Let me send thsi to the government. . When Students cheat on exams it' s because our School System values grades more than Students value learning. M MIT atr II
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Let me send thsi to the government

When Students cheat on exams it' s
because our School System values
grades more than Students value
learning.
M MIT atr III
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#308 - gamingben (10/18/2013) [-]
mrw i get to the comments
mrw i get to the comments
#297 - anonymous (10/16/2013) [-]
"The master said lead them by political maneuvers, restrain them with punishments: the people will become cunning and shameless. Lead them by virtue and restrain them with ritual: they will develop a sense of shame and a sense of participation."

I'm not sure exactly how to implement this, but it is the answer.
#287 - baitdoesnttalkback (10/16/2013) [-]
or its because kids spend too much time on facebook tending farms
#286 - sonofposeidon (10/16/2013) [-]
>In English class, writing essays   
>Teacher says to follow specific Concrete detail/Commentary formula of:   
CD CD CD CM CM for each paragraph   
>Start writing, weaving in personal narrative with overarching theme of what it is to lose innocence (The topic was, "What does it truly mean to grow up?")   
>Hand it in, realize I didn't follow CD/CM format for two of three paragraphs   
>Figure what the hell, that essay was dope   
>Next week teach hands it back to me as a zero   
>Ask her why, the bitch says because I didn't follow the formula   
>"You said you wanted this essay to be creative?"   
>"Well, you need to learn to be creative within the format."   
   
						****					 her for being a 						******					 teacher or me for being an irresponsible student. Either way, I still say it was 						********					.   
mfw she didn't let me correct it and I had a quiz grade of 0
>In English class, writing essays
>Teacher says to follow specific Concrete detail/Commentary formula of:
CD CD CD CM CM for each paragraph
>Start writing, weaving in personal narrative with overarching theme of what it is to lose innocence (The topic was, "What does it truly mean to grow up?")
>Hand it in, realize I didn't follow CD/CM format for two of three paragraphs
>Figure what the hell, that essay was dope
>Next week teach hands it back to me as a zero
>Ask her why, the bitch says because I didn't follow the formula
>"You said you wanted this essay to be creative?"
>"Well, you need to learn to be creative within the format."

**** her for being a ****** teacher or me for being an irresponsible student. Either way, I still say it was ******** .
mfw she didn't let me correct it and I had a quiz grade of 0
#288 to #286 - baitdoesnttalkback (10/16/2013) [-]
teachers who dont just reduce the paper by a letter grade for not following format are dumb. That is not a zero
#279 - firebomber (10/16/2013) [-]
Maybe true, but that doesn't change the fact if there is a stupid kid who wants to cheat, he'll cheat. Saying it's the school system's fault is a huge "cop out".
#281 to #275 - sorakirin (10/16/2013) [-]
I am making this my new Science response
User avatar #271 - fuckthehabs (10/16/2013) [-]
Which is why there's an upswing in Project Based Learning. I gave a standard test once, I hated every second of it
#264 - welcometoatl (10/16/2013) [-]
Honestly, that **** might have been acceptable in high school. But in college, I often find myself studying information over and over so that I can try to actually learn it and be able to articulate it. For example, In my Philosophy class, I stayed up nights trying to read about existentialism, Stoicism, Quine's Web of Belief, Albert Camus, etc. Because It wasn't enough to just remember definitions, I wanted to understand the concepts. One night I believe that I actually managed to crack the surface of understanding philosophical concepts.. but it could have been the lack of sleep.

Too bad that it has been 2 years since my last philosophy class and I can't really remember concepts in depth.
#267 to #264 - articulate ONLINE (10/16/2013) [-]
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User avatar #254 - tomahawkit **User deleted account** (10/16/2013) [-]
I still think schooling after 8th grade should be optional
User avatar #290 to #254 - chiefrunnyjeans (10/16/2013) [-]
Are you 14?
User avatar #291 to #290 - tomahawkit **User deleted account** (10/16/2013) [-]
no
User avatar #292 to #291 - chiefrunnyjeans (10/16/2013) [-]
Well, lay off the Bud. You're drunk typing again.
User avatar #293 to #292 - tomahawkit **User deleted account** (10/16/2013) [-]
haven't drank in my life, its possible to have unpopular opinions and be sober at the same time.
User avatar #277 to #254 - iamwilldabeast (10/16/2013) [-]
If you want to live in a country of half-wits.
User avatar #280 to #277 - tomahawkit **User deleted account** (10/16/2013) [-]
>implying I don't already
User avatar #273 to #254 - Sethorein ONLINE (10/16/2013) [-]
That's a bit much... at 14 you're still pretty juvenile and you're smack in the middle of a sensitive period for mental plasticity. It'd be a waste not to utilize that time and to just shove people into the work force.

I'd have high school teach more practical skills like doing your taxes and more emphasis on civics courses though. Not everyone is going to need higher order math but everyone needs to know their basic rights and how to pay their taxes....
#250 - djhuehue (10/16/2013) [-]
Cheating taught me how to creatively exploit the weak points of a system in order to receive optimal results.
and this is how I live guilt-free *************
User avatar #274 to #250 - Sethorein ONLINE (10/16/2013) [-]
cheating taught you how to cheat instead of understand. As you move further in life I like to imagine that you'll feel a bit hollow knowing your success came not from hard work but ill means...
#300 to #274 - djhuehue (10/16/2013) [-]
Sorry Professor Serious won't happen again, I promise. Seriously though, cheating teaches you how to apply imagination to a difficult situation. Maybe it wasn't the right thing to do but I wasn't very ambitious in high school. Now that I'm in college I take my studies much more seriously but I did learn from cheating.
User avatar #301 to #300 - Sethorein ONLINE (10/16/2013) [-]
studies on cheating find a positive correlation between creativity and cheating behaviour...
#302 to #301 - djhuehue (10/16/2013) [-]
Oh come on don't be so negative...
User avatar #303 to #302 - Sethorein ONLINE (10/16/2013) [-]
well they do... I made a research proposal on the relationship between responsibility and likelihood to cheat...
#304 to #303 - djhuehue (10/16/2013) [-]
Oh I thought you were being sarcastic. Link? I haven't cheated on any school assignment in years, I work full-time and take 6 classes per semester, I'm on the dean's list in both majors. I think that I'm a very responsible person and cheated all through middle school/high school. What would your research question be exactly?
User avatar #305 to #304 - Sethorein ONLINE (10/16/2013) [-]
it was pretty basic. We were just looking at the effect of increased responsibility and potential for compassion on cheating behaviour. We made a prediction that it would increase as responsibility increases. Basic stuff, but you need to start somewhere.

it's a word document and powerpoint... can't really link it.
User avatar #219 - djequalizee (10/16/2013) [-]
rant below
American high schools are set up in a kind of way that caters to people who aren't as smart, and doesn't let people specialize in what they are good at. You need a certain amount of credits for every class. Now, hear me out here, but i think the kid should get more a choice on what he wants to do. If he's in 11th grade and doesn't think he's going to be a biologist he should be able to take an extra class dealing what he is good with instead of taking a class that he is terrible at and will never use. Kids (at least ones that show that they are responsible enough) should get more freedom with school and be allowed more flexible schedules. I have been on both ends of grades. I went my freshman year getting absolute **** grades because of some personal stuff i was going through, then the next year i got all A's and B's. But I honestly didn't feel like i accomplished anything. Grades are a really terrible way to judge how intelligent a student does, the only thing grades really measure is how well a kid can do a task that the teacher has set out for them. Yes, that also means that the kid is motivated and all that **** . But a kid could grow up getting good grades and still have no idea what he is doing with his life after highschool.

TL;DR School is hellagay and needs to be switched up a bit
#272 to #219 - heroicvenom (10/16/2013) [-]
its like you are watching me
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User avatar #235 to #219 - sketchE (10/16/2013) [-]
the only problem i have with that is that people dont know what they want to do when they get out of highschool. i mean most people think they do then they spend a year learning about or training in that field and learn thats not what they really want to do.

me for example. i took two years in criminal jusice because i thought id like to do that. it took one police ride along to make me realize i dont think id enjoy it that much. i thought id like to e an army officer. after the first FTX i realized i dont want to be combat arms so i switched to something else. get my commission and realize its not for me.

what i think most people should do after highschool is take a year or so to figure out what they want to do. go to college undeclared maybe and try a bunch of different things. no one wants to spend 4 or more years and thousands of dollars to get a job then realize they dont like it and now theyre kind of stuck
User avatar #237 to #235 - djequalizee (10/16/2013) [-]
Yeah, i do realize that this would be a problem. But if you don't know what you want to do you could still go with the suggested curriculum. I guess a good example would be why would you get a fine arts credit if you hate art? Idonno i personally wish i could take a physics class instead of a biology class. They should have at least have an option for something like that

User avatar #241 to #237 - sketchE (10/16/2013) [-]
in my school we only had to take a certain number of science credits not specific ones. college was a bit different requireing specific ones though. i do agree with the fine arts portion though. i believe the purpose is to create a more well rounded person but i dont see it doing that much
User avatar #246 to #241 - djequalizee (10/16/2013) [-]
Yeah. I understand that schools want us to be more well rounded so we can do more things when we're older. But i think that if you excel at something your classes should revolve around it. Chances are that if you excel at it you will like it as well. Lel i'm starting to sound like i want some sort of utopia or some ****
User avatar #252 to #246 - sketchE (10/16/2013) [-]
i dunno. i excel at biology but i have no intention of ever being a biologist. im good with history but i wouldnt want to be a history teacher. im good at math but i dont want anything to do with it because its so boring
User avatar #257 to #252 - djequalizee (10/16/2013) [-]
WELL THEN YOU'RE ALREADY WELL ROUNDED AND CAN DO ANYTHING. Nah but seriously, i can see your side of this as well. I just think curriculum should focus more on individual students instead of students as a whole.
#213 - vortix (10/16/2013) [-]
why you do this to me op?
you reminded me that I just came back from a math exam.
User avatar #251 to #213 - Dwarf (10/16/2013) [-]
If you forgot that quickly, maybe class isn't for you.
User avatar #259 to #251 - vortix (10/16/2013) [-]
I didn't forget like totally forget .
I just made my self forget because im so annoyed feel uneasy about the result.
#262 to #259 - Dwarf (10/16/2013) [-]
**Dwarf rolled a random image posted in comment #37 at Learn to fly Carl ** I knew what you meant.
#211 - anonymous (10/16/2013) [-]
I don't get why cheating on work is bad. If you work in an office, you make a collaborative effort to get the best result.
#205 - Desdenne (10/16/2013) [-]
Uh no When students cheat on exams its cause they didnt want to study for the exam. If a student cheated on a exam and the school didnt care or the exam was really easy then yes they school cares about grades and schools with students who do better get more money.
User avatar #238 to #205 - sketchE (10/16/2013) [-]
you hear about the schools where teachers were taking the tests for their students to get more money? most high schools in the US dont focus on teaching sadly. athletes and students the teachers like get a free ride because they dont want to mess up their future.

i dont study ever but because im interested and want to learn about certain subjects it sticks in my head better
#199 - anonymous (10/16/2013) [-]
grades > your values
Without grades, you'll be nowhere. Just complete your homework, and maybe you'll be successful. Lol no jk, you're too stupid to breath, you should consider yourself nothing.
User avatar #247 to #199 - sketchE (10/16/2013) [-]
in highschool your grades are based on effort not your intelligence. i could get all As if they only gave me tests but when im required to do 12 worksheets that arent graded on how well i did them only on my ability to complete it there in lies the problem
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User avatar #222 to #198 - MysticTomatoe (10/16/2013) [-]
Welcome to the road of hating everyone around you. Fear not, my friend, for when everyone seems confused you will be there to not help them and be proud of your knowledge
User avatar #212 to #198 - fgtometer (10/16/2013) [-]
You're probably going to be one of the only people in university who knows what's going on, and wonder why so many around you are still clueless. Good luck, it's a journey
User avatar #196 - armoredfish (10/16/2013) [-]
I cheated on my high school's entrance exam and got placed in all honors classes freshman year.

I failed 2 of them and had to go to summer school.
User avatar #221 to #196 - biggrand (10/16/2013) [-]
I was suppose to be in a lower math for college this year, but i barely got into the highest entry level because I got the minimum on the act test. Now I've failed it once and I'm retaking it now, and not doing to much better
User avatar #194 - weenieandthebutt (10/16/2013) [-]
Well they assign coursework and projects as well as exams so students are tested on a numerous amount of challenges. Unless if you can think of a better method to measure the academic merits of students, then go ahead. Other than that, I have no problems with exams.
User avatar #193 - jafkdb (10/16/2013) [-]
As a teacher, I can say that most times it's because most students these days are lazy and don't try. It doesn't matter how I try to present the information, whether its in a Powerpoint, an activity, a video, a discussion, it doesn't matter if I spoon feed it to them, they don't care.
User avatar #197 to #193 - weenieandthebutt (10/16/2013) [-]
I reckon chalk and talk is much more effective than powerpoint presentations. Powerpoint presentations tend to be quite dull where it's difficult to absorb the information. What do you teach by the way? If it's like politics are PSHE or something humanity based (except History), they're not going to give two flying ***** about it.
User avatar #200 to #197 - jafkdb (10/16/2013) [-]
I'm a history teacher, and like I've said it really doesn't matter what I've tried, only 3 -6 of the near 30 in the class bother to pay attention and try to learn something.
User avatar #202 to #200 - weenieandthebutt (10/16/2013) [-]
Myself, I have a masters in physics, I'd been prompted by my dad to go into teaching (even have a few mates who got their PGCE done) but the thought about reminiscing all the **** times I've had at highschool kinda depresses me. Plus, I'd not be able to stand all these god damn disruptive ****** kids. May I ask, how do you deal with them?
Either way, at least you're still getting paid for you job.
User avatar #204 to #202 - jafkdb (10/16/2013) [-]
I look at it as I'm there for the ones who want to learn. I still try to involve the whole class, and once in a blue moon, you do manage to snag a different students attention.
User avatar #189 - rplix (10/16/2013) [-]
Still in the student's best interest to actually learn.

You may be able to get a degree by cheating your way though school, but once you actually get into the workplace, you will have no idea where to start.

That's my two cents for the day.
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