So you agree with me? Racial pride and National pride - #104194601 added by yofutofu at Joseph Smith, Early Mormon

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#12 - anon id: a48bc6b6

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I hate how in todays world it's impossible to be proud of your white heritage without being called a racist kkk member or skin head. I am white and I am ******* proud of it. It's not fair. Black kid: BLACK POWER! Latino kid: LATIN PRIDE! White kid: WHITE POWER! Everyone: RACIST ASS CRACKER! I am proud of my history and what we accomplished. I did not do those horrible things to people so stop ******* blaming me for them. Black people act like they were the only people who were enslaved. More than a million Europeans were enslaved by North Africans between 1530 and 1780. So for now on i'm going to personally blame every single black person I see for what their ancestors did to my ancestors 200 years ago... oh wait... that's ******* stupid... white people took over almost the entire planet and i'm damn proud of that. I don't have to ******* check my "white privileges" every time I leave my god damn house, shut the **** up.

#91 to #12 - Calculon

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(10/18/2013) [-]

What's there to be proud of? That's like saying I'm proud to have brown hair or proud to have 2 legs. It's not an achievement to be proud of.

#77 to #12 - anon id: ff4f2105

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(10/18/2013) [-]

a lot of people I know personally ( I'm not saying this applies to you ) say they love being white because of the "white privileges" or stereotypes that come along with being white. The same privileges they claim they don't have.

#75 to #12 - hoponthefeelstrain

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You're refuse to take the blame or feel guilty for how white people treated others, but you wanna take pride and joy in them almost completely taking over the world? Killing natives, raping their women and forcing their religion on everyone, thats something to be proud about? I'm not saying be ashamed I just don't think it's something to boast about. Especially since, as you put it, it had nothing to do with you.

#81 to #75 - heartlessrobot

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Should black people be ashamed of the fact that their ancestors raped and murdered too? Should all Japanese people feel bad about the Rape of Nanking? And almost completely taking over the world is definitely something to be proud of, but successfully taking over the world would be a greater accomplishment.

#83 to #81 - hoponthefeelstrain

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(10/18/2013) [-]

I'm just pointing out how you want to acknowledge all the good and none of the bad.

And I do feel ashamed when I see that some random black guy did x x and x in the news, because it makes the race as a whole look bad. People already assume I'm violent and illiterate, last thing they need is a bunch of news stories to make them even more cautious around me.

#84 to #83 - heartlessrobot

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I personally am not racist, but I feel people would think less of me if I were to say, sleep with a black dude. I don't give a **** about skin color, I don't give a **** about background, but no matter how hard I try, I always care even a little about what other people think of me, and it's annoying, since I try so hard to not care about that kind of stuff.

#87 to #84 - hoponthefeelstrain

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(10/18/2013) [-]

this is why I try my best in school and always control my temper, I have to prove these racist assholes wrong. My boyfriend is white and people always act so surprised when I mention this. Some of his friends make racist jokes but I doubt they mean any real harm.

I feel like black men and white women interracial couples get a little more criticism because they feel like the girl is a slut and the boyfriend only wants her cause she's white.

And I don't like it when people try and tell me racism is gone, because I've had plenty of guy friends say " you're pretty for a black girl or I'd date you but I don't date black girls" ect ect.

#88 to #87 - heartlessrobot

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(10/18/2013) [-]

I'd totally date a black girl. Or most girls. Or guys. I still have general standards about appearance though. Only problem is a lot of the guys I like are straight and the girls I like are lesbian.

#89 to #88 - hoponthefeelstrain

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Yea I don't expect you to lower your standards or anything, just why would those guys feel the need to mention that? it was just rude.

#90 to #89 - heartlessrobot

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Yeah, it's pretty ******* stupid how people go about that. Skin color shouldn't be an issue. Unless you're "spray-tan orange". Then there's a little issue. But making a decision based on race is retarded. I really hope people stop thinking that way.

#92 to #90 - hoponthefeelstrain

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(10/18/2013) [-]

spray tan orange lol or "leather couch complexion" from tanning too often.

#94 to #92 - heartlessrobot

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(10/18/2013) [-]

Yeah, I avoid the sun. Last time I got a bit of sun, it was a 20 mile kayaking trip, no sunscreen. Sun poisoning sucks. I prefer being pasty pale, but I'm pretty sure I already got skin cancer.

#95 to #94 - hoponthefeelstrain

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Sun poisoning is a thing? O.o

#96 to #95 - heartlessrobot

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It's sun burn so bad that it makes you blister.

#100 to #96 - hoponthefeelstrain

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(10/18/2013) [-]

that's depressing...

#105 to #100 - heartlessrobot

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(10/18/2013) [-]

Yeah, it's absolutely horrible. I have scars on my arms from it.

#74 to #12 - anon id: ff4f2105

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(10/18/2013) [-]

You do know north africans are arabs right? So you should blame Arabians not black people.

#53 to #12 - joikacake

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(10/17/2013) [-]

“Pride should be reserved for something you achieve or obtain on your own, not something that happens by accident of birth. Being Irish isn't a skill... it's a ******* genetic accident. You wouldn't say I'm proud to be 5'11"; I'm proud to have a pre-disposition for colon cancer.”

- George Carlin

Seriously, being proud of something you had nothing to do with, e.g. race or nationality does nothing to better the world we live in. This is one of the things governments exploit to unite the people against a common enemy, and only generates hatred towards others.

#57 to #53 - ivroht

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(10/17/2013) [-]

How sad I feel for you, that you might actually believe that.

#66 to #57 - joikacake

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(10/18/2013) [-]

Well, I am open for debate. If you have any good arguments, please share and I might change my mind.

#30 to #12 - fogglebeast

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(10/17/2013) [-]

Why are you proud of something that you had no involvement in? I can understand why you'd be proud of an accomplishment you yourself had partaken in, but being proud because you share specific traits with some people in the past that did something... it baffles me.

Or is it because you have nothing to be proud of that you've done yourself, so you extract your self-esteem from other people?

#39 to #30 - anon id: a48bc6b6

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(10/17/2013) [-]

Because it is my people, my heritage. I like my history. It is in my DNA. I share the same genes as those people. They are my bloodline. This is why I am proud of them. I am a part of them and they are a part of me.

#27 to #12 - anon id: ff4038d4

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(10/17/2013) [-]

>I take personal pride in what my ancestors accomplished
>Why do you blame me for all the terrible things my ancestors did!? I didn't personally do them, it was before my time!

#22 to #12 - nervaaurelius

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(10/17/2013) [-]

My friend I'm not sure if you realize this but there are festivals such as Italian, Greek, and German festivals that allow you to be proud of your culture than are in major cities. I have seen people say theyre proud of their heritage and not be deemed racist about it. The whole reason "white pride" itself is seen as bad is because who else says it besides skinheads? Honestly if you want to start bitching about not being able to say "white pride" you should be going to stormfront instead and bitch to them for causing a bad name for the word. If you know what you're heritage is and say "i'm a proud swede, irishman, scot" or whatever no one will have anything against you.

#26 to #22 - anon id: a48bc6b6

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You see this is the problem with the United States these days. There's no ******* unity. No one is willing to call themselves AMERICAN! "Nooo i'm Dominicannnn, i'm Cuban, i'm Russia, I'm Italian." You are a citizen of the United States of America, you are American. Be proud of it. We need to stop all of this separation we do and join together as Americans.

#48 to #26 - anon id: 99ca2998

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(10/17/2013) [-]

That is one of the stupidest things I have ever read.

#52 to #48 - anon id: a48bc6b6

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(10/17/2013) [-]

What's so stupid about it? Don't just make a statement without explaining it.

#59 to #52 - ivroht

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(10/17/2013) [-]

Please do not feed the troll! ;)

#64 to #59 - anon id: a48bc6b6

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(10/18/2013) [-]

... what? I'm not a troll. What the ****? So because you don't agree with me i'm automatically a troll? Wow you're a ******* idiot...

#65 to #64 - ivroht

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(10/18/2013) [-]

And you're trolling. Quid pro quo.

#73 to #65 - anon id: a48bc6b6

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No i'm not. Why do you think that? I'm not allowed to have a differing opinion now? What the **** is wrong with you? Seriously... This is my honest opinion but for whatever reason you insist i'm a troll. It doesn't make any sense at all.

#15 to #12 - anon id: 53860710

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> More than a million Europeans were enslaved by North Africans between 1530 and 1780

I did not know this, I didn't think I could hate Islam even more just by reading this sentence

#51 to #15 - nervaaurelius

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(10/17/2013) [-]

Guess how many slaves Christians enslaved in that time period.

#20 to #15 - anon id: a48bc6b6

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(10/17/2013) [-]

Yeah **** all of those filthy towel headed terrorists.

#13 to #12 - yofutofu

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(10/17/2013) [-]

If it makes you feel any better, i think anyone who is proud of their race is stupid. Not just white people.

#138 to #13 - douthit

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(10/18/2013) [-]

I agree, since it's something you have no control over. However, I sympathize with the anon above you, because in a way white folks are kinda made to feel like crap with everyone else proudly touting their own qualities, and we're oddly left out.

#29 to #13 - ivroht

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(10/17/2013) [-]

One of the stupidest things I've heard this month.

You win the interwebz.

#24 to #13 - dbBlues

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(10/17/2013) [-]

Amen my brother.

#18 to #13 - anon id: a48bc6b6

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(10/17/2013) [-]

I'm allowed to be proud of my heritage, there's nothing wrong with that.

#19 to #18 - yofutofu

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Yes there is something wrong with that, you're proud of the fact that your parents had sex, and you ended up the same race as them. Kinda stupid if you ask me. Go be proud of your own achievements instead of trivial things like race.

#28 to #19 - ivroht

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(10/17/2013) [-]

Tard. We're not asking you, you faceless drone.

#32 to #28 - yofutofu

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(10/17/2013) [-]

Instead of crudely insulting people who have beliefs that differ from yours, try responding with logical criticisms of their points.
Life lessons from yofutofu.

#33 to #32 - ivroht

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(10/17/2013) [-]

Like you did? Yah. I see that. Pompousness, boy...

#35 to #33 - yofutofu

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(10/17/2013) [-]

I did respond to him properly. refer to comment 19.
You see, i didn't insult him personally, and my statements where backed up with my reasoning. I didn't just say "Tard, where not asking you, faceless drone".

#37 to #35 - ivroht

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(10/17/2013) [-]

Dude, you said he was wrong (your opinion), called him stupid (your opinion) and said his point was trivial (your opinion).

Just because you've got an excuse doesn't mean it's fair or polite or dignified or civilized.
As ye sow, so shall ye reap.

#38 to #37 - yofutofu

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(10/17/2013) [-]

You are misreading, i didn't say that HE was stupid, i said that having pride in your race is stupid. It would be the same as me having pride in my gender, i had nothing to do with me being a man so why would i go around saying i'm proud of my genetic configuration? Pride should be reserved for achievements.

#46 to #38 - ivroht

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Ah. Another liberal pseudo-Marxist socialist nonsense-monger, eh?

Belonging to a race and demonstrating the worthy and even noteworthy attributes of that race is worthy of pride. The hospitality of the Irish and the Scots, for example.

Belonging to a race that plays its part in the world and taking its role and responsibility to its poorer neighbours seriously, reached by dint of electing leaders which represent your values, is worthy of pride. The fervour of the Americans or the charity of the Swiss, for example.

Two Prime grounds why one may take pride in their race and should be ever-vigilant to uphold such in the face of challenge and all the risk that comes with it.

Patriotism insures citizens keep an eye on their leaders.

To think otherwise is to cast yourself adrift on a sea of irresponsibility and look after only your own ass for altruistic motives.

Total.
Crock.
Of ****.
Seriously.

#49 to #46 - yofutofu

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(10/17/2013) [-]

You see, you are listing examples of national pride, not racial pride.
National pride is usually associated with race but they are two separate things.

#56 to #49 - ivroht

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So, the Irish, Scots, Americans and Swiss are nations but not races? Dude, are you on drugs?

Do you even *own* a dictionary?

Obvious troll is obvious. I pity the fool.

#58 to #56 - yofutofu

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(10/17/2013) [-]

Is Scottish a race? Is American a race? No, someone does not have to be born in Scotland and be white to be Scottish.

#61 to #58 - ivroht

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(10/17/2013) [-]

Pick.

Up.

A.

Dictionary.

Who said anything about being white? Being born somewhere is only a patrial characteristic. Are there no other skin-colours in Scotland? Get a grip.

What are you? 12?

#62 to #61 - yofutofu

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(10/18/2013) [-]

So you agree with me? Racial pride and National pride are two different things.

#63 to #62 - ivroht

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(10/18/2013) [-]

Ah. Trying to change the basis, eh? But I've caught you out. You were declaiming the boy for being proud of his heritage, and embodying those parts, be it skin tone, national boundaries, characteristics, or hair colour, he has a right to be proud if it. You are seemingly unable to divorce the description from the embodiment.

Poor you.

I abandon this attempt to teach a fish to ride a bicycle.

#67 to #63 - yofutofu

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(10/18/2013) [-]

I think you have misunderstood me, I am perfectly fine with national pride because one can change and chose their nationality. I am against racial pride because it is impossible to switch races/put in effort to become a different race. I am totally okay if you don't want to continue this conversation because topics like these are difficult to discuss online.

#142 to #67 - ivroht

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(10/18/2013) [-]

They are indeed. But we clearly are working from different understanding of what race means. While you might change your passport, how does that change your make-up? Not at all and first and how much further afterwards?

As ol' Freud put it, the super-ego is defined and set by your background and upbringing and ultimately what makes us who we are. Your skin colour is as much as part of that as anything else, there is no reason not to take pride in every part of who and what you are.

It was not suggested in the OP that aggrandizement was the next step.

#123 to #67 - conebonesixtynine

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(10/18/2013) [-]

I'm amazed of how easily you talked rationally about this topic without giving up to the sweet sweet temptation of calling him a well deserved insult for his narrow mind.
Kudos to you Yofutofu.
YFW replying to his every comment.

#141 to #123 - ivroht

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(10/18/2013) [-]

A broader and more open perspective represents a narrower mind?

Interesting concept...

#44 to #38 - anon id: a48bc6b6

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(10/17/2013) [-]

My grandfather fought in the Korean war and you better bet your damn ass i'm ******* proud of him for it.

#45 to #44 - yofutofu

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(10/17/2013) [-]

You are proud of him, not yourself though for having your grandfather fight in Korea. Subtle but crucial difference.

#47 to #45 - ivroht

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(10/17/2013) [-]

And yet it makes him proud to be the race he is because that race does the kinds of things his grandfather did.

None so blind as those who will not see.

#50 to #47 - yofutofu

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(10/17/2013) [-]

Just because he has that pride, doesn't mean it's logical to have. It's like saying you're right because you're the offended person in the situation.

#72 to #50 - oedad

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It is illogical to have pride in anything you accomplish because you exist for reasons beyond your control and accomplished those things only because others came before you and opened the path or helped you along the path to your accomplishment. Every doctor depends solely on his professors teachings every engineer can attribute his success to the professors of the engineering program who taught him the tools necessary to accomplish his job. Even Einstein and Newton would have been nothing if not for the hundreds of predecessors and thousands of years of knowledge they inherited through which they were able to meld previous knowledge together into a new understanding. We can take credit for nothing in life because everything we do depends on someone else's previous work.

#55 to #50 - ivroht

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(10/17/2013) [-]

Yes, that^s exactly what it does because it is the logical extension of what his grandfather had. Are you hallucinating?

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