotional pain. The adrenaline rush was incredible, and the endorphins made me feel better afterwards. There are physiological reasons as to why cutting makes a depressed person feel (temporarily) better. The self-harmer does not see the behaviour as any more damaging than going out and getting drunk. They know it's not healthy etc, but it becomes a coping mechanism that turns into a vicious cycle.
After receiving proper counselling and patching things up with my family I am now at university and exploiting my full potential. I still have a constant feeling of loneliness, probably because of my over-inflated sex drive and just being generally socially awkward. I have had plenty of offers of one night stands but I refuse, simply because I am no slut and will not be labelled as such. I have not cut in three years and hope to keep it that way. I am mentally stable, moving towards being happy.
Cutting does not mean you are weak. It does not mean you'll always be damaged goods. Making an opinion of something so emotional without having personal experience of it is wrong and will not put you in good stead with anyone who does.
#244 to #2 - onyxbot (10/01/2013) [-]
unfair. i like this post so much. and it wont let me like it cause im not lvl 40. haha well said!
User avatar #268 to #244 - emberstar (10/01/2013) [-]
Dude.... if you like it so much, favorite it and come back to thumb when you are level 40.
User avatar #243 to #2 - jukuku (10/01/2013) [-]
I not going to go into much detail, I'm just going to say that you should try and view it from another perspective.
User avatar #239 to #2 - holybronybatman (10/01/2013) [-]
I agree. Sorry, just wanted to add that.
#237 to #2 - xxitzchubbsxx (10/01/2013) [-]
Pretty much what i was thinking although i know if i wrote that it wouldn't quite be as well written and for some reason would get a **** tonne of red thumbs. Which makes me sad.
#234 to #2 - mycatislookingatme (10/01/2013) [-]
That being said, people who do it for attention can 			****		 themselves with a rake.
That being said, people who do it for attention can **** themselves with a rake.
User avatar #228 to #2 - falloutplayer (10/01/2013) [-]
Nah dude, the thing that angers me the most is people who cut themselves because they want to "fit in". **** if you have to physically hurt yourself to fit on with a crowd of people, that crowd is ******* retarded
User avatar #221 to #2 - BeoX (10/01/2013) [-]
What if you're the person making yourself feel that way? You admit that the internal force of chemical imbalance is real and powerful; why, then, isn't punishing yourself for your own perceived sins somewhat logical, if not reasonable? I'm not condoning self-harm by any means. It's horrific, and I know too many people who truly and legitimately feel that they deserve it. But a lot of your suggestions are somewhat trite, or at the very least somewhat ignorant.
User avatar #225 to #221 - teranin ONLINE (10/01/2013) [-]
because a chemical imbalance, unless it's incredibly severe, does not truly control your actions. It can color the way you think about things, but your actions and responsibility are your own. I can empathize with their pain, but not sympathize with those actions. Self-loathing does not justify self-harm, as far as I'm concerned. It does justify getting help, and probably changing your environment.
User avatar #229 to #225 - BeoX (10/01/2013) [-]
I'm not sure I was suggesting that it was anyone's responsibility but their own, and I think that any former cutter would agree that it was their own volition. A major aspect of serious depression is a feeling of unworthiness; its the reason that after a certain point, incredibly depressed people cannot even kill themselves (in fact, that's one reason that anti-depressant commercials mention "thoughts of suicide"; as a patient improves, they actually become MORE likely to take their own life) because they feel that they don't deserve that release. With cutters, they feel they don't deserve the "help" you prescribe, despite outsiders knowing that they need it. As friends and loved ones -- and even just as fellow human beings -- we should strive to sympathize and, most importantly, empathize with them in an attempt to show them that they do deserve that help. While it's true that their actions are "their responsibility," that doesn't mean we should disregard their pain. That's simply cold and, frankly, inhuman.
User avatar #232 to #229 - teranin ONLINE (10/01/2013) [-]
who said to disregard their pain? I can empathize with their pain, I have no sympathy for their actions.
User avatar #233 to #232 - BeoX (10/01/2013) [-]
Their actions are inextricable from their pain. There is much truth in that cutting, just as punching a wall or weeping or screaming, is pain made visible. It's how the mind eases its own catharsis. Cutters do so because it eases the pain, similar to how crying does. Of course, it's taken to a greater extreme, and represents a greater extreme, but in principle the two are essentially identical in purpose.
User avatar #214 to #2 - mitchr (10/01/2013) [-]
Johnny Cash Hurt

The song Hurt, originally by Nine INch Nails, covered by Johnny Cash.

#207 to #2 - crzycuban (10/01/2013) [-]
physical pain gives a rush that can settle emotion pain. sometimes people dont do it because they want attention, sometimes its because its the only method that seems to work at the time.
User avatar #191 to #2 - emberstar (10/01/2013) [-]
I totally agree to a point, but I really don't like people who generalize that all people who cut are just attention seeking. Yes, a vast majority do- but not everyone.
User avatar #194 to #191 - teranin ONLINE (10/01/2013) [-]
right... that's what I said. "vast majority". Plus it was just an opinion, based on observations alone.
User avatar #266 to #194 - emberstar (10/01/2013) [-]
Ah, I missed that in my first readings. And I'm perfectly okay with you stating your opinion- that's what I was also doing.

The part I don't agree with is "I have zero sympathy for anyone who cuts or tries to kill themself". I do have sympathy for some, those who are not just doing it for attention, but those who have no one there for them, no where to turn- except to leave this life. I have sympathy for those whose reality is so terrible and unreal, that the only way to return is through the sharp pain of cutting/etc.

I agree with them getting help, that chemical imbalances & mental illnesses are real (and terrible), how it's hard to take it all seriously because of the attention seekers. I also agree with that they should try to do something other than cutting/harming themself and becoming " another pointless statistic who will accomplish nothing with those actions"- but I know that it is difficult to try and change if there is no one there, except those who will push you right back down.

Again, I am stating my opinion- and I am open to hearing your opinion(s) and anything else you have to say.
#183 to #2 - tomowrath (10/01/2013) [-]
Couldn't agree less. Not matter how stupid the cause, nobody deserves to feel that way and should receive sympathy.
Couldn't agree less. Not matter how stupid the cause, nobody deserves to feel that way and should receive sympathy.
User avatar #184 to #183 - teranin ONLINE (10/01/2013) [-]
sympathy for their actions, not their pain. Sympathy in the sense of support, not empathy.
User avatar #187 to #184 - tomowrath (10/01/2013) [-]
No idea what that means but depression is a disease. People can barely control their feelings.
User avatar #190 to #187 - teranin ONLINE (10/01/2013) [-]
I've experienced depression, you cannot control your feelings but you don't lose control of your actions unless it is an incredibly severe imbalance of chemicals, one which rarely occurs.

I empathize with their pain, but don't sympathize with their actions. Sympathy being used in the context of "feel supportive of" not "understand the emotions behind". I get they feel pain, I don't wish that pain on anyone, but I cannot feel sympathetic to the actions they took to deal with that pain.
User avatar #195 to #190 - tomowrath (10/01/2013) [-]
Well, we all ahve a right to our own opinions I guess.
If you really feel no sympathy for people in a chaotic state of emotion doing stupid things, that's your choice.
#181 to #2 - chopliver (10/01/2013) [-]
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User avatar #178 to #2 - damphyr (10/01/2013) [-]
Just coming out and saying that I am expecting some red thumbs for this and this is probably going to be a multi post-er
In High-school I was a starter on the football team, dating one of the most desirable girls in school and my name and face were recognized campus wide, but despite being surrounded by literally hundreds smiling, friendly people on a daily basis, it did't make me feel any less alone. I can admit that I cried myself to sleep on many occasions because of some of my mental issues (that part is a long story and I am not airing all my of dirty laundry today). Anyway getting to the point, I promise. I couldn't cut (as much as I wanted to) because I knew my coach or one of my team mates would see and report it, so I took to hitting things, an athlete in a contact sport is supposed to have bruised up hands. Inanimate objects mostly, things that I could dent or break, it started with things that would break easily, but the small amount of pain and the thin trickle of blood down my knuckles wasn't enough. It got to a point where I was punching steel girders and brick walls and literally shattering the bones in my hands because at the same time, everything hurt and I was completely numb. I guess you would have to be in the situation, or a shrink to understand. I couldn't control anything else in my life except this pain (that's how it really seemed at the time). My hand would break and I would hide the pain until practice, they would wrap me up and I would wait for it to heal till I started hitting again. I left fist sized dents all over my school because I just couldn't think of another way to deal. The pain felt good. Seeing my discolored fists, bleeding knuckles and hearing the clicking and grinding of my broken fingers was satisfying. I don't really know how else to explain it other than to say that it felt like my life was full of other people's expectations of me, and that what I wanted and who I was, were nowhere to be found. <Continued in next post>
User avatar #192 to #178 - damphyr (10/01/2013) [-]
<Continued from last post>
It took one particularly bad injury (I had punched a steel upright at my school so hard that I sent a hairline fracture up my forearm, it took me out for the rest of the season. I played varsity for four years and this happened in my Junior year) to get it through my head. My Dr. told my mom that the extent of the damage couldn't have been caused by one punch and that there was evidence of recurring injury and reconstruction on my bones. Well that's when the truth came out. My mom cried, my girlfriend cried, hell even my coach cried (he was like a dad to me, my real dad died when I was 13, part of those mental issues I mentioned before) and I got some help. It took me a really long time to stop hating myself for things that I didn't even know about, and to this day I am still working on some of it ) I'm 27 now, have a good job and a fantastic girlfriend (not the same one from HS, that bitch cheated on me the summer after graduation and I dropped her British ass like a hot brick) but I still have to deal with some of the more deeply seeded issues. It's a lifelong battle, and some days it's harder than others.
On the bright side of things when my hands healed up (after I stopped abusing them) they grew super hard knuckles and slightly enlarged cartilage deposits, so I have hands that are basically battering rams with built in shocks!
Anyway I hope I didn't bore anyone and **** you to the <tldr> asshats. If you are cutting or practicing any other type of self mutilation, get help, this is NOT!!!! something you can beat on your own.
User avatar #185 to #178 - teranin ONLINE (10/01/2013) [-]
**** , the punching stuff reminds me of me when I was young.
User avatar #176 to #2 - lawander **User deleted account** (10/01/2013) [-]
I wanted to cut myself few times. But i didn´t i realized it´s pathetic and only coward would run from problems like that. I agree with you on everything
#213 to #176 - lawander **User deleted account** (10/01/2013) [-]
didn´t realize

What am i doing
#169 to #2 - Ken M (10/01/2013) [-]
I wholeheartedly agree with you, and I just wanna put this out here because it's the best advice in the world for people with depression issues. Don't cut, MAKE GOOD FOOD. You don't understand how much a well prepared dinner can make for you mentally. Both the work, the fact that you can make something delicious and prove to yourself that you're not worthless is a A+ combo And it goes home with the ladies and even if you don't have much money it's can be made really cheap.
#258 to #169 - seymourtets (10/01/2013) [-]
That was a really positive comment... Like I'm not sad or a cutter or anything, that comment was just so pure. Thank you for that.
That was a really positive comment... Like I'm not sad or a cutter or anything, that comment was just so pure. Thank you for that.
User avatar #161 to #2 - privoxy (10/01/2013) [-]
Everyone thinks people cut for attention simply because they only hear about people who cut for attention.

You don't hear about the others, because nobody knows about them or their scars.
#160 to #2 - Ken M (10/01/2013) [-]
It's difficult to explain what it feels like to someone who hasn't felt it. Everyone is different, but I'll try to explain how I feel.

I have not been myself for about a year now. I don't cut myself, but I feel like there is nothing in my future to live for and that it would be nice if I was just gone. Logically, I know I have a future, possibly a great one. I know that my family loves me and would be devastated if I died. I don't want to die. I want to get married. I want children. I want to see my youngest brother graduate high school. I want to see my brothers get married. I want to travel. I want to experience life and die of old age.

But every day, my first thought waking up and my last thought before I fall asleep is about killing myself. Sometimes I get so close to killing myself, only to stop because I can't decide whether to commit suicide in my dorm room or at home. I don't want to feel like this, and I'm ashamed to feel like this at all.
#154 to #2 - popcornisland (10/01/2013) [-]
Couldn't agree more
Couldn't agree more
User avatar #151 to #2 - walcorn (10/01/2013) [-]
Also I agree with you 100% on this.
#149 to #2 - johrny (10/01/2013) [-]
No one ever should give a **** .....
Okey to be fair, once you can say that they should get help.
When they go one, simply ignore them. Their live, their stupidness
#145 to #2 - crazedguy (10/01/2013) [-]
I take it you have never been depressed, if you dont understand depression, I beg you to not take it lightly.
User avatar #148 to #145 - walcorn (10/01/2013) [-]
Depression is not always related to cutting you tard.
#158 to #148 - crazedguy (10/01/2013) [-]
It is, you retarded asshole.
#164 to #158 - walcorn (10/01/2013) [-]
No you ******* moron.
Just because I suffer from chronic depression doesn't mean I have ever cut myself!

That's a damn stupid assumption, and speaking of not understanding depression, you obviously don't, since you choose to put all depressed people in the same situation of self-harm.
User avatar #315 to #164 - revengeforfreeze (12/03/2013) [-]
lol if you weren't such a loser mauybe you wouldnt be depressed wally
#317 to #315 - walcorn (12/03/2013) [-]
You go to my old 			*******		 comments just to insult me?   
Do you seriously have nothing better to do?
You go to my old ******* comments just to insult me?
Do you seriously have nothing better to do?
User avatar #318 to #317 - revengeforfreeze (12/03/2013) [-]
i like it how you complain about him making stupid ass assumptions and yet you make them yourself.. hypos gonna hypo, no.

i searched a special sequence of letters and this appeared, obviously.

and right now, I'm waiting for someone to show up so no I don't really have anything better to do right now.
#320 to #318 - walcorn (12/03/2013) [-]
Hold up
I found something you could do
User avatar #322 to #320 - revengeforfreeze (12/03/2013) [-]
you must be really sensitive to tell me to kill myself because i told you yuo were a loser.. really? lol
User avatar #325 to #322 - walcorn (12/03/2013) [-]
I'm not saying it because of that
I'm saying it because I really don't like you

"hypos gonna hypo, no."
User avatar #326 to #325 - revengeforfreeze (12/03/2013) [-]
what have i done to you then other than this?

how was i being a hypocrite here?
User avatar #330 to #326 - walcorn (12/03/2013) [-]
You've just generally been a tard on several occations in the past.

> "you complain about him making stupid ass assumptions and yet you make them yourself."
User avatar #331 to #330 - revengeforfreeze (12/03/2013) [-]
name one

yeah, what else would it be for?

we were talking about this situation. I don't even know you from before, so why would you have disliked me?

your assumption was a stupid one

mine was a reasonable

User avatar #332 to #331 - walcorn (12/03/2013) [-]
To you, it appeared reasonable.
To me, it didn't.

There is a difference in POV's here.
Keep that in mind before you start talking, you dumb **** .
User avatar #333 to #332 - revengeforfreeze (12/03/2013) [-]
Meh, look objectively and you'd see that it doesn't compare.

You're the dumb **** here faggot, shut the **** up & killl self pls
User avatar #334 to #333 - walcorn (12/03/2013) [-]
Look objectively and you'd see you're not really seeing it objectively, you're just trying to place yourself in a better light.
gg no re
User avatar #335 to #334 - revengeforfreeze (12/03/2013) [-]

ur teh one who made the meanest insults anyway so there's no need for that
User avatar #336 to #335 - walcorn (12/03/2013) [-]
I'm also the one who couldn't give less ***** about which insults were made either.
User avatar #343 to #336 - revengeforfreeze (12/03/2013) [-]
well i care about whether you're lying or not and i don't care wehtehr you don't care or not

yeaah right bro, make up some more cool stories
die in a hole
User avatar #341 to #336 - revengeforfreeze (12/03/2013) [-]
i dno't believe you

i believe you're just mad because of this and now you want an excuse

well do you at least remember what happened?
#342 to #341 - walcorn (12/03/2013) [-]
I don't care whether or not you believe me.   
You're really not that important to me that I think it matters whether or not you believe me.   
Also it's one of the cases where you know a person is a faggot, you know he did some stupid 			****		, but it really isn't worth it to remember what and when.
I don't care whether or not you believe me.
You're really not that important to me that I think it matters whether or not you believe me.

Also it's one of the cases where you know a person is a faggot, you know he did some stupid **** , but it really isn't worth it to remember what and when.
User avatar #339 to #336 - revengeforfreeze (12/03/2013) [-]
tell me, what did I do earlier to upset you so?

tell me at least one occasion and i'll leave you

or two, two would be good
User avatar #340 to #339 - walcorn (12/03/2013) [-]
I'm really not going to dig out old **** to show you.
Besides, it was on one of the old boards, where all comments have now been wiped.
User avatar #337 to #336 - revengeforfreeze (12/03/2013) [-]

then why tell me
u blocked me


User avatar #338 to #337 - walcorn (12/03/2013) [-]
Because I hadn't gotten around to do it earlier.
User avatar #321 to #320 - revengeforfreeze (12/03/2013) [-]
lol i'm not the one suffering from chronic depression

the irony of you telling ME to go kill myself

lol faggot
#170 to #164 - crazedguy (10/01/2013) [-]
Look, you said that cutting yourself is not tied to depression, IT IS. Now, that you are depressed DOES NOT MEAN YOU HAVE TO CUT YOURSELF. YOU CAN GET TO THAT POINT IN DEPRESSION but it is tied together. Go read a book I made my thesis on the subject. Go suck a dick...
User avatar #173 to #170 - walcorn (10/01/2013) [-]
> Depression is not always related to cutting

I said nothing about whether or not cutting is related to depression.

Those are two completely different statements!

Learn to read you stupid cunt!
#177 to #173 - crazedguy (10/01/2013) [-]
I may not have read correctly, but you are saying that we are talking about the same thing. I said he did not understood depression and so he did not understood the implications of it. You were the one who out of the blue came and tried to read what I wrote as: HURR DEPRESSION MEANS YOU CUT YOURSELF!!

Please do not make assumptions just to win an argument or looking smarter than someone, it just does not work that way.
User avatar #188 to #177 - walcorn (10/01/2013) [-]
> I take it you have never been depressed, if you dont understand depression, I beg you to not take it lightly.

You speak of depression itself, in general.
NOT specifically about the cases where people cut themselves.
If you're gonna talk about something specific, then ******* do that.

****** are you for real? You're the one ASSUMING I read it in the way you want me to have read it, and claiming I'm saying we're talking about the same thing.
#193 to #188 - crazedguy (10/01/2013) [-]
You were the one who assumed I was talking about depressed people cutting themselves, when, as you said, I spoke of depression in a general matter. Seriously, what are you getting at? And what do you want to acomplish?
User avatar #198 to #193 - walcorn (10/01/2013) [-]
At the very start I simply wanted to make clear that Depression is not always related to cutting, which I by personal experience am pretty sure I can say is correct.
Given the context, your statement appeared to be one of ignorance,
apparently implying everyone suffering from depression are tempted to, and do cut themselves.
I wanted to give my input, nothing more
Other than that, I can't say I aim to accomplish much here.
#202 to #198 - crazedguy (10/01/2013) [-]
?? I see you have apparently ignored everything I have said just so you could look intelligent, really dont mind that much, I do not need an uneducated idiot telling me I am ignorant in a subject I have a majors degree, experience and personal work on. Like srly.
User avatar #205 to #202 - walcorn (10/01/2013) [-]
I didn't ignore anything of what you said you self-righteous cunt.

You asked a question, and I answered it.

If you are not satisfied with my answer then you can kindly go **** yourself.
#206 to #205 - crazedguy (10/01/2013) [-]
Well your question asked what was already answered... That led me to think you junt did not payed attention or disregarded it. And please, this a serious argumentation, stop raging I am not even trolling...
User avatar #211 to #206 - walcorn (10/01/2013) [-]
My question?
You're the one who asked it.
I just gave you a simple answer.

I'm not raging, and I never once claimed you were a troll.
I'd sooner stop replying to you than accuse you of trolling and then go on with this.
#212 to #211 - crazedguy (10/01/2013) [-]
And now you cant even read inside of freaking context... Just what do you want from me?
User avatar #216 to #212 - walcorn (10/01/2013) [-]
What's not in context here?

You asked a question, the question was currently a topic here.
You chose to bring up trolling, that was also then in context.

I don't really want anything from you, even if I did, what would there even be to get from you?
#219 to #216 - crazedguy (10/01/2013) [-]
I dunno, the main plot of discussion has been resolved, what do you want to gain from this pointless conversation in which you just want to make me look like an idiot?
#222 to #219 - walcorn (10/01/2013) [-]
I don't specifically want you to look like an idiot   
I gain nothing from that
I don't specifically want you to look like an idiot

I gain nothing from that
User avatar #147 to #145 - teranin ONLINE (10/01/2013) [-]
#157 to #147 - crazedguy (10/01/2013) [-]
Then you must know it strikes people differently for it is a chemical reaction in your body. Respect people for their decisions, the attention whores that cut themselves and try to suicide always live because they never really intended to die in the first place. Now the real depressed people cut themselves ever so slightly because it releases a little bit of dopamine. Wether you find suicide or cutting yourself something weak it is for you to think. Because it takes a lot of determination and desperation to take such decisions.
User avatar #143 to #2 - solomon (10/01/2013) [-]
i can confirm this. i take prozac for anxiety and a chemical imbalance. the wanting to kill yourself is weak **** . i've never had the desire to cut myself and dont think it's related. but an attention seeking action. i just wanted to sleep all the time before i got on my medicine. pretty awesome actually. but a word of advice when dealing with these people, if they say they're going to kill themselves or cut themselves, they're not. you always hear "i never would have thought they'd kill themselves" because they dont say anything if they are. it really is attention seeking when they say stuff like that.
User avatar #152 to #143 - teranin ONLINE (10/01/2013) [-]
oh man, they ever get you on syroquil (or however it's spelled)? They tried that on me and WOW I slept a lot.
User avatar #153 to #152 - solomon (10/01/2013) [-]
lol, no, luckily prozac was the first one and it worked. (good health insurance) and the only side effect is sleepiness. i've been on it since 5th grade. i'm 20 now. and still feel great.
User avatar #155 to #153 - teranin ONLINE (10/01/2013) [-]
I've got a friend who's been on prozac his whole life, he said it sort of dulled the intensity of his emotions. It's not as though he doesn't feel, or something, it's just way less intense.
User avatar #174 to #155 - solomon (10/01/2013) [-]
well ya, that too. but that's it's job. my thing was anger, anxiety, and depression. i still feel those things, just not nearly as hard as before. which is great.
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#251 to #238 - seymourtets (10/01/2013) [-]
stop arguing on the internet you guys
#136 to #2 - blackorchidreaper (10/01/2013) [-]
alright so i use to cut couple years ago nothing to extensive like some people but i never once told anyone (only told a handful after i stopped), i did it because i felt alone in the world like no one gave a **** (not to many friends etc.) but i knew in the back of my head that there were people thats why i couldnt off myself i felt guilty, so see i didnt have anyone else to attack i was my only enemy and its nice to feel something one of the worst feelings in the world is being numb so see no one can really understand why people hurt themselves until youre in their mental state so try not being a complete prick to them, but i came to the realization that i wasnt really solving anything and people honestly dont give a **** so youre right their now im the same way i dont give two ***** about people either i faced the worst enemy you could ever have so dont call me weak not every cutters story is the same
User avatar #138 to #136 - teranin ONLINE (10/01/2013) [-]
I wasn't calling people who cut "weak" I was calling the act itself "weak". Strong people feel pain and need to deal with it, too.
#163 to #138 - blackorchidreaper (10/01/2013) [-]
my miss understanding sir but you have to see in their head that is the best way to deal with their problems when you feel like your in a mental pit of just darkness when nothing makes you feel better and you actually tried to feel better i dont condone it but i wouldnt say its weak but its an immaturity once realized can actually make a person a stronger adult (hope all this makes sense)

User avatar #133 to #2 - mrtrixreturned (10/01/2013) [-]
Ik what you mean |: There are some people that GENUINELY need help and then you get arseholes who are just plain attention seekers..
User avatar #137 to #133 - teranin ONLINE (10/01/2013) [-]

I worded it really poorly and a lot of people aren't getting what I'm saying at all.
User avatar #128 to #2 - jimmydeenbomb (10/01/2013) [-]
i understand how you feel, but it's true with all things, you may not care about other people doing it but just wait until a member of your family does it, maybe it's your children. will you have zero sympathy then?
User avatar #130 to #128 - teranin ONLINE (10/01/2013) [-]
yep. They could have asked for help, changed their situation, fought, struggled, done anything to survive. Instead they quit. All respect and sympathy gone. The "who" is inconsequential, it's the actions I have a problem with.
#123 to #2 - tyraxio (10/01/2013) [-]
Even if it's for attention, why does that make it less serious? Regardless of the reason behind it, some people feel like they have to cut themselves in order to feel peace inside and that is terrible. You making it sound like they are weak is exactly the mentality that makes other people feel bad, and that's not okay. When my first girlfriend broke up with me, I self-harmed. Simply because it was hurting so much and the tears would not stop rolling, but if I harmed myself physically, I would notice my emotional pain less. It wasn't really serious and I only did it very few times, but I've talked in particular to one girl who did cut herself, and trust me, she was not pathetic. She was mocked around in school and such, and it was really her way of distancing herself from it. People do it because they're sad, and no, these people are not strong enough to actually assault the people mocking them, because they are psychologically held down.

I suggest you talk to some people who've had these problems before you pretend you're the expert of everything on the internet.
User avatar #127 to #123 - teranin ONLINE (10/01/2013) [-]
who said I was an expert? Wow that's twice... I definitely worded my statement poorly. I'm explaining why I, Personally, don't feel sympathy for those people. Not why anyone else does, or should. All statements within my original statement are entirely opinion, which I thought was obvious but 3 people out of hundreds have taken it as some sort of assertion of fact so I clearly screwed that up.
#132 to #127 - tyraxio (10/01/2013) [-]
Because I'm assuming you to be an intelligent human being, and intelligent human beings shape their opinions based on what they think is fact, preferably based on good evidence. I am not trying to hide that I am telling you that you should have sympathy with them, because, as I've stated, they are very sad people who feels a need to self-harm because it allows them to not feel intense feelings of sadness and guilt. I honestly can't see what reason you have to not share your sympathy with them. Why are they not worthy of it?
User avatar #134 to #132 - teranin ONLINE (10/01/2013) [-]

I've already sort of gone over that one but it's down a bit from here. If that answer isn't satisfactory let me know.
#146 to #134 - tyraxio (10/01/2013) [-]
Well, that was arrogant.

I still don't understand you. You've seen bad things, you've experienced sadness, but you can't sympathise with people just because they cope in different ways than you? You talk about destroying others, now what does that mean? If that means violence, then I do not sympathise with you - not because you cope in a different way, but because your way of coping directly harms other people (mind you, this does not completely apply if you punish those who have been pushing you around but I doubt it). There's slightly autistic tendencies to not being able to sympathise with people who function in other ways, or in this case, cope in different ways.
User avatar #150 to #146 - teranin ONLINE (10/01/2013) [-]
destroy in this context means remove from my life. I wasn't going around hitting people or any nonsense like that.

death is not coping, it is death. Self-harm is not coping, it's avoiding coping, it's not changing anything, not moving forward, sitting at a standstill of pain and misery. Both are like quitting, and both I cannot feel sympathy for.

Also, sympathy does not mean empathy. I can empathize, I can understand their pain, and I'd rather they didn't have to feel it. I'm using sympathy in the context of being supportive of their actions. I am unsympathetic to what they are doing, but I of course feel empathy for the pain that got them there.
#197 to #150 - tyraxio (10/01/2013) [-]
I wrote two replies to your reply and my computer ****** up. Apologies for that, but it's getting late so I'm not gonna type it all in again. Just my main points;

I can empathise with Hitler as well, but I would never sympathise with the guy. There's also a difference between supporting and sympathising, you know that right? I would never support self-harm, rather to the contrary. I like trying to help people out of their misery to the best of my abilities.
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#114 to #2 - daboomee (10/01/2013) [-]
You're a bit of a ******* asshole, and the fact that so many people agree with you honestly scares me.

Not all people who are suicidal are angsty white emo teenagers. Some people are just born with terrible and miserable lives.
Go tell the thousands of starving kids in Africa who commit suicide in the masses that they just "want attention", go tell the mentally unstable soldier who had to kill an innocent family in iraq that he just "wants attention", heck, go downtown and find your nearest homeless person, and tell him he just "wants attention", I'm sure he'd appreciate that.

The problem is it's so easy for you to think it's "not that big of a deal" because you're behind a computer screen, but if you were to have everything in your life taken away from you, I'm sure you'd be eager to kill yourself Call me pretentious and edgy all you want, but the fact is terrible things happen to innocent people, and I dont blame anyone who would kill themselves in their situation.
User avatar #121 to #114 - teranin ONLINE (10/01/2013) [-]
Yep, suicide is always wrong. It's the end of you, forever. If your life is already over, like, for example, you're going to die of starvation guaranteed, or are in jail for life, then you don't get my sympathy for killing yourself, you get a nod of agreement with your actions. In any situation that COULD change, through action, then suicide is never the right answer, and I will not feel sympathy for people who choose it. Not saying I have no empathy for their pain, but I have no sympathy for their actions.

But yeah, I'm pretty much an asshole.
User avatar #113 to #2 - levelninetynine (10/01/2013) [-]
The times I have done it I feel shame when other see it. I've never showed it off. I've only done it privacy. I don't tell my friends and family about it. I do it because I need to release so said chemical imbalance in my brain. I don't do it every time I get sad or angry. I'd rather hurt my self than break something valuable and I definitely would rather hurt myself than someone else and then go to federal prison for the next half of my life.
#105 to #2 - therealsupanova (10/01/2013) [-]
I felt the same way honestly, until I started dating someone who had this problem. And honestly, its incredibly hard to explain and its clear (absolutely no offence here) that you have rarely, if ever, interacted with someone that goes through this kind of stuff. Simply put its almost NEVER done for attention, which may account for the reason why so many people try so desperately to keep it a secret. And you nailed it when you said "cut the person making you feel that way about your life." Well, that's exactly what they're doing, and its not fair to call them weak because of it. That doesn't make it right, but the fact is its not an easy problem to address and oversimplifying it does nothing to make it easier.
#101 to #2 - Ken M (10/01/2013) [-]
People "cut" because of the chemical imbalance. It makes them feel grounded seeing the blood. They do it to ease the anxiety and depression making them feel "real" and grounded. Sure, some people do it because they want attention but, those who cut is usually because of a chemical imbalance in the brain and they are not getting enough of serotonin to the neurotransmitters.
#94 to #2 - coolcalx (10/01/2013) [-]
"the vast majority of the time it's all for attention"

that's an interesting "positive statement" that has no evidence correlating it.
#98 to #94 - teranin ONLINE (10/01/2013) [-]
It's true that many times it is done in secret, but even then it's a longing for attention to be paid to their problems. They feel ashamed so they hide the cutting, but that doesn't make it any less about attention as far as I'm concerned.   
Of course, reasons are totally subjective for this kind of thing, and I did make it clear that I thought it was &quot;the vast majority&quot; not &quot;absolutely everyone&quot;.  But I also made it clear that I could just be an asshole and totally wrong.
It's true that many times it is done in secret, but even then it's a longing for attention to be paid to their problems. They feel ashamed so they hide the cutting, but that doesn't make it any less about attention as far as I'm concerned.



Of course, reasons are totally subjective for this kind of thing, and I did make it clear that I thought it was "the vast majority" not "absolutely everyone". But I also made it clear that I could just be an asshole and totally wrong.
User avatar #99 to #98 - coolcalx (10/01/2013) [-]
the fact that you're claiming "the vast majority" implies that you have access to some sort of statistic, or some type of omniscient knowledge, yet you aren't providing it.
User avatar #102 to #99 - teranin ONLINE (10/01/2013) [-]
or, and let me just go out on a limb here, I'm stating an opinion based on personal experience, and haven't spent a huge amount of time researching the subject. Just because someone asserts something confidently that does not mean that there is any science or research behind it. I figured it was pretty clear this was purely an opinion, especially when I offered myself up as a bastard and an asshole for thinking that way, but I guess it makes sense that some people might take it as me being some sort of authority on the subject.
#104 to #102 - coolcalx (10/01/2013) [-]
if you aren't making a factual claim, then don't word it as if what you are saying is true.

you made what's known in philosophy and economics as a "positive statement," yet you can't back your statement up. stick to normative statements when you are stating an opinion. otherwise, you are simply incorrect.
User avatar #108 to #104 - teranin ONLINE (10/01/2013) [-]
BTW, a positive statement simply asserts that something is, without an indication of approval or disapproval, and is testable.

My statement might have been testable, but since the whole ******* comment was about whether or not I approve of something, I'm forced to call ******** .
#111 to #108 - coolcalx (10/01/2013) [-]
the statement "the vast majority of the time it's all for attention"
is a positive statement. the rest of your comment isn't relevant.
User avatar #115 to #111 - teranin ONLINE (10/01/2013) [-]
so you're pulling one arbitrary thing out my comment, applying economics rules to it (since obviously the entire context of the comment is negative, positivistic philosophy has no bearing here) makes no ******* sense. Not all conversation has to follow rules laid out for economics dissertations, guy. You didn't like the way it was worded, I get that, but I wasn't constructing my statements around the guidelines you're using to judge them.
User avatar #106 to #104 - teranin ONLINE (10/01/2013) [-]
I'll speak how I please, thanks. Most of the people here didn't take my claim as factual, and it wasn't intended or worded as such. This is not a case of a "positive statement" it's a misunderstanding on your part.
User avatar #109 to #106 - coolcalx (10/01/2013) [-]
if that's what you think, then you either don't know what a positive statement is, or you are lying.


educate yourself so you don't come off as a pretentious cunt next time.
User avatar #110 to #109 - teranin ONLINE (10/01/2013) [-]
furthermore, this is funnyjunk, not an economics class. I don't see the relevance of your assertions.
User avatar #112 to #110 - coolcalx (10/01/2013) [-]
oh, we are allowed to be idiots, and we're allowed to make logically fallacious arguments when we're not in class? I wasn't aware of this.
User avatar #117 to #112 - teranin ONLINE (10/01/2013) [-]
where's the logical fallacy, and further, who said this was a rational argument for or against something? Pretty sure it was just an exposition of my opinion and a few loose reasons for that opinion. If all conversations were judged stringently upon the rules of high debate, I posit that you would see very few conversations.
#90 to #2 - Ken M (10/01/2013) [-]
You keep doing it though and it becomes an addiction for some.
User avatar #89 to #2 - Denmarrk (10/01/2013) [-]
I totally agree with you. Most of the cutters are attention whores anyway, like one girl I saw was posting pictures of her cutting on instagram and it made me red. I know not all cutters are like that, but I'd rather be thrown in jail for cutting the kid I hate rather than leaving scars on my own body.
User avatar #86 to #2 - thatlonewolf (10/01/2013) [-]
sorry to say, but that's a bad explenation
i've heard a lot of people cut themselves, because they can't deal or handle with the emotions they're going through
there's a lot of reasons behind it and there's probably no right/wrong answer to it. It's different for everybody.
I haven't gone through it myself, but still, your reasoning didn't sound right
User avatar #80 to #2 - meganinja ONLINE (10/01/2013) [-]
This one time somebody told me they were going to kill themselves. I dared them to do it, and told them I'd have no respect for them if they did.

He jumped off a roof. No isded, but still.
User avatar #316 to #80 - revengeforfreeze (12/03/2013) [-]
Who was it?
User avatar #319 to #316 - meganinja ONLINE (12/03/2013) [-]
I can't even remember. Somebody on the anime board.
User avatar #323 to #319 - revengeforfreeze (12/03/2013) [-]
how do yo know he attempted suicide
User avatar #324 to #323 - meganinja ONLINE (12/03/2013) [-]
He had been talking about it, and had tried to a few times before. He stopped coming on for a week, and told us. I don't have any proof.
User avatar #327 to #324 - revengeforfreeze (12/03/2013) [-]
oh okay.

maybe he didn't do it and just told you for sympathy
User avatar #328 to #327 - meganinja ONLINE (12/03/2013) [-]
It's possible. Don't think it very likely though. His personality wasn't like that.
User avatar #77 to #2 - mrleopardgecko (10/01/2013) [-]
put simply, why respect someone who can't even respect themselves
#75 to #2 - dreamcast (10/01/2013) [-]
I think the reality is this. It is a way for people to deal with their problems. Sure you can say, oh I have no sympathy for people like that, but in my opinion you should have no sympathy for any weak person if you are going to say that. One bad way of dealing with things is not better than another. They all display weakness that needs a fix. It is all a complex process of understanding people like this. Thing is though why not get to know some of these people and see what goes through there head. Don't try to change what they think, just listen to them and see why these things effect them the way that they do.
#71 to #2 - disiple (10/01/2013) [-]
logged in to thumb
#67 to #2 - newall (10/01/2013) [-]
i have zero sympathy for people who do only visual damage. people who GENUINELY try to kill themselves, sure, i feel for them (wrist to elbow, not across, guys, come on.)
User avatar #61 to #2 - kiaserzerg (10/01/2013) [-]
i completely agree. i havent met a lot of people who actually have a reason to be retarded like that. my girlfriend has a lot of scars from self harm, and none of them have an reason to be there, she comes from a rich as **** family, so rich she got a damn 1400 dollar mac laptop for one christmas, and bitched about her shoes being the wrong damn color.
#57 to #2 - beerwench (10/01/2013) [-]
Fellow asshole here, I totally agree. It's WAY out of control. You wouldn't believe the crap some douche nozzle gave me over a short story I wrote about 1000 cut torture because he assumed it had to do with "cutting" . It was just a story, never even thought about these idiots.
#55 to #2 - ssurtrebor **User deleted account** (10/01/2013) [-]
Yep, don't kill yourself, kill someone else instead! Much better way to solve problems!
User avatar #56 to #55 - teranin ONLINE (10/01/2013) [-]
Cut is metaphorical in this context, i mean cut them from your life, cut yourself off from them.
User avatar #48 to #2 - timmywankenobi (10/01/2013) [-]
I think you have to have been in the depths of despair to truly understand .
#53 to #48 - teranin ONLINE (10/01/2013) [-]
in my opinion, different people are wired differently. I've felt despair, I've felt horrible feelings, watched my father be accused of raping me, watched my mother fall into paranoid schizophrenia, been thrown in jail, seen an old friend shoot themself in the head, etc. My solution was not self-destruction, it was the destruction of others, and their removal from my life. If you have the wherewithal to realize you have agency within your own life, then there is never an excuse to implode like that. However, many people get taken over and defeated by those emotions, so I understand but I just can't sympathize. This does make me a bit of an asshole, though. Nobody's life is perfect, everyone experiences pain. How we handle that pain, what we do with it, that's what makes us who we are, it's what defines our character.
User avatar #54 to #53 - timmywankenobi (10/01/2013) [-]
ah I think understand what you're saying now , and I agree almost entirely.
User avatar #43 to #2 - demigodofmadness (10/01/2013) [-]
Just throwing this out there, a good friend of mine in high school used to cut herself because her dad raped her.

Don't say you have zero sympathy for anyone who cuts themselves, say you have zero sympathy for people who cut themselves for attention.
User avatar #37 to #2 - musclezglassez (10/01/2013) [-]
nope you're not an asshole, you're just right
#34 to #2 - toosly (10/01/2013) [-]
User avatar #33 to #2 - freakyfriends (10/01/2013) [-]
Yes some people do it for attention but it all depends on the situation. My mom works a lot with children who cut themselves and sometimes it's just a way to forget about other pain. Pain of being abused by their parents, by not being loved by them and that inner pain can he "relieved" and forgotten by cutting themselves. It is difficult to understand for us though.
#32 to #2 - Ken M (10/01/2013) [-]
Ur A ******* , U mUsT kIlL yOuRsElF iN tHe EvEnTuAlItY tHaT pEoPlE fInD oUt YoUr GaY tO pRoTeCt FaMiRy FrOm ShAmE.
#30 to #2 - knowstoomuch (10/01/2013) [-]

Pick one.
#31 to #30 - teranin ONLINE (10/01/2013) [-]
I shouldn't have That's the problem.
User avatar #29 to #2 - monswine (10/01/2013) [-]
Obviously suicide is a crime and a sin and even if you don't feel bad for the girl who, we assume, took her own life the feels generated here are mostly for the little boy.
User avatar #82 to #29 - toastedspikes (10/01/2013) [-]
Sime and a crin eh?

User avatar #298 to #82 - monswine (10/02/2013) [-]
well I'm an atheist and a liberal but it's my understanding religion and the law both find suicide reprehensible.
#28 to #2 - dissectedtesticle (10/01/2013) [-]
i stand with you on this point.
i stand with you on this point.
#25 to #2 - ThekidsTEN ONLINE (10/01/2013) [-]
the way I see it, is they are too weak for this earth. If they can't deal with their problems, the human race no longer needs their genes. Good riddance. Pretty sure I'm a bastard too.
User avatar #305 to #25 - kikisu ONLINE (10/02/2013) [-]
This sounds like an asshole thing but by saying something very similar I got an 11 out of 12 (a score of 5/6 by one person and a 6/6 from the other) on my SAT essay. Its really true from a scientific stand point, but from a humanitarian point it's a pretty awful thing to think.
User avatar #24 to #2 - nang (10/01/2013) [-]
In a way, I agree with you. But you are also looking from the side where you have probably never been in that situation.

There is nothing as empty, as terrible and so utterlyutterly lonely as being in that situation. You see no way out and so you figure there isn't one. It's utter desperation and lack of happiness that drives someone to that point and I know because I've been there. I tried to commit suicide by downing 34,000 mg of epilepsy tablets. It should have killed me but instead I went into a 12 day coma. Waking up from that and seeing the support around me literally 'woke me up'.

I'm not proud of it and now I am past it I would do anything in my power to prevent myself from going back there.

And I don't think you're an asshole because I used to think like that before I actually did it myself. But now on the other side of things, I can actually understand this.

Didn't help that the tablets I was put on for my epilepsy caused 'suicidal thoughts and reckless behaviour'. Yeah, thanks for telling me that you useless doctors >.>
#23 to #2 - gahlskaag (10/01/2013) [-]
Suicide is a permanent solution for a temporary problem. You dont actually solve any of your issues you have, you are not dealing with them, you just pass on new problems for your friends and family, so in most cases suicide, in my eyes, is cowardly.
#42 to #23 - Kingsly ONLINE (10/01/2013) [-]
What about people who killed themselves because of lost limbs?
#230 to #42 - Neodude ONLINE (10/01/2013) [-]
In that case, it would just be creating problems for friends and family, without solving any of your own problems. I kind of half agree with what gahiskaag said. Suicide, on many terms, is an absolutely terrible and cowardly thing to do. You aren't dealing with your problems in any way, you aren't helping yourself out, you just end up ******* up several other people. I just can't rasp why people consider suicide a viable option, when there is so much support available to help someone deal with those kinds of thoughts.(I'm basing this off of US and Canadian support groups, i do not know of or claim to know what is available in other countries, and so only speak for stuff within the US and Canada.)
User avatar #20 to #2 - krasnogvardiech (10/01/2013) [-]
All the motivation I need is to know that I'm not dead. That's a reason to keep fighting in itself. The world isn't hard, I just suck.
All of our ancestors managed to find a partner and procreate. The chances of us actually existing are so close to zero it's not even funny, and yet here we are.
Personally, I'm not going to pray for an easy life. I pray for my **** to allow itself to be more easily gotten in order so that I can milk this life for all its worth.
User avatar #17 to #2 - abowlofkitkats ONLINE (10/01/2013) [-]
Well all I can say is that other people think much differently for these types of situations. They don't really know that they can actually change something to help themselves.
I guess putting yourself in someone elses shoes would be a good way to summarize this.
#14 to #2 - Ken M (10/01/2013) [-]
I have phobias. Serious ones. Not the *********** you see here.
I'm basicly afraid of EVERYTHING outside of my apartment.

Just thinking about going out makes me sick, my heart race, my vision blur, my body sweaty.
The only way I can accomplish buying groceries or going to College is if I constantly hurt myself.
I scratch, I punch, I pull my hair, I always have a paperclip in my left hand that I force into my flesh. I have a screw in my backpocket which I sit on.
When I hurt myself my mind stops caring about my fear and concentrates on the pain.
Yes, it sucks. It ******* sucks. But that is the only way I can manage to step outside for more than two seconds.

I know you meant Emo-Fags with your post, but I still got my jimmies rustled..
User avatar #58 to #14 - skaffanl (10/01/2013) [-]
I cut myself once, it was kinda from the same motivation as you (to distract). I felt so emotionally hurt that cutting myself made me feel better because it distracted me from my emotional pain. I have to admit that when I started I decided to cut on my lower arm for my parents to see (they hurt me) but after I was finished all I felt was shame. I had cut HATE into my arm by the way. My class at the time saw it at gym class but the wounds had faded so much (lucky me) that HATE wasn't readable anymore. I was lucky that I was lying in bed and all I could find was a drafting compass (I translated so I hope it's correct) because if I had cut it with a knife it would have left a serious scar. Now all I see when I look upon my arm is a little darker spot.

Why I didn't cut my parents or stood up for myself? I love(d) my parents and I would never hurt them. I didn't stand up because to kinda quote teranin I already felt pointless and useless and I thought I would never in life accomplish anything anymore so I'd rather suffer than cause unnecessary suffering to my loved ones. When I look back I feel ashamed but back then I didn't have the same "broad" point of view I have now. All I wanted was to make my loved ones happy and all I did was disappoint and anger them because I didn't fulfill their expectations. That was all I saw. I never thought I'd make it past 18. (I was suicidal for a really short period.)

Now I would never even think about cutting myself or suicide because I now have a strong psyche and because I believe I can make the world a better place for everyone, but just imagine if you're already depressed and weak-willed/minded and if you even think about the future you can only picture yourself a complete failure or dead, those thoughts can change you then.
User avatar #11 to #2 - nyanchat (10/01/2013) [-]
I agree with you one hundred percent, its a problem that can be solved, plus killing yourself is so selfish towards those who love you.
User avatar #22 to #11 - cosmicapprentice (10/01/2013) [-]
I'm just gonna give my opinion here, don't take me seriously

I think the part of selfishness towards the people who love you is plain ******** , the way I see things is: "Oh please don't kill yourself so you can keep on living a lot longer and we can keep on robing you from your vital strength"

With that said, I also think that everyone will keep on thinking whatever they want, regardless of how much we try to "wake them up".
User avatar #10 to #2 - highhopes (10/01/2013) [-]
I agree, I even have a friend who does this, and all I wanna say is "Get your ******* **** together", but I can't...

The worst part is that I have an internship in a psychiatric hospital soon... I just... don't feel anything for them but anger.
User avatar #65 to #10 - melioracogito (10/01/2013) [-]
Please, please do not show this anger to the patients at the psychiatric hospital. They're there, because they actually are mentally unstable and some mental sicknesses like "Borderline" where almost everyone with that sickness cut them selves, mostly because they believe that they can get rid of some of the "toxic" inside them by doing so. The last thing they need is someone to judge them, because of that and be angry with them, because of that.
User avatar #78 to #65 - highhopes (10/01/2013) [-]
Of course I won't. These are my problems, they shouldn't have to suffer for them.
#8 to #2 - Ken M (10/01/2013) [-]
You're not a bad person for feeling that way, but perhaps it's hard to put yourself in their shoes. A lot of the time, self-harm is done in places that others don't see. And like it was said before me, biologically, it's addictive. In fact, it's just like every other thing that people use to numb their pain (alcohol, drugs, food, etc.) Then when you get people saying that they are only doing for attention, it can make a person feel ashamed and even more likely to turn towards the one thing they know to make them feel good. Even if they are doing for attention, is it not concerning that someone is in so much pain emotionally, has such distorted thinking, and feels so unheard and hopeless, that they turn to self-harm for attention?

I guess my main point is that sometimes people need help and compassion. Just be happy that you were born with your genes, and have had your life experiences to shape you into who you are today. You shouldn't judge others, because you are not them.
User avatar #7 to #2 - tekoronia (10/01/2013) [-]
I have cut myself and I agree with you. But I don't think this should be said to people who do it, because they're in a position where they need something else to stop (or else they would have stopped). You don't realise how pointless and stupid it is until you've quit. To this day I still get urges to cut when I get mad, but I just shrug them off because I know it's stupid.

Now that was for people who actually struggle and doesn't do it for attention, those who do it only for attention needs to be slapped.
I tried to post this as anonymous but couldn't, please don't give me **** for this.
#12 to #7 - Ken M (10/01/2013) [-]
But how do you explain to someone that what they are doing is wrong, in a convincing way so that they understand that what they do is wrong? I've only been through one "depression," and I realized how stupid begging for attention was by accidentally snapping out of it. How can I prevent someone else from doing the same mistake and embarass themselves?
User avatar #13 to #12 - tekoronia (10/01/2013) [-]
I'm afraid I don't know, I sort of grew out of it. Same with others I tried to help.

I guess it also depends a lot on what's causing it. I think in my situation I grew out of it because the problems that caused it disappeared. Like if a person become depressed and cuts because they don't have many friends, it would probably help to introduce them to people.
User avatar #6 to #2 - kikisu ONLINE (10/01/2013) [-]
I used to cut on my thighs to avoid seeking attention. I was completely and utterly ashamed of them, and the one time my mom saw them I tried to lie and blame it on a cat scratching me. I never wore shorts because I had bad circulation so I was cold even in summer. There really wasn't any way for me to do anything about it though because it was a chemical imbalance kind of depression where I'd start sobbing uncontrollably while doing dishes for no reason, and my father didn't believe depression was real.

But I totally agree with you. There was this bitch of a girl in my wednesday youth group who'd do **** like use a safety pin to scratch/cut her arms during class and I wanted to smash a book in her face.
#5 to #2 - Ken M (10/01/2013) [-]
I agree with you 100%
Once, in a moment of weakness in my early teens, I cut my arm. I like to think it's not for attention, as I'm ashamed and do my best to hide the scars from it, but even having done it I have no sympathy for those who cut, especially those who do it repeatedly. It's an absolutely idiotic thing to do, and if you don't realize that after doing it once, there's something wrong with you.
User avatar #70 to #5 - melioracogito (10/01/2013) [-]
Yes, cutting your self is idiotic, but that does not make the self-harmer an idiot and when someone is so ******* down that they honestly feel the only way out (or the only way to avoid suicide) is by cutting them selves then it is the most reasonable thing in the world and it makes perfect sense to them. And of course there's something wrong with you if you cut yourself - perfectly normal people with normal and "perfect" lives don't cut them selves (except for the attentionwhores, but(t) **** them).
User avatar #4 to #2 - Maroon ONLINE (10/01/2013) [-]
I hear ya. If you cut yourself regularly, you don't want to die, you just want to make enough of a mess for someone to notice and ask about it. The brain literally gets addicted to feeling miserable and people just can't wait to have someone to drag into their pity-party. I have had some serious thoughts on the pointlessness of life in general and my life especially but I don't go making physical scars to add to the emotional ones. The hope for some meaning to make itself clear one day keeps me going from one day to the next and if that hope runs out one day, the loaded shotgun in my closet will quickly put an end to my little pity session.
#15 to #4 - mytt (10/01/2013) [-]
That's one of the dumbest things i've ever heard, many of these messages are tbh.

First, while i realize that there's a lot of people doing it for attention, that doesn't mean everyone does, and thinking so is utterly retarded. If you are familiar with mental illnesses, you should realize that many of them have this as a sympton.

second, Wanting to die and cut yourself has nothing to do with wanting to die... Many people do it alone, never show it, never talk about it and feel heavily ashamed that it heppened. If confronted they'd rather avoid teh subject. The reason many of these people do it is pure desperation really. When you cut yourself adrenaline is released in the body, because your body thinks your in danger. This adrenaline gives you an up-sort-of feeling, which mitigates some/most of the depression. This is a fact, and is often the reason. Connecting it with people who wishes to commit suicide only goes to show how ignorant and narrow minded you are.

third. didn't you just create a "pity-party" for yourself? explaining how you've been through rough times, but you're such a strong man, so everyone should be amazed and feel sorry at once? ******* hypocrite... You could hav said: "We all have bad times, that doesn't mean i vut myself", but you had to point out that you have emotional scars. Despite just because you can bear that burden (Lawl) doesn't mean everyone else can, and it doesn't mean some of them doesn't feel that sadness even stronger. So stop using urself as an example (We both know you did it for the pity, not for the example though).
User avatar #307 to #15 - Maroon ONLINE (10/02/2013) [-]
Also, I don't see it as bearing some burden or whatever saintly ******** . I just want to see if something comes out of my life before it ends, basically.
User avatar #306 to #15 - Maroon ONLINE (10/02/2013) [-]
No, I avoid talking about it. When I'm out with people I laugh and have fun I don't try to bring others down. I only brought it up to make a point. Also, I brought it up online, aka the one place I can be damn sure I won't find any pity.
#308 to #306 - mytt (10/02/2013) [-]
"When I'm out with people I laugh and have fun I don't try to bring others down" Such a satrong man, bearing his burdan alone, without asking others for help! You are so awesome, and i feel so bad for . I only brought it up to make a point.

" I only brought it up to make a point" again, it made no point a simple: "Everyone has problems" wouldn't have made.

" place I can be damn sure I won't find any pity" lol, sure, let's pretend that. you are posting on a feels post, and often it's just as satisfying knowing people feel pity as it is knowing that they know for who.

Sir, you are a hypocrite, and worse than many people cutting themselves. Because you an attention whore. now, stop bashing things that you do not understand, and stop pretending you don't feed off of others pity.
#311 to #308 - Maroon ONLINE (10/02/2013) [-]
Love that about the internet. Once some retard at the other end has decided something, no matter how you try to explain what you are saying, that's how it's gonna be. The only thing that's really pissing me off about your posts is your constant talk of burdens. I never said that and I don't see anything as a burden. ******* stop that **** .
#312 to #311 - mytt (10/02/2013) [-]
well, i love how you can't see my point.

You never talked about a burden, but the way you talked was a huge expression of self-pity and it's easy to read that you think it's a burden, and you like to think so, buit that you are too self-delusional to admit it.
User avatar #313 to #312 - Maroon ONLINE (10/02/2013) [-]
When I say "don't wanna bring someone down" I don't mean I don't want to burden them like I am. I doubt me telling people how I feel about life sometimes will make them feel the same way, I just don't want people I actually know to know how I feel and to ruin a good time because of it.

I'm not hating on people who have a problem and genuinely need help, if that's the impression that you got. It's the people who don't want to get better and just want others to listen to them complain that annoy me. I had a friend like that who would just cry to me about how her life was so damn awful even though she had no reason to be depressed about anything. I tried talking to her and convincing her to get professional help but she would ignore that and go back to complaining and after 4 months of that I told her to leave me alone because I couldn't listen to it anymore. Instead of getting help, she latched on to a mutual friend and continued whining to him, not knowing he was already helping his trainwreck of a girlfriend through some similar stuff. Long story short, he told them both to leave him alone after some time and now he's depressed and taking meds for it and they still like to bring up what a assholes we are for "abandoning" them.
User avatar #3 to #2 - overjoyed (09/30/2013) [-]
I'm not trying to hate against you but some people only try it once and when you do cut yourself your body releases a chemical that gets your body addicted to doing it. All in all your point is very clear and I respect you for it.
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