You'd like Episode 7 then.

I do. Saw it the Saturday that it came out.

Sounds like you never watched episode 4. The **** was that Obi-Wan / Vader fight?

seriously ? I hated the fight between vader and obi in episode 4, they were just slapping their sword together and it all felt really inti-climatic to me.

Some people have different tastes in fight choreography and there is a difference between "This choreography is good." and "What am I watching, Circe Du Soleil?!"

That is objectively the worst choreographed fight scene in the series, but it is arguably still one of the best because every line spoken in it is meaningful. "When last we met I was but the learner, now I am the master." "Only a master of evil, Darth." "If you strike me do-" you get the idea.

A fight is more than just spinny glowsticks. It is about the emotion going on in the scene and a lot of the prequel fights have about as much emotion in them as the sterile, CGI backdrops lazily plastered on in the after-effects.

So to you, bennybroseph, cisdroidcommander, and busfullofllamas, I think we can all agree that whilst the Vader vs Obi Wan duel is really fukken clumsy, the Darth Maul duel ain't much better:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0mUVY9fLlw

Not really. If this is one of the best because of the relationship between Obi Wan and Vader, does that mean that Dooku vs Yoda also is one of the best duels? I mean, the battle itself isnt great but the way they talk as a fallen student versus his old master also have some good exchange between them and gives us a clear picture of their previous relationship.

Im also not a fan of your linked video, ive seen it several times and i disagree. Ofcourse if you pause the fight every second of it you might notice some of the less subtle choreography, but if you watch it without nitpicking it to death by pausing you will barely see it.

Also,i like each duel in the saga. Cause while the duel in episode 4 certainly has aged i still like it.

I also feel that the duel of fates in episode 1 is emotional. Qui Gon was a good character and his death was emotional to me. All around a fantastic duel.

See, my point in commen >>#51 was just to point out that both 4 and 6 have some spins and jumps, not that they were bad duels. I personally have Luke vs Vader in episode 6 as my favourite duel.

*sigh* I'm probably gonna upset you so gird your loins if you're gonna read on here:

The reason the Dooku/Yoda exchange is different is partially because the dialogue really isn't as good, partially because the setting is less powerful, partly because Yoda goes through the whole fight with a cocky grin on his face and a level of confidence demonstrating that he isn't taking this as seriously as Obi Wan took the fight in the Death Star, partly because the choreography is utterly daft, but mostly because Yoda in this context is largely unimportant.

If Yoda died there then it'd be sad, yeah, but that'd only be because he's Yoda, not because he has done anything of real interest or note in the film up until that point. When Ben fought he was clearly out-matched, surrounded by enemy troops, and to top it all off his death means there is nobody left (at that point at least) to guide Luke in the ways of the force.

We had also seen him all throughout the film being this wise mentor figure who was out in the world with answers to everything, clearly learned through years of experience, and whose teachings are specifically important to Luke. However, Yoda doesn't have any of that. It is certainly implied that he is a very wise figure of importance but he really doesn't demonstrate anything beyond "I'm the leader of the Jedi" in that film.

Both fights are between a master and a pupil but there's not many ways the two could be more different.

And yeah, the linked vid is taking some pretty cheap shots, but it makes a bunch of good points like the spinning which has never made sense regardless of what film it is in, and how it's clear the fight is all about whacking glowsticks together instead of a life or death struggle, and it points out some of the really ****** choreography that probably looked like a good idea at the time, and how the choreography undermines the point of the scene due to how characters actively avoid hitting one-another a lot of the time.

I can't say I like all of the duels. I love moments in most of the duels, but there aren't many that I like the whole way through. I love how ******* menacing Greivous looks when he's spinning his sabers around and walking towards Obi Wan but then there's the chase in the wheel thingy and with the giant iguana that just feels to me to be super self-indulgeng, and then BOOM! Shoots the ****** in the heart! I can't stand that sort of silly faff, but those moments when Greivous is truly intimidating, and holy crap what a way to kill him... bellissima.

I extend this beyond the movies btw. I feel the same way about the Video Games and the Clone Wars cartoons. The Jedi Knight games have some fantastic fight scenes, even if they're really poorly choreographed due to gameplay restrictions. Even if it's a kinda clumsy game style the fights you get into are damn cool and super tense to the point where anyone with a Lightsaber that shows up in front of you is a genuine threat that is probably gonna kill you at least once on the higher difficulties (though again, partly due to the clunky controls.)

And to the Clone Wars series too, both the 2D and the CG ones. The introduction of Grievous in Gandy Tartakovsky's animation style is ******* beautiful, and every fight in that series is utter bliss, not because they're flashy and over the top, but because they cut out all of the unnecessary faff and focus on what is most important. And that scene with Anakin and Ventress in the rain... oh my god...

youtu.be/3VB_vjVxcic?t=3m2s

As for Qui Gon? This is where it gets upsetting because he's really not a good character. He makes a load of terrible decisions, he shows no emotion throughout the film, we know nothing about him. He is really one-dimentional and whilst that has some merit for world-building and imagination (Hello Boba Fett) it's not good for one of the leading characters in the film.

I would just like to say good job. You did a good job of backing up your points, sadly because it new years eve i dont have time to respond just now, but i will be back to share my thoughts. Bye for now. I will reply tomorrow when i have time.

Aight. You do you.

Sorry, i really dont feel like writing a long comment and partake in a big discussion. I will say that while i disagree at points in your texts your reply was well written and i respect your opinion.

And yes, Asajj vs Anakin in the rain is a great lightsaber duel.

Well, I'll not press the point. Just watched Mad Max: Fury Road again so I'm running on empty too. Happy new year, mate.

Thats a good movie, i hope you also have a happy new year.

That's a very good point. I like that comment. Good work man

Obi Wan spins in episode 4 for no reason, Luke jumps around in episode 6. Lightsaber arent supposed to feel "real".

I'm aware. And while I still think the same things then, too, the spins and jumps are a lot less frivolous in the originals, mostly because of the limitations of film making at the time. And I did say in my comment that I know they're not supposed to feel 'real', I'm just stating the my opinion is of the nature that they _ should_ be more realistic, is all.

And i respect your opinion,even if i disagree.