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#12 - ihateallofyoualot**User deleted account**

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(11/01/2013)[-]

Why would someone say vaccines are bad? When have they ever done anything negative to make the assumption in the first place?

#13 to #12 - PrincessTwilight

Reply+249

(11/01/2013)[-]

A doctor once did a study on how vaccines cause autism.

Turns out his study was completely made up and the people involved admitted it was all lies.

To this day people still believe vaccines cause autism.

#14 to #13 - ihateallofyoualot**User deleted account**

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(11/01/2013)[-]

Didn't he cause thousands of children to die and wasn't his medical license revoked?

MFW

#76 to #14 - vanquishah

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(11/01/2013)[-]

#15 to #14 - PrincessTwilight

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(11/01/2013)[-]

He may have indirectly caused thousands of children to not get vaccines.

His license was definitely revoked though.

#345 to #14 - vos

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(11/02/2013)[-]

Andrew Wakefield is banned from practicing in the UK, but still practices in the US. He maintains his innocence and still argues against vaccines.

#390 to #14 - anon id: f5702032

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(11/02/2013)[-]

This probably won't be seen by the majority of FJ users, but it needs to be said, as a lot of people commenting (and reading) are missing the point completely.

Andrew Wakefield, the doctor that performed the study, had produced a patented vaccine of his own which he was struggling to sell, so he conducted "studies" to show his rival's vaccines caused autism, in the hope that they would lose their foothold in the market. If his rival's vaccine was bad and ultimately lose value, he would end up making a financial gain.

#354 to #13 - dwarfman

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(11/02/2013)[-]

To answer some of the questions folks are having:

news.discovery.com/human/health/vaccine-autism-doctor-accused-of-deliberate-fraud.htm

www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLcOz4EKrxg

He was arrested for fraud. Lost his license. He did it as part of a conspiracy with a lawyer who was suing based on his research.

TLDR: He's a lying sack of ****, if you believe him you're a dumb sack of ****, I went so far as to provide sources.

#433 to #13 - empithree

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(11/02/2013)[-]

actually it's partly true. it causes autism only to people with autism.

#335 to #13 - IamSofaKingdom

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(11/02/2013)[-]

I dunno about Autism but several vaccines do have a chance to cause some damages but I would weigh the diseases they prevent much heavier than the small problems that may occur or the low chances that something serious could come about.

#370 to #335 - dwarfman

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(11/02/2013)[-]

You have a higher chance of winning the lottery.

#372 to #370 - IamSofaKingdom

Reply0

(11/02/2013)[-]

I don't see why your comment was necessary. I just said that it does have a chance of negative side effects but the positive effects far outweigh the slim possibility of negative ones. You just repeated what I said and thumbed me down for it.

#375 to #372 - dwarfman

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(11/02/2013)[-]

I am what you call a combative drunk. Forgive me. Don't judge it's Friday and I just got home not long ago. I think.

#312 to #13 - tugaii

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(11/02/2013)[-]

"doctor" sure

#69 to #13 - jimthesquirrelking

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(11/01/2013)[-]

also worth pointing out that he was a lazy **** and only "studied" 5 damn kids in his "research"

#368 to #13 - threeeighteen

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(11/02/2013)[-]

I think early symptoms of Autism is around the same time the kids get their fix.

#92 to #13 - anon id: 69a3b662

Reply0

(11/01/2013)[-]

Even better, I think that he was found to have patents for another vaccine (which would of course be seen as the "safe" alternative and make huge amounts of money)

He tried to use his position as a reputable doctor to slander other's hard work and make bank off of it, so they took his medical license. And people STILL BELIEVE HIM.

#84 to #13 - anon id: 7596f8b6

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(11/01/2013)[-]

Those people don't even know what autism is.
In each individual is there a different distribution of brain cells.
Some areas get more, some get less. That is normal.
Autism is when there are higher concentrations of braincells in some areas compared to what is normal, at the cost of less brain cells in other areas.
This creates people who can be really really good at for example math/music/language/programming/drawing, but who are average or below at other areas and have difficulties with learning certain things (like socialization.)

Think of it like stats in a game, focusing most on one or two stats while plus a little here and there can be better than to spend your points evenly.
Poinst spent on usefull stats result in high-functioning atuists (Normally but very smart))
(Whilst points spent on worthless stats result in people who have difficulties with almost everything. Spending points more evenly is what "normal" people's brains do, the more even, the more average a person is)

#397 to #84 - deadinferno

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(11/02/2013)[-]

So most of my characters in games are autistic?... oh god...

#279 to #84 - anon id: b2ec99be

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(11/02/2013)[-]

Autists are natural born min-maxers.

#347 to #13 - redrepeater

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(11/02/2013)[-]

Wrong. The reason I hate vaccines personally is because it made me develop an allergy for anything with aluminum in it. What uses aluminum you say? Mostly things you put on your body like d-sticks or hairsprays.

I always investigate before I take a vaccine. If the virus is not an instant killer then usually eating healthy and training is just fine. Taking a vaccine does not cause autism, but each time you do take a vaccine there is a slight chance of getting some kind of side effect. Just like any type of medicine have.

#426 to #347 - anon id: 3425c4e8

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(11/02/2013)[-]

Oh, that's cute. Training and eating healthy will not save you from the extreme discomfort measels, mumps, pertussis, polio, tetanus, hepatitis B or influenzae. Or if your mother had Rubella while carrying you.

If you ever had the flu you would know to get the vaccine, polio, tetanus and hep B is kind of a no brainer. Measels, well, if you like 40 C fever and risk of encephalitis, be my guest.

#357 to #347 - dwarfman

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(11/02/2013)[-]

Man I've got to stop you there. I doubt the vaccine gave you your allergy. Side effects for vaccinations range from mild cold symptoms to migraines. I tend to get the latter, but my family is plagued by chronic migraines.

#359 to #357 - redrepeater

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(11/02/2013)[-]

That is funny, because I didn't have the allergy before the vaccine.
Fine, the scientific facts make it seem unlikely, but it happened to me and it won't go away.

#360 to #359 - dwarfman

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(11/02/2013)[-]

I didn't have allergies to pollen before my teens. They develop over your life time.

#295 to #13 - fyaq

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(11/02/2013)[-]

well not entirely true, mercury in shots back in the day did cause brain damage.

yeah his study was falsified, but there is some evidence to bring the need for a study in the first place.

#330 to #13 - swagasauruss

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(11/02/2013)[-]

To bad I know someone who's Kid got really sick, nearly died and suffered huge brain damage and now acts autistic...happened 20 minutes after the shots were given

#365 to #330 - dwarfman

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(11/02/2013)[-]

Guys a friend of a friend's cousin's incarcerated nephew's boyfriend told me this! It is true!

#456 to #365 - swagasauruss

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(11/02/2013)[-]

It's my bosses son, and the damage came because when he had a reaction to the vaccine it blocked oxygen to his brain causing the issues he has

#102 to #12 - sannukas

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(11/01/2013)[-]

Conspiracy theorist believe that vaccines are made to kill people and refuse to get them, apparently being a ''conspiracy theorist'' is pretty popular among teenagers right now.

#16 to #12 - iRetaliate

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(11/01/2013)[-]

Some people believe that vaccines can cause autism.

There's absolutely no CONCLUSIVE evidence to support this though, as vaccines have been mandatory for more years than autism has been on the rise, indicating that something other than vaccines is causing the increase. Most likely, it's the rise of technology, but if you start telling all these ****** parents that they need to take the video games away from their kids and actually spend time with them, suddenly it becomes a huge problem.

#OPENYOUREYESWORLD #NWO

#405 to #12 - fjaggot

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(11/02/2013)[-]

when the first ones came out they were really insecure and killed 1 in 10 people so they got counted as bad

#404 to #12 - europe#201 on commentsRank#201

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(11/02/2013)[-]

I may be wrong, but aren't they first tested on animals?
That could be a reason

#420 to #404 - arstya

Reply+1

(11/02/2013)[-]

1. Acquire petri dish with (X) virus.
2. Apply vaccine for (X) virus.
3. Observe the outcome.

Or

1. Find someone with an immunity to X virus.
2. Take a blood sample for the antibodies.

#290 to #12 - anon id: 6e5af783

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(11/02/2013)[-]

I'm not sure if it's true but I've heard that in some countries USA, might be more countries too there have been money involved to make people buy vaccine for no reason at all, just scare them about "awful blah blah" and then let them pay for it.

I read about it not long ago but can't provide source. I'm not saying vaccines are bad or good but to be honest, sometimes I just feel like "well, media cry every year about vaccine and still there are like 1 person who gets it". Just the birdflue, it was all over the news, like millions in Sweden has died. The truth was, we had 2 - 3 cases if I'm not wrong and one of them was a cat.

I'll never tell someone "don't take it" but for my personal, I rather skip it. the bird flue for an example, the vaccine made a lot of people sick and tired for no reason at all and if I'm not wrong, pregnant womens who took it might have had some effects on the baby, something I read about later, no source sadly.

#127 to #12 - anon id: 175c6990

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(11/01/2013)[-]

Actually, there IS a reason as to not get a vaccine: Vaccines weaken your immune system. I know, it sounds silly, but you're weak to other diseases while your white blood cells try to create antibodies to your vaccine, and the vaccine itself can even cause you to get what the vaccine prevents. So basically, you can risk getting sick and not getting a shot, or you can try to not get sick with something and probably get sick with something else. I myself don't usually take vaccines, as I don't give two ***** if I'm sick.

#165 to #127 - HarvietheDinkle

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(11/02/2013)[-]

That's only if the doctor does it completely wrong.

By not getting a vaccine, you're exposing others to a disease.

Thanks a lot.

#172 to #127 - anon id: b70633d6

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(11/02/2013)[-]

You may not give two ***** if you're sick, but what if you don't get the vaccine and pass on whatever-it-is to someone who can't fight it off, like the elderly or those with pre-existing conditions that weaken them to disease? The main point of vaccines is to break the chain of infection and support herd immunity. Also, most vaccines are dead or weakened strains. You can't get sick from dead bacteria or viruses, so, for instance, if we're talking about the flu vaccine and you're worried about not being able to fight off the weakened disease in the nasal spray, get the shot instead which is already dead. Some people may still get sick even after being vaccinated, but it's likely to be less severe if they've been vaccinated and they're less likely to be exposed if everyone around them was vaccinated, too.

TL;DR: Not getting vaccinated can hurt other people. Vaccines don't make you sick. If you get sick with the disease you were just vaccinated for, it's likely you were already exposed.

#63 to #12 - godofcorndog

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(11/01/2013)[-]

The main reason is some dumb **** famous woman said "I'm not getting my kid vaccinated because I don't want him to get Autism." She had no medical evidence of it, nor could provide any support for her claim, but of course stupid people will believe what they are told.

#22 to #12 - zzforrest

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(11/01/2013)[-]

There's of course the autism explanation but if you want a more "reasonable" argument against it, you could look at the supervirus.
The theory is, when you use hand sanitizer it only kills 99.9% of germs in an area. Therefore the .1% of germs are stronger than the other 99.9%. If you keep sanitizing the same area for long enough, you breed germs and bacteria that are too powerful to stop. They reproduce, there is no cure, humanity gets ******. Now imagine the same thing with a virus like the flu. If the flu keeps getting destroyed in lower forms, the upper form will be stronger. Vaccines, can (even though I don't agree with it), breed super viruses that could wipe out humanity.
I don't agree with that but that's at least more statistically grounded.

#42 to #22 - lodestone

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(11/01/2013)[-]

I think you're mixing up vaccines with something like antibiotics or antivirals. Vaccines are weakened or dead organisms that help your body's immune response against a certain disease later on. So what you are saying is impossible because vaccines don't fight pathogens directly. Your body fights the vaccine which makes your immune system better at fighting the future disease.

#43 to #42 - zzforrest

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(11/01/2013)[-]

Oh my, you are right! I did get the terms mixed up, though I blame society because everybody mixes it up.

#47 to #43 - lodestone

Reply0

(11/01/2013)[-]

You're right on that one.

#124 to #22 - anon id: 577ac9bb

Reply0

(11/01/2013)[-]

Often times the only reason they say it kills 99.9% of germs is due to legal reasons. The product is capable of killing all bacteria that it comes in contact with, but if someone misuses the product and claims to have gotten sick afterwards due to the product being faulty, the company can claim that a 100% success rate was never guaranteed in the first place because on the label it said 99.9%

#30 to #22 - fgtometer

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(11/01/2013)[-]

Also, with bacteria and other microbes, it's antibiotics you really have to worry about. Alcohol is always going to kill the vast majority of bugs.

#35 to #30 - zzforrest

Reply0

(11/01/2013)[-]

What I said actually happened once.
Bedbugs are nasty little bastards, and we knew it. Thus, the US used **** tons of the most potent pesticide at the time to kill of thousands of bedbugs. Every single one they could find, they tried to demolish. They failed, though, because the bedbugs desperately evolved. You can no longer use any pesticide against bedbugs. None. No amount of potency will kill them. They are evolved against pesticides. Imagine this happened to the flu. Imagine e-coli became resistant to treating measures. Imagine your bug spray was useless against the average hornet.

#37 to #35 - fgtometer

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(11/01/2013)[-]

(By bugs I meant bacteria.)

I understand what you're saying, what I'm saying is bacteria aren't really able to develop resistance to alcohol. It destroys (dissolves) the cell membrane. That's the surface of bacteria, so it's pretty fundamental; they can't really block it from doing that. That's why they can boast 99% efficiency. If it was any other mechanism that %age would drop incredibly rapidly.

That's very different to a pesticide, most of which act on the nervous system of insects as far as I know.

#44 to #37 - zzforrest

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(11/01/2013)[-]

Well what I'm saying is that super-breeding by mass-destruction is a proven concept. I do not support it, because it does have flaws as you mentioned. It's just a more reasonable explanation for anti-vaccine arguments.

#48 to #44 - fgtometer

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(11/01/2013)[-]

I wouldn't ever deny that. But vaccines don't kill viruses, they allow the body to have antibodies ready when an infection occurs, which prevents the virus infecting many cells in the body. Thus, the virus is not reproduced as much.

So it's not an apt analogy, nor is the hand sanitiser-> bed bugs analogy. Superficially, yes, but on a technical level, no.

#50 to #48 - zzforrest

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(11/01/2013)[-]

See comment #43

#53 to #50 - fgtometer

Reply0

(11/01/2013)[-]

Okie doke!

#29 to #22 - fgtometer

Reply0

(11/01/2013)[-]

On the other hand, within a vaccinated population they will be reproduced a lot less, which will give them less opportunity to mutate. So that's a pretty dubious point, it might actually be the other way around.

#344 to #12 - Snowplows

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(11/02/2013)[-]

Vaccines have never been proven to have any real ill effects on humans. However, my cat recently developed a tumor and the the vets even told us that is was more than likely caused by the aluminum in vaccines they gave him about 7 years ago.

#338 to #12 - ramboboss**User deleted account**

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(11/02/2013)[-]

i had a teacher two years ago that was vaccinated for polio but cause the disease wasnt weak it enough it got her on her shoulder and now she cant lift or move her arm

#1 - nynewars

Reply+38

(11/01/2013)[-]

For those who don't know what Pertussis is:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pertussis

Don't worry I had to look it up too.

#2 to #1 - iforgotmyothername [OP]

Reply+78

(11/01/2013)[-]

Pertussis — commonly called whooping cough, is a highly contagious bacterial disease [...] In some countries, this disease is called the 100 days' cough or cough of 100 days.

Symptoms are initially mild, and then develop into severe coughing fits, which produce the namesake high-pitched "whoop" sound in infected babies and children when they inhale air after coughing.[2] The coughing stage lasts approximately six weeks before subsiding.

Yep, sucks to be her.

#3 to #2 - nynewars

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(11/01/2013)[-]

Yeah, calm down OP, I wasn't asking for a diagnosis, I was helping people figure it out.

But still, it was a good post, and I guess you were alot more informative than my comment was.

#5 to #3 - iforgotmyothername [OP]

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(11/01/2013)[-]

Meant no disrespect, was merely elaborating.

#6 to #5 - nynewars

Reply0

(11/01/2013)[-]

No disrespect. I mean, your post was more informative than mine anyways.

#387 to #2 - azinfoo

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(11/02/2013)[-]

"bacterial disease" So couldn't then an antibiotic be the solution to her problem? Or do those count as "vaccines" to her as well?

#363 to #2 - alexthebest

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(11/02/2013)[-]

I had whooping cough a few years ago despite getting the vaccine as a kid. By far the worst thing I've had, including chicken pox, mumps, and pneumonia. I'm only able to hold my breath for about a minute, but a coughing fit would last up to two minutes without an opportunity to breathe, followed by gasping desperately for air, making the "whoop" noise.

Feels scary not knowing when a coughing fit will end and your body is gonna give you a chance to inhale.

#356 to #2 - mizzycupcakes

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(11/02/2013)[-]

is it possible to get this even if you have had all your vaccines?

#336 to #2 - twofreegerbils

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(11/02/2013)[-]

Holy ****, I think I had this in the 11th grade. For a few months I would get in coughing fits so bad that I would have to pull my car off to the side of the road. Well I'll be go to hell.

#296 to #2 - fyaq

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(11/02/2013)[-]

the font is ****** enough i read "coughing TITS"

#238 to #2 - bighairyfart

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(11/02/2013)[-]

I think I've had pertussis & nobody knew... It's passed now, but i'm still confused

#123 to #2 - mexicandudeinsd

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(11/01/2013)[-]

who is that black guy cause i want to know his name

#310 to #2 - anon id: 54db9ba9

Reply0

(11/02/2013)[-]

thanks for the non-link, hope you continue your quest of finding your other name, you deserve it

#17 to #1 - CCpieman

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(11/01/2013)[-]

Oh ****, I just learned about how ****** up whooping cough is in class today. You literally empty your lungs because you're coughing so bad. You can break ribs and tear muscle from how bad it gets. Thank God for vaccines, **** Jenny McCarthy

#20 to #17 - nynewars

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(11/01/2013)[-]

yeah, that bitch is crazy.
and even if it did cause autism, I'd rather have that then be dead.

#352 to #1 - fuckyosixtyminutes

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(11/02/2013)[-]

I know all about it because I ******* missed that word in a ******* spelling bee once.

mfw every time I see this word even to this day

#292 to #1 - danniegurl

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(11/02/2013)[-]

I actually knew because of that commercial of the babies with whooping cough that sounded awful.

#224 to #1 - jajathezombie

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(11/02/2013)[-]

I had whooping cough at like, age 1 or 2. Wound up almost dying with a 106 fever. ****** no joke.

#33 - newall

Reply+52

(11/01/2013)[-]

people not vaccinating their ******* kids is the reason "extinct" diseases are suddenly reappearing. if you want to not vaccinate your children, fine. homeschool your filthy little urchins, keep them away from other people's kids.

#52 to #33 - jarelk

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(11/01/2013)[-]

Yup. A teenage girl died of Measles in my country (Netherlands). She is the first reported death in like a hundred years. I really want to punch her parents for not giving her a vaccin.

#49 to #33 - fgtometer

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(11/01/2013)[-]

Yep, social contract. Sign up, or **** off out of public institutions.

#4 - urbancohort

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(11/01/2013)[-]

Anti-vaccine? how dumb can people get?

#9 to #4 - mattdoggy#215 on commentsRank#215

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(11/01/2013)[-]

Some idiots believe that Vaccines are the devils work pretty much.
Some guy falsified a ton of results where it said that kids get autism from vaccines
Like 1 in a billion chance says that you get some really weird reaction

#371 to #9 - threeeighteen

Reply0

(11/02/2013)[-]

My sources actually state that it is 1 in a million billion.

#7 to #4 - jackmanagan

Reply0

(11/01/2013)[-]

well ive had my shots. but i do refuse to get flu vaccines.

#10 to #7 - anon id: d46310af

Reply0

(11/01/2013)[-]

As someone who works in the medical field, I must say that, while I respect that it is your decision to not get your flu shot, it's still a really dumb decision.

#27 to #10 - jackmanagan

Reply0

(11/01/2013)[-]

true. but im one of those people that never get sick. and if i start to. i induce a fever to stop anything in its tracks.

#18 - dwarfman

Reply+27

(11/01/2013)[-]

This Ladies and Gents is what is known as "Darwinism". It's a great way to weed out the anti vaccine nuts.

#276 to #18 - artistultimatum

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(11/02/2013)[-]

Another problem is that these people can act as mobile, virus storage units. Measles was considered all but extinct in the US around 2000. Now its coming back because people aren't getting their vaccinations for it.
There other diseases that can make a comeback because of these people, and they can spread it to other people.
I know it's their right and all to decide whether or not they get their shots, but they're stupid so **** their collective opinions.
<MFW people tell me they wont get vaccinated.

#144 to #18 - basicargentinian

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(11/01/2013)[-]

It can also be called karma, irony or sweet, sweet justice.

#379 to #18 - jukuku

Reply0

(11/02/2013)[-]

Too bad they're going to risk the health of their children.

#348 to #18 - iridium

Reply0

(11/02/2013)[-]

Pertussis isn't lethal for most people outside of third world countries, so alas I doubt it will remove her from the genepool.

#350 to #348 - dwarfman

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(11/02/2013)[-]

What a shame. Maybe hell will freeze over and she'll learn something from this. Or at the very least it will SOMEHOW sterilize her.

#351 to #350 - iridium

Reply0

(11/02/2013)[-]

Alas, she could just be repeating the words of someone else that were twisted to the point that made sense, and now she has learned her lesson?

As much as I hate stupidity, I don't believe someone should be removed from the genepool on their first strike, and I really would like to believe this person isn't this dumb on a regular basis. Everyone says one dumb thing or another at some point.

#268 to #18 - specialone

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(11/02/2013)[-]

The problem is that it's the kids of the anti-vaccine's who are at risk - and also the immuno-compromised population.

#261 - cameforalaugh

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(11/02/2013)[-]

Ummm... It's true, vaccines are bad for you, they are the leading cause of infant deaths in the world

#263 to #261 - noblexfenrir

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(11/02/2013)[-]

and some say he provided sources that day,
And then the true meaning of vaccines came through,
And the cameforalaugh found the strength of ten cameforalaughs--plus two.

#264 to #263 - cameforalaugh

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(11/02/2013)[-]

Sorry for posting my own opinion on the internet, I now realise that I was wrong because I did not agree with everyone else

#274 to #264 - desuforeverlulz

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(11/02/2013)[-]

That's not an opinion but a belief. And a deluded one. And yes, you get made fun of for believing in stupid things. That is what encourages people to not think stupid things.

#265 to #264 - noblexfenrir

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(11/02/2013)[-]

I don't give a **** about your opinion, you made a claim, I asked for a source.

So give me a source that supports your claim that vaccines are the leading cause of infant deaths in the world.

#283 to #265 - idoliam

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(11/02/2013)[-]

Also, if they're basing a statement like that around opinion than they probably don't know what they're talking about or hey were horribly misinformed. Fact outweighs opinion. I personally have never heard of vaccines being related to SIDS. Every SIDS case I've studied in infant development 1, 2, and 3 (some outside research as well) has either had no definite reason, an unknown toxin in the home, or a result of shaking the infant.

#284 to #283 - noblexfenrir

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(11/02/2013)[-]

Absolutely, as is stands, there are too many variables to conclusively say that vaccines have a link, but even then studies that try and isolate vaccines as much as possible have returned with equally clear results.

#267 to #265 - cameforalaugh

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(11/02/2013)[-]

Go suck a fat one

#269 to #267 - noblexfenrir

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(11/02/2013)[-]

That isn't a source sparky, I could easily give you a site that says "His site is ********".

I was a study that shows a direct link between vaccinations and it being the leading cause of infant deaths. Your site gave me "Some people believe that vaccination causes SIDS", which basically equates to "We have nothing to prove it but it sounds good to prove our point."

Not to mention the site you gave me is riddled with misinformation on the subject of vaccines, however I'm not hear to call ******** on them, I'm calling it on you.

#272 to #269 - noblexfenrir

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(11/02/2013)[-]

Also I should inform people who are reading these comments his site is actually pro-vaccinations, however this is their paragraph on infant death rates:

"Some people believe that vaccination causes SIDS because a proportion of children who die as a result of SIDS have recently been immunised. There is actual no link between the two beyond the fact that, as babies are immunised every two months for the first six months of their life, and children are most vulnerable to SIDS at this age, it should come as no surprise that a certain percentage of babies who died from SIDS were, coincidentally, recently vaccinated."

#270 to #269 - noblexfenrir

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(11/02/2013)[-]

Want*

#275 to #270 - SmilingJackSmyth

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(11/02/2013)[-]

I think he needs to lie down for a bit. You owned him pretty hard back there.

#364 to #267 - undeadwill

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(11/02/2013)[-]

MFW

#334 to #267 - nigeltheoutlaw

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(11/02/2013)[-]

You're not going to be sitting for a while after that ass *******.

#358 to #264 - dwarfman

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(11/02/2013)[-]

OMG my precious opinion! **** you man. Your opinions end when they cause harm to others. Not vaccinating causes harm to others so shut the **** up.

#320 to #264 - fgtometer

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(11/02/2013)[-]

"They are the leading cause of infant deaths in the world"

That's not an opinion! How could you possibly think that's an opinion?

#308 to #261 - funbaggy

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(11/02/2013)[-]

You pulled that one from deep out of your ass.

#56 - arandomanon

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(11/01/2013)[-]

I've never had a vaccine and I've got no intention of doing so.
My physical health is pretty goddamn good, just a flu or two a year.
My uncle is vaccinated against measles and he's sick of it at the moment. And I know more cases.
inb4 people telling me I need to vaccinate and stuff.
inb4 redthumbs because I'm an ignorant.

#86 to #56 - fargtwo

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(11/01/2013)[-]

You do need to vaccinate and stuff and you are an ignorant.

#136 to #86 - darksideofthebeast

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(11/01/2013)[-]

No you don't need to vaccinate things.

Last time I had a vaccination was 6 years ago.

Haven't had any infection going around so I don't see what you're saying.

#331 to #136 - nigeltheoutlaw

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(11/02/2013)[-]

That's because everybody around you is vaccinated, you inbred amoeba. Vaccinations need the whole group to participate to be fully effective; all you are right now is a walking depository of illnesses that nobody in a wealthy nation should have.

#366 to #331 - darksideofthebeast

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(11/02/2013)[-]

Yes because not a lot of people get ****** up by vaccines or whatever.

#367 to #366 - nigeltheoutlaw

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(11/02/2013)[-]

Yes, they don't. I'm glad that you finally realize this.

#380 to #367 - darksideofthebeast

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(11/02/2013)[-]

articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2004/05/12/vaccination-dangers.aspx

#419 to #380 - nigeltheoutlaw

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(11/02/2013)[-]

Maybe you missed the dozen comments on here that showed that the correlation between mental defects and vaccinations was a sham, and that everyone involved admitted as such?

#77 to #56 - fgtometer

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(11/01/2013)[-]

"Just a flu or two a year"

Those are colds. If you had 2 flus a year, you would quite probably be dead by now.

#222 to #77 - arandomanon

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(11/02/2013)[-]

Yeah, thanks for the correction. English is not my first language.

#225 to #222 - fgtometer

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(11/02/2013)[-]

It's actually a common misconception amongst English-speakers, too. Flu is generally ******* severe, fever etc. The cold may include similar symptoms but generally isn't as full-on.

Also, well done. Your English is a lot better than any of my foreign languages.

#229 to #225 - arandomanon

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(11/02/2013)[-]

Why, thank you. And thank you for stating politely your thoughts without being a dick, unlike everyone else.

#235 to #229 - fgtometer

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(11/02/2013)[-]

No worries bru. I wouldn't bother with flu vaccines unless I was dealing with old, young, or sick people (or I was one of those), but the other vaccines are a bit more serious.

Measles, for example, one of my friends caught that from an unvaccinated person and spent a few weeks in the hospital (and she was around 20 at the time).

Having said that, it is your choice. Just make sure it's an educated decision. And by that I mean actual science, not Professor Yewtoob

#250 to #235 - arandomanon

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(11/02/2013)[-]

I'm not really going to argue about that because it's no use. There are studies that say vaccines are good, however vaccines are based on mercury (as far as I know) and that's not exactly a thing I'd like to put inside my organism. I distrust everything and just because everyone else says it's good, doesn't mean anything to me. Doctors in ~1920 said tobacco was healthy and they were wrong. And people believe them just because "hey, doctors said that" without really wondering anything.

I've got no evidences to sustain I'm right distrusting vaccines but I also don't have enough evidences that tell me I'm wrong. And again, I don't say people shouldn't vaccinate, I just said that I really don't think I will.

#253 to #250 - fgtometer

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(11/02/2013)[-]

Vaccines aren't based on mercury. Some used to contain tiny amounts of a relatively safe type of mercury, only a few still do.

Tobacco wasn't well studied, that's why doctors thought it was safe. Different times!

#258 to #253 - arandomanon

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(11/02/2013)[-]

I don't have enough information right now to have a real decision. I refuse to trust something just because everyone else does. I guess I'll have to do some research.

#285 to #258 - flarenight

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(11/02/2013)[-]

if you scroll up the comment section of this post a little there is a user named NobleXFenrir who has explained it all pretty well. so might as well read through that

#262 to #258 - fgtometer

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(11/02/2013)[-]

Yeah, probably best not to make a decision late at night based on what FJ tells you.

If you have kids, I implore you to think long and hard before you avoid vaccinating them. It could end very badly.

#216 to #56 - abcdxyz

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(11/02/2013)[-]

Oh **** guys, time to rewrite medical journals! Forget all those studies, this dude has ******* anecdotal evidence!

#219 to #216 - arandomanon

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(11/02/2013)[-]

You all talk like I'm telling you not to vaccinate. I didn't say that. I just said what I'm not going to do.
I find amusing how butthurt are people here because an opinion, FJ's hive mind never cease to amuse me.

#234 to #219 - abcdxyz

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(11/02/2013)[-]

FJ does have a hivemind. But you've made it sound like vaccinating isn't necessary. And maybe you won't get exposed and get sick. And that is great. For you. It is necessary to try and vaccinate everyone, because rarely is anyone so lucky that they won't ever be exposed to the disease.

There is an extremely dangerous myth out there that vaccinating is dangerous. Again, maybe you didn't intend to, but your post has made it sound like the fact that you believe it's not necessary because of what you've experienced, when studies say that you are in the minority.

Lastly I don't think that's the full story about your uncle. Measles was nearly wiped out due to vaccinations preventing people from contracting it. Either your uncle never received the MMR vaccine until after exposure to it, or some part of the story, either as you've heard it, or you've told it, is false

#254 to #234 - arandomanon

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(11/02/2013)[-]

It wasn't my intention.

I could argue and tell my uncle's story but I really don't feel like it, I really don't want to persuade anyone to stop using vaccines. So I'm not going to try.
As I've stated below, I don't really trust vaccines. Of course, I've read studies that say vaccines are positive. But yet, I've heard of people vaccinated who've had problems with sickness they apparently were vaccinated against. Vaccines are based in mercury (as far as I know, the ones being used here are at least) and that's not something I'd really want to put inside my organism.
But again, I'm not trying to persuade anyone about anything.

#282 to #56 - anon id: 4fd04dac

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(11/02/2013)[-]

It's fine for a small minority of a population to not get vaccinated because as long as the majority do then you still have 'herd protection.' Basically because everyone else is more resistant to the disease then it's harder for it to spread anyway.

The problem is when there are too many idiots or groups of idiots that allow for an outbreak to take root. For instance a few decades ago we had pretty much beat mumps, as in it was going to be one of those diseases confined only to labs for research, but thanks to that cock-juggling thundercunt Wakefield it's now having a resurgence worldwide.

#162 to #56 - anon id: ee3d53d8

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(11/02/2013)[-]

Hard to get sick if you're an antisocial asshole who doesn't interact with people.

inb4 you act like you're the most social person in the universe.

#223 to #162 - arandomanon

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(11/02/2013)[-]

Why are you insulting me? Are you mad at me?

#68 to #56 - revanmal

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(11/01/2013)[-]

I hope to whatever gods may be listening that you're trolling.

#217 to #68 - arandomanon

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(11/02/2013)[-]

No, I am not. And I couldn't care less.

#337 to #56 - nigeltheoutlaw

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(11/02/2013)[-]

You're ignorant. You don't need vaccinations, you should just kill yourself.

#440 to #337 - arandomanon

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(11/02/2013)[-]

Right after your, asshole.

#459 to #440 - nigeltheoutlaw

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(11/02/2013)[-]

Nah, I'm good to go. I'll live a long, healthy life because of my vaccinations while you will die young.

#463 to #459 - arandomanon

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(11/03/2013)[-]

Yeah vaccines will grant you eternal life and just because I'm not vaccinated I'm going to die. Really? Are you that stupid?

#464 to #463 - nigeltheoutlaw

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(11/03/2013)[-]

Yep, that's exactly what I said. Good job. you win the argument. I'll go enjoy not being at risk of catching easily preventable diseases.

#465 to #464 - arandomanon

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(11/03/2013)[-]

#99 - howunexpected

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(11/01/2013)[-]

A girl at my school who avidly preaches no sexual anything, like not even touching the sexual organs unless necessary, is now pregnant
And apparently has syphilis too

#205 to #99 - fgtometer

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(11/02/2013)[-]

#221 - jacencaedus

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(11/02/2013)[-]

I know my neighbor can't enroll her son in school because there's no vaccination record because of her views

#256 to #221 - specialone

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(11/02/2013)[-]

Good, it's protecting the school.

#259 to #256 - jacencaedus

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(11/02/2013)[-]

I understand that but that wasn't exactly my point, my point was she is keeping her child from education because of these idiotic views

#327 to #259 - fgtometer

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(11/02/2013)[-]

Why doesn't she just home school the kid?

lel

#39 - nationalanthem

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(11/01/2013)[-]

then no matter how you view it you're ******* evil!

she's preching because she cares, wheter its right or not (it is by the way) she does it because she believes in it!

bet you poke people in wheelchairs too then?

#45 to #39 - okamiterasu

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(11/01/2013)[-]

Hitler also believed in a few things. we all saw how that went down

#46 to #45 - nationalanthem

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(11/01/2013)[-]

morale of the story: take your vaccine or its holocaust part 2 on the way?

#233 to #46 - deviousdanish

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(11/02/2013)[-]

Yep. Of all those deemed to stupid for life. You'd be the first.

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#51 to #39 - fgtometer

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(11/01/2013)[-]

"She's preching (sic) because she cares, wheter (sic) its (sic) right or not (it is by the way)"

I assume you're anti-vaccination. I wonder why you're offended...

#54 to #51 - nationalanthem

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(11/01/2013)[-]

im just thinking why would you inject yourself with something you have NO idea what is and because a guys who makes money off of it tells you you should do it because it's good for you? and if it truly were entirely good for you why is there in some cases death due to side effects?

btw.. (sic)..?

#55 to #54 - kanadetenshi

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(11/01/2013)[-]

Because if you'd actually bother to read the facts and the scientifically peer reviewed articles you would realize that there is nothing to worry about. You're right about one thing though, the only reason you're not injecting yourself is because you have no idea about vaccinations and are absolutely too ignorant and unqualified to even discuss it.

Vaccines are actually very safe, despite implications to the contrary in many anti-vaccine publications (which sometimes contain the number of reports received by VAERS, and allow the reader to infer that all of them represent genuine vaccine side-effects). Most vaccine adverse events are minor and temporary, such as a sore arm or mild fever. These can often be controlled by taking acetaminophen before or after vaccination.

But go ahead and deny vaccines, it's good for natural selection.

#58 to #55 - fgtometer

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(11/01/2013)[-]

ja but ur just a shill for big pharma. gb2 monsanto, fag

#65 to #58 - nationalanthem

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(11/01/2013)[-]

lol.. a shill would be someone whos delivering false or misleading information? so what are YOU calling ME a Shill for? do you never stop and wonder why the things that are politically correct is politically correct?

#70 to #65 - fgtometer

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(11/01/2013)[-]

Read the numbers. That was not a reply to your comment.

#75 to #70 - nationalanthem

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(11/01/2013)[-]

boy.. is my face red.. x) im sorry

#105 to #75 - TheBearerOfBadNews

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(11/01/2013)[-]

10/10 troll congrats....

#106 to #105 - nationalanthem

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(11/01/2013)[-]

that was really a well crafted and spot on come back must've taken you Weeeks to come up with? stand up and take a bow! and while you're down there kiss my ass

#114 to #106 - Riot

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(11/01/2013)[-]

It's time to turn off your computer.

#116 to #114 - nationalanthem

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(11/01/2013)[-]

yeah im maybe the least likely here to take that advice knowing that i dont do or believie in things simply because im told to^^ ask some of the others but psst.. call your self a doctor or a psycologist or some fancy **** and they'll be sure to swallow it ;D

#118 to #116 - Riot

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(11/01/2013)[-]

Assuming you aren't trolling, it's ignorant people like you that are holding the rest of us back. Go get a ******* education, you degenerate twat.

#117 to #116 - TheBearerOfBadNews

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(11/01/2013)[-]

may I ask are you religious at all? This is not asked to attack said religion just to get an idea of who we are dealing with here.

#112 to #106 - TheBearerOfBadNews

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(11/01/2013)[-]

i would simply like to state that i only just stumbled on to this *********** in the last 5 mins... I was also just trying to compliment your eloquent use of trolling technique and your commitment to character is impressive. That being said.... I will entertain this ridiculous notion that scientists stand to make any money from the sale of vaccines. I am currently a cancer researcher working on new chemotherapies. I am in know way in line to see a single penny of any profits from drugs which make it to the market. It is me and my colleagues that establsih wether drugs are safe for use and ensure that they actually work. If they do not meet certain strict criteria they are banned from use.... by law. If a drug is shown to be effective and safe only then does it make it to market where the drug companies make there money from sales. Drug companies make money from successful drugs and therapies; not by selling false claims and toxic chemicals. If they did do that they would face bankruptcy from the countless fines and lawsuits they would receive. I take it as an insult that you would imply that those like me who work hard to improve peoples lives and better humankind would stoop so low as to attempt to profit from misery and lies. All of those currently working on the development of medicines, better living conditions, cheaper and better ways to gather resources and ultimately bettering our lives deserve a bit of god damn respect. Now I would not wish disease and death on anyone but please at least keep you hate mongering ******** to yourself and leave the rest of us alone.

and once again 11/10 troll you got me

#211 to #112 - fgtometer

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(11/02/2013)[-]

Respect, m8. Just finished my undergrad, I hope to be in drug discovery or cancer research soon, with some luck and a lot of effort.

#131 to #112 - nationalanthem

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(11/01/2013)[-]

i dont belong to any religion, but i wont say im an atheist either.. what i believe in is not necessarily holy nor a man in the skies.. im not trolling.. -.- this is my opinion on the matter and i stand by it proudly cause at least if im wrong (and im not) i had my own thoughts and once i again i call ******** on the whole im a cancer scientist.. cancer scientists don't hang around on FJ.. did you mean you were the IT guy at the laboratory the scientists work? or the castodian or such?

#137 to #131 - TheBearerOfBadNews

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(11/01/2013)[-]

Ok so your agnostic that's fine... Opinion doesn't come in to this... its fact... scienific fact that vaccines do more good than harm. If you dont believe the cancer research thing then again thats fine. I would like to point out that people from all ages and backgrounds are on fj.., one of the beauties of the internet. I do hope that you eventually see that the world is not out to get you and that you join us in the realm of sanity and understanding. Until then though do us all a favour and just shut the **** up! you have spent the last 2 or so hours arguing on the internet. worst of all your wrong and nothing you say will make your "opinion" right in the real world. So just stop relax, live your life and most importantly of all..... shut up.

#148 to #137 - nationalanthem

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(11/01/2013)[-]

The Matrix is a system, Neo. That system is our enemy. But when you're inside, you look around, what do you see? Businessmen, teachers, lawyers, carpenters. The very minds of the people we are trying to save. But until we do, these people are still a part of that system and that makes them our enemy. You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it.

FJ comunity^^....... -.-' you're ******* pathetic, but know this anyway! i root for you to find the truth some day and that it wont result in you all shooting yourselves in the face out of shame! but let me ease you into it a bit cuz it's ******* brutal once your bubble pops and theres no way back

#60 to #55 - nationalanthem

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(11/01/2013)[-]

what facts!?! the "facts" the merchant is telling you!? "Chome Herehe Verry Godt Prizzzee Fohr u mai frend" it's called marketing! just becase a doctor have given it a little more thought than your average bazaar merchant its still the same thing! natural selection is also a load of crap, but thats another topic.. remember the Swineflu? that vaccine had traces of solid metals in it! but yeeeah aaaaall good ;)

#71 to #60 - kanadetenshi

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(11/01/2013)[-]

No the facts that i have studied and experimented vaccination myself for years at my university, which means i have seen and studied the evidence myself. Just because you have no education whatsoever doesn't mean everyone who is more intelligent than you is suddenly an evil jewish overlord part of a huge conspiracy.

Mercury was removed from all routine childhood vaccines in Australia in the year 2000 (with the exception of one type of HepB vaccine which contains trace amounts) and it was never in the MMR vaccine. Prior to 2000, thimerosal, an organomercury compound, was used in the manufacturing process of vaccines as a preservative. The process left only trace amounts in the finished product – you ingest more mercury when you eat a can of tuna than you would ever get from a vaccine. Also there are two types of mercury – methyl mercury is the scary environmental toxin that “bioaccumulates” in your body, and ethyl mercury the type found in thimerosal, which does not bioaccumulate.

Please if you do decide to respond. Please take off your tinfoil hat, atleast TRY to type proper sentences and back up your claims with peer reviewed sources. Otherwise i'm not even going to bother responding to a science denialist like you.

#74 to #60 - kanadetenshi

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(11/01/2013)[-]

Also metal is not a harmfull element. In fact you need metal elements like iron to survive which is why it's a vitamin source for most food.

#72 to #60 - fgtometer

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(11/01/2013)[-]

Which metal? Was it actually solid, like solid pieces? Also, citation please. (That means produce some supporting information or links, so that we can read about it ourselves)

#66 to #60 - deviousdanish

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(11/01/2013)[-]

Not the merchant, you ignorant *******. Actually scientifically documented facts. Natural Selection is not a load of crap, it means the weak and stupid animals die off, leaving the stronger and smarter animals to survive. And, yeah, the Swine Flu vaccine started off with metals in it, considering that certain types of metals had to be used to make it, because metals make up over half of all elements.

#73 to #66 - nationalanthem

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(11/01/2013)[-]

what is with the name calling?! seriously do you have tourettes or something? are you unable to treat people with diffrent opinions like human beings? natural selection is ******** because: Scenario: you're a fish you start to develop lungs(which takes couple million years maybe?) so now you're one of the minority of fish who's making ready for life on land and that means you're the weakest link during the development and thus wont survive according to that theory! further more! why are my facts not considered facts? because the majority thinks otherwise? psst! they used to think the world was flat to! again because someone used "science" to tell them so!

#79 to #73 - kanadetenshi

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(11/01/2013)[-]

That is easily the biggest ******** i have ever heard.

Natural selection works and refines itself in small steps. Say that you're a species of fish that only eats purple food, but one day a fish is born with a genetic mutation to be able to eat yellow food, now imagine that purple food became scarce and only the fish with the genes that allow them to eat yellow food reproduces, here you go natural selection.

Also your lung analogy is flawed because it makes the assumption that a transitional species is a weak link which is false, the fish that gradually started to develop lungs had the advantage over those that didn't.

Your facts are not facts because they aren't based on evidence nor are they based on reality. You can't just make up your own facts like it's an educated guess. Also at the time people thought the world was flat the scientific method wasn't established yet.

#81 to #79 - nationalanthem

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(11/01/2013)[-]

you do realize the the evolution THEORY(!!!!) is just a theory right?? so it's a good a guess as mine -.- besides have you ever seen evolution take place? or did you just read it in your bible written by your prophe.. i mean science books written by scientists.. the truth is NO ONE know the origins of things.. and as the saying goes.. if you repeat a lie long enough it will be accepted ass common facts and any one to question it will be ridiculed

#91 to #81 - kanadetenshi

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(11/01/2013)[-]

In science a theory has a completely different meaning. What you're referring to is a hypothesis.

A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, based on knowledge that has been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experimentation.

Examples include the theory of gravitation, cell theory, plate testonics, theory of general relativity, quantum theory and even existence itself is a theory if you take cartesian philosophy into consideration.

Evolution has actually been observed countless of times and we can see it happen ourselves, antibiotic resistance in viruses, lenski's experiment, ring species, stickleback fish, fruit flies, peppered moth and many more. Hell even in human's it's notable since we evolved mutations like lactose tolerance and blue eyes.

#95 to #91 - nationalanthem

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(11/01/2013)[-]

im certain i've red that everyone is lactose tolerant as long as its not pastorized homogenized.. im quitting here.. because you're backing your lies up with other lies in a centuries deep web of lies and i dont have the time or knowledge to properly de-bunk your on every point^^ when it comes to the diffrence between hypothesis and theory the only diffrence really is that hypothesis is a wild guess a friggin shot in the dark and a theory is a guess that has some or much "evidence" in its favour

(i mean "evidence" as it's not required to be evidence just as long as it's a pointer in that direction it counts)

#100 to #95 - kanadetenshi

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(11/01/2013)[-]

Archaelogical and genetic data have proven that the capacity for adult lactose tolerance arose in the last 7,000 years in a subset of human populations. The fitness benefits of adult lactose tolerance were only realized with cattle domestication, which is believed to have arisen in the Middle East and North Africa roughly 7,500 to 9,000 years ago. Genetic data can be used to estimate the age of an allele. The mean estimate for the appearance of East African alleles ranges from 3000 to 6000 years ago depending on the population, while the European allele may be slightly older with a mean estimate at ~9000 years. However, these current techniques for estimating age have a large standard deviation, and the 95% confidence interval for all these populations is like 2,000 to 20,000 years.

And theories are not just guesses with "some" evidence in it's favor. It's based on emperical reality, but hey if theories are just guessed then stop believing in gravity and float the **** away.

You claim that i state lies yet you have not refuted any of my points, showing that you're just being disingenuous and living inside your own delusion rather than accepting reality.

#226 to #100 - deviousdanish

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(11/02/2013)[-]

I can't tell if he's actually this ******* stupid or not.

#88 to #81 - fgtometer

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(11/01/2013)[-]

LOL

#89 to #79 - nationalanthem

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(11/01/2013)[-]

the only thing that truly, undoubtly has evolved through time is the ability to legitimaze ******** and get people to swallow it as fact if the right person says it with the right title and/or the necessary amount of terminology

if it was completely opposite and i told you what you tell me.. you'd still call me a *********** because its not what you and the rest of the majority believes

#94 to #89 - kanadetenshi

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(11/01/2013)[-]

Not really, if it was the opposite i'd accept it because it has been verified by the scientific method.

The thing is there is a difference between denialists like you who base their arguments on emotions and ignorance and people who have actually dedicated years of studies to examine the evidence themself.

Do you know about those talent shows where people apply to thinking they can sing really amazing but end up sucking? That's how you're acting right now. You're not qualified to talk about science, you're nothing more than an arrogant little twat who thinks he actually knows things better than the elite scientists that have degree's and awards that you'd never even be able to get in your wet dreams.

#98 to #94 - nationalanthem

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(11/01/2013)[-]

no you wouldn't you're just to stuck on either

A: the lie and defend it at all costs not even necessarily because you believie it but becaue i call you on it and your subconscience is all like "i'll be damned if im told im not right at everything i belive in!" its common defence mechanism

or

B: you're a narrowminded little man without the capacity to imagine a reverse scenario

im guessing A since you don't strike me as a fool just a mislead knowledge seeker

#101 to #98 - kanadetenshi

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(11/01/2013)[-]

C: I've actually done my research and accepted the facts confirmed by scientific evidence because i'm not a delusional twat.

#104 to #101 - nationalanthem

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(11/01/2013)[-]

again with the name calling.. -.- you "science" people are fiercly high on yourself just because you have a nerd in a white coat backing your claims..even if they're real scientist it's not out of question they've may have been paid to do false studies or to just read a script for an hour and a half

for me this is not really about the vaccines anymore its more of a principal case for me now because you all so blindly follow people with titles and "degree's" do you have no sense of suspicion?

#108 to #104 - kanadetenshi

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(11/01/2013)[-]

"Ugh you damn academic scientists with your logic and facts"

The thing about science is that it's NOT based on one scientists opinion, it's NOT based on authority.

In order for a scientific breakthrough to be actually considered a theory it needs to go through peer-review meaning that it has to be verified It constitutes a form of self-regulation by qualified members of a profession within the relevant field. Peer review methods are employed to maintain standards of quality, improve performance, and provide credibility. In academia peer review is often used to determine an academic paper's suitability for publication.

So unless the entire scientific community (you know the academic people who rank among the most intelligent people on earth) are all part of some global conspiracy your claims are ********. And even if you'd be so ******* crazy to assume that there is a global conspiracy you are still wrong because 90% of the scientific papers are usually dismissed in peer-review through falsifiability. Surely a global conspiracy wouldn't do that now would they.

#110 to #108 - nationalanthem

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(11/01/2013)[-]

or would they to cover their tracks? if there is a cinspiracy (and there is) it's been happening for thousands of years.. thats good time to perfectly craft ones ********

#109 to #108 - nationalanthem

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(11/01/2013)[-]

were you born in 79 by pink floyd? becaus im swear im talkin to THE wall...

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(11/01/2013)[-]

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(11/01/2013)[-]

yeah and by the way? if human evolved from the apes? why the **** are there still apes? and further on why arent we seeing new human races just walking out of the jungle now and then?

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(11/01/2013)[-]

10/10 good troll

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(11/01/2013)[-]

10/10 good sheep. would herd again!

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(11/01/2013)[-]

"I don't accept the currently fashionable assertion that any view is automatically as worthy of respect as any equal and opposite view. My view is that the moon is made of rock. If someone says to me "Well, you haven't been there, have you? You haven't seen it for yourself, so my view that it is made of Norwegian Beaver Cheese is equally valid" - then I can't even be bothered to argue. There is such a thing as the burden of proof, and in the case of god, as in the case of the composition of the moon, this has shifted radically. God used to be the best explanation we'd got, and we've now got vastly better ones. God is no longer an explanation of anything, but has instead become something that would itself need an insurmountable amount of explaining. So I don't think that being convinced that there is no god is as irrational or arrogant a point of view as belief that there is. I don't think the matter calls for even-handedness at all."

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(11/02/2013)[-]

It would be extremely time-consuming and frustrating to find out exactly what ingredients are in the version of the vaccine you wish to take, then find out how each of them work, and then test the vaccine given to you to see if it matches up with the data, and THEN contact a medical professional to determine whether or not all of this information you have collected is correct, and to tell you whether or not it is safe to inject.

That same doctor can tell you what you want to know with certainty without any of those middle steps. In fact, they always do, every year, with every new vaccine. Vaccines that have been tested thoroughly and with the scrutiny of a trillion dollar industry (federally supported by your neighbors to the north). Vaccines that will work; and if one of them doesn't, you can be damn sure it'll be fixed within a week if not sooner.

Do you grow your own food? Process your own crude oil? Print your own money? Of course you don't. You don't know what goes into newspaper ink, or into the transistors of a computer chip, or even what the air is made of (down to the trace elements). And yet you're still alive, and no disaster has befallen you despite these things being unsupervised and exposed to you daily, despite you not knowing what's in them.

Vaccines can get a ******* pass.

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(11/01/2013)[-]

I can't even...

I do know what they are. Just finished a B.Sc hons this May.

Just because someone makes money off something doesn't mean it's bad. I pay for food, too. You still need actual evidence.

There are side-effects to all medicine. That's a sad fact of life. Natural remedies can kill you, too. The important thing is the risk/benefit relationship. If there is enough of a benefit, a bit of risk is acceptable. That's how all medicines are assessed. Thousands, probably millions of lives saved sounds good enough to me, with a small risk of adverse reaction (usually allergies).

Could you explain what, how and why you think is going on?

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(11/01/2013)[-]

this is really spot on about the medicine industry^^ www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUx4ZoiGgps ... also i didden't say its automaticly bad for you if someone profits for it i just mean that ofc people will tell you they're product is awesome no matter the ****** condition it's in because you'd buy a awsm product rather than a ****** one

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(11/01/2013)[-]

Either post some actual information, or shut the **** up.

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