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andrewskistuff (12/22/2015) [-] So what you are saying is.....
We should vote for Steve Harvey for pres
We should vote for Steve Harvey for pres
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ellojello (12/23/2015) [-]
What's your cite on Bill being unpredictable?
He did almost everything he said he would do and pulled America out of a small crash after the first Bush presidency.
Also, don't cite him getting his dick wet. He was a player and probably still is; guy loved chicks and everyone knew it. He was like the Kennedy family that way; him getting some side action was not unpredictable.
He did almost everything he said he would do and pulled America out of a small crash after the first Bush presidency.
Also, don't cite him getting his dick wet. He was a player and probably still is; guy loved chicks and everyone knew it. He was like the Kennedy family that way; him getting some side action was not unpredictable.
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anon (12/23/2015) [-]
Yeah, I mean, who cares if he sexually assaulted women? He was just gettin whut was his yo. President pussy crusher.
I'm sure the Republican congress had NOTHING to do with the economic recovery. Congress only controls the budget and finances of the country.
PS you're an idiot
I'm sure the Republican congress had NOTHING to do with the economic recovery. Congress only controls the budget and finances of the country.
PS you're an idiot
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ellojello (12/23/2015) [-]
I didn't say his treatment of women was a GOOD thing, I said it was predictable. The guy I responded to said Bill was unpredictable, which I don't think he was. I agree wholeheartedly that what he did/does was bad and dishonest.
And yes, congress always has something to do with the budget, but the president has a huge say over what gets done to it since he has final veto power over any budget that congress proposes. The budget proposed and most of the action taken during that time was entirely under Bill's guidance/instruction.
And yes, congress always has something to do with the budget, but the president has a huge say over what gets done to it since he has final veto power over any budget that congress proposes. The budget proposed and most of the action taken during that time was entirely under Bill's guidance/instruction.
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ellojello (12/23/2015) [-]
Support your claim or don't make it.
Clinton oversaw one of the best economies and it is largely attributed him and his team. The only bad call he made that he was pressured into was the overturning of Glass-Steagal which was pushed for heavily by both parties.
Clinton oversaw one of the best economies and it is largely attributed him and his team. The only bad call he made that he was pressured into was the overturning of Glass-Steagal which was pushed for heavily by both parties.
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uglychino (12/23/2015) [-] If you're the President of America, Suppose Christian, and a wife that was hot at young age, I don't think thats acce[table as president to get your dick suck under the table. And he is known for just that. I love JFK, but he died cause he took the bait with Marilyn Monroe. Ya got to understand there's the puppet and the puppeteer, and I don't think Bernie is a puppet. Trump is not a puppet either but I can't trust a man with an ego like that that also talks about ******* his daughter, talking **** about my Mexicans and Muslim Brothers. If Hillary wins, it's just going to be a nother puppet
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ellojello (12/23/2015) [-]
I didn't say it was acceptable, I said it was predictable, the post I was replying to said Bill was unpredictable which I don't think he was.
And I agree with the rest of the stuff. I like Bernie, I'll vote for him provided there isn't some huge revelation between now and election. but I really don't see why you're bringing that up here? I didn't say anything about the current presidency nominations.
And I agree with the rest of the stuff. I like Bernie, I'll vote for him provided there isn't some huge revelation between now and election. but I really don't see why you're bringing that up here? I didn't say anything about the current presidency nominations.
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weightedtemp (12/23/2015) [-] 8 years with a black president and racial tension in this country has grown incredibly. I'm not saying we need a racist president, but we certainly don't need another president that's going to pander to ludicrous and violent "protests" and fuel the flames of misunderstanding and hatred
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anon (12/23/2015) [-]
Yes, racial tension is up because racists have lost their minds having a black President in Office for 7 years and beating them in 2 elections. They never got over it. What violent protests is Obama supposedly fomenting? The Republicans seem to have turned into the Tea Party, which openly endorses tax cheats who point guns at cops (Cliven Bundy), commit hate crimes and hold violent Trump rallies where dissenters get assaulted. Not to mention form militias (Minutemen) who train to kill cops and soldiers who they expect to take their guns. Just go ahead and admit you want a racist President. It's no secret about the GOP.
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dyelfagget (12/23/2015) [-]
>wanting peace in the middle east
I don't want that, I want us to have boots on the ground to restore order to a savage part of the world. ISIS isn't going to stop killing people because Bernie asks them nicely.
I don't want that, I want us to have boots on the ground to restore order to a savage part of the world. ISIS isn't going to stop killing people because Bernie asks them nicely.
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anon (12/23/2015) [-]
You are aware that every attempt to send troops to that part of the world has always been an immense **** up and clearly doesn't work too well? Or are we just going to ignore the fact that ISIS only exist because of an American attempt to restore order to a savage part of the world?
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dyelfagget (12/23/2015) [-]
ISIS only exists because of the massive void Obama left when he pulled out. We sacrificed lives for the progress we had been making and he threw it all away. We had been making forward progress things like Fallujah weren't happening anymore and **** was starting to calm down.
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abesimpson (12/23/2015) [-] If you send troops to fight Isis, the American occupation will cause local resentment and more recruits for Isis. That's why they are baiting us with attacks, they want an invasion. They want to be bombed.
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thesecretbear (12/23/2015) [-] They aren't going to stop killing people because Americans attack them either. Even if we crush them another group will take their place.
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uglychino (12/23/2015) [-] WE'RE NOT FROM THERE, It's been a war between Euro's and Middle easterners for Thousands of years. We don't belong there. Bernie Wants Muslims to come together. Looking at all my red thumbs shows how much you guys want more of your friends and family to keep going over to the desert of there to die. War doesn't work anymore when too many people can have s **** reasons to pick up a gun. We're ******* savages too, Assad never ******* dropped a nuke twice. America is not the good guys, and Since France attack, Turkey blowing up russian planes, and Saudi Arabia is about to have woman civil rights, There's going to be big changes in the middle East and we better be on there good side.
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kurtislloydb (12/23/2015) [-] I keep forgetting how conservative FJ is. Kinda pisses me off how one-sided people can be. Sorry for the red thumbs brother. I gave you a green one.
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thesecretbear (12/23/2015) [-] It's a crowd mentality thing. People are bad at making their own un-influenced decisions. We are no different on that matter.
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ingloriousgamer (12/23/2015) [-] Its not free. Its Never Free. Someone ALWAYS has to pay, and It'll b everyone throguh their taxes, and the repayment of our insane national debt
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arreatface (12/23/2015) [-] we have free college over here in europe in france at least
it's pretty swell
I'm not saying that its the same everywhere, but your college tuition system seems pretty broken.
From what I understood you need to pay like 50k even for public college again I could be wrong, i'm just trying to give you my view on the situation so students are obligated to have a loan or semi comfotable income parents.
getting people in debt isnt the best way to interest them in having a decent college education I think.
What alternative would you propose to 'free college' ? semi-free ? reducing prices of college tuitions because no way sitting a students ass on a chair costs so much ?
feel free to express, I am very interested by that issue currently
it's pretty swell
I'm not saying that its the same everywhere, but your college tuition system seems pretty broken.
From what I understood you need to pay like 50k even for public college again I could be wrong, i'm just trying to give you my view on the situation so students are obligated to have a loan or semi comfotable income parents.
getting people in debt isnt the best way to interest them in having a decent college education I think.
What alternative would you propose to 'free college' ? semi-free ? reducing prices of college tuitions because no way sitting a students ass on a chair costs so much ?
feel free to express, I am very interested by that issue currently
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durkadurka (12/23/2015) [-] You're free to give as much money as you'd like to schools. Nobody is stopping you.
Hell, give some of your money to a college student; I'm sure they'd appreciate it.
You won't actually put your money where your mouth is.
Hell, give some of your money to a college student; I'm sure they'd appreciate it.
You won't actually put your money where your mouth is.
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thesecretbear (12/23/2015) [-] I am a college student m8. I ain't got no money.
But by the time anything free college oriented stuff came I wouldn't apply to it, or would be completely done with college. Considering I'm on my major now.
That being said I want my kids to not have to go through the same **** .
But by the time anything free college oriented stuff came I wouldn't apply to it, or would be completely done with college. Considering I'm on my major now.
That being said I want my kids to not have to go through the same **** .
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durkadurka (12/23/2015) [-] So in 10 or so years, assuming we maintain the same system, are you willing to put your money where your mouth is?
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samples (12/23/2015) [-] Our system is broken because people are greedy. We should be paying for the cost of the services and they are overpricing said services. This also goes for healthcare. It's really quite simple. Making college education free is simply not logical, our tax system is corrupt, if we make more things "free" it will only get worse. Lower education (primary school, etc) being free hasn't been horribly fantastic either, children that are highly capable are being held back, and children that are having issues are falling way behind. Some people are quite simply not brain surgeons, they were made for different things and should be trained for such. If we were to implement free college education, we would start to run into the same issues. Once people got the free education, next they would want everyone to be able to go to college, and then we start pandering to people less capable, we start to lose our intelligence and move towards everyone being "equal" this, to me is a horrible thing. Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible.
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durkadurka (12/23/2015) [-] The crux of the matter is the notion that I should be forced to pay for someone else's anthropology degree or their art history degree or whatever. Quite honestly this is absurd. Not only does it force me to pay for other peoples' bad choices (ie a useless degree or spending those 4 years partying), but there's no logical distinction from this or being forced to pay for someone else's food, home, car, etc.
>reducing prices of college tuitions because no way sitting a students ass on a chair costs so much ?
They've already tried to do this. They subsidize the costs with federal loans, but this actually helps inflate the cost of tuition Since you're guaranteeing a certain amount of federal dollars with every student
It's also important to note that most people aren't paying 50k a year for college. A lot of times that high sticker price is just to make their university seem exclusive or fancy or whatever. What they tend to do is cut your tuition down significantly under the pretext of scholarships and whatnot. I don't actually know anyone who pays that much for college.
Here's what I propose:
College is an investment. You are investing in educating yourself. If you don't think that investment is worth it, don't go to college. If you think the investment is worth it, do it and the benefit you gain from it should enable you to pay off those loans.
It's just like buying yourself a car: You do it because you believe it will make your situation better off, and I'm not expected to pay for your vehicle.
>reducing prices of college tuitions because no way sitting a students ass on a chair costs so much ?
They've already tried to do this. They subsidize the costs with federal loans, but this actually helps inflate the cost of tuition Since you're guaranteeing a certain amount of federal dollars with every student
It's also important to note that most people aren't paying 50k a year for college. A lot of times that high sticker price is just to make their university seem exclusive or fancy or whatever. What they tend to do is cut your tuition down significantly under the pretext of scholarships and whatnot. I don't actually know anyone who pays that much for college.
Here's what I propose:
College is an investment. You are investing in educating yourself. If you don't think that investment is worth it, don't go to college. If you think the investment is worth it, do it and the benefit you gain from it should enable you to pay off those loans.
It's just like buying yourself a car: You do it because you believe it will make your situation better off, and I'm not expected to pay for your vehicle.
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fukkendragonite (12/23/2015) [-] It is an investment, which is why you're being asked to invest in your own country's people. Invest in the next generation, and who knows, they might just make a decent wedge and be able to afford a great pension for you. It comes back around to you that way. If you don't believe in your fellow countrymen and women, then what the **** is your flag for anyway?
The point is not everyone can afford to take that leap. Good intelligent young people miss opportunities because they can't break free of the class barrier.
The point is not everyone can afford to take that leap. Good intelligent young people miss opportunities because they can't break free of the class barrier.
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durkadurka (12/23/2015) [-] Why should I not be expected to invest in their car as well? After all they need it to get to work! What about new clothes so they can look professional in job interviews? The logic is the same here.
And if the investment is so bad that a person won't make that investment themselves, why am I suddenly expected to make that bad investment?
Also, it's important to note that I'm not being asked, I'm being told. IE, money is forcibly being extracted from me. This is the government telling me it knows how to spend my own money better than i do.
I actually DO believe in my countrymen. I believe they're smart and strong enough to figure things out and help themselves. I believe they're capable of figuring out whether nor not a degree is actually worth the price tag. I believe that they're capable of telling good investments apart from bad ones. And I believe they're better than needing big brother to take care of things for them.
Our flag is for liberty.
And if the investment is so bad that a person won't make that investment themselves, why am I suddenly expected to make that bad investment?
Also, it's important to note that I'm not being asked, I'm being told. IE, money is forcibly being extracted from me. This is the government telling me it knows how to spend my own money better than i do.
I actually DO believe in my countrymen. I believe they're smart and strong enough to figure things out and help themselves. I believe they're capable of figuring out whether nor not a degree is actually worth the price tag. I believe that they're capable of telling good investments apart from bad ones. And I believe they're better than needing big brother to take care of things for them.
Our flag is for liberty.
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fukkendragonite (12/23/2015) [-] It's not a case of "is it worth it" and more a case of "It's absolutely worth it but if I don't make it, I'm on the streets begging for change because the debt will cripple me".
I don't care how high your taxes would be, it won't be high enough to leave you begging on the streets.
I don't care how high your taxes would be, it won't be high enough to leave you begging on the streets.
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durkadurka (12/23/2015) [-] You're saying "It's absolutely worth it the outcome if everything goes my way." But that's not how life works.
Again, why should I make be forced to make the investment in you that you're not willing to make yourself?
And what's the difference between this and being forced to pay for the car you drive or the clothes you wear?
You're arguing for a forcible redistribution of wealth.
Again, why should I make be forced to make the investment in you that you're not willing to make yourself?
And what's the difference between this and being forced to pay for the car you drive or the clothes you wear?
You're arguing for a forcible redistribution of wealth.
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fukkendragonite (12/24/2015) [-] It's not an investment in "me" because I'm already a student and I'm already paying my own fees. Just worth mentioning.
Yes, I suppose I am arguing for a forcible redistribution of wealth. That represents a good thing to me. I guess we've found where we differ. Good discussing this with you. I respect your opinion.
Yes, I suppose I am arguing for a forcible redistribution of wealth. That represents a good thing to me. I guess we've found where we differ. Good discussing this with you. I respect your opinion.
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dzeusas (12/23/2015) [-] I have no position in the upcoming vote since I'm not from the US but the college part still baffles me. Why the **** do you act like funding education through taxes of everyone is a bad thing? What the **** are you thinking? Who else would pay for it? Schools left to their own devices managed to raise the prices of education so ******* high that the biggest consideration before getting into a college is not whether you have good enough grades, but whether or not you or your parents will be able to afford it. What the **** kind of system is that? The future of the country literally lies in the hands of the young people, and the first thing they have to do after high school is to be put through a meat grinder of ******* getting an education and surviving. And then they come out of it with dept for the next ten years. Of course everyone should pay taxes to give free or at least semi free education (government pays ~80% of the cost) to the students. What other way is there to look at education? Bachelor degrees don't even come close to guaranteeing a job these days anyway.
But I guess spending retarded amounts of money for being a huge military power and supporting the ever growing army of obese whales who need to fuel themselves and their mobility scooters constantly, without producing a cent of value for their own country is more important. I don't mean to say that everything is wrong, but holy **** is the education system ****** up there.
But I guess spending retarded amounts of money for being a huge military power and supporting the ever growing army of obese whales who need to fuel themselves and their mobility scooters constantly, without producing a cent of value for their own country is more important. I don't mean to say that everything is wrong, but holy **** is the education system ****** up there.
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bokbokbok (12/23/2015) [-]
People here are stupid and don't want to pay taxes. These same people drive on roads, go across bridges, want the police to show up if called, want the fire department to come put their house fires out and want social security, medicaid and medicare. There is al disconnect on the stupidity of the masses (especially rich people for some reason) that they expect all without contributing anything for some reason.
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dzeusas (12/23/2015) [-] If people don't realize, that paying taxes directly translates to those services, then they really need the free education. I mean it's such a basic concept, why would they feel like they're entitled to something, without putting something into the system first?
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xxjimmyxx (12/23/2015) [-] Yes and do you understand how much better that is?
There is 122 million Americans who pay federal income tax, so lets take this as our number for how many people will be paying the additional taxes for free college.
if they spend a billion tax payer dollars to fund this every month, it would be 8 dollars per month per tax payer so this would allow 1000's of people who could never dream of going to college the chance to get better jobs and possibly helping the economy rather than doing nothing
There is 122 million Americans who pay federal income tax, so lets take this as our number for how many people will be paying the additional taxes for free college.
if they spend a billion tax payer dollars to fund this every month, it would be 8 dollars per month per tax payer so this would allow 1000's of people who could never dream of going to college the chance to get better jobs and possibly helping the economy rather than doing nothing
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uglychino (12/23/2015) [-] Nothing is free, we all pay for **** already. All these good things that Bernie is saying, are GOOD things, Black rights=great if you're white then you don't know how badly my black cousin has it in society Free public college= Everyone wants to go, when you go to college oppurtunities open up, and hey maybe one of the kids will be a billionair after which is one of the points to going to college is to get a great job. =Wants middle east to come together= hopefully create a muslim empire as large as the Ottomans and LIKE HILARY, he wants equal pay for Woman and free Healthcare which what every other super power has, In Rwanda in Africa they found a cure to stop hiv to be spread from pregnant mothers to their kids[spoiler] By the time that medicine gets here, The ******* pharmaceuticals company are going to have a field day with those prices so waht is going to do? lower them. [/spoiler]. ALL these things are positives with good intentions and ya have a problem with it cause he doesn't want to kill ISIS by himself, and wants the assholes who crashed our market in the firstplace and messed up you Europeans economy as well, to help pay for kids who want to better themselves in school and ya have a problem with that?
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durkadurka (12/23/2015) [-] >what I need in a few months.
This is why you support bernie. It's a gibsmedat mentality.
This is why you support bernie. It's a gibsmedat mentality.
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makethingsworse (12/23/2015) [-] Voting for Bernie Sanders is a meme at this point.
"We want everything to be free without any financial liability whatsoever! Also I was wearing bowties that look like mustaches before it was a subtrend!
Bernie 2016!"
"We want everything to be free without any financial liability whatsoever! Also I was wearing bowties that look like mustaches before it was a subtrend!
Bernie 2016!"
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makethingsworse (12/24/2015) [-] Comparing America to other countries that don't even nearly come close to our population is a faux pas.
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brobathehutt (12/23/2015) [-] Gee how about you go ******* complain to Congress, the branch that actually makes the ******* budget. God you nitwits all think that everything goes through the president, the president can't even stop laws from being passed if congress puts their minds to it, what the **** do you expect him to do about it? Pocket veto? Then we wont have a functioning government at all. Stop trying to pin everything on the president and focus on the branches that are causing the most damage to this country.
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bronynexgen (12/23/2015) [-] www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7hIFP9ZCqE
Doesn't really need to. I'm not going to try to explain, so I'm going to let a Nobel Prize winner do it for me.
Doesn't really need to. I'm not going to try to explain, so I'm going to let a Nobel Prize winner do it for me.
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sphincterface (12/23/2015) [-] Could you imagine?
ISIS releases some huge statement how they are going to burn America to the ground, which is suddenly interrupted by Steve Harvey's own small broadcast where all he says is "You can't say that on TV." Bombs fall from the sky, destroying multiple ISIS bases and audiences all across America can't hold back their laughter.
ISIS releases some huge statement how they are going to burn America to the ground, which is suddenly interrupted by Steve Harvey's own small broadcast where all he says is "You can't say that on TV." Bombs fall from the sky, destroying multiple ISIS bases and audiences all across America can't hold back their laughter.
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thechosentroll (12/23/2015) [-] To be fair, he probably knows more about managing money than the rest of those idiots.
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humpydumpy (12/30/2015) [-]
Oh you're a libtard, I see. Disregarding anything you have to say based on the fact that you are legally considered a flying ******* retard.
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raddaraddaradda (12/22/2015) [-]
Well... all the republican candidates are insane, so we aren't left with much choice.
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anon (12/23/2015) [-]
Here's my thing with Trump. He has a lot of great ideas for the economy, but he never ******* talks about them. He only ever talks about immigration, foreign policy, or telling Hillary she "got schlonged".
He's most likely intentionally doing that for the free, and easy publicity. He's able to say those things because he isn't paying for his campaign with someone else's money, so why not use the crazy to get even more publicity? It's clearly working. He's winning all but one state for Republicans.
That being said, his immigration and foreign policy are frightening if this is what he actually believes, but his economic policy and his hilarious banter are top notch.
He's most likely intentionally doing that for the free, and easy publicity. He's able to say those things because he isn't paying for his campaign with someone else's money, so why not use the crazy to get even more publicity? It's clearly working. He's winning all but one state for Republicans.
That being said, his immigration and foreign policy are frightening if this is what he actually believes, but his economic policy and his hilarious banter are top notch.
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thebellboy (12/23/2015) [-] Thanks, but I'd rather not have worldwars three and four happen at the same time.
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lathyrusvii (12/22/2015) [-] You can't just do that, you can't ask people to change their political affiliation at the drop of a hat.
God, what are you, some sort of proponent for critical thinking?
God, what are you, some sort of proponent for critical thinking?
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lathyrusvii (12/22/2015) [-] ... Well, according to the content, for your honesty i must now mock you.
I guess I won't, though. If I did vote, I'd vote Trump, simply because he's the louder of the two evils, and it's a sort of comfort to know exactly how ****** we'd be getting, for once.
I guess I won't, though. If I did vote, I'd vote Trump, simply because he's the louder of the two evils, and it's a sort of comfort to know exactly how ****** we'd be getting, for once.
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lathyrusvii (12/22/2015) [-] I am American, and I also find it hilarious. But like, in a sad way.
Least I still have muh gun :[
Least I still have muh gun :[
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lathyrusvii (12/23/2015) [-] Probably. It's nice to have it recognized, though, at least.
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heartlessrobot (12/23/2015) [-] All the republicans are insane, and all the democrats are idiots.
It's a lose-lose, you just have to decide where you'll lose less.
It's a lose-lose, you just have to decide where you'll lose less.
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blackmageewizardt (12/23/2015) [-] pff not like severall top Economist agree with Sanders or something, i mean he can´t even ******* buy them.
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anon (12/23/2015) [-]
None of bernie's economic policies would be at all radical in any other developed nation, in fact he'd still be considered right of centre fairly easily elsewhere. He does know how economics works, its just that America is so different from everywhere else which makes them seem so unusual
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bronynexgen (12/23/2015) [-] Uuhhh, Robert Reich, Richard Wolff, Elizabeth Warren, and Paul Krugman would like to respectably disagree.
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ellojello (12/23/2015) [-]
Defend your position or don't make a claim.
As many others have already pointed out, the policies Bernie talks about imposing are already imposed in Germany, France, Britain, and pretty much all Scandinavian countries. Those countries are very successful. Also, most chief economists agree that his policies would work and have worked in the past (even in the USA they have worked before) ( usuncut.com/politics/top-economist-says-bernies-plan-will-actually-save-the-us-5-trillion/ ). Taxes on the upper class are at an all time low for the USA.
Bernie himself has videos that talk in depth about what his policies would do, and how they would be funded. This is leaps and bounds better than ever other candidate who "has a plan." That's all you ever here from Hilary and EVERY republican.
"How will you balance the federal budget."
> Oh, don't worry, I <insert any other candidates name here> have a plan. The plan will balance the budget. Step (1) is balance the budget, step (2) is knock off for lunch.
"How will you handle the threat of ISIL"
> Oh, don't worry, I have a plan. The plan is to bomb them and then they will have been bombed and America is the greatest.
Meanwhile Bernie actually makes videos that go "to balance this part of the budget we will cut this this and this, giving us X more dollars. The projected spend rate says this will extend programs (such as medicare) until year XXXX; to further extend and stabilize we will increase taxes on this and this which will....
And when you ask him about fighting ISIL he actually responds with a plan utilizing coalition forces to stop us from being mired in unwinnable and expensive war.
All the republican candidates (and Hilary, who voted for going into the Middle East way back in 2001, which Bernie opposed) decided the best way to "run our economy" would be to go massively into debt to fight a way that doesn't/hasn't helped anything. To give you exact numbers; the CBO estimates the long term cost of the war in Iraq (just the war in Iraq, not counting our other military exploits) will be 1.9trillion dollars; $6300 dollars per US citizen. This does not count a lot of the military equipment loss; just what we have paid. During the war, it cost $720million per day; of that we only paid $280million, the rest we left unpaid as loans from China.
This was the obvious economic outcome of war in Iraq, and all the republicans voted for it; Bernie did not. So I really, REALLY, fail to see how you can claim "Bernie doesn't understand how the economy works" when every other real candidate up on the stages voted to take out a $440million dollar loan EVERY ******* DAY for years.
Sources: www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/21/AR2007092102074.html
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_cost_of_the_Iraq_War
I know you're anon and never going to see this, probably, but really. As I already said, if you make a claim, ******* defend it. Your claim is factually inaccurate as far as I can tell. You might be able to claim "that you have a moral objection to socialist-type ideas" and because of that you don't like Bernie; but his plan does work. His plan even works in a real world setting.
Too many of you ******* republican types confuse moral objection with something not working period. For instance, communism works. It does, on paper, communism works and is a fine way to manage an economy. You and I and most others have a moral objection to that kind of wealth redistribution and it ends up not working in real life because of that. But the same is true of pure capitalism. In theory, it works, but realistically short-term profit insentives drive companies to **** the environment and the consumer (a-la Upton Sinclair's the Jungle). Mild socialism with a capitalist backbone is historically shown to be the most resilient and successful form of governmental and economic management.
As many others have already pointed out, the policies Bernie talks about imposing are already imposed in Germany, France, Britain, and pretty much all Scandinavian countries. Those countries are very successful. Also, most chief economists agree that his policies would work and have worked in the past (even in the USA they have worked before) ( usuncut.com/politics/top-economist-says-bernies-plan-will-actually-save-the-us-5-trillion/ ). Taxes on the upper class are at an all time low for the USA.
Bernie himself has videos that talk in depth about what his policies would do, and how they would be funded. This is leaps and bounds better than ever other candidate who "has a plan." That's all you ever here from Hilary and EVERY republican.
"How will you balance the federal budget."
> Oh, don't worry, I <insert any other candidates name here> have a plan. The plan will balance the budget. Step (1) is balance the budget, step (2) is knock off for lunch.
"How will you handle the threat of ISIL"
> Oh, don't worry, I have a plan. The plan is to bomb them and then they will have been bombed and America is the greatest.
Meanwhile Bernie actually makes videos that go "to balance this part of the budget we will cut this this and this, giving us X more dollars. The projected spend rate says this will extend programs (such as medicare) until year XXXX; to further extend and stabilize we will increase taxes on this and this which will....
And when you ask him about fighting ISIL he actually responds with a plan utilizing coalition forces to stop us from being mired in unwinnable and expensive war.
All the republican candidates (and Hilary, who voted for going into the Middle East way back in 2001, which Bernie opposed) decided the best way to "run our economy" would be to go massively into debt to fight a way that doesn't/hasn't helped anything. To give you exact numbers; the CBO estimates the long term cost of the war in Iraq (just the war in Iraq, not counting our other military exploits) will be 1.9trillion dollars; $6300 dollars per US citizen. This does not count a lot of the military equipment loss; just what we have paid. During the war, it cost $720million per day; of that we only paid $280million, the rest we left unpaid as loans from China.
This was the obvious economic outcome of war in Iraq, and all the republicans voted for it; Bernie did not. So I really, REALLY, fail to see how you can claim "Bernie doesn't understand how the economy works" when every other real candidate up on the stages voted to take out a $440million dollar loan EVERY ******* DAY for years.
Sources: www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/21/AR2007092102074.html
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_cost_of_the_Iraq_War
I know you're anon and never going to see this, probably, but really. As I already said, if you make a claim, ******* defend it. Your claim is factually inaccurate as far as I can tell. You might be able to claim "that you have a moral objection to socialist-type ideas" and because of that you don't like Bernie; but his plan does work. His plan even works in a real world setting.
Too many of you ******* republican types confuse moral objection with something not working period. For instance, communism works. It does, on paper, communism works and is a fine way to manage an economy. You and I and most others have a moral objection to that kind of wealth redistribution and it ends up not working in real life because of that. But the same is true of pure capitalism. In theory, it works, but realistically short-term profit insentives drive companies to **** the environment and the consumer (a-la Upton Sinclair's the Jungle). Mild socialism with a capitalist backbone is historically shown to be the most resilient and successful form of governmental and economic management.
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humpydumpy (12/30/2015) [-]
Lmao, nice ad hominem attack bro. I'm 32 with a college degree though, retard. But tell me Mr. Bigstuff, how does me calling her Hitlery have anything to do with my intelligence? To be honest only stupid people support Hitlery after everything she has done. Now kindly, go **** off.
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humpydumpy (12/30/2015) [-]
Lol ok man, whatever, you aren't even worth it. Try coming at me with something relevant.
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trolljunkusa ONLINE (12/23/2015) [-] AKA O'malley or Bernie
and we all know it won't be O'malley
and we all know it won't be O'malley
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hongkonglongdong (12/23/2015) [-]
Even they don't seem to be voting for her. They're going for Sanders, it seems.
Honestly, the whole Two Party State system is unbelievably ****** to the point that no candidate is a good candidate. But that's just my two cents.
Honestly, the whole Two Party State system is unbelievably ****** to the point that no candidate is a good candidate. But that's just my two cents.
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thecrayzeeman (12/23/2015) [-]
You don't spend a lot of time on the internet, do you?
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durkadurka (12/23/2015) [-] Last time I heard, he actually has a lot of black support for a Republican. Something like it hasn't been higher in a long long time.
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cockineveryorifice (12/23/2015) [-]
Few things makes me happier than seeing black women be patriotic. **** . Black Lives Matter.
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bronynexgen (12/23/2015) [-] His support among black voters is now rising. He has BLM on his side now, including Dr. Cornel West, Killer Mike, The Based God, and many influential leaders in the black community.
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asotil (12/22/2015) [-] Nah, they're all voting Bernie"Not a Real Colonel" Sanders. Source: I go to a college where everyone is ******* insane or a poor illiterate tumbrlina people dislike facts and logic
The only people voting Hilary are Mass Media workers who are payed to promote and vote her, and most of them are not voting for her
The only people voting Hilary are Mass Media workers who are payed to promote and vote her, and most of them are not voting for her
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anametoremember (12/23/2015) [-] Would you be kind enough to give me some examples as to why you state that the people in your university "dislike" facts and logic?
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asotil (12/23/2015) [-] "Women make less than men" That's ******** and here's why "I DON'T TOLERATE MISOGYNY"
Professor: "Life is so hard, the 4 guys I'm dating all gave me a cell phone from each of them. What do I do?" Don't date 4 guys, maybe pick one or none "EXCUSE ME WHAT GIVES YOU THE RIGHT TO SPEAK ABOUT MY LIFE I DIDN'T ASK YOU BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH"
"Blah blah blah math question with words 102-28=74 is sally right?" Yes because that's sound math "BUT ANON IT'S WRONG BECAUSE I ESTIMATE 100-30 TO BE 70"
"IF YOU SUPPORT ABORTION YOU CAN LEAVE MY CLASS AND WALK INTO THE NEAREST FREEWAY RIGHT NOW"
Some kid was accused of "Spacial Rape" because a group of cunts like to smoke and lean against the door to the main building. Kid had to leave, dumb cunt had to move, started crying and called campus security saying she was being raped while multiple women screamed a Johnny I-Just-Need-To-Get-To-My-Car
BLM posters and announcements, People stood blocking the doors to leave mid October and weren't letting people through unless they would sit and listen to their ******** spiel about ******* equality or some ******** about how the white man is evil. Crowd was forming, people were getting angry, I just used the library door
"Not enough women in STEM" happened
"Why is their no womens bathroom here?" Because it's across the ******* hallway directly adjacent
"By a show of hands who's voting for Donald Trump"
*no hands raised*
"Who's voting for Sanders/Clinton?"
*Everyone but like 4 people raise their hand*
"WHY AREN'T YOU ANSWERING?"
It's absolutely none of your ******* business
"WHY IS IT SUCH A BIG DEAL I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHO YOU'RE VOTING FOR IS ALL"
Professor repeatedly brought her kid to the class. Twice she just left him their with us while she was "Having a cigarette" for an hour and 30 minutes
My final grade in English was dropped from an A- to a C- because there's 2 absences on my attendance sheet I never took and that I have the ******* work for from those days. "DON'T FIGHT IT ASOTIL THEY'RE THERE I'M NOT ARGUING YOU'RE GETTING MARKED DOWN THAT'S FINAL" Here is the ******* work from that day "WHAT DID I JUST TELL YOU DO YOU WANT AN F NOW?"
Hi I need to speak to my adviser for my next courses *blank stare like I'm inconveniencing them from doing their ******* jobs before they go back to their conversation, so I took their stapler and started walking out the door* "EXCUSE ME GET BACK HERE NOW" Are you going to do your ******* job and page my adviser?
Bernie posters line the ******* halls
Hitler/Trump comparison we've all seen lining the same halls
Only person in my English class to disagree about complete legalization of all drugs
Bernie shirts being handed out, no library unless you take one
If I had a nickel for how many weed shirts I saw each day
"University and healthcare should be free" every single ******* day
Every Sanders supporter I see tends to either be a rich white kid who's parents pay for their college while simultaneously blaming the evil white man in college, or is a complete ******* waste of oxygen who wants everything for free and complains about not having money yet doesn't want to do their job and spends endlessly on the new phone or boots
Professor: "Life is so hard, the 4 guys I'm dating all gave me a cell phone from each of them. What do I do?" Don't date 4 guys, maybe pick one or none "EXCUSE ME WHAT GIVES YOU THE RIGHT TO SPEAK ABOUT MY LIFE I DIDN'T ASK YOU BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH"
"Blah blah blah math question with words 102-28=74 is sally right?" Yes because that's sound math "BUT ANON IT'S WRONG BECAUSE I ESTIMATE 100-30 TO BE 70"
"IF YOU SUPPORT ABORTION YOU CAN LEAVE MY CLASS AND WALK INTO THE NEAREST FREEWAY RIGHT NOW"
Some kid was accused of "Spacial Rape" because a group of cunts like to smoke and lean against the door to the main building. Kid had to leave, dumb cunt had to move, started crying and called campus security saying she was being raped while multiple women screamed a Johnny I-Just-Need-To-Get-To-My-Car
BLM posters and announcements, People stood blocking the doors to leave mid October and weren't letting people through unless they would sit and listen to their ******** spiel about ******* equality or some ******** about how the white man is evil. Crowd was forming, people were getting angry, I just used the library door
"Not enough women in STEM" happened
"Why is their no womens bathroom here?" Because it's across the ******* hallway directly adjacent
"By a show of hands who's voting for Donald Trump"
*no hands raised*
"Who's voting for Sanders/Clinton?"
*Everyone but like 4 people raise their hand*
"WHY AREN'T YOU ANSWERING?"
It's absolutely none of your ******* business
"WHY IS IT SUCH A BIG DEAL I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHO YOU'RE VOTING FOR IS ALL"
Professor repeatedly brought her kid to the class. Twice she just left him their with us while she was "Having a cigarette" for an hour and 30 minutes
My final grade in English was dropped from an A- to a C- because there's 2 absences on my attendance sheet I never took and that I have the ******* work for from those days. "DON'T FIGHT IT ASOTIL THEY'RE THERE I'M NOT ARGUING YOU'RE GETTING MARKED DOWN THAT'S FINAL" Here is the ******* work from that day "WHAT DID I JUST TELL YOU DO YOU WANT AN F NOW?"
Hi I need to speak to my adviser for my next courses *blank stare like I'm inconveniencing them from doing their ******* jobs before they go back to their conversation, so I took their stapler and started walking out the door* "EXCUSE ME GET BACK HERE NOW" Are you going to do your ******* job and page my adviser?
Bernie posters line the ******* halls
Hitler/Trump comparison we've all seen lining the same halls
Only person in my English class to disagree about complete legalization of all drugs
Bernie shirts being handed out, no library unless you take one
If I had a nickel for how many weed shirts I saw each day
"University and healthcare should be free" every single ******* day
Every Sanders supporter I see tends to either be a rich white kid who's parents pay for their college while simultaneously blaming the evil white man in college, or is a complete ******* waste of oxygen who wants everything for free and complains about not having money yet doesn't want to do their job and spends endlessly on the new phone or boots
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beardgasm (12/23/2015) [-] Personally the reason he will get my vote is because he is trying to make getting a 4 year degree free and make student debt easier to get out of. Before you say it's going to be funded by your tax dollars, it's funded by a tax on stock trades and other taxes that only effect the richest of the rich. The way I see it, the rich are benefitting from people with college degrees, yet they don't contribute to that cost. Besides, a better educated work force makes for a stronger nation, whether it costs more in taxes or not.
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anametoremember (12/23/2015) [-] Sounds great, no doubt. However, do you think that such a change could really happen in a matter of only 4 years? And if it did, it's a weak idea, in some respects. If only one of the factors in that plan failed, say, the education provided isn't of good quality, the students abuse their "freedom", or the rich evade the taxes or find a way to give less (not to mention that the "richest of the rich" is a small fraction of the population, is it possible for them to pay those taxes?) the whole thing gets shut down. It feels fragile.
I guess my main point is that not only there's a system to change, but also people that have been educated under said system. Even those that support Bernie's projects, may they become a reality, could find themselves in an uncomfortable place to which they are not accustomed to, and thus not really cooperate or grow uneasy in that environment.
I guess my main point is that not only there's a system to change, but also people that have been educated under said system. Even those that support Bernie's projects, may they become a reality, could find themselves in an uncomfortable place to which they are not accustomed to, and thus not really cooperate or grow uneasy in that environment.
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beardgasm (12/23/2015) [-] "they contribute to the cost by paying people with actual skills earned by hard work and discipline the money that comes from producing things people want."
Are you implying that you can actually get a good paying job just by having skills? I see job postings for clerical work paying $12 an hour that want 2 year degrees; it's ridiculous. That kind of wage doesn't pay for rent let alone student loan payments, yet the CEOs and executive boards of companies that use these kind of people make millions.
Are you implying that you can actually get a good paying job just by having skills? I see job postings for clerical work paying $12 an hour that want 2 year degrees; it's ridiculous. That kind of wage doesn't pay for rent let alone student loan payments, yet the CEOs and executive boards of companies that use these kind of people make millions.
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durkadurka (12/23/2015) [-] > Before you say it's going to be funded by your tax dollars, it's funded by a tax on stock trades and other taxes that only effect the richest of the rich
In the end, taxation ALWAYS affects the people. The costs get passed on to the people without fail. And in this way you'll affect the poorest and uneducated the most. They'll be forced to deal with higher costs of things without actually being qualified enough for the "free" college.
Who will benefit? The entitled middle-upper class kids who protest about microagressions will benefit.
And the end result will be us paying for every idiots' art history degree and their 4 year partying binge.
In the end, taxation ALWAYS affects the people. The costs get passed on to the people without fail. And in this way you'll affect the poorest and uneducated the most. They'll be forced to deal with higher costs of things without actually being qualified enough for the "free" college.
Who will benefit? The entitled middle-upper class kids who protest about microagressions will benefit.
And the end result will be us paying for every idiots' art history degree and their 4 year partying binge.
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asotil (12/23/2015) [-] I don't blame Sanders, I'm saying these are generally the people who support him
I still think he has no clue what he's talking about though. You can't tax the rich anymore because they already cheat the 70% they're supposed to pay, free college would completely ruin the value of a degree and the economy, same with the healthcare plan, and meanwhile he says he doesn't want to increase taxes on anyone but the rich. He's the Slums Hero: a man who rallies the poor who don't understand him so he can complete another agenda
I still think he has no clue what he's talking about though. You can't tax the rich anymore because they already cheat the 70% they're supposed to pay, free college would completely ruin the value of a degree and the economy, same with the healthcare plan, and meanwhile he says he doesn't want to increase taxes on anyone but the rich. He's the Slums Hero: a man who rallies the poor who don't understand him so he can complete another agenda
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beardgasm (12/23/2015) [-] "You can't tax the rich anymore because they already cheat the 70% they're supposed to pay"
Why can't you? You fix the flawed laws that let them cheat their taxes. It hasn't happened yet because candidates usually rely on donations from the rich.
"free college would completely ruin the value of a degree and the economy, same with the healthcare plan"
Not necessarily. There are countries like Germany that already offer free 4 year college and are doing just fine. It doesn't do anything to the value of a degree...college programs would still be just as hard to complete, so college graduates are still going to be just as qualified. Just because the tuition is free doesn't mean anyone can pass the classes and earn the degree. It still takes hard work.
Why can't you? You fix the flawed laws that let them cheat their taxes. It hasn't happened yet because candidates usually rely on donations from the rich.
"free college would completely ruin the value of a degree and the economy, same with the healthcare plan"
Not necessarily. There are countries like Germany that already offer free 4 year college and are doing just fine. It doesn't do anything to the value of a degree...college programs would still be just as hard to complete, so college graduates are still going to be just as qualified. Just because the tuition is free doesn't mean anyone can pass the classes and earn the degree. It still takes hard work.
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bronynexgen (12/23/2015) [-] Of course it is. There was a point where the top income tax bracket was 91%. That was in the 1950s under Republican president Dwight D. Eisenhower. And it was a period of enormous growth for a vast number of reasons. I don't agree with a 90% top tax rate, but it should be significantly higher than it is today.
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lotengo (12/23/2015) [-] Do you think that rich people are like Scrooge Mcduck, having safehouses filled with money laying around? Laying around, doing nothing, becoming slightly less worth due to inflation.
**** no, most of their wealth is in the form of equities or real estate. Taxing the **** out of them would mean that they would be forced to sell a big part of their assets.
And to who?
The poor? They cant afford anyting
The middle clas? No, they dont have the money for that either
The rich? They are being forced to sell.
You would flood the markets by forcing everybody to sell, company's would lose bilions and would be forced to downgrade, shrink and fire a lot of people.
ThanksObama Bernie
**** no, most of their wealth is in the form of equities or real estate. Taxing the **** out of them would mean that they would be forced to sell a big part of their assets.
And to who?
The poor? They cant afford anyting
The middle clas? No, they dont have the money for that either
The rich? They are being forced to sell.
You would flood the markets by forcing everybody to sell, company's would lose bilions and would be forced to downgrade, shrink and fire a lot of people.
Thanks
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durkadurka (12/23/2015) [-] >Why can't you?
Because of the laffer curve.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laffer_curve
There is a range of tax rates at which it is cheapest to simply pay those taxes. Lets just say for the sake of simplicity it's 0-50%.
Now above this range, it becomes cheaper to spend money to hide the rest of your money from income taxes than it is to simply pay the taxes. In our example this is 50-100%
So what this says is that after a certain point (50% in our example) increasing tax rates will actually decrease revenue since more and more people will start to hide their money rather than pay taxes .
So in this theoretical example it'd make the most sense to tax at 49-50% because this is the highest rate at which it is cheapest to just pay the taxes.
And I know it's tempting to say that we'll just close off any sort of means of hiding income, but that's a losing proposition. you're forced to go on the defensive against human nature. Money is on the line and so they will always find a way.
There is a point at which you will not actually benefit from increasing taxes on the rich. And also what this says is that we could potentially decrease the tax rate and actually increase tax revenue.
A lot of the assumptions made with high tax plans are incorrect for this reason. You cannot just assume that the revenue you'll generate at a 90% rate will be 90% of what the current rich income is. It'll end up being lower because a lot of that money will be diverted elsewhere.
How hard is it to get into a German college? I've heard that because they're free, standards keep them somewhat exclusive.
Because of the laffer curve.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laffer_curve
There is a range of tax rates at which it is cheapest to simply pay those taxes. Lets just say for the sake of simplicity it's 0-50%.
Now above this range, it becomes cheaper to spend money to hide the rest of your money from income taxes than it is to simply pay the taxes. In our example this is 50-100%
So what this says is that after a certain point (50% in our example) increasing tax rates will actually decrease revenue since more and more people will start to hide their money rather than pay taxes .
So in this theoretical example it'd make the most sense to tax at 49-50% because this is the highest rate at which it is cheapest to just pay the taxes.
And I know it's tempting to say that we'll just close off any sort of means of hiding income, but that's a losing proposition. you're forced to go on the defensive against human nature. Money is on the line and so they will always find a way.
There is a point at which you will not actually benefit from increasing taxes on the rich. And also what this says is that we could potentially decrease the tax rate and actually increase tax revenue.
A lot of the assumptions made with high tax plans are incorrect for this reason. You cannot just assume that the revenue you'll generate at a 90% rate will be 90% of what the current rich income is. It'll end up being lower because a lot of that money will be diverted elsewhere.
How hard is it to get into a German college? I've heard that because they're free, standards keep them somewhat exclusive.
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anametoremember (12/23/2015) [-] It's ok, I think it's better to show in what ways do some people today's days try to oppress freedom of thought and speech.
Even though I'm certain that you exaggerated a little in your comment, at least in some cited responses, I do believe you. I just wanted to know how often situations like this happen in your experience. Sounds like it really sucks to be there, man.
Even though I'm certain that you exaggerated a little in your comment, at least in some cited responses, I do believe you. I just wanted to know how often situations like this happen in your experience. Sounds like it really sucks to be there, man.
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severepwner (12/23/2015) [-] I don't suppose the Republican female candidate is an option for those brainless women then? She can't be worse than Clinton.
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scootabot (12/23/2015) [-] I'm not voting for Hillary.
I'd rather have a complete bumbling idiot in the White House than a malevolent cunt.
I'd rather have a complete bumbling idiot in the White House than a malevolent cunt.
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scootabot (12/23/2015) [-] The thing is, I'm not voting for anyone. I'm just saying, I'd rather have Trump in the White House, so that the American people can see just how much they ****** up. It's not Trump that I want in, but I do like his ideas against PC culture. That's the only reason why I'd want him in, he'd be impeached for all the racist **** he'll do, but he's the lesser of the two evils.
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fffffffuuuuuuuuuuu ONLINE (12/23/2015) [-] Come on guys, the miss Universe thing was totally a publicity stunt.
I mean, did you guys ever give a **** about Miss Universe before? And what about now? You see it everywhere, from Facebook to Funnyjunk. Smart move.
I mean, did you guys ever give a **** about Miss Universe before? And what about now? You see it everywhere, from Facebook to Funnyjunk. Smart move.
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twentyseconds ONLINE (12/23/2015) [-] so what did he do?
pic related, its my house, i live under it.
pic related, its my house, i live under it.
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fffffffuuuuuuuuuuu ONLINE (12/23/2015) [-] The man who's net worth is $100 million, the man who has been into the performance business since 1985. The man who's a performer accidently announced the wrong winner of the Miss Universe contest, an international contest which you probably have heard from... like 4 times in your life time. A lot of people are making money off this man and even because of that there is no way they would risk him making such a crucial mistake. Now what's a good way to become popular? Controversy.
He named the wrong winner of the contest and said sorry and stuff on stage. It was painful to watch. Now the media is all over it, Twitter is full of it, Facebook, YouTube EVERYTHING. But never IN ALL these years, has anyone ever given a **** about the Miss Universe contest, up until his slip up. Sure he's human, he also makes mistakes, but it just doesn't make any sense for him to do that other than to gain popularity.
He named the wrong winner of the contest and said sorry and stuff on stage. It was painful to watch. Now the media is all over it, Twitter is full of it, Facebook, YouTube EVERYTHING. But never IN ALL these years, has anyone ever given a **** about the Miss Universe contest, up until his slip up. Sure he's human, he also makes mistakes, but it just doesn't make any sense for him to do that other than to gain popularity.
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anon (12/23/2015) [-]
to be fair, noone really want to vote for her. sanders is the clear choice for the democratic nomination, just by popularity.
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Ruspanic (12/23/2015) [-] I think Sanders' popularity has been overstated. Lots of white college kids like him, but that's about it as far as I know. Despite his civil rights/racial justice record, he's had trouble getting ethnic minority support. He's also got the disadvantage of being an old white male (which lots of Democrats apparently care about), and the toxic "socialist" label makes people fearful that he can't win in the general election.
Hillary is pretty much the default Democratic candidate, even now. She may be unlikeable and untrustworthy, but she's a very mainstream candidate with lots of experience and a great deal of wealthy and powerful backers. Sanders is kinda like the Ron Paul of the Democrats, except a little more mainstream.
Hillary is pretty much the default Democratic candidate, even now. She may be unlikeable and untrustworthy, but she's a very mainstream candidate with lots of experience and a great deal of wealthy and powerful backers. Sanders is kinda like the Ron Paul of the Democrats, except a little more mainstream.
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Twithyiguess ONLINE (12/23/2015) [-] You really should look up videos if you think that's a lie, he's a bit of a religious nut. Not saying he's a terrible guy, but he's openly stated multiple times he doesn't want anything to do with people who aren't religious. He's actually even asked people to leave, because they aren't religious.
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rui (12/23/2015) [-] I think his point his, "if you don't believe in an afterlife where good people here receive good things there, then why do you do good things? What is your motivation?"
I think it's partually true while also wrong. I always thought people refused to do bad things, not because they knew they were bad, but because they were scared of hell. Vice-versa, people did good things, not because they want to help, but because they want the biggest reward ever. If you're an atheist and do good, I guess it means that it's a selfless act (not that religious people are incapable of that).
I think it's partually true while also wrong. I always thought people refused to do bad things, not because they knew they were bad, but because they were scared of hell. Vice-versa, people did good things, not because they want to help, but because they want the biggest reward ever. If you're an atheist and do good, I guess it means that it's a selfless act (not that religious people are incapable of that).
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superflyingcookie (12/23/2015) [-] I kind of get what he's saying, it's just that it isn't worded properly.
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Onemanretardpack (12/23/2015) [-] On not being a dick? I mean, I'm a christfag, but if you pulled your morality straight from the bible, you're a moron. He sounds like a damn sociopath
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tanitakavirius (12/23/2015) [-] Ahh yes, stoning, slavery, and all the other funny things. Yeah, the Bible truly belongs in the Iron Age.
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cheeseboyofdoom (12/23/2015) [-] Remember folks. Do not have an opinion different than the mainstream. Its wrong.
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Ruspanic (12/23/2015) [-] What a completely fair and thoughtful analysis.
/sarcasm
First of all, globally speaking his opinion is mainstream.
Secondly, he's not wrong because his opinion isn't mainstream, you idiot. He's just wrong on a factual and logical basis. He is making assumptions based on ignorance.
Just because you don't know what atheists base their morality on doesn't mean they base it on nothing. All you have to do to find out is talk to an atheist or two and ask them. Or better yet, just look at scientific studies or polls about atheists and their moral beliefs. This sort of information is out there and publically available.
There's also a whole discipline of philosophy called ethics which offers a wide range of justifications for morality that aren't limited to God.
/sarcasm
First of all, globally speaking his opinion is mainstream.
Secondly, he's not wrong because his opinion isn't mainstream, you idiot. He's just wrong on a factual and logical basis. He is making assumptions based on ignorance.
Just because you don't know what atheists base their morality on doesn't mean they base it on nothing. All you have to do to find out is talk to an atheist or two and ask them. Or better yet, just look at scientific studies or polls about atheists and their moral beliefs. This sort of information is out there and publically available.
There's also a whole discipline of philosophy called ethics which offers a wide range of justifications for morality that aren't limited to God.
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bendingtimeisgood ONLINE (12/23/2015) [-] I mean, that's pretty ignorant, but it seems like he's genuinely asking questions about something he doesn't understand, and I can respect him for that. The answer is "empathy"
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bendingtimeisgood ONLINE (12/23/2015) [-] Wow, I think that's the first quote I've ever seen where context makes it worse.
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sedativechunk (12/23/2015) [-]
Thank you for sharing all of this information. I always like Steve Harvey but after this, what an ignorant, uneducated, and stupid thing to say about atheist and non-believers in general (agnostic here). Those clips of him just make my blood boil. How can someone like that still be allowed on television? I've never heard him say this before, how disgusting.
I think the real "stupid" and troubled person is Steve Harvey himself if he needs religion and false entities to tell him what is right and wrong. That makes him no different than islamic terrorists, does it not? I will not be watching any of his television programs starting immediately.
He can take his "moral barometer" and shove it up his overweight, black ass.
I think the real "stupid" and troubled person is Steve Harvey himself if he needs religion and false entities to tell him what is right and wrong. That makes him no different than islamic terrorists, does it not? I will not be watching any of his television programs starting immediately.
He can take his "moral barometer" and shove it up his overweight, black ass.
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idhitjack ONLINE (12/23/2015) [-] If you th8nk about it people who are raised to believe in god and santa and all these other fairy tales it is hard to wrap you head around the idea of being unbridald and moral because whats the punishment if you're not. I agree it is a juvinal mindset but the justice systems of the world from Hamurabis code to the US constitution all have punishments for violation. It is not enough to just say its wrong. Particularly when we are still young. (23 is still young).
I don't think he is ignorant for this thought but it does say a lot about what he thinks about people in general.
He is still a good man who does good things, don't hate for his lack of understanding.
I don't think he is ignorant for this thought but it does say a lot about what he thinks about people in general.
He is still a good man who does good things, don't hate for his lack of understanding.
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unbelievable (12/23/2015) [-] Our entire society is based on fear. If we were genetically predisposed to adhere to morality, if we had morality in our DNA, we wouldn't need a justice system in our society.
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haroldsaxon (12/23/2015) [-] There's more than empathy going into it. You can base it solely on logic as well, for instance.
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numbmind (12/23/2015) [-] Cause she is a evil bitch who has been involved in the suspicious death of many people she knew personally, don't believe me google it. I don't know about you but i haven't known 50+ people who died in very mysterious ways...
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nanako (12/23/2015) [-] www.freewebs.com/jeffhead/liberty/liberty/bdycount.txt
No he means actual suspicious deaths of very real people who existed.
most of them either posed a threat to the clintons in some way, or had some confidential info.
www.truthorfiction.com/clintonfriends/
whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/BODIES.php#axzz3v6l9GE4e
proof of direct involvement is, as always, not coming up. because she'd be in prison if there were. All we have are an awful lot of correlations, but far more than would be enough to make someone worthy of investigation
No he means actual suspicious deaths of very real people who existed.
most of them either posed a threat to the clintons in some way, or had some confidential info.
www.truthorfiction.com/clintonfriends/
whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/BODIES.php#axzz3v6l9GE4e
proof of direct involvement is, as always, not coming up. because she'd be in prison if there were. All we have are an awful lot of correlations, but far more than would be enough to make someone worthy of investigation
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ericr (12/23/2015) [-] I've seen those lists but I've never seen them mention the two boys that were slaughtered in Mena Arkansas while Bill was governor. The CIA was bringing in cocaine and shipping out weapons and the Clintons were certainly aware of it. The boys got too close to the operation and were killed. They were placed on train tracks and supposedly fell asleep on them from doing too much weed. It's a huge and involved story and Hillary gets to be insulated from it like always.
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failtolawl (12/23/2015) [-] benghazi scandel has been beaten to death by republican lead investigation groups that have found NOTHING.
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renespar ONLINE (12/23/2015) [-] no but shut up she is literally satan, just like obama was literally the antichrist, that's why the economy is back on track no matter how much baby boomers deny it and act like economically, we're worse off than when George "I'm such a **** up I can't even say NUCLEAR right" Bush was president
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sanitarysan (12/23/2015) [-] deny till you die is the way to go,
still she is the worst candidate by far...
still she is the worst candidate by far...
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subtard (12/23/2015) [-] This is the single most retarded comparison I have ever seen on the internet.
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buddywuggle (12/22/2015) [-] Why is he getting down votes? This probably isn't too far from the truth.
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lathyrusvii (12/22/2015) [-] It's about ethics in gaming journali- wait...
It's about ethics in people of prestige.
It's about ethics in people of prestige.
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aizeinstein (12/22/2015) [-] **aizeinstein used "*roll picture*"**
**aizeinstein rolled image** It's always been about memes, Leeroy!
**aizeinstein rolled image** It's always been about memes, Leeroy!
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lathyrusvii (12/22/2015) [-] Don't **** with me, Jenkins. This is srs bzns to be decided by us, 'The People.'
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herecomesjohnny (12/23/2015) [-] wait, what did you-can't-say-that-on-television-y'all-need-jesus man do?
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deathbatdude (12/23/2015) [-] Fun fact Steve Harvey doesn't believe atheists have a "moral barometer"
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Ruspanic (12/23/2015) [-] It's not even slightly true.
The idea that atheists fear nothing, or that there's nothing stopping them from being mass murderers, is completely baseless. Religion is not the only possible source of morality. In fact I'd argue it's not even the main source, since if most religious people became atheists they'd still probably be decent and reasonably moral people. Because regardless of religion everyone still learns morality from their parents, schools and cultures, and because people still have consciences and empathy for others.
The idea that atheists fear nothing, or that there's nothing stopping them from being mass murderers, is completely baseless. Religion is not the only possible source of morality. In fact I'd argue it's not even the main source, since if most religious people became atheists they'd still probably be decent and reasonably moral people. Because regardless of religion everyone still learns morality from their parents, schools and cultures, and because people still have consciences and empathy for others.
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thecrayzeeman (12/23/2015) [-] Breaking news: jails and death sentences no longer exist.
Also, there is this thing called being a human being.
Also, there is this thing called being a human being.
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bjornkrage (12/23/2015) [-] I feel that, to some degree, most people just vote for Hillary because they think she's less ******* insane than Trump. Around 80% of people know that there's no optimal choice this time and just have to choose the lesser of two evils, whether they believe that is Trump or Hillary.
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sudminator ONLINE (12/23/2015) [-] Yeah lets vote for a psycho traitor, feminist cunt, who should by all means be in jail, because she DOESN'T speak her mind.....
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thelastamerican (12/23/2015) [-] It honestly worries me that voting has become about choosing between the lesser of two evils. There hasn't been a real choice between right and wrong or even right and stupid for way too long.
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thebellboy (12/23/2015) [-] Who is voting for Hillary again? More people are moving to the Feel the Bern Side.
I know that im goingl to get nuked for this but I don't think any of the Republican candidates have any match against Hillary or Bernie. When you have Donald Trump as your front-runner you aren't going to get very far. Like Hillary said Trump is the best recruiter ISIS could have asked for. Ben Carson has lied his entire life, yes, he was an amazing surgeon, but how far is it going to get him?
Jeb Bush is a Bush, 'nough said. I feel that at the moment we can see a clear victory for the Democratic party. Did anybody watch the GOPdebate? They acted like a bunch of toddlers, Impatient and rude. Is that the type of person we want in the white house? I know I don't.
I know that im goingl to get nuked for this but I don't think any of the Republican candidates have any match against Hillary or Bernie. When you have Donald Trump as your front-runner you aren't going to get very far. Like Hillary said Trump is the best recruiter ISIS could have asked for. Ben Carson has lied his entire life, yes, he was an amazing surgeon, but how far is it going to get him?
Jeb Bush is a Bush, 'nough said. I feel that at the moment we can see a clear victory for the Democratic party. Did anybody watch the GOPdebate? They acted like a bunch of toddlers, Impatient and rude. Is that the type of person we want in the white house? I know I don't.
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theugandanhero (12/23/2015) [-] Well they way I see it, they probably figured they were in the clear so as long as they had their say.
Hillary of course was attacking Bernie almost the entire time, and he was afraid to go on the offensive because of the whole DNC thing (which, by the way, wasn't even his fault).
Every time Bernie was speaking for over three minutes, the moderators would cut him off and let either OM or Clinton speak. And of course Hillary could speak for however long she wanted pretty much without any resistance
Hillary of course was attacking Bernie almost the entire time, and he was afraid to go on the offensive because of the whole DNC thing (which, by the way, wasn't even his fault).
Every time Bernie was speaking for over three minutes, the moderators would cut him off and let either OM or Clinton speak. And of course Hillary could speak for however long she wanted pretty much without any resistance
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newall (12/23/2015) [-]
Steve harvey also thinks that anyone who doesn't follow Christianity has "no moral compass" and is "an idiot"
Don't get me wrong, i think Hillary would be the worst thing ever, right after Trump, but Harvey is a massive ******* cock womble.
Don't get me wrong, i think Hillary would be the worst thing ever, right after Trump, but Harvey is a massive ******* cock womble.
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heartlessrobot (12/23/2015) [-] Yeah but at least he's a funny cock womble, and isn't running for president.
Right now, we've got a bunch of douche canoes running.
Right now, we've got a bunch of douche canoes running.
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captainprincess (12/23/2015) [-] says who
Ive not heard ANYONE who wants to vote for hillary
and least of all none of the people whove noticed her dishonesty
who is this mystical demographic youre talking about
the fairies?
Ive not heard ANYONE who wants to vote for hillary
and least of all none of the people whove noticed her dishonesty
who is this mystical demographic youre talking about
the fairies?
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sketchE (12/23/2015) [-] yeah shes +25 on sanders on average
www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/2016_democratic_presidential_nomination-3824.html
im kinda scared. like trump doeasnt scare me hes stayed constant while people move behind him. shes constantly been ahead and only getting further
www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/2016_democratic_presidential_nomination-3824.html
im kinda scared. like trump doeasnt scare me hes stayed constant while people move behind him. shes constantly been ahead and only getting further
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captainprincess (12/23/2015) [-] best I can think is keep your head down, and try to get on with life while the next several years blow over
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sketchE (12/23/2015) [-] i mean someone other than the big two. they usually start getting minor coverage closer to the actual election. right now my guess would be clinton against trump or cruz. last election i voted for gary johnson the libertarian. last i checked there were over a hundred candidates. both parties only focus on those with a full percent of votes or more while there are at least ten behind them.
ballotpedia.org/Presidential_candidates,_2016#Full_list_of_declared_candidates
my bad over 1000. so far only the green party has named a candidate most likely the libertarian party will announce something
ballotpedia.org/Presidential_candidates,_2016#Full_list_of_declared_candidates
my bad over 1000. so far only the green party has named a candidate most likely the libertarian party will announce something
