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vulcanrainbow (11/15/2015) [-] Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)
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alfonshister (11/15/2015) [-] Classic Citation.
But nobody bothers to add that this is what do do during wartime and that
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IN THE EXACT VERSE BEFORE_
it tells you to keep any form of contract made.
what does this show us? People will bend the truth and keep information away from you just to support their agenda.
Don't trust politics on FJ
But nobody bothers to add that this is what do do during wartime and that
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IN THE EXACT VERSE BEFORE_
it tells you to keep any form of contract made.
what does this show us? People will bend the truth and keep information away from you just to support their agenda.
Don't trust politics on FJ
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alfonshister (11/15/2015) [-] i understand your argument.
the problem is, that two wrongs don't make a right
also, this doesn't work when you're talking with a atheist!
But i'm glad you're against the generalizations that are going on. This really really is an issue these days.
Hope your're fine. Have a wonderful evening!
the problem is, that two wrongs don't make a right
also, this doesn't work when you're talking with a atheist!
But i'm glad you're against the generalizations that are going on. This really really is an issue these days.
Hope your're fine. Have a wonderful evening!
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vulcanrainbow (11/15/2015) [-] sorry man I didn't even mean to reply to you I meant to reply to takebackthewest
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takebackthewest (11/15/2015) [-] Isis lines up around 200 children on the ground and then executes every one of them with automatic machine guns.
Let me guess, Islam is a religion of peace, and we shouldn't judge the group by the few lone bad apples?
Idc if most moslems don't kill people. Your culture is not compatible with mine. I advise all moslems, peaceful and mujahadeen alike, to get the hell out of European countries before the racewar starts. White Europeans are notoriously good at killing muds en mass.
www.express.co.uk/news/world/618162/Islamic-State-ISIS-video-gunning-down-children
Let me guess, Islam is a religion of peace, and we shouldn't judge the group by the few lone bad apples?
Idc if most moslems don't kill people. Your culture is not compatible with mine. I advise all moslems, peaceful and mujahadeen alike, to get the hell out of European countries before the racewar starts. White Europeans are notoriously good at killing muds en mass.
www.express.co.uk/news/world/618162/Islamic-State-ISIS-video-gunning-down-children
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alfonshister (11/15/2015) [-] Mass murderers are gonna mass murderer.
That's not a thing of religion sweetheart
That's not a thing of religion sweetheart
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takebackthewest (11/15/2015) [-] Right, so it makes no difference that they are killing in the name of Allah?
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alfonshister (11/15/2015) [-] If i kill my neighbour in your name, does that mean i'm your follower?
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takebackthewest (11/15/2015) [-] Your argument is based in false equivalence. A lone gunman and thousands of moslems enacting jihad are two different beasts
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alfonshister (11/15/2015) [-] Okay,
If millions of people gun down their neighbours in your name, are they your followers?
HInt: people count as followers if they actually do what they are told to, not if they make up their own rules
If millions of people gun down their neighbours in your name, are they your followers?
HInt: people count as followers if they actually do what they are told to, not if they make up their own rules
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takebackthewest (11/15/2015) [-] "people count as followers if they actually do what they are told to, not if they make up their own rules"
That may be the case if you are following an actual human being, but they aren't. They are following a centuries old book that is so ambiguous that you could find justification for almost any act within its pages. Just like all religious Zealots.
That may be the case if you are following an actual human being, but they aren't. They are following a centuries old book that is so ambiguous that you could find justification for almost any act within its pages. Just like all religious Zealots.
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alfonshister (11/15/2015) [-] If you actually read it you would notice that finding "justifications for almost any act" is simply not possible.
As someone who read that book i think i it's safe to say that.
As someone who read that book i think i it's safe to say that.
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takebackthewest (11/15/2015) [-] I have read the Bible, a good portion of the Quran, and also some of the Talmud.
All three of these Religions condone barbaric acts. And although the Talmud is by far the sickest of the Abrahamic three, the others have also been used, many times throughout history, in justification for bloodshed.
For example, you said in response to my 1st comment the quran quote "But nobody bothers to add that this is what do do during wartime " as if it changes the meaning of the quote, when it does not. Who declares war? Is this quote not viable if it is the jihadis that declare war?
All three of these Religions condone barbaric acts. And although the Talmud is by far the sickest of the Abrahamic three, the others have also been used, many times throughout history, in justification for bloodshed.
For example, you said in response to my 1st comment the quran quote "But nobody bothers to add that this is what do do during wartime " as if it changes the meaning of the quote, when it does not. Who declares war? Is this quote not viable if it is the jihadis that declare war?
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alfonshister (11/15/2015) [-] That's the second step bro. The hadith.
And if you look that up you can see that the only option at the moment is a defensive war. When someone attacks you
You have no right to take other people's posession. that's stealing.
So your last statement is correct. It's not war when a group of terrorists starts making trouble.
Except if they attack you. then these rules apply on them.
And if you look that up you can see that the only option at the moment is a defensive war. When someone attacks you
You have no right to take other people's posession. that's stealing.
So your last statement is correct. It's not war when a group of terrorists starts making trouble.
Except if they attack you. then these rules apply on them.
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takebackthewest (11/15/2015) [-] Ya and if everybody believed as you do, then it wouldn't matter. But obviously that is not the case.
listen to the Imams in this video. What are they advocating if not holy war? Listen to the hundreds if not thousands of moslems chanting " **** the UK" and so on. Is this the peaceful religion you talk about? because I don't see it.
listen to the Imams in this video. What are they advocating if not holy war? Listen to the hundreds if not thousands of moslems chanting " **** the UK" and so on. Is this the peaceful religion you talk about? because I don't see it.
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alfonshister (11/15/2015) [-] That is not Islam. These are people doing illegal stuff.
I mean, the Qur'an itself says, that in case you can't do what god tells you to, to move somewhere where you actually can. not "destroy a society" "terrorize people" or break laws. Leave that country.
Everything else is against islamic law.
What i want people to understand is
Just because people call themselves Muslims, doesn't mean they are.
If their actions go against what the religion tells the to, they just aren't its followers.
And by the way. i watched the first few seconds and there is already a wrong translation. I wouldn't trust someone who has to fake evidence.
I mean, the Qur'an itself says, that in case you can't do what god tells you to, to move somewhere where you actually can. not "destroy a society" "terrorize people" or break laws. Leave that country.
Everything else is against islamic law.
What i want people to understand is
Just because people call themselves Muslims, doesn't mean they are.
If their actions go against what the religion tells the to, they just aren't its followers.
And by the way. i watched the first few seconds and there is already a wrong translation. I wouldn't trust someone who has to fake evidence.
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takebackthewest (11/15/2015) [-] So they are not following your true Islamic belief hence they are not moslems?
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alfonshister (11/15/2015) [-] that's what i wanted to get off my chest. yes.
they don't fulfill the criteria to be Muslims.
But they fulfill the criteria to be worthless scum.
they don't fulfill the criteria to be Muslims.
But they fulfill the criteria to be worthless scum.
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takebackthewest (11/15/2015) [-] Well I agree with you on that last part. So let's be constructive.
How do we seperate the radical from the peaceful? Since the extremists would likely pose as peacefuls to avoid detection.
How do we seperate the radical from the peaceful? Since the extremists would likely pose as peacefuls to avoid detection.
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alfonshister (11/15/2015) [-] That's a good question. the only solution to that problem would be to not let anyone in.
Then again you have the problem that you don't help the people in need.
Well. How about public punishmend of those who violate the law and Zero tolerance with criminals?
I see the problem. But i think we have the right question now. How can we assure we don't let terrorists into our countries?
Then again you have the problem that you don't help the people in need.
Well. How about public punishmend of those who violate the law and Zero tolerance with criminals?
I see the problem. But i think we have the right question now. How can we assure we don't let terrorists into our countries?
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takebackthewest (11/15/2015) [-] You see the problem then? Europe's leaders have gone and ****** that up already. thousands have crossed into the EU without documentation or registration. There is no way to tell jihadi from non.
Unless the moslem community outs the jihadi, which isn't going to happen unless severe measures are taken, we have no choice but to deport em all.
The only other option I see is annexing part of Europe and handing it over to the migrants. Which would mean kicking indigenous Europeans out of their homes. Not really an option in my book.
Maybe deportation with option to reapply legally, with strict quotas to keep immigration to a minimum, could work. idk. looks pretty bleak.
Unless the moslem community outs the jihadi, which isn't going to happen unless severe measures are taken, we have no choice but to deport em all.
The only other option I see is annexing part of Europe and handing it over to the migrants. Which would mean kicking indigenous Europeans out of their homes. Not really an option in my book.
Maybe deportation with option to reapply legally, with strict quotas to keep immigration to a minimum, could work. idk. looks pretty bleak.
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alfonshister (11/15/2015) [-] Why can't everyone present his arguments as good as you?
No seriously, i'm really really glad to see there is a human being worried about people's well being and who wants to solve the problem.
You made me happy. I'm sorry if i was too harsh in some of my comments.
the questions "Who to let in?" and "Where to put them?" remain.
Have a nice evening!
No seriously, i'm really really glad to see there is a human being worried about people's well being and who wants to solve the problem.
You made me happy. I'm sorry if i was too harsh in some of my comments.
the questions "Who to let in?" and "Where to put them?" remain.
Have a nice evening!
