To be fair, it's not the religion itself that's at fault here, its their twisted interpretation.

That is true but as a whole even the ones that don't belief in bombing places will still stone a girl to death for being raped or disown or even kill children that leave, marry outside the religion. Hell not to long ago a muslim family killed their daughter in an honor killing because she decided she wanted to go to University not only that but was dating a guy that was christian.

Again, thats a twisted interpretation. Although the Quran has a lot of out of date rules and practices, it's still has remained pretty accurate for a lot of things.

Raping is not a part of Islam. Raping and forced wedlock is a culture started because some dude a long time ago decided he wanted a harem or something. There are very few cultures that treat women bad. Those are the rednecks of Islam. Unfortunately, like any group of individuals, the worst are always shown the most, because the good ones never do anything negatively newsworthy. Think "Westboro Baptist Church."


Those that rape women will burn in hell, simply said. In Islam, we cannot have sex out of wedlock, and you need a consenting lady to even get married. None of that, "Marry my daughter, don't worry if she says no, she'll grow to like you" ******** . If she says no, the wedding is cancelled, period.

Now, if the man and women agree to marry, and the parents say no for no reason, guess what, the parents have no say.


TL;DR: I'm a Muslim, and I expressly hate people that rape or mistreat anyone, be it man or woman. It is NOT a part of religion. We Muslims are meant to treat even war prisoners as if they were our guests. If we treat our enemies with respect, why would you think we treat our allies with disrespect? The rapers are the rednecks of our kind, following made up fantasy religions.

Your comment makes no sense at all. You're calling muslims savages, then you say you don't hate the ones that respect the society they reside in....but then if they "stick to their religion" they can **** off.....


Seriously who dropped you on your head when you were younger? Or do your parents, who failed at raising an educated child, never talk about it?

what >>#162 is saying is that just because you call yourself something doesn't mean you ARE it.

I mean the intentions of a faith are worth only what the people who subscribe to said faith do with it.

You cannot be muslim and respect western society. Same as you cannot be Christian and respect the muslim society. You can be a 21st century person with a working brain and learn to tolerate and live together, but the two societies do not mix. They have values and morals that are direct opposites. It simply cannot work. Live and let live is the motto. And in Europe's case, live and let live somewhere else.

The issue with immigrants is not in particular that they are muslim, but that they are uneducated monkeys with previous century mindset and a twisted disinformed view of europe's society. They cannot even begin to comprehend what we have here and how it works, neither will their children. With a bit of luck maybe their children's children will start to. But by then we'll all be lying with our throats slit. Unless we finnaly show them the force, the one thing universal to all cultures. And the one and only thing these "barbarians" will understand.

If a self-described adherent of Islam respects Western customs and socially liberal values, who are you to say he is not a Muslim?

You are right. It is not my place to say. (Un)luckily, the absolute majority of key muslim leaders does that for me.

Should you and your wife/girlfriend/mother/sister whatever go on a holiday into a muslim country, you will not be allowed to behave or move freely outside of designated tourist zones and she will have to be wearing covering clothes at almost all times. Considering when muslims and their wifes come here they are free to act however they wish, that tells me more about muslims respecting our values then I could ever want to know. They do not think we are tolerant and progressive for allowing them to act and express freely within our society. They think we are weak, and that that weakness should be exploited. Such is the simple truth we refuse to see.

Until the muslim world frees itself from shackles of religion like the western world did two centuries ago, and general, secular, all-gender education becomes a thing we cannot treat them as the same people, because they simply are not.

Not that I advocate treating them like animals, but we need to be cautious when dealing with them, keep our distance and most importantly we cannot expect that people who have not had even what we consider the basics of education, can come here and live with us the same as we do.

How can the Islamic world be secularized without concepts of secularism being introduced, though? Modern theocracies like Saudi Arabia and Iran aren't merely tolerated by foreign nations, they're encouraged because they are of use economically. It is expedient for leaders to keep people in the dark because a superstitious populace is a pliable, controllable one, and if the Middle East is in a state of constant war... well, Metal Gear Solid 4 will partially become real.

I agree wholeheartedly that we need to be careful when letting people in from volatile places, Islamic or not. But unfair prejudice against them is a real thing that is itself an affront to Western values.

Aye, in many ways the west keeps pouring oil onto the flame, that's why I mentioned the keeping of distance. They do not want our meddling and we cannot help them anyway, the step from religious to secular states and from dictators to democracy is something every society must do itself, you can't force it on people. Sadly we do need their resources. Politics is a bitch. All the more reason to keep all the mess strictly contained in middle east and not let it spill over however.

Yes, it is unfair and prejudiced and a billion other things. But to them. They are not us. They did not build Europe with their sweat and blood. That was us. And with the same resolve we need to protect what we have. Our people need to come first, that is the only logical and stable way to keep your society together. Otherwise, what and who are we doing it all for. We need to remember who we are, we need to draw the line and stand firmly by it tart waving some flags again. We need to be unfair and harsh. That is the only way forward.

When Hungary as the first country in europe closed their borders they recieved a tremendous of flak. Yet no one had the right to say a thing. Hungary is hungarian and if they did not wish unhcecked hordes of foreigners on their soil then that is within their full right and no one can say a thing. Who then decides what should go on within a country other than it's people. The citizens are the highest authority and everything that is done should benefit them in the first place. Many european countries seem to have forgotten this simple thing. Funnily enough the only voices of reason in this mess that is the migration crisis are Hungary, Czech Republic, Poland And Slovakia. All countries that have been occupied and divided many times over in both recent and distant history, all countries that have had to constanly fight for their right to exist and their identity. Just about the only few countries in the european countries with some sense of national pride and identity still left within the general public.

Recently my country accepted thousands of refugees from Ukraine. Formerly czechs who have moved there in bulk in the 19th century. As they were caught in the middle of the conflict many requested repatriation and we aggreed to take them back paying for everything including their trip. They came here, were grateful to be here, started to re-learn the language as afast as they could and are slowly beggining to blend in. There were never any problems related to these people, despite us not introducing any form of indentity or background checks. Those were real and actual refugees.
Similarly many churches have a program where the church and it's flock adopt a christian from the war torn areas of middle east. They collect money to help them with their expenses, and volunteer to spend time with them to assist with shopping and introduce them to our way of life. No problems with any of these either. It is only the muslim "refugees" coming through us on their way to germany we have more issues than we can think of with. False documents, utter disrespect of authority, vandalism, death threats to state officials, littering... Not to mention we offer them all state asylum as per our law seeing as they claim to be refugees seeking help, but they all refuse it. They have no interest in our help. Their only interest is the german money. Last year we have brought over 3 muslim families with a military special because their children were sick and in need of medical treatment that could not be provided in any of the facilities available in middle east. One of those families never even bothered to go to the hospital and immediately ran into germany. And that was the whole family, not the usual young single good-for-nothings.

I used to be much much more liberal in my opinions not too long ago, I even aggreed with the idea to integrate the many refugees coming in then already, albeit in moderation. All that changed when I saw how they act.

It sounds like you have a lot of personal animosity towards them. I'm not European so I don't know how the situation exactly is, but I have heard a lot about people that say they used to be socially liberal until they saw how life "actually works", but this sounds like going from one kind of ignorant to another. All mainstream dialogue is ahistorical because even people who say they hate the history of their nations rarely know the complexities behind current events. These people are indoctrinated with anti-Western propaganda since birth, it's not inherent in Islam, regardless of whatever sect they arbitrary follow in it; it is the social engineering of the Saudi family, of the Iranian caliphate, etc, all people using faith as a tool to maintain power.

I absolutely agree that native Europeans should not be expected to suffer for it, but the government will never admit anything significant was their fault, and god knows the EU loves their oil bux.

I do. I did not use to have. I do now. Many europeans are now beggining to understand just how is it that Hitler was ever allowed to come to power, because we're getting dangerously close to that state. We are too far in for any simple measures to be taken. What needs to be done now is harsh and uncompromising. And even that is damn near angelic compared to what would have to be done about 10 years later, and there will always be someone crazy enough to do it. Any sensible people with a bit of foresight see this, you hear the voices rising from many politicians, or writers more and more, "let's cut off a few fingers before we have to cut the whole arm" sadly they are branded radical and racist and dismissed.

The situation here in europe is becoming critical. The citizens are being straight up lied to, the goverments attempt to control us via popular media, political corectness is being used as an excuse for shameless censorship, any criticism is dismissed as racism. The people are starting to radicalize, I myself being a good example, what used to be violent marches of skinheads and the radical right wing became public rallies of thousands of people, we are getting desperate, the politicians act out in complete oppossite to the public wishes. If you told the average european that you are going out to teach them immigrants some manners he won't join you yet, but he might just lend you a bat. What is now animosity and caution will be straight up hate soon enough.

And it's only getting worse. We didn't like them before, but after what happened in Koln and the whole of germany, and not just there, on new years... let's just say the tension is quickly increasing. Thousands of people robbed, hundreds of women sexually assaulted, rapes including underage girls. And what did the authorities do? No more than a couple dozen arrests were made that night, On the first of january the police reported there were no issues or unrest going on the previous night while the social media were alrady blowing up with what the **** is going on. It wasn't until 3 days later that the news and politicians finnaly reported on the thing, straight up lying and denying any connection to the "refugees". It wasn't until 5 days later that they admitted some of them were asylum seekers. It is only now that they are beggining to admit that all the perpetrators were in fact immigrants. When PEGIDA organized a rally to protest it was quickly dispersed with pepper spray and water cannons, with dozens of arrests being made. Where was police action like that on the new years eve? Even the ranking police officers rebelled and have spoken out en mass that they have been ordered to cover up the events of new years eve. We are being manipulated like sheep while our countries are being sold out. It's bad here in europe and it's only getting worse, we're on the track right for some sci-fi dystopia and if things continue the way they do we'll be there in no more then 10 years. Only this time there won't be stars with Jude on them, but half-moons with Muslim. Do I want that? Absolutely not. But I'd rather have that than have my daughter wear a burqa.

Now I think you're being pretty ******* paranoid, because even by lenient estimates, the situation still hasn't reached anything close to "critical mass", so to speak. It absolutely could, and this should be prevented, but nothing inhumane will be required. You should have been vetting and identifying them from the get-go, and getting rid of the entrants that commit crimes.

What's missing here is wondering what the ulterior motives are on part of the government and IMO, it's plain and simple neoliberalism, an attempt to flood the job market with young, fighting-age males without education and much lower standards for living. Automation is killing existing work and the native populace doesn't want to work for pennies like a useful idiot. Political correctness is a useful lens for analyzing how control is maintained, but it does not explain reasoning. What could the government and corporate investors possibly have to gain from it? Even people who demand such language policing in their own lives only want to avoid actual change while still feeling good about themselves, and the crisis definitely qualifies as change.

I feel like I should point out the root of the issue for clarity. We do not have a problem with them because they are not like us. We have a problem with them because they do not WANT to be like us. They come here, yet they do not want to live in Europe. They want to live in Saudi Arabia with benefits.

I wish I was being paranoid. i think on that myself pretty often. Then I go and read the news and I'm all set in my ways again. It's hard to convey if you're not here to soak the situation in yourself. As I said the media is being heavily manipulated, so little of the actual truth gets out. We ourselves barely get to know what's going on. I expect the rest of the world knows even less.

Aye, we should have been, but didn't I just talk about that? Even a mention of any sort of border control got you branded a racist and your opinion automatically dismissed. When Hungary finnaly said they've had enough of that **** they got ostracized by everyone except the Visegrad Four. Nobody even bothered to introduce any sort of border control. Basically every standing law that european union has about border control is being violated and very little is being done about it. The immigration laws and rules are so bent, impractical and chaotic that they are practically begging to be exploited. A dude without papers shows up in germany, says he lost them, makes up a name and origin and ta daa welcome to europe. And that's perfectly legal apparently. We cannot even send the criminals back, there is nowhere to send them back to. What authorities in Syria or Libya are there to take them over? How do we even know what their origin is anyway since none of them have any sort of valid papers?

There might be something like that somewhere at the bottom, or used to be at least. It's what officially started up the policy of open arms that's destroying us by now. We were drunk on equality and being open minded, wanting to take immigrants in, erase borders, take the European Union even further, thinking we could all live a better life together. I did say I shared in that train of thought before this whole thing too. We had no idea what were getting ourselves into then. The whole sharade has been taken over by leftist radicals and idealists who see the world through pink glasses since then. They are literally just letting them in for the sake of letting them in. When the swedish minister responsible for immigration had to announce they can't take any more in she actually broke down and cried. Her country is spending enormous funds on benefits, there is a housing shortage, swedish women can't walk past asylum centres without getting raped, sometimes even twice in a row, by different migrants (I'm not kidding this actually happened), majority of the immigrants has failed to find work even after months in the country, and the stupid cow feels sorry she can't take any more in. That's the kind of **** we have to deal with here. But god help you if you tell them to wash their hands after they take a **** in the shower, because that's racist. This also happened in one bavarian town where the mayor dared to print out a leaflet to combat the increasing hygiene crisis.

If you don't know what the full picture is because it's being withheld, then maybe you're more afraid of the government orchestrating it than the refugees involved? They control who comes in and out, after all, so it does follow. It could be exactly what they want: it's hard to understand the nuances of a governing body you have no experience with, but you can see the guy in front of you plain as day.

"There might be something like that somewhere at the bottom, or used to be at least. It's what officially started up the policy of open arms that's destroying us by now. We were drunk on equality and being open minded, wanting to take immigrants in, erase borders, take the European Union even further, thinking we could all live a better life together."

No offense, but that sounds pretty stupid when political instability is a fact of life outside of the first world; I say this as someone most Americans would consider far left. There's a difference between being intolerant and pragmatic, even if some imbeciles think they're one in the same.

Yes, that is a large part of the problem.There's a difference between what is actually happening and what they tell us. I did say political corectness became an excuse for censorship. The press avoids every mention of the word immigrant, or the colour of the skin of the criminals. In a recent women trafficking case in the UK the press has taken to calling the accused asian, to hide the fact they are muslim Paki's. But the truth still gets around. We're being lied to and manipulated, and that is probably what scares us the most. This politically correct madness and europe's identity crisis have been going for some time, a calamity waiting to happen. Immigration crisis was just the catalyst.

It was pretty stupid. But we believed it. It was working here just fine, all of europe is on farily similar values, national borders were all opened, one could go anywhere else in europe and your only obstacle was the language. The public opinion in most countries was shifting towards becoming a federation, to stand up to the pressure from both US and Russia and form our own block of power. But then came the economy crisis, all that stuff with the mediterranen countries, it was a pretty ugly wake up. So then of course euro scepticism was on the rise, people started to ask, what exactly are we and where are we going with this union thing and nobody could give a decent answer. You hear politicians talking about "european values" but nobody even knows what those are, we slipped from an economical crisis right into an identity one, suddenly Katalania wanted it's own state, Bavaria further independence from Germany, UK back out of the union, Greece still wanted money and Brussesls started to advocate taking in all the migrants they found in the mediterranen sea and forcibly placing them around into all EU countries by introducing quota. Then the migration crisis started and it was like pouring petrol on a forest fire.

You have no idea how much of the political process in europe is controlled by activists and has various stupid rules and boundaries. Our diverse histories are both a blessing and a course. Germans cannot be against multi-kulti because that gets them branded nazis and that is punishable by law. The **** that gets commited here in the name of cultural enrichment is increbile. And it has no good reason. The swedish got to where they are because they voted their goverment full of feminists and "progressive thinkers" in order to distance themselves from their past of colaboration, the swedes felt like they had something to attone for. So over the years their government distilled into radical and naive leftists who believe that sweden has no culture of it's own that needs to be protected. That they needed the immigrants to culturally enrich them, that they need to take in as much as possible regardless of the economical situation or social consequences.. And the EU administrative is full of naive nut-jobs like that. They aren't voted for they merely apply for the job and the whole European Union deal naturally draws these types of people to it. Someone who thinks there is something wrong with what the european union is doing and it's direction is not gonna go work for it now is he... Treat as if we have feminazis in the government because that is kinda what we have going on. Things were good so no one gave two ***** about politics so it was taken over by activists who were the last to still care. And suddenly there's a crisis and these people who couldn't find their own arse to stick their head into even if you gave them written instructions are supposed to rule us and solve it. And we can all see in the news how well that is going. After the attacks in Cologne, the mayor of the city, she herself female, suggested that the solution is women dressing modestly, moving in groups and keeping men at an arms length at all times. God forbid the migrants are at fault. Oh nonono, our women are. These people are some sort of cultural cucks.

"Germans cannot be against multi-kulti because that gets them branded nazis and that is punishable by law."

I'm not gonna lie, it sounds like the EU neo-liberal sprawl and "safe" restrictions on free speech set you down this path a long time ago.

Political correctness in its modern sense is a symptom, not a disease. A government isn't going to do things that make people extremely upset--including minorities of any kind--to prevent people from being offended. It makes zero sense.

Yes, like I said Europe has been having a major identity crisis in about the past 5 years. This whole thing with the migrants came at a terrible time. Everyone agrees we need to defend european values, except no one can quite agree on what they are. It's like we still have the last couple lines of the equasion missing but the teacher is asking us to hand in the test already.

Indeed it doesn't, which is why it's so shocking that they are doing it. Like I said the government officials have straight up lied to us on multiple occasions and have been exposed. In fact in the wake of Cologne many government cover ups regarding migrants are suddenly surfacing. Now lying to people like that makes them terribly upset, I'm sure they knew that. yet they did it. To protect whom exactly? The ones who committed the crimes? Themselves to cover their enormous **** up? It is quite clear that it was in no way beneficial to the citizens, that's for sure.

Catholics and Protestants say the same thing, too, claiming neither are the real Christians. And seeing as how the Catholic Church is basically a government I think that's a fair comparison.

But catholics and protestants do not stone each other for belonging to either church.

And the more important thing, the small percent willing to tolerate western society does not call the others non-muslim. They call them radicals. Radicals are not people who practise their religion incorrectly. They are merely people who practise it to the letter. And if you read the Quran you'll see that is the truth. The cutting heads off, the stoning, the taxes for other religions, slavery, the command to spread islam at all costs and with violenece, the option to lie about the nature of you religion when convenient... All those things. They are all written there within their holy books. And yes indeed, many such things are written within the bible too you could say. But we have not been doing them for 200 years now, meanwhile the muslims had no renaissance and enlightment age. Culturally they are still exactly the same they were more than a 100 years ago. Some enclaves even older than that.

Violence between Catholics and Protestants was not only a historical fact, but a recent one. Belfast, anyone?

I agree that the religions are ultimately what motivates individuals to commit atrocities, but religious violence through human history can be traced back directly to material conditions and economic circumstances. The Crusades, for example, are a common target by anti-Christian fedoras, but wealth and debt were a substantial factor.

The situation with the irish radicals is much more political then a simple case of religious unrest. They fought because thay wanted Ireland to Irish, not because the english were protestant. The difference of religion was just extra kindling for the already burning fire.

History is the key word here. We have long since moved on from that phase, the muslims have not, and as such don't even comprehend that we have and what that means. So in the end we have no option but to remember that europe was once christian and that our society is based on christian values. And that we have to defend ,uphold and build upon these values if we wish our children to live in a better world than we have. We are very much at war with the muslim world right now. Not with weapons, but with our values and morals and so far we are losing. Hell, right now, we are not even fighting back.

Thing is that the Middle East was on that track until being on said track meant no longer being an international oil reservoir, so the US and occasionally the UK put them in their place with more monarchism. Tehran used to be an avant-garde place before the Islamic revolution.

It was always on the verge of the abyss, the US were just giving it a push here and there. It is important to note that even before they are muslims the middle east is still actually a tribal society. One tribe can rule the country and drive it towards progress, while the rest remain radical and wait for the opportunity to ocme down from the mountains and put the country right back where it was a hundred years ago. Why do you think peace can never be achieved in middle eastern countries? it's because they do not want peace. They bloody hate each other almost as much as they do us. Why do you think the revolution in Syria happened? It is nothing but a tribal war of the other tribes against the ruling Alavites and Assad. And as soon as Assad was weak enough to let go of the reins they started fighting each other as well. Then the religious radicals saw an oppurtinity and threw their lot into it. It was the same **** in Iraq, it was the same **** in Libya, it was the same **** in Egypt. These people might have 21st century technology, but half of them still mentally lives in the dark ages and it's gonna be some hundreds of years before that changes, if it ever will. In the meanwhile we need to make sure they do not drag us back down with them as they would very much like to.

The revolution in Syria happened because people saw Al-Assad as an imperialist sockpuppet. It might not be true, but it's based on real concerns about his regime. The appeal of Islamism was very niche in some of these nations before complaints over puppet leaders reached an apex; the socially conservative Muslims seized the opportunity to appeal to populism. And when violence became a political norm, the same justifications were there: we aren't invading their nations, so we aren't inhuman for doing it.

These people felt exactly the same as people in Europe do now. All they wanted is their countries to not be used for economic pillaging. And while people skeptical of immigration policies generally mean well, there is a very real reactionary clique in Western European politics. I doubt they will ever gain power, but the savagery is still there. It simply does not matter because it is obsolete as a form of thought.

You are simply incorrect there. It happened because Assad and the Alavites were in power and while they were, they were getting preferential treatment. The other tribes obviously objected to that and rebelled at first opportunity, the movement quickly fell apart on accounts of it's perpetrators hating each other as much as they do Assad. They never wanted a better Syria, all they ever wanted was to be in Assad's place. They never had a common goal, just a common enemy and as soon as his immediate threat was gone they turned on each other.

I'm talking about the normies of Syrian society, the majority that get caught up in the game of thrones.

Besides, how else could he get "preferential treatment" than Western and Russian ass-kissing? He basically lived like a king.

"The majority of the syrian society" is what. As i just explained there is no such thing, only many minorities that hated each other. Syria was an assortment of tribes only held together by Assads dictatorship, the closest comparison I can give you is the USSR. Groups and ethnicities with little in common held together by sheer force. Such is the case for many middle eastern states, hence why the region is so unstable, as soon as the ruling power shows some weakness the whole thing falls apart.

Describing them as tribes is technically accurate, but this is because Syria is in the Fertile Crescent and these social groups are really, really ******* old. They are still involved in modern politics in the same way as any other political group. Some are pro-ISIS, others hate them, etc. if people in these tribes are savages, they are doing so either because of contemporary anti-Western indoctrination or a simple disregard for social norms.

Brings us right around to the start. Like I said. In my opinion it's gonna be some time before these groups learn to live together and our meddling doesn't help at all, but sadly we do need their resources. That's what I say it's best to just contain the mess and not let it spill anywhere else. It's heartless I know, but to me it seems the best for us and in the end that's what ot's about. If there is another option I don't see it. My favourite question on the topic is what would happen to the middle east if someone came up with a technology that made oil obsolete.

I would argue that doing nothing would only let the Middle East build up into an ISIS power keg and that Western powers' hands have already been forced, but to each his own.

Your last sentence is interesting, though. My guess is that governments would be desperately bribed to cover it up for a time before it put the industry out of business.

Bombing ISIS is about as helpful as a winter coat to a dead man. There's already multiple groups just as radical as ISIS waiting to step right in after them, should they dissappear. At least we'd stop giving them reasons to hate us even more than they already do. And without the common enemy in the area they might just get around to sorting things inbetween themselves.

Well, ISIS only came to power because foreign intervention left a large power vacuum. People willing to pledge allegiance to their Wahhabist cult weirdness (even by Muslim standards) are treated as citizens of a self-declared nation complete with public services and civil defense. So filling in that power vacuum again may be necessary.

im to the point where i just say **** em all. not my job to get to know everyone and decide if they're good or bad people. they want to be hated its not my ****** problem

Sticking to Islam and respecting other societies don't contradict each other.

Stop implying the opposite.

My points were
"sticking islamic belief"
and
"respecting another society" or simply "the society you're living in"

My point is, in the Qur'an it states to stick to contracts you made, not to lie to other people, not to force anyone to a belief, and instaed of crying around when a country restricts your options to follow Islamic law, but leave the country instead and go somewhere where you can.

You can't come to Germany and force everyone to not allow gay marriage for example. You don't even have to, it's not your responsibility.

The problem is, no right-wing extremist is going to tell you about those verses and show that the criminal and raping immigrants are acting AGAINST Islamic law.

that's why people should be really careful with generalizations. It's a pretty important issue nowadays.

Islam is defined by its sources, not by the retards who say they are acting in its name and have no actual idea

Sources are Hadith and the Qur'an. Everything else is manmade culture.

You speak as if Islam was the only warring religion in it's time. Know this, when the prophet Muhammad (PBUH) was leading the nation of Islam, all wars were retaliatory. They were either in defense, or to free Muslims that were being treated with injustice in another land. There was the message sent, "Stop oppressing our people, or we will free them", whoever ignored the warning, was attacked. The wars were the most civilized as well. The Muslims did not burn any books, trees, or houses. They did not kill women, children, the elderly, or any man who was fleeing. They did not attack out of anger. If you were about to strike down your enemy, and he spat at you, you should not kill him at that time, because it's no longer a kill for your religion, but of your anger.

Before you try to quote history at us, try to learn the history yourself.

Now we're to discussing history.

I have some knowledge about that stuff, but i'm afraid it's too limited to give a detailed and comprehensive answer.

It has something to do with The Middle Eastern leaders not letting the truth be spread peacefully and forcing the inhabitants to live in delusion and not as god wants them to.

wrong. As long as you're in a country you're bound to its laws. I mentionned that before.

And there is no war going on. Neither Germany nor Sweden nor any other country in the World is invading Syria.

Only a terrorist will ignore the verses in the Qur'an that tell you how to be peaceful and keep your contracts.

And you're using that word "Hadith". I don't know what you think it means, it's about what the prophet said and did. I just gave you one reason for his actions. Would have to look for the others.

Trust me dude, there's no point in trying to defend Islam on this site, I've tried too many times but no one here wants a legitimate discussion. A lot of people think that if they diss religion that makes them Bill ******* Nye

the irony of that is it just separates people more and causes them to show hostility towards another. Not just with Islam and the west but all of the other social issues. At times where we have to overcome the hatred and madness in the world there are those who want to follow their own agenda of what they think is right but in fact hurts each other more.

might sound like a childish dream but it'd be all the better if we could look at one another as people and not as enemies and that goes for everyone.

wrong.

Kick out criminals, keep an eye on the people you let in

My point with generalizations is that

feminazis complain about all men being the same,
fedorists complain about all women being the same
extreme rightwings complain about all immigrants being worthless criminals,
white supermacists complain about blacks being generally inferior
Dindus complain that all whites are privileged racists

Not Islamic.

According to Islam having sex out of marriage is (if it can be proven) to be punished with 70 whiplashes in public, if the guy is actually married and cheats on his wife or the other way round and several conditions are met it can go up o the death penatly.

And the Sharia doesn't have to merge int the Western culture. This is a democratic continent, if the majority is for a law it gets passed, if not, everything stays the same.
And there is seriously no reason for anything to change at the moment. There are no laws restricting your from practicin your belief.

Now you're just wrong. Your examples violate Islamic law

It's WRONG to murder a girl for te deeds of someone else, hell, that's so basic it feels silly to write this down . I know you're referring o what happened in Saudi Arabia. But as i said, it's a dictatorship of retards. Nether the king nor his now dead father could even speak arabic properly without grammatical errors in every second word. It's just pathetic.

Or cutting the hand for stealing.
That rule only applies when, like, 10 criteria are met, some of them being
>the person mustnot have been in NEED
>the stolen good must have been of actual value, nothing silly
>the thing must have been kept safe, not lying around publicly so everyone could have taken it
>the guy stealing must be Muslim
>must be of certain age
>must have heard of that law.
Also, the prosecutor has to prove that those criteria are met.

The problem is that the media will never tell you the whole story. Because then things would be boring

I'm not saying those actions are reasonable, I'm actually showing you that those things are illegal by Islam, that it's not some inhumane terror as some people imagine.

"Any nonbeliever doesn't count as human"
Bruh, practucally everyone is a nonbeliever before converting. And there ARE rules defined, why do you say there aren't? There are or nowadays, were because of the dangerous situation Christian and Jewish families living since before Islam in Syria, with their churches and synagogues. Careful with wrong statements bro.

And what i'm saying isn't westernized. It's taught to me from my father who was taught in a mosque in the midst of damascus from ca. 1955 to 1975. So much to westernization.

And don't come and tell me that OTHERS will tell me that i'm not a real Muslim. that majority you're talking about is not living a "different" version of Islam, but just not caring about its laws LIKE, no regular prayers, taking drugs,. The idea that the majority of Muslims wants to eradicate the West and kill people is absolute ******** .
The problem is that the most stupid people cry the loudest.

"If a high amount of strong faither Muslims

doesn't follow those rules"
First of all, then they are not strong faither Muslims
Second, the people who want to destroy Europe and the West are a stupid tiny minority. But as i said, they make the news, not the millions and millions of innocent people practicing their belief. That's boring.

Provided the other societies pay you a tax in gold so they can live in the same community you do of course. Sure christianity had ****** up laws too, but we dealt with that **** during renaissance and the industrial revolution. These people came here straight from the goat herding.

i am the living proof, you faggot cock

but first thing you have to do is come out from your basement

Exactly. This dude may be from a different place and religion but he is a beta virgin like all of us.

I laugh, but it hurts a little

It always hurts.

Well the cool peaceful muslims who believe we all share a god and **** . Not the goat ******* .

Given you are being a close minded prick right now, you are hardly in a position to judge. Nice to know people that come from a bloody and violent country and religion, can be more open minded and tolerant than your ass.

Oooh got his ass.

holy run-on sentences batman

**** you. it's Funny Junk, filled with idiots. who cares about grammar?

But... I care about my grandma D: