North Korea has a 6000 standing cyberarmy. They are incredibly technologically advanced for someone stuck in the soviet era. They also happen to have Nuclear arms, as well as scud missiles, anti air, radar equipment, trained pilots, one of the largest trained military forces in the world, and not to mention China would proxy supply them if they had to in the name of destroying the greater evil, and America is still actively fighting ISIS along with most of the rest of the free world. So all it would really be is China and NK getting more actively involved in the fight against ISIS. But if we are talking a straight 1 on 1, still North Korea.
NK could imho invade Japan or SK and win.
I really doubt that in all-out was ISIS would stand ANY chance.
NK is very organized and if we forget about preparations or international logistics, NK is by far superior. Even though they lack in modern tech, ISIS doesn't even have 10% of the tech or trained soldiers available for NK.
ISIS has some dosed Abrams which they stole from Iraqis. NK can counter that with 100 T-80 and modern anti-tank missiles.
Don't underestimate NK.
Even USA, if ever any confrontatin with NK will happen, will probably use air and naval superiority, as it would be stupid to waste US soldier lives fighting against 10x bigger ground force (maybe not as well equipped, but then again they would easily opt to sacrifice 10 koreans to kill one American. and they wouldn't lack people recources.)
I feel like where the war happens is also important; both factions are very hard to fight on their own territory and don't really have the means to transport themselves.
North Korea would probably just resort to nukes, and then a good part of the world will get radioactive fallout.
Considering that the entire Korean arsenal is smaller than the Fat Man and with fewer numbers than Lithuania, I'd say a "good part" is an overstatement.
Maybe Jerusalem would experience some radioactivity problems, but beyond that, no major towns or tourist attractions would be close enough to have to deal with the fallout, and that's assuming KJU launches the entire arsenal in the most ideal pattern.
Problem with USA was that they follow rules (Geneva convention, civilian killing is bad, no chemicalweapons, etc).
I sincirely believe Koreans would not endeavor in such silly thingies and just murder every single one. No people, no problems.
i would love to see what NK's strategy would be though, it would have to the most genius invasion strategy of all time considering what resources they have available.
both places are hard to invade. Both groups have no diplomatic agreements anywhere, so NK can't really get through anywhere to get into the middle east and ISIS has no where to get to NK. So a war between them is highly unlikely.
then again, to balance out isis being better with modern equipment, north korean soldiers are trained much harder. i bet they're stronger physically and more organized. let me put it this way, isis is like a well-equipped cockroach whereas north korean soldiers are spiders. not sure if that makes any sense but whatever.
You have a problem. With that Theory. Gonna have to go on NK if international intervention isn't taken.
NK
1. Better Trained Soldiers
2. Old hand me down soviet **** . Alot of it.
3. Despotism political views and there is nothing stopping NK from going into the Middle east and Killing Terrorist and Innocent alike. Without even caring about its own people.(Plebe force go)
4. Plus lack of computers makes them sorta immune to that crap. Cause they pretty much have nothing to hack. Though when it comes down to technology that is also a weakness for Modern day militaries.
ISIS
1. Not even a real military. Just a group marching on Zeal with terror tactics.
2. They hide behind civilians(I doubt the North Koreans would even care.)
3. Can use a computer but still are on par technologically with North Korea being not even a real country.
4. Sounds spookier than they really are so will rely on more guerrilla warfare like most rebelling forces through history. They really won't be able to go toe-to-toe.
It just really comes down to if North Koreans don't blast entire cities with piss not really giving a damn. ISIS would have a edge of knowing the land if its in the Middle East. So their hit and run terror tactics will get them a lot of kills. Yet in the end. It really comes down to if North Koreans cares enough to fight like the enemies ISIS has been fighting sofar. Limiting civilian casualties trying not to hurt innocent people oooooor they just unload Katyushas into towns, oil rigs, and swarm in there with man power.
tl;dr Regardless the winner of this fight I will have to admit. Would be China. China won't put up with ISIS marching through it to get to NK or NK marching through China to piss on someone else. Cause China is a buffer zone to North Korea. So what ever happens China will win.
NK actually has hackers and people pretty well trained to use computers. It's just the normal civilians who aren't allowed to use them. Also NK might have ******* nukes so this isn't even a contest.
the only places they could nuke are their neighboring countries. launch range is very short on what they have. and blast radius is maybe like what? 10 blocks? lol " **** yeah we destroyed their mall! that'll show 'em" rofl
plus the fallout. and while they may seem "weak" when comparing to western powers, their standing military(as pointed out below) is extremely huge, about 4 times the size of isis supposed military. and unlike isis, they have actual training and better equipment.
its not a competition. just about any nation with standing army would win h2h fight with any terrorist organization when it comes down to it.
well no **** . my point wasn't that they could win against a terrorist organization. my point was that their army is weak as **** . and 1 million active malnourished soldiers is not huge by a long shot. and their military weaponry and artillery are seriously outdated. and their nuclear capabilities might be as real as their cardboard cutout fruits they exhibit in their stores. they can't get fruit and decent food for their tourists, since tourism is one of their main sources of income, but yeah they can get uranium for their nukes. sounds legit
their military is only as outdated as russian. maybe a tad less maybe a tad more. and their nukes were calculated to be able to destroy central park(barely) if they actually launched it.
but yes. againts an actual western power, nk is weak.
A lot of what is in that page is either estimations from organisations like ISISInstitute for Science and International Security Or claims from North Korea though it is highly likely that they do have nuclear capability i don't believe they would waste them on a group like that. Also think about the repercussions of using a nuke in the first place.
I remember stating in my last comment that it is highly likely they do have some nuclear capability. But there is little proof which states that they have proper nukes i won't deny that they aren't trying to make them but the tests they are carrying out are likely still in the early stages
So it's back to estimations? don't get me wrong they obviously have done nuclear testing and if you are right that means they can make an atomic level bomb but there is still the issue of making them in the first place bear in mind nukes are expensive to make and NKs economy is not exactly strong with starvation being an issue in the country there is also insufficient proof that North Korea has the resources needed to make them on a large scale
nk is poor BECAUSE they redirect funds and aid towards military rather than feeding the poor. russia also had a lot of poverty and it was considered one of the strongest goverments on earth for a long while. and still is to a degree.
and i took the LOWEST estimation given. highest one puts them on par with b53
**whatyousay used "*roll picture*"** **whatyousay rolled image**But even the Military is said to be facing starvation although Russia did have issues concerning poverty it was not as bad as North Korea's Russia had the economy to adequately support their Civilians and Military it was not perfect but the conditions were better than North Korea's. Remember for a Country that focuses heavily on their military they use outdated vehicles and weapons and even then the up keep for such a large army must be tremendous what makes you think that they have funds or the resources necessary to make them on a large scale if they can't properly supply their own troops?
because it has been done before. russia also faced shortage of food,resources and manpower because of the nuclear arms race and space race againts america. which is what caused its collapse and reform. nk is just going through the same process with a lot more visible signs since we have internet and other ways of spying the starvation in its full effect.
SECOND reason why i think its possible is because we already have knowledge that they have nuclear weapons in their arsenal. they have detonated not one, but TWO confirmed weapons of mass destruction. the first one was around fat man in level of yield(aka highly crude and ineffective. but thats to be expected since they got their technology from a second world country) and the second one was maybe on bar with that of american technology.
the exact number of nukes they have is unknown. but its quite certain that they DO have them. as well as other wmd's
anyway its two in the morning and i have work tomorrow..good night ill reply to you tomorrow.
**whatyousay used "*roll picture*"** **whatyousay rolled image**Russia collapsed because of many reasons i have already stated that Russia faced these problems but there situation wasn't as bad they are a large country which at the time had many countries underneath the Iron Curtain these countries assisted Russia during the nuclear arms race and although Russia has never really had good relationship with many countries they still had trade going and they weren't labeled as a hermit country which requires aid from countries like the US and Organisations such as the UN
that would be because they are throwing money at weapons and nukes rather than food and agriculture. and even thou they focus heavily on military and have decend military force. they ARE still poor as **** compared to any real military might..or just first world country.
cause =/= correlation is something english speaking folks say in these matters yes?
**whatyousay used "*roll picture*"** **whatyousay rolled image**If a country that can't even properly supply their troops with up to date weapons and vehicles make make you think they could make nuke on a large scale
"It's just the normal civilians who aren't allowed to use them."
Are you serious? They even have their own operating system... Sure, most of the population can't afford one, but to claim they're not allowed to use them is just plain stupid.
In schools etc students are allowed to use those computers with the specific OS. But you are NOT allowed to use devices that can contact people outside NK. So no, civilians are not allowed to use regular computers with internet access.
It's still true that internet access is very restricted if you don't find a way aroud, but if that's what you're tryig to say you could use better wording, I think.
"As of November 2011, no mobile phones can dial into or out of the country, and there's also no Internet connection. 3G network covers 94 percent of the population, but only covers 14 percent of the territory. Past restrictions included a ban on cell phones from 2004 - 2008."
The first sentences are believable, the last is mostly made up. Especially when you consider how these stories of banning cell phones are inconsistent and the fact that the average north korean, who isn't very wealthy as you might guess, has a cell phone, which indicates it is part of their lifestyle. Something that wouldn't happen if they weren't familiar with it for a while. It's most likely made up. No certainties though.
North Korea. They have 1 million active soldiers and 8-9 million soldiers in reserve, it is quite literally the largest military in the world by active members. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korea#Military
These are men and women who have gone through at the very least basic military training, and they all have basic weapon equipment available.
Meanwhile the Islamic State has at the absolute, absolute most 260k military personell. Their exact numbers are probably way, way lower, as they probably hyperbole it heavily to seem more terrifying and more "inviting" for foreign fighters. Also, these people have no training most of the time. They get an AK47, some guidance, intense course lasting a week in how to shoot at stuff then sent into field.
The North Korean army would quite honestly turn ISIS inside out within a few days. They would spend the most time marching in the desert. They have superior equipment, superior numbers and superior training. It's like America invading Canada.
I would be pretty happy if ISIS decided to try and fight North Korea. NK would actually do something worthwhile by wiping them out and it might weaken them a bit. Not that anyone would need them weakened to take them out.
Yeah, but you also have to consider fighting styles.
NK soldiers are all trained, true, but none have any in battle experience for the most part, and a large numbered are likely malnourished. ISIS on the other hand probably has more experience, since they live in such a harsh and militarized environment.
Considering that, you have to give them at least a little more of a chance, right?
Hell no, the NKSOF (North Korean Special Operation Forces) are trained to the same level of intensity as Army Rangers and the British S.A.S. the number 180 thousand, and are basically the only threat North Korea can actually present. ISIS would not stand a chance against them.
Yup as you said. NK has a huge army and a part of those aren't even reserves but soldiers for life which means constant training, NK might also have nukes. Yeah ISIL claims to have about 200k members while "our" (the western) security agencies estimates 30k+. It might be that ISIL is claiming civilians on the land that they've claimed to be members of their state.
Yeah ISIL can pretty easily be removed but the reason NATO haven't done it is because it would be a huge scale invasion, now we're trying to support the nations there to take control themselves.
**dankrolls used "*roll picture*"** **dankrolls rolled image**When did ISIS become ISIL? I get that ISIS is sort of "outdated" cause ISIS is just in Syria, but why not just stick to IS? Like really, I've heard it a couple of times and I'm just like "Islamic State in L... what"
"Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant", "Islamic State of Iraq and Syria", "Islamic State of Iraq and ash-Sham", "Islamic State", "Da'ish", "Da'eesh" are all just names for one organization, you can use any of those without any important context.
I view Daesh (arabic name for ISIS) as murderous bastards and fanatics.
MOFOs, but dangerous.
NK's leadership is a joke though.
Seriously, how can anyone with a brain admire that ball on legs?
I just can't understand how anyone finds any form of respect to that fatass.
He isn't fit.
He isn't smart.
He isn't charismatic.
The position literally just fell in his hands, and he milks the position for any form of hedonistic pleasure.
NK is dangerous because of incompetent leadership and ruthless suppresion of their own population, but are they an international threat? No.
China, wich NK is formally allied with, yes.
But even they are getting more and more exasperated with Kim, so they just don't take him seriously anymore.
So you can't compare them, a bad joke isn't a dangerous threat and vice versa.
"Advanced Weaponry" Idk about their artillery and **** but none of this is advanced www.militaryfactory.com/smallarms/guns-of-north-korea.asp
It's mostly what ISIS is also using. It's mostly Kalashnikovs. The most advanced thing I saw was the Strela and Igla. And the nukes most likely aren't even up to the level of the Fat Man and Little boy. Unless they can put them to good use, their nukes wont be as effective. I really don't know.
Well North Korea would have a decent advantage of not giving a **** about the local population. Which is what ISIS likes to blend into so that they dont get attacked.
I'd root for best korea because if isis had the same kind of weapons that NK has, they would probably start a large war with someone. At least NK are somewhat sensible with their power, despite similar intentions of removing burger.
>inside US team sneaks into syria
>fire missle at north korea
>North korea and is play war for next few years
>only a few assholes left from both sides
>rest of world rejoices
They invaded South Korean in no time before american intervention. The war also ending in a ceasefire and no true winner. Finland had to give concessions of land to the Soviet after that war so they did not win even if they faught bravely. They also lost the Continuation War a few years after and had to give up more land.
Historically the bigger army win but in some cases that is not true. If you look at alexander the great and the battle over Babylon he won with much fewer men.
USA lost the Vietnam war and the Anti-communist forces did have bigger army.
If you anyone think ISIS could handle over 4000 tanks, over 900 Aircrafts and a few million troops then they are wrong in my opinion. You also have to remember that China support North Korea.
in all honesty i hate both because they're just bad (pretty obviouse) but i cant decide because on one hand north korea while poorly equiped than most nations in the world they are probably better equiped than isis but i dont know if the people of north korea would fight for kim seeming how they're not exactly happy with they're "supreme leader)
and on the other hand you have the oposite wich is isis. because they are not that well equiped but i have never seen someone so willing to blindy follow something like they do in my lifetime
Actually ISIS is pretty good equipped.
The Americans gave a lot of material to the militairy in Iran, but those coward ********* fleed, leaving, among other things 2300 humvees behind for ISIS to capture.
The Korean army outnumber ISIS at least 10 to 1 tho
they might be "well equiped" but are you saying that when you think about the fact that its a orginisation instead of a nation. because if they are well equiped for terrorist standards doesnt neccesarely mean they are better equped than NK wich is an entire nation.
America sells to Isreal who uses them to kill Palestinians, then sells them to ISIS/UAE because muh shekels, then complains to America that ISIS/UAE/Palestine wants to use these weapons to hurt them so America sends more weapons to Isreal. Plus a tonne of military equipment was left to local militaries so they could maintain a defence, then they pussied out and let ISIS get it.
North Korea has one of the largest standing armies on the planet. They're crippled by their lack of resources/tech to take them out of North Korea, but they could **** you up on their home turf.