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User avatar #30 - OOOnelsonOOO (11/18/2013) [-]
Input from a guy who's job depends on the movie industries success:

Everyone's seen the "Please drink responsibly" ads, and this is the same sort of situation.

You want to watch "V for Vendetta"? Pirate the fuck out of it. It's not making money any more, who gives a fuck, they get money from T.V. stations to show it, and you watching it online will not effect that in the slighest. Have fun.

You want to watch "Thor 2: The Dark World"? Then fucking buy a movie ticket, or wait for it to come to D.V.D/Bluray and watch it at a friends house. Or, just have sex with a guy/girl that works at the movie theater, and they can get you in for free (Most theaters give employees 3 free tickets a week).

If everyone chose to not see it in theaters, and no one shows up, then boom, it's done. No sequels. No similar titles. Eventually, no more new movies/more laws to stop pirating, even of the movies that normally would not be effected. Congratulations asshole, you just destroyed my job, and an entire industry.



"But OOOnelsonOOO... just one person's not going to make a difference.."

Hey, yep, you're right. just you is not going to make a difference. But everyone as a whole is. If something's wrong, that doesn't give you the right to do it, "because everyone else is" If you want the world to be a better place (even in a very small way) you have to look in the mirror and make that change. Others will follow suit when it becomes the popular thing.
User avatar #127 to #30 - TastyBurger (11/18/2013) [-]
I feel ya. That's why I'm cool with pirating old games Super Metroid or FF7 or Super Mario 64. Nobody owns any of them, nobody can make any profit off of them except people off ebay. Same goes for really old movies or shows that are syndicated and play reruns constantly anyways. That form of piracy IS victimless, they literally can't lose money.
User avatar #124 to #30 - thewaronbeingcool (11/18/2013) [-]
Why the fuck should I have to wait for a DVD? They should release it as soon as it's stopped showing at the cinema.
#170 to #124 - anonymous (05/06/2014) [-]
Yes, they should have the film transferred and tweaked and ready for you immediately because you are incapable of waiting and self-entitled. Totally reasonable, aren't you?
#120 to #30 - anonymous (11/18/2013) [-]
True. Besides, even before the internet "pirating" something was possible. I remember copying vhs' cassettes, c-cassettes (or whatever you call them), and you could tape the movies straight from tv. There are always people who will go to the movies and buy the dvd's, and those who pirate.

Also, it is possible to make a good movie with a small budget - you just have to work for it.
#119 to #30 - fuckyosixtyminutes (11/18/2013) [-]
'It's bad to pirate"

"But it's okay to get in the theater for free"

Morally the two may be the same but economically these two scenarios are identical.
User avatar #150 to #119 - OOOnelsonOOO (11/18/2013) [-]
Free tickets are not really free. They're part of the pay to the employees. The owner of the establishment has to pay a discounted rate on them to the producers.



It's like a larger student/military discount.
#157 to #150 - fuckyosixtyminutes (11/18/2013) [-]
Is that so? I'd never thought of that but it sounds believable. Do they pay a flat rate whether the "free" tickets are used or not or is on a per ticket basis?
User avatar #158 to #157 - OOOnelsonOOO (11/18/2013) [-]
I think that depends on the theater, for us, as we are "family owned" we get them as "content checks" to make sure everything is running correctly in the movie and there's no "ghost" on the screen or sound problems or anything of that nature.
#116 to #30 - mitchr (11/18/2013) [-]
This is applicable.
User avatar #151 to #116 - OOOnelsonOOO (11/18/2013) [-]
This. I like this.
User avatar #105 to #30 - tittentei (11/18/2013) [-]
Personally I would be pretty pleased if no Thor 3 came out.
User avatar #90 to #30 - departed (11/18/2013) [-]
Maybe if a ticket wasn't 30 fucking dollars because of that 3D bullshit I don't even want... Then yeah I'd definitely see alot more movies in theaters...
User avatar #91 to #90 - departed (11/18/2013) [-]
Note: Normally I do go to the theatres even through this, just because the quality and experience are better, but it's still bullshit pricing a ticket at around 20-30 dollars... (where I live anyways). Also, the concession is about 15 dollars for 2 slices of pizza, I can buy a whole pizza somewhere else for that, but no I can't bring my own goddamn food without sneaking it in my bag.
User avatar #152 to #91 - OOOnelsonOOO (11/18/2013) [-]
That's really god-damned high. Tickets at my place of employment are only $6.50

But the concessions are kinda how the place is open. 95% of ticket sales go to the producers. At that rate no theater would stay open, as there is no money to be made, so yea, the prices of concessions are inflated to manage the fixed cost of equipment and utilities (and wages)

That being said, you could always eat before you go, or go out to dinner afterwards to discus the movie.
#65 to #30 - jakols (11/18/2013) [-]
And for the people living outside of the US, and don't get the big Hollywood blockbusters at the same time as you do...?   
i literally live on the other side of earth from Hollywood, and it's not even up for fucking discussion that i have to wait 3 FUCKING MONTHS after the US release to watch a move over here...   
as long as Hollywood got their "regional release dates" and insists on making shit so difficult for "average joe",  i refuse to pay for (what is by the time it gets here) old fucking movies...   
   
im pirating that movie, im pirating the shit out of it.
And for the people living outside of the US, and don't get the big Hollywood blockbusters at the same time as you do...?
i literally live on the other side of earth from Hollywood, and it's not even up for fucking discussion that i have to wait 3 FUCKING MONTHS after the US release to watch a move over here...
as long as Hollywood got their "regional release dates" and insists on making shit so difficult for "average joe", i refuse to pay for (what is by the time it gets here) old fucking movies...

im pirating that movie, im pirating the shit out of it.
User avatar #70 to #65 - sursum (11/18/2013) [-]
Do you live in outer Mongolia or something? I've lived in various places in Asia and the most a blockbuster movie has been delayed in release is three or so weeks, that is a fairly reasonable time period. its the same concept as if say the movie was leaked online three weeks before release anywhere.
#72 to #70 - jakols (11/18/2013) [-]
but why does there have to be a fucking time period to begin whit !?
but why does there have to be a fucking time period to begin whit !?
User avatar #73 to #72 - sursum (11/18/2013) [-]
Because each country has its own screening process, not every country subscribes to the same rating laws the US has, Example: I lived in China and they have a much stricter rating system than anywhere else I've been. Its a relatively quick process for them to say yes or no to release but then a studio may negotiate, selecting bits to cut to make it suitable etc. This is still not grounds for theft.
#75 to #73 - jakols (11/18/2013) [-]
i believe that the Movie industry just need to hear a collective voice telling them that this is bullshit...
The music industry got their shit together, so i cant see any logical argument for the movie industry to keep going by 1930 standards as it the internet never existed.
The lobbyists from the movie industry, ergo the ones doing nothing and getting everything are the ones fighting a loosing battle. they are the ones to make the most of us not pirating, they are the ones to holds back the development, they are the pieces of the industry that we don't really need, but they have placed themselves in such strategically perfect positions that no one dares to speak against them. these are the people living of suing people on behalf of other people... these people are scum. parasites. un-necessities.
and naive spoiled middle-class people like you are defending their actions.
rich men, feeding of the poor.
suing each other for the right to sue others, on behalf of others.
it's a shame that we let this happen. that lawsuits has become so normal that no one seems to think of it twice.
Is this really the world you want to leave for future generations?
a world that states that the richest guy with the best Jew is always right?
that the less fortunate is scum and their voice should not be heard, because they cant afford a good lawyer to take the fight against teams of big corporate lawyers that are going to ruin his life if he dares to speak against them?
get you nose out of your own arse and take a look at the big picture.
not everyone in the world is fortunate white suburban upper middle-class people. some of us don't have the luxury of "too much expendable money".
but we still have a voice.
User avatar #83 to #75 - sursum (11/18/2013) [-]
Your completely ignoring the point, that picture of yours is dependent on the product being tangible, something with substance like a piece of furniture or jewelry. In the instance of a product like a car theft refers to taking the car. Movies and other forms of entertainment though are not tangible objects you hold, they are something you 'expend' so to speak. its something where taking a copy online is theft because you are enjoying and using the product without paying for it. its the equivalent of stealing a car of the assembly line because its a copy of the design. You seem to view entertainment as something that should be communally free because we all consume it. We all consume food but that doesn't mean that we can just walk into a supermarket and take whatever we want. If something isn't affordable to you then it is a luxury that you save to obtain just as you would something more expensive like a computer.

For future reference, responding to an argument entails addressing the fucking point, not filling space with half though out claims of social inequality. I will indulge you by addressing some of these ridiculous claims.

1. You claim that the movie industry operates on a supposed '1930' standard and acts as if the 'internet never existed'. This is plain moronic. The movie industry has adapted to technology, distribution sites like iTunes have made movies accessible online. Its almost as if you think that just because a medium has been invented by which we can universal access content, that it means that is should somehow be free.

2. I'm not even going to address the whole lawyers and law suit bullshit you put in to pad out a non existent response.

3. "Too much expendable money", this is something you use to try and insinuate films etc. are ridiculously over priced and that only the excessively rich can afford them. Movie attendance is at a level that the vast majority of society can access. My character count is now exceeded.
#84 to #83 - jakols (11/18/2013) [-]
"The movie industry has adapted to technology"
" if you think that just because a medium has been invented by which we can universal access content"

i don't even feel like honoring this with a proper response

i felt like responding anyways... think of a spotify / pandora like service for movies that feature movies released after 2011? you cant? huh thats weird, i thought the movie industry were adapting...
User avatar #85 to #84 - sursum (11/18/2013) [-]
The business model of Spotify is something that at first glance can be applied to films but just take a second and look at it with a degree of intelligence. The content on Spotify being music is fundamentally different to feature films. Music is short and is something repeated many many times, albums come with 20-30 songs varying between artists. Films on the other hand are much more valuable, the most obvious aspects being that it is far longer than a track or a whole album but the production values of current movies mean you cant sell your film for two bucks a view and expect to get anywhere near your break even point. Spotify licences songs from artists who receive a flat amount for rights to their work. Spotify bases their business model on the assumption that they can make it back and more with the 10 or so dollars you would spend on a subscription. the price of the rights to a single film that costs say 200 million, largely more to make is not practical when you think that Spotify need to somehow recoup that plus the exorbitant amounts needed to purchase enough content to make the service reasonably well stocked.

You cant fucking refute anything I say, you pick out the one thing that you could from what I've said that you could pull some pitiful comeback to and assume your blatant theft is justified.
User avatar #88 to #85 - jakols (11/18/2013) [-]
again, think Spotify...
The first similar service that comes to mind is Netflix.
why is it that they have regional releases even on netflix?
the US netflix is well stocked with all the huge blockbuster movies from 2000 to 2010, while the eg. Norwegian Netflix only get crumbs and old 1995 vhs quality movies?
why isn't netflix just Netflix? the same content for all its users, all over the world?
and dont even try to blame it on different countries different laws. there is not a single law in the world set by any state that dictates that "Movies must be old before shown."
No, its the industry that wants to milk the cow dry, country by country.
and the fact that you dont think it's wrong and a despicable act disgusts me.
im not saying "HEY EVERYONE LETS STOP GOING TO THE MOVIES, AND JUST PIRATE EVERYTHING INSTEAD!!"
good movies get my money. bad movies dont.
if i like a movie or a franchise i would gladly pay to watch it. but i want to be able to decide for myself if the movie is worth the money it costs me to watch it.
if the movie is of a boondocks saints caliber, ill trow money at it.
if the movie is of the Avatar the Last Airbender caliber, i'd sat that the only way it's getting my money is if i get to jam a roll of quarters down the throat of Shamalamalala and end him.
User avatar #100 to #88 - sursum (11/18/2013) [-]
Netflix has to purchase the distribution rights for content based on region. It makes sense that places such as the US has the most variety when it comes to content because there is more of a demand for certain films and TV shows that aren't available on Netflix in say Norway. There has to be research suggesting that there is enough demand to justify Netflix purchasing the rights for a film/TV show for Norway. A small number of viewers who want a TV show doesn't make it financially viable for Netflix to spend million on acquiring the rights to release that content. That is just unfortunate for those who do want it but is hardly the fault of Netlflix or the current holders of the rights to it.

You say that you should have to decide whether you like a movie before you pay for it, that's fucking ridiculous, because you've already consumed the product. Just because it is not what you expected it to be doesn't mean that you don't have to pay for something that you used. Its like buying a fruit juice you've never tried and then demanding your money back because it wasn't to your liking. Even if this was implemented it would rely on the goodwill of the consumer to be truthful about his experience, one could just as easily say "i didn't like it, fuck off" when he actually did.
User avatar #153 to #100 - OOOnelsonOOO (11/18/2013) [-]
You sir are a hero.
User avatar #62 to #30 - retardedboss ONLINE (11/18/2013) [-]
Who the fuck pirates shit before it goes out on dvd? Filthy Cam peasants, that's who. What do you take me for?
#66 to #62 - jakols (11/18/2013) [-]
not to mention ... TS!   
   
 oh the genuine horror
not to mention ... TS!

oh the genuine horror
#53 to #30 - unibluemedia (11/18/2013) [-]
What about those who pirate movies they never would have watched in the first place?

I tend to find myself watching plenty of movies I would never have considered watching if it wasn't "free".

Also, everyone have budgets. Movies goes under "entertainment". I bet none uses less money on entertainment today, than they did before. It doesn't seems the movie business are having too much difficulties either. I mean, there's more "big movies" being produced now, than ever.
User avatar #154 to #53 - OOOnelsonOOO (11/18/2013) [-]
2011, and 2012 are the lowest grossing years for movies since the early 90's. They are hurting. A lot.

Sure the actors aren't seeing any problems, but that's a matter of comparative advantage that i won't go into detail about, but the realism of the matter is, that animaters, musicians, set designers, and all of the "fast scrolling" credits are taking pay cuts and losing jobs.



Also the number of "big movies" are greatly down from what is typical. This year the only movies our theater was able to make a profit on were/will be:

Thor 2, Hunger games, Gravity (very small profit), Hobbit, Bad Grandpa, Millers, Wolf of wall street, last vegas, man of steel, Monsters U, now you see me, Planes, Gatsby, The Heat, Despicable 2, and frozen.

Thats 16. We have 52 release weeks (with multible movies per release)

That's 69% of the year we take a loss. The other 31% allows us to almost break even. Key word is almost, as we didn't make a normal profit, and we're hoping the next year will be better.
User avatar #71 to #53 - sursum (11/18/2013) [-]
All I'm saying is that movies and other forms of entertainment are products, either pay for it or do without, the same logic could be applied to a watch store or something, you see a watch you really like but you wouldn't buy it because of the price, you don't then just grab it and walk out of the store with a brand new Rolex. you walk out the store without the brand new Rolex.
User avatar #101 to #71 - unibluemedia (11/18/2013) [-]
You can't compare piracy to theft. Internet piracy is copying and sharing data files (theoretically numbers and electricity) on a computer device . Stealing is simply removing and object from someone's possession without that being okay, which also results in that person not being able to possess that very same object (ex. a car, watch or a chair).
User avatar #102 to #101 - sursum (11/18/2013) [-]
But the issue is that digital products are different to tangible ones, when the method of sale for a product is based on someone consuming, in this case viewing it, then it is theft when someone simply copies it and views it.
User avatar #51 to #30 - sodapops (11/18/2013) [-]
You are kinda right, but I'd like to add that any "piracy is killing the music/movie industry" is bullshit and this is why:
Your typical consumer has a certain part of his income to spend on entertainment. For me it used to be about 80-100 euro, these days I can't spend more than 10-20 euro because my wife is out of a job.
I used to buy 3-4 movie tickets each year, 1-5 CDs, 2-3 movies and 1-2 games each month (seldom at full price, I can wait for prices to drop), these days I save up for a month or two to buy one game.

However, no matter what your entertainment budget is, other things than music and movies have gotten more popular. People buy games instead of DVDs, which is easy to see on how the gaming industry is booming. Piracy has very very little to do with it, it's just that focus moved from movies/music to games and people can't afford to buy everything.

Besides, people are getting too lazy to torrent stuff. If it isn't on netflix or spotify it's "meh, whatever". Me, I do pirate stuff... But I also own thousands of CD:s and LP:s, hundreds of movies and games.
User avatar #155 to #51 - OOOnelsonOOO (11/18/2013) [-]
2011, and 2012 are the lowest grossing years for movies since the early 90's. They are hurting. A lot.

Sure the actors aren't seeing any problems, but that's a matter of comparative advantage that i won't go into detail about, but the realism of the matter is, that animaters, musicians, set designers, and all of the "fast scrolling" credits are taking pay cuts and losing jobs.



Also the number of "big movies" are greatly down from what is typical. This year the only movies our theater was able to make a profit on were/will be:

Thor 2, Hunger games, Gravity (very small profit), Hobbit, Bad Grandpa, Millers, Wolf of wall street, last vegas, man of steel, Monsters U, now you see me, Planes, Gatsby, The Heat, Despicable 2, and frozen.

Thats 16. We have 52 release weeks (with multible movies per release)

That's 69% of the year we take a loss. The other 31% allows us to almost break even. Key word is almost, as we didn't make a normal profit, and we're hoping the next year will be better.
#43 to #30 - applescryatnight (11/18/2013) [-]
so in your opinion, would pirating a game be illegal always?
i mean, you can download a game from 10 years ago, and it still has a pricetag somewhere, you still can buy it.
but nobody buys games from 10 years ago anymore. nobody is making money.
when do you draw the line for when something is considered pirateable?
#40 to #30 - tomainstream (11/18/2013) [-]
I work at a movie theater, If someone wanted to bang me for tickets I would be okay with this.
I work at a movie theater, If someone wanted to bang me for tickets I would be okay with this.
User avatar #38 to #30 - parttimezombie (11/18/2013) [-]
theres a lot o movies i have to see for the theater experience. huge screen, great sound i can feel, etc. people will always go to the movies, and they will always make an absurd amount of money
User avatar #156 to #38 - OOOnelsonOOO (11/18/2013) [-]
While there is always a reason to go and it is concidered "an american right of passage" and all that other shit, we do not "always make an absurd amount of money"

2011, and 2012 are the lowest grossing years for movies since the early 90's. They are hurting. A lot.

Sure the actors aren't seeing any problems, but that's a matter of comparative advantage that i won't go into detail about, but the realism of the matter is, that animaters, musicians, set designers, and all of the "fast scrolling" credits are taking pay cuts and losing jobs.



Also the number of "big movies" are greatly down from what is typical. This year the only movies our theater was able to make a profit on were/will be:

Thor 2, Hunger games, Gravity (very small profit), Hobbit, Bad Grandpa, Millers, Wolf of wall street, last vegas, man of steel, Monsters U, now you see me, Planes, Gatsby, The Heat, Despicable 2, and frozen.

Thats 16. We have 52 release weeks (with multible movies per release)

That's 69% of the year we take a loss. The other 31% allows us to almost break even. Key word is almost, as we didn't make a normal profit, and we're hoping the next year will be better.
User avatar #34 to #30 - dongers (11/18/2013) [-]
thankyou, personally i pirate things that you cant really find anymore, like the really old doctor who seasons and more obscure anime but ifs its out right now i just go and see it in a movie theater
thank you for the information
User avatar #32 to #30 - stealingbikes (11/18/2013) [-]
When you pirate, use discARRRRRetion

I'm not sorry
User avatar #33 to #32 - OOOnelsonOOO (11/18/2013) [-]
^Post of the day if you make that a .gif
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