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lathyrusvii (11 hours ago) [-] Well, now I have no idea what's accurate or not, and I'm not vested enough to parse the accuracy of any claims.
There are papers on both sides, and nobody cites legal sources, so it's buried in paperwork, somewhere.
Ah well. Is this what's important, anyway?
There are papers on both sides, and nobody cites legal sources, so it's buried in paperwork, somewhere.
Ah well. Is this what's important, anyway?
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innocentbabies ONLINE (11 hours ago) [-]
They do have slightly different meanings, though.
At least currently, slavery was usually much closer to indentured servitude than what we think of today
At least currently, slavery was usually much closer to indentured servitude than what we think of today
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peanutsaurusrex ONLINE (9 hours ago) [-] unless you spray it with enough Febreeze odor-blocker
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Ajracer (15 hours ago) [-] I cringe every time I see this **** . You guys desperately want to believe that Irish indentured servitude was comparable to black slavery so that you can whine about black people some more. It's just not true - the same "slavery facts" comp pops up on this site every couple of months with all these supposed facts and figures that the blacks don't want you to know. Thing is, the only source is one author who has pretty much no academic credentials and is basically the only one making that sort of claim. It's pure propaganda, google that **** and all you will find is hardcore right wing sites and white supremacy sites. But it fit's so nicely into FJ's little make believe world where us straight white men have it harder than everybody else that it gets thumbs every time its posted, spawns comments like this, and just keeps on circulating. Everyone on this site is entitled to their own opinion, but pretty much everything I see posted about "Irish slavery" is hyperbole at its best and ******** at its worst.
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deutschblut (13 hours ago) [-] And I bet you think all white people are millionaires and never go to jail for committing crimes?
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Ajracer (12 hours ago) [-] I don't think they're all millionaires but they're a hell of a lot less likely to go to prison even for the same crime.
www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/07/18/chart-of-the-week-the-black-white-gap-in-incarceration-rates/
www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/07/18/chart-of-the-week-the-black-white-gap-in-incarceration-rates/
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deutschblut (3 hours ago) [-] Black people go to prison for committing crimes.
Name one case where where they did not send a murderer or rapist to prison for being white.
Racist.
Name one case where where they did not send a murderer or rapist to prison for being white.
Racist.
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failtotheepicpower (9 hours ago) [-]
thank god someone is saying it, even if you're getting thumbed down. Anyone who says the courts are equal and not slanted by race is demonstrably wrong, and yet it's somehow the fault of black people.
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deutschblut (3 hours ago) [-] So you are saying black people are not capable of committing crimes?
Worst troll move ever.
Worst troll move ever.
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derpstrider (11 hours ago) [-] The only debate is whether or not they were slaves in America. Irish slavery was a very real thing in Europe for centuries, and one very undeniable example was when Oliver Cromwell shipped off thousands of Irish to work as slaves in (I want to say Barbados) working in the sugar cane fields and growing tobacco. They were treated as lesser beings. It's not brought up to undermine Blacks arguments as it is to join together with them and agree that everyone has suffered and slavery is not ******* okay - it's like ******* Black Lives Matter vs. All Lives Matter. We're not trying to undermine anybody, and the Black Lives Matter movement is creating a further divide between the races where as the All Lives Matter movement is trying to just bring everybody ******* together because we're all ******* humans.
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innocentbabies ONLINE (11 hours ago) [-]
Only if speaking in regards to American slavery. I have no sources, but I doubt the Romans shied away from enslaving the Celts anymore than they did anyone else. Although, while involuntary, it was still closer to indentured servitude than the livestock-style slavery that we associate with the word.
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Ajracer (12 hours ago) [-] Liam Hogan is probably the best source - he's an Irish scholar who has written or contributed on several op-ed pieces on the subject and has a book coming out later this year.
www.opendemocracy.net/beyondslavery/liam-hogan/%E2%80%98irish-slaves%E2%80%99-convenient-myth
www.thejournal.ie/readme/irish-slaves-myth-2369653-Oct2015/
www.opendemocracy.net/beyondslavery/liam-hogan/%E2%80%98irish-slaves%E2%80%99-convenient-myth
www.thejournal.ie/readme/irish-slaves-myth-2369653-Oct2015/
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deutschblut (14 hours ago) [-] Irish are white.
There is no such thing as white slaves.
Even though the word "slave" comes from the word "Slav"....
There is no such thing as white slaves.
Even though the word "slave" comes from the word "Slav"....
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lathyrusvii (01/11/2016) [-] I think it was. Segregation, whatnot... presumptions based on skin color...
Anyway. >> Where's this going?
Anyway. >> Where's this going?
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Shiny ONLINE (01/11/2016) [-] Sure, but enslavement was just a thing colonial empires used to do. Only in the US was slavery based on race, and even this was a later development: pro-abolitionist sentiments were starting to hold root, so the slave trade used propaganda and us vs. them mentality to preserve their cash flow.
It all boils down to one thing: $$$
It all boils down to one thing: $$$
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lathyrusvii (01/11/2016) [-] Yes of course. Washington, Jackson... Benjamin. It all makes sense; we're ALL slaves to little green men.
Green man is master race.
Green man is master race.
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deutschblut (3 hours ago) [-] Apparently blacks are not as successful as these crafty fellas:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claims_Conference
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claims_Conference
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deutschblut (3 hours ago) [-] What language is that, anon lathyrusvii ?
I am not blocking you.
You are just a pussy and like to post as anon.
I am not blocking you.
You are just a pussy and like to post as anon.
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deutschblut (2 hours ago) [-] I just hate Filipino bakla that try to get me to send them dick pics via funnyjunk, silly lathyrusvii anon.
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lathyrusvii (12 hours ago) [-] You gotta keep up with the conversation.
He pointed out the IRA as a response to slavery, then asked when the last time anyone took up activism in response to slavery, and this is the answer to that question.
He pointed out the IRA as a response to slavery, then asked when the last time anyone took up activism in response to slavery, and this is the answer to that question.
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distortedflare ONLINE (01/11/2016) [-] But but they is white. ANd if white people enslave other white people then the white people that are enslaved still have privilege. Despite african slaves being valued more.
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Bloodgartham (16 hours ago) [-]
Now now, we dont speak ill of Great Britain and their glorious accomplishment. Or the West Brits in power in Dublin and their slave mentality... or the concious segregation of nationalist professors up at Queen's University Belfast and Unionist benefits.
We also do not speak of warcrimes, ethic crimes, crimes against humanity, close proximity genocide or being the country which has broken more International humanitarian laws than nay other country almost combined.
We also do not speak of warcrimes, ethic crimes, crimes against humanity, close proximity genocide or being the country which has broken more International humanitarian laws than nay other country almost combined.
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ImmortalBaconEater (20 hours ago) [-] This isn't really true though. I'm half Irish myself and I know all about how the Irish were treated in the earlier days of America. They weren't slaves though, or at least not in the same sense as African slaves. They were indentured servants. They were still treated like **** but not nearly as badly as African slaves. They were freed after they payed their debt for the crossing to America (generally after 7 years). Many chose this fate for themselves to escape famine or poverty though others were captured and forced into it. Not only were they freed after 7 years, their children were not forced into servitude nor were their decisions of who to marry controlled by their owner. While their treatment was certainly subhuman and deplorable, it was not nearly as destructive as generational slavery. It was really more similar to the form of slavery practiced in Western Africa in which people (sometimes prisoners, sometimes family members) were used as collateral for debt. Once the debt was payed, or after a certain period of time, the person was returned home unharmed. The Irish were essentially using their lives (for seven years) as collateral to escape to a new world where they could be free of British tyranny. While some were captured against their will, these were the minority, and the alternative was likely spending the rest of their lives in some debtors prison rather than becoming free men after 7 years. The treatment of the irish (and many other races for that matter) during the period of indentured servitude was certainly horrible, but it does not compare to people who were captured to become slaves for their entire lives, and for their children, and their children, and their children children children and so on to have a single day of freedom. 7 years is nothing compared to being born, living, and dying all as a slave. To never know freedom, to never know that freedom is even possible, is a far crueler fate.
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anon (21 hours ago) [-]
This is what happens when you read one little infographic on the internet and do no further research.
The facts you all are blindly circle-jerking to come from this one unsubstantiated article that made it's way through the internet. www.globalresearch.ca/the-irish-slave-trade-the-forgotten-white-slaves/31076 Unfortunately, the stuff written in this article is not backed by any historical documents, articles, or... Well, anything at all, really. It's total bollocks.
Now don't get me wrong. Modern social-justice, race-based nonsense is complete ******** . Pretending that Irish went through 'slavery' the same way Blacks did centuries ago is ALSO ******** . It's history and it's no excuse for black behavior today, but don't twist the facts to suit your own agenda or you end up looking like just as big of a fool as the social justice warriors do. No, things are not as bad for blacks now as many people pretend they are. But YES, they WERE really ******* bad for blacks centuries ago.
www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/history/2015/09/slavery_myths_seven_lies_half_truths_and_irrelevancies_people_trot_out_about.2.html
limerick1914/the-imagery-of-the-irish-slaves-myth-dissected-143e70aa6e74#.y5mjmhlhk" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" title="medium.com/limerick1914/the-imagery-of-the-irish-slaves-myth-dissected-143e70aa6e74#.y5mjmhlhk">medium.com/limerick1914/the-imagery-of-the-irish-slaves-myth-dissected-143e70aa6e74#.y5mjmhlhk
www.opendemocracy.net/beyondslavery/liam-hogan/%E2%80%98irish-slaves%E2%80%99-convenient-myth
I hate social justice propoganda as much as the next guy. But I don't hate social justice propoganda so much that I'll blindly consume propoganda from the opposite side, either.
The facts you all are blindly circle-jerking to come from this one unsubstantiated article that made it's way through the internet. www.globalresearch.ca/the-irish-slave-trade-the-forgotten-white-slaves/31076 Unfortunately, the stuff written in this article is not backed by any historical documents, articles, or... Well, anything at all, really. It's total bollocks.
Now don't get me wrong. Modern social-justice, race-based nonsense is complete ******** . Pretending that Irish went through 'slavery' the same way Blacks did centuries ago is ALSO ******** . It's history and it's no excuse for black behavior today, but don't twist the facts to suit your own agenda or you end up looking like just as big of a fool as the social justice warriors do. No, things are not as bad for blacks now as many people pretend they are. But YES, they WERE really ******* bad for blacks centuries ago.
www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/history/2015/09/slavery_myths_seven_lies_half_truths_and_irrelevancies_people_trot_out_about.2.html
limerick1914/the-imagery-of-the-irish-slaves-myth-dissected-143e70aa6e74#.y5mjmhlhk" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" title="medium.com/limerick1914/the-imagery-of-the-irish-slaves-myth-dissected-143e70aa6e74#.y5mjmhlhk">medium.com/limerick1914/the-imagery-of-the-irish-slaves-myth-dissected-143e70aa6e74#.y5mjmhlhk
www.opendemocracy.net/beyondslavery/liam-hogan/%E2%80%98irish-slaves%E2%80%99-convenient-myth
I hate social justice propoganda as much as the next guy. But I don't hate social justice propoganda so much that I'll blindly consume propoganda from the opposite side, either.
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anon (21 hours ago) [-]
Wow that third link got ****** ... Hm. One more try.
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devilofscience (01/10/2016) [-] I wouldn't mind if they killed the new leprechaun, like violently, like dig his eye out with a grapefruit spoon cut off his dick and shove it in his eye hole... or something.
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oddygnak (14 hours ago) [-] I've never seen any Rick and Morty episodes. I was under the impression that it was a kid's show along the same wavelength as Adventure time or gravity Falls, you know, kinda weird and wacky but ultimately...for kids...I'm getting a sneaking suspicious that this is in fact not the case
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drekinn (13 hours ago) [-] 100% **** no, Rick and Morty is the best thing i'm following right now, it's so much funnier than family guy or simpsons or any of that **** . I do like adventure time though, but it's not similar in any way, except the voice actor for one character is actually one of the creators of Rick and Morty.
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irishlawyer (10 hours ago) [-]
No, it gets depressing as **** , I would not let any kids anywhere near it
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oosulley (17 hours ago) [-] You can't very well moan about stereotypes when it gets all the Plastic Paddies valued American guests to come here and spend their money
We even have a leprechaun muesuem,to fleece foreigners to share our rich history
We even have a leprechaun muesuem,
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deutschblut (13 hours ago) [-] I never understood how Europeans seem to look down on their American cousins...
I don't blame the Irish for milking the tourists though. Ireland is still a relatively poor country.
I don't blame the Irish for milking the tourists though. Ireland is still a relatively poor country.
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anon (13 hours ago) [-]
Personally I don't like the Americans because they bang on about how they're proud to be German or Irish, but not one seems to be proud to be English, even though it was English Americans who founded the ******* country.
And, before anyone says, being born in America doesn't count, you're English by blood so be proud of it. If a dog is born in a stable, it doesn't make it a horse, and if your last name is:
Smith
Johnson
Williams
Jones
Brown
Then you're almost definitely paternally English.
And, before anyone says, being born in America doesn't count, you're English by blood so be proud of it. If a dog is born in a stable, it doesn't make it a horse, and if your last name is:
Smith
Johnson
Williams
Jones
Brown
Then you're almost definitely paternally English.
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oosulley (12 hours ago) [-] Yup....theres no helping you there I'm afraid. Its something like Mairtín in Irish/Gaelic.
Its common as **** , but sure so is mine here.
There are areas of Ireland, where a surname is so common, every 2nd shop is called in the town, for example "Doherty's" in Donegal.
Its common as **** , but sure so is mine here.
There are areas of Ireland, where a surname is so common, every 2nd shop is called in the town, for example "Doherty's" in Donegal.
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innocentbabies ONLINE (11 hours ago) [-]
Why should I be proud of how I was born? I did nothing for, it's just a part of who I am. I would no sooner be proud of being blonde. It's what you do with what you're given that really matters, in my opinion, and I haven't done ********* .
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oosulley (12 hours ago) [-] In fact, Ive done it for you
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28nominal%29_per_capita
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28nominal%29_per_capita
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deutschblut (3 hours ago) [-] Having a high GDP does not mean that the people are wealthy. It means the GDP is high.
The USA has one of the highest GDPs in the world.
Everyone I know is so poor they can barely eat. Homelessness is such an epidemic, we just arrest people that have no place to live.
Ireland's GDP ranks 56th in the world. And their per capita GDP is USD$50,000. That is not much to live on in Ireland.
The USA has one of the highest GDPs in the world.
Everyone I know is so poor they can barely eat. Homelessness is such an epidemic, we just arrest people that have no place to live.
Ireland's GDP ranks 56th in the world. And their per capita GDP is USD$50,000. That is not much to live on in Ireland.
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nuciferatu (17 hours ago) [-] Am I the only one that thinks paying for a service actually makes sense? Sure, water should be free, but actually getting it to my house is a service that needs cash to function. That's not a problem for me.
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dudenectar (15 hours ago) [-] i totally agree, i mean, it doesnt just fall from the sky
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DremoraValkynaz (17 hours ago) [-] No, but the way they've approached it has been absolutely abysmal.
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nuciferatu (17 hours ago) [-] Oh, I didn't really follow that I just found out at one point "now we pay for water". Cool, I'll set up a standing. Done. *shrug*
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neweire (11 hours ago) [-]
yes,but the situation in ireland is a bit different as your social housing charge goes towards your water payment,along with your tax money, ALONG with part of the money you pay on motor tax, not to mention that the Siemens company approached the irish government saying they would install and supply the meters at no/next to no cost but yet some prick in dail eireann wanted to line his buddies pockets with a massive contract. Thats why people can be pissed off about Irish water.
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anon (17 hours ago) [-]
What do you think taxes are for? Do you think the water just magically flowed to our taps before this?
The issue is that they're making an entirely new branch of government to deal with it, wasting **** knows how many taxpayer euros to pay utterly unneeded government employees, in addition to the strong chance that it will later be privatized, meaning we could lose our basic right to drinking water.
The issue is that they're making an entirely new branch of government to deal with it, wasting **** knows how many taxpayer euros to pay utterly unneeded government employees, in addition to the strong chance that it will later be privatized, meaning we could lose our basic right to drinking water.
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lolollo (13 hours ago) [-] It's not necessarily because we're not pussies, its because we pick our battles. We do get offended, its just that when we get offended, we don't do so through internet hatefights. If you offend us, you don't get a hurtful tweet, you get a moltov cocktail to the face.
Though the moltov cocktail will be full of piss and won't really work Gratuitous waste of alcohol...
Though the moltov cocktail will be full of piss and won't really work Gratuitous waste of alcohol...
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asotil (23 hours ago) [-] False, the Irish are too drunk to know anything even exists apart from " **** ENGLAND"
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feelythefeel (11 hours ago) [-] The new mascot looks like a parody of itself from Rick and Morty.
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iamnuff (15 hours ago) [-] If you upset the irish, the IRA will send you a sternly worded bomb letter.
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deutschblut (14 hours ago) [-] It's because they are drunk.
No, but seriously Irish are great craic. I love the Irish. Very down to Earth fellows.
No, but seriously Irish are great craic. I love the Irish. Very down to Earth fellows.
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themanwithavoice (16 hours ago) [-] Part Irish here, can confirm that I dont give a **** about anything Irish.
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wilburn (01/11/2016) [-] got a few Irish friends via wow, they actually support stereotyping people and themselves, to them, and pretty much the whole country, its comedy gold
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derpthefifth ONLINE (11 hours ago) [-] I was gonna say, **** off the Irish are offended. The Irish are never offended, unless they're punching you or going to war or forming the IRA
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anon (13 hours ago) [-]
I think a lot of the stink that's made about so-called offensive logos and such isn't actually made by the supposed offended group. It's often made by rich white people with too much time on their hands.
