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anon (09/08/2015) [-]
But people will say America and the West are imposing its own culture, values, ect. if we help there.... damned if you do or don't I'd say.
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greyhoundfd ONLINE (09/09/2015) [-] The issue is that the West has never taken a direct approach in directing these countries, when in truth it should.
I propose the "New West", headed by the United States. We start with small nations, especially in Latin America and the Caribbean. We declare an "International Humanitarian Crisis", insert troops, and economically and infrastructurally rebuild these countries. Those which are too dry to support crops, we irrigate or build improved importation centers for. We build factories, roads, houses, and a whole manner of structures which can be used to build up these nations. When everything's done crime rates have dropped dramatically, unemployment is exceptionally low, and most people there are living in modern conditions , then we establish a center of government and hold a popular referendum to see if they wish to join the United States as a permanent state.
I propose the "New West", headed by the United States. We start with small nations, especially in Latin America and the Caribbean. We declare an "International Humanitarian Crisis", insert troops, and economically and infrastructurally rebuild these countries. Those which are too dry to support crops, we irrigate or build improved importation centers for. We build factories, roads, houses, and a whole manner of structures which can be used to build up these nations. When everything's done crime rates have dropped dramatically, unemployment is exceptionally low, and most people there are living in modern conditions , then we establish a center of government and hold a popular referendum to see if they wish to join the United States as a permanent state.
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failtolawl (09/08/2015) [-] Don't group up American with europoor immigration policies. Americans can handle immigrants. It's quite clear Europeans are unable to house different people.
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alimais (09/08/2015) [-] Immigrants coming to Europe come because of the US backed civil war
www.examiner.com/article/u-s-backed-syrian-rebels-reportedly-massacre-christian-village
www.examiner.com/article/u-s-backed-syrian-rebels-reportedly-massacre-christian-village
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anon (09/08/2015) [-]
well obviously though. We are not really much for just sending over a lump sum for their govt to use as they see fit because we dont want that govt to spend it all on weapons and **** . the only real way of helping those countries is if they help themselves. if they supply goods and services that are superior to ours then we will demand them and that in turn will increase the growth potential for those lands.
tl;dr buy the nig-nogs goods and services so they will find a job in their own country instead of coming to yours
tl;dr buy the nig-nogs goods and services so they will find a job in their own country instead of coming to yours
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animedudej (09/08/2015) [-] i second the notion of you seconding the original notion does this sentence even make sense? i dont know.
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novus (09/08/2015) [-] The guy makes some really good points, I love these kinds of hands-on videos. But I don't really understand who he's arguing against though. WHO are these "elites" saying that we're going to combat world poverty with immigration? I have never ever heard anyone in politics make that argument.
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pyrusd (09/08/2015) [-]
I believe, since I can only guess, that the "elites" are mostly Democrats in the US. Where they say, we should have open boarders and allow people to come here freely and be granted amnesty for coming here. Because in theory, once in the US, everything will be better since we're such a great nation. So these same people also **** on Trump other Republicans when they say we need to focus inward, close boarders, stop illegal immigration and the like.
Again, all guess work though and I definitely see what you're saying since people don't say it directly, so I guess this is what he means.
Again, all guess work though and I definitely see what you're saying since people don't say it directly, so I guess this is what he means.
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anon (09/08/2015) [-]
I was listening to the radio this morning and during the list of news the reporter said that some vaguely famous person (I was only half paying attention) was saying that if the US doesnt start taking immigrants like the progressive Europeans then we were hatemongers or some other stupid **** .
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jackylblack (09/08/2015) [-] To be fair, most people flee because of ****** situations where they come from, not to get rich or living of wellfare.
Of course, this is a generalisation and there will be always exceptions. But they are all people like us. Like most of us aren't assholes, so aren't they.
The benefits would be more along the lines of not getting murdered or dying from hunger.
The old man shows nicely how treating the causes of the poverty will show results, not immigration to better off countries .
But the real question is more along the lines; if people are fleeing as they are now, reject them or accepting them?
Of course, this is a generalisation and there will be always exceptions. But they are all people like us. Like most of us aren't assholes, so aren't they.
The benefits would be more along the lines of not getting murdered or dying from hunger.
The old man shows nicely how treating the causes of the poverty will show results, not immigration to better off countries .
But the real question is more along the lines; if people are fleeing as they are now, reject them or accepting them?
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talpss (09/08/2015) [-] Ah, no. That's false. You see, the immigrants actually do go there for the benefits. Why on Earth would they not go to Hungary, Serbia, or Macedon, countries that are so much closer and still much better (not as good as some others, but still better) than Syria and other Middle Eastern countries but go to Germany, England, and Sweden nearly exclusively? The answer? Benefits. You get immigration benefits in those countries. You seen the video of the "refugee" throwing off fresh bottled water onto train tracks in protest because he isn't allowed on the train to Germany? Please tell me, why, just why, immigrants would do that if they were truly refugees, trying to escape war. They, of all people, would be the most needy in that regard, for water, food, and shelter. As far as I'm concerned, refugees should go through the program the UN has for this situation, and thats the only immigration Europe and the US needs.
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jackylblack (09/08/2015) [-] I hadn't seen that video actually, but even then, that person wouldn't be representative.
Also people will always be people, some of them will be undeserving idiots, but most of them are normal and law abbiding.
As to your other points, I ask you this:
If you were fleeing from your country, prosecuted by your own government, would you go to countries where you are unwanted and hated by the government, again?
You just lost your roots, you would look for your best option and go there.
A country which accepts you and provides security, not ones where the police and population can openly harass you.
The countries you mentioned, Germany, Sweden and England, provide all human rights which Macedonia, Hungary and Serbia.
In addition to that, there is already small but sizeable fraction of immigrants in these countries. These people will fit there better.
So you see, there are more and greater arguments for these countries than simple greed.
Saying that they solely come for monetary benefits isn't right. Maybe it is a part of it, but I would say basic human rights is more interesting for refugees fleeing from atrocities than money.
Also people will always be people, some of them will be undeserving idiots, but most of them are normal and law abbiding.
As to your other points, I ask you this:
If you were fleeing from your country, prosecuted by your own government, would you go to countries where you are unwanted and hated by the government, again?
You just lost your roots, you would look for your best option and go there.
A country which accepts you and provides security, not ones where the police and population can openly harass you.
The countries you mentioned, Germany, Sweden and England, provide all human rights which Macedonia, Hungary and Serbia.
In addition to that, there is already small but sizeable fraction of immigrants in these countries. These people will fit there better.
So you see, there are more and greater arguments for these countries than simple greed.
Saying that they solely come for monetary benefits isn't right. Maybe it is a part of it, but I would say basic human rights is more interesting for refugees fleeing from atrocities than money.
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eiaisqzbsesb (09/08/2015) [-] Well, this is pretty ******* applicable to sweden. Every single mainstream journalist and politician over here argues that we are "helping" the impoverished nations of the world by our "mass-immigration..."
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leown (09/08/2015) [-] theres a girl i have a real thing for that i know that lives in sweden and when we talked about this one day i couldnt help but feel awful and just stomach turning when she told me about the problem they are having with immigrants over there.
It honostly sickens me that a country that i become hopeful in visiting and grown to love is struggling and dealing with such a ridiculous situation in the worst way possible.
My hot-red-white-and-blue american blood just wants to go over there and run for king or whatever and fix theyre **** .
It honostly sickens me that a country that i become hopeful in visiting and grown to love is struggling and dealing with such a ridiculous situation in the worst way possible.
My hot-red-white-and-blue american blood just wants to go over there and run for king or whatever and fix theyre **** .
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eiaisqzbsesb (09/08/2015) [-] *their
The main problem lies in the fact that our government is a god damned play-pen right now. There's only one party willing to lower immigration, but because the party has a past history of being sorta neo-nazi-ish, 90% of other political parties call them racists and refuse to even accnowledge their arguements as remotely valid in any way at all. Why? Because they are racists, ofcourse. And racists can't be right. (Though in later years, their leader, Jimmie Åkersson, has been working diligently to stomp out any sign of nazism.)
The main problem lies in the fact that our government is a god damned play-pen right now. There's only one party willing to lower immigration, but because the party has a past history of being sorta neo-nazi-ish, 90% of other political parties call them racists and refuse to even accnowledge their arguements as remotely valid in any way at all. Why? Because they are racists, ofcourse. And racists can't be right. (Though in later years, their leader, Jimmie Åkersson, has been working diligently to stomp out any sign of nazism.)
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askafj (09/08/2015) [-] This is the philosophy of the Swedish party called SD, but Sweden is trying to discard them as a racist party because they want to reduce our immigration.
Sweden is a retarded country and I hope we get ****** over by our stupid ways.
Sweden is a retarded country and I hope we get ****** over by our stupid ways.
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nanglo ONLINE (09/08/2015) [-] Europe becoming immigration Friendly ? idk mate.
France and Denmark had their far right parties at the top of the last european elections, UKIP had 30%, Austrian FPÖ scored 20% and Hungarians brought neo-nazis at the parliament.
The far-right parties are pretty much either 3rd or 2nd party nowadays in several european countries.
France and Denmark had their far right parties at the top of the last european elections, UKIP had 30%, Austrian FPÖ scored 20% and Hungarians brought neo-nazis at the parliament.
The far-right parties are pretty much either 3rd or 2nd party nowadays in several european countries.
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leown (09/08/2015) [-] theres a girl i have a real thing for that i know that lives in sweden and when we talked about this one day i couldnt help but feel awful and just stomach turning when she told me about the problem they are having with immigrants over there.
It honostly sickens me that a country that i become hopeful in visiting and grown to love is struggling and dealing with such a ridiculous situation in the worst way possible.
My hot-red-white-and-blue american blood just wants to go over there and run for king or whatever and fix theyre **** .
i c/p this comment i made a bit above to someone else that mentioned sweden as the poster child for this stupid situation.
just saying this just in case someones bitches about this since its inevitbale because we're hurr durr fj
It honostly sickens me that a country that i become hopeful in visiting and grown to love is struggling and dealing with such a ridiculous situation in the worst way possible.
My hot-red-white-and-blue american blood just wants to go over there and run for king or whatever and fix theyre **** .
i c/p this comment i made a bit above to someone else that mentioned sweden as the poster child for this stupid situation.
just saying this just in case someones bitches about this since its inevitbale because we're hurr durr fj
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carrotpotato (09/08/2015) [-]
K. Though people in europe should try to understand the difference between mexican IMMIGRANT going to the US and syrian REFUGEE coming to Europe. Not the same thing at all. While mexican immigrants are merely looking for better standard of living, syrian refugess are fleeing from a country torn by a civil war. That's quite a difference.
I don't like the direction FJ has been heading recently.
I don't like the direction FJ has been heading recently.
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hexadecimated [OP]ONLINE (09/08/2015) [-] They're almost entirely 18-40 year old men in designer clothing, with smartphones, who have passed through European countries that are at peace in order to get to the place where they get free handouts. Leaving a trail of literal **** and garbage wherever they go, mind you. They're not refugees at all, they're freeloaders. And they're crossing illegally without the intent to ever find work.
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carrotpotato (09/08/2015) [-]
Again, they are probably not poor, they are refugees, hence the smart phones and such. Men in syria are in much greater threat because of the recruitment by ISIS and the forces of the dictator + the journey here is very dangerous and women and children might not make it.
ootko edes yrittäny ymmärtää tätä koko tilannetta vai vedätkö vaan suodattamattomana kaiken sisääs mitä mvlehti ja hommahopot suoltaa? Eihän tää tilanne tietenkään ideaalinen oo ja monet maahantulijat tulis heitt ulos, mutta näillä syyrialaisilla pakolaisilla on ihan oikeasti hätä siellä omassa maassaan.
ootko edes yrittäny ymmärtää tätä koko tilannetta vai vedätkö vaan suodattamattomana kaiken sisääs mitä mvlehti ja hommahopot suoltaa? Eihän tää tilanne tietenkään ideaalinen oo ja monet maahantulijat tulis heitt ulos, mutta näillä syyrialaisilla pakolaisilla on ihan oikeasti hätä siellä omassa maassaan.
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zomaru ONLINE (09/08/2015) [-] Accepting large groups of "Refugees" or "Immigrants" call them what you will for your political reasons, from these backwards ass countries, isn't helping anyone. It rightly pisses of the locals, overwelms the countries so the Immigrants get little to nothing, Steals away the population from the backwards ass countries that could instead be changing things.
You want to help them. Give them all a gun and send them back to their home country. Or better yet use their political and military power to stop the ******** that is their strife in the country. Between Bad government, Horrible rebels, and even worse terrorists, Someone needs to put a stop to it. Accepting refugees, many of whom have nothing and die on the way there. Only makes everything worse.
You want to help them. Give them all a gun and send them back to their home country. Or better yet use their political and military power to stop the ******** that is their strife in the country. Between Bad government, Horrible rebels, and even worse terrorists, Someone needs to put a stop to it. Accepting refugees, many of whom have nothing and die on the way there. Only makes everything worse.
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killerkost (09/08/2015) [-] I like the point that he makes about only the higher educated people being in a position to immigrate and that instead of keeping those people inside the countries where they could help we give them incentives to leave same countries behind.
Other than that however I have to say that this is a VERY manipulative presentation for the following reasons:
1. His assumption is that poor people are in need of help. At the same time his definition of poor is based on the american economy system. The problem here is that he compares internal economy with foreign economies and says that a person who earns 2$ a day is in need of help ignoring the fact that in some poor countries it is very possible to live with 2$ a day due to the country's internal economy system. Only because it is considered impossible to survive with 2$ a day in the US doenst mean its the same in other regions of the world.
2. He makes it look and sound like the US are the ONLY country in the world that take in immigrants which is far from true, since there are a lot of other countries (Germany, France, most of EU basically, Russia, Australia ,etc.) who take in immigrants. So instead of puttin up only one glass and comparing it to the WHOLE world he should ve put up at least 20 glasses to demonstrate the actual reality of the situation.
3. He operates on too large a scale. Of course a million of human lifes seems insignificant compared to billions, but it is still 1 MILLION people every year that get better lives. Imagine your old or current classroom of about 25 people, now multiply that by 40 and multiply that by a THOUSAND, that is what 1 Million poeple is. If you scale on too large a scale and compare human significance to the galaxy or the whole universe then every human life becomes insignificant which is why one shouldnt think only in numbers and statistics, false ones at that (point 2).
Tl;dr: He makes a few good points, but his visualization and presentation manipulate people into believing that 1 million lives are worthless in the bigger picture while at the same time ignoring the fact that the US are not the only country taking in immigrants.
Other than that however I have to say that this is a VERY manipulative presentation for the following reasons:
1. His assumption is that poor people are in need of help. At the same time his definition of poor is based on the american economy system. The problem here is that he compares internal economy with foreign economies and says that a person who earns 2$ a day is in need of help ignoring the fact that in some poor countries it is very possible to live with 2$ a day due to the country's internal economy system. Only because it is considered impossible to survive with 2$ a day in the US doenst mean its the same in other regions of the world.
2. He makes it look and sound like the US are the ONLY country in the world that take in immigrants which is far from true, since there are a lot of other countries (Germany, France, most of EU basically, Russia, Australia ,etc.) who take in immigrants. So instead of puttin up only one glass and comparing it to the WHOLE world he should ve put up at least 20 glasses to demonstrate the actual reality of the situation.
3. He operates on too large a scale. Of course a million of human lifes seems insignificant compared to billions, but it is still 1 MILLION people every year that get better lives. Imagine your old or current classroom of about 25 people, now multiply that by 40 and multiply that by a THOUSAND, that is what 1 Million poeple is. If you scale on too large a scale and compare human significance to the galaxy or the whole universe then every human life becomes insignificant which is why one shouldnt think only in numbers and statistics, false ones at that (point 2).
Tl;dr: He makes a few good points, but his visualization and presentation manipulate people into believing that 1 million lives are worthless in the bigger picture while at the same time ignoring the fact that the US are not the only country taking in immigrants.
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severepwner ONLINE (09/09/2015) [-] I don't think his point is that these lives are worthless, but he is thinking bigger picture here.
This is speech is a counter on the idea "Immigration is a good way to TACKLE World Poverty" So I can assume that's referring to the problem on a worldwide scale. But this solution would never help the problem.
As in you want to paint an entire house, and you decide to use a single think brush to do it. And then every 7 days a gang comes and sprays graffitti all over the house you just painted, so you have to go back and paint over it again, but then they come back next week.
This is speech is a counter on the idea "Immigration is a good way to TACKLE World Poverty" So I can assume that's referring to the problem on a worldwide scale. But this solution would never help the problem.
As in you want to paint an entire house, and you decide to use a single think brush to do it. And then every 7 days a gang comes and sprays graffitti all over the house you just painted, so you have to go back and paint over it again, but then they come back next week.
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pentol (09/08/2015) [-]
now we have to answer the question, "how do we raise the standard of living for billions of people?"
History tells us that industry and innovation are the ways to make money as a nation. even high value raw materials such as precious metals and oil can only take you so far.
Now a destitute nation, with lots of debt and uneducated population, has to somehow get to the point that it can create products and compete on the world market to export. no easy task. Encouraging foreign investment into the building of factories or sweatshops is unlikely to succeed, because of the lack of infrastructure, and even if it is, the foreign investors will take the majority of profits out of the country.
Encouraging Gründer activity is unlikely to succed, because small opperations are reliant on a local market to grow into an export business, and yet again, the question of infrastructure comes up.
Borowing money to set up industry and infrastructure is risky, investments may not pay of for many years, and in the meantime, interest will force an already indebted nation to make even bigger savings, stifling growth even more.
On top of this there is the issue of lack of educated workers and expertize to make innovation, which come after the money is already flowing.
All in all, it is about as easy to pull a really poverty struck nation out of poverty, as it is to pull yourself up by the bootstraps.
History tells us that industry and innovation are the ways to make money as a nation. even high value raw materials such as precious metals and oil can only take you so far.
Now a destitute nation, with lots of debt and uneducated population, has to somehow get to the point that it can create products and compete on the world market to export. no easy task. Encouraging foreign investment into the building of factories or sweatshops is unlikely to succeed, because of the lack of infrastructure, and even if it is, the foreign investors will take the majority of profits out of the country.
Encouraging Gründer activity is unlikely to succed, because small opperations are reliant on a local market to grow into an export business, and yet again, the question of infrastructure comes up.
Borowing money to set up industry and infrastructure is risky, investments may not pay of for many years, and in the meantime, interest will force an already indebted nation to make even bigger savings, stifling growth even more.
On top of this there is the issue of lack of educated workers and expertize to make innovation, which come after the money is already flowing.
All in all, it is about as easy to pull a really poverty struck nation out of poverty, as it is to pull yourself up by the bootstraps.
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killerkost (09/08/2015) [-] man learn how to use paragraphs.
whats the point of a good argument if it is written in a form that nobody will be willing to read?
whats the point of a good argument if it is written in a form that nobody will be willing to read?
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pentol (09/09/2015) [-]
It looks different in the reply box. what looks like 3 lines before a line break occurs, and then, school taught me to never use two enters to end a paragraph, and it kinda sits in me.
anyways, humanitarian aid does not help a nation get out of poverty all that effectively. In order to help a nation, investments into industry, education and infrastructure are needed, while at the same time, those are not primarily what destitute nations get help at setting up.
anyways, humanitarian aid does not help a nation get out of poverty all that effectively. In order to help a nation, investments into industry, education and infrastructure are needed, while at the same time, those are not primarily what destitute nations get help at setting up.
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infinitereaper (09/12/2015) [-] I won't but you should. Your worthless existence doesn't mean anything anyway. You've proved that, or else you'd be out there doing it.
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teseus (09/08/2015) [-] There is a tiny flaw in the presentation. All those people make less than 2$ a day, but how does relate to the prices they have in those countries? The value of money scales depending on the region.
I've seen a documentary about a guy that made a lot of money by selling virtual currency (stuff like WoW gold) and he described the difference in prices for the same services in US and in China. He went to study in China for his degree and said that the price for a meal there is about 5 times less than in the US, and the same thing applies for most services and products. Ok, those people make less than 2$ a day, but when everything they need is 5 times cheaper, then it basically means they make about 10$.
I've seen a documentary about a guy that made a lot of money by selling virtual currency (stuff like WoW gold) and he described the difference in prices for the same services in US and in China. He went to study in China for his degree and said that the price for a meal there is about 5 times less than in the US, and the same thing applies for most services and products. Ok, those people make less than 2$ a day, but when everything they need is 5 times cheaper, then it basically means they make about 10$.
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CrossBowPloxz (09/08/2015) [-] **CrossBowPloxz used "*roll picture*"**
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nustix (09/08/2015) [-] I agree with what he says when you are talking about the boat immigrants from africa, or people looking for jobs in general. But the current mass immigration from syria to europe is not a job thing, and I think we have to help those people regardless of whether or not they ruin our job market.
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moistnuggests (09/08/2015) [-] If they were displaced by a natural disaster I would agree with you but war and political instability are their own problem. Moving won't solve the problem in their home countries, the conflicts will continue and there will only be more victims. The only way for those conflicts to stop is for the native population to take action which won't happen when most of the people who want change leave.
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moistnuggests (09/08/2015) [-] True enough but I also wouldn't invite them into my house.
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somuchfreedom (09/08/2015) [-] what gives you the idea that we HAVE to help them, even if it is nothing but detrimental to our own economy? why are shouled we be required to make our own country worse to help them? a person who is not a citizen of your nation has no rights in your nation, you owe them nothing and are not obligated to do **** for them, especially if it will make your nation worse
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nustix (09/08/2015) [-] Morals and being a human being? Their country was torn up by war not by their fault. You were born in a stable welfaring nation, they didn't have their luck. So when their lives are on the line I feel like we have some sort of an obligation to help out a fellow man who could have easily been you but by chance isn't.
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somuchfreedom (09/08/2015) [-] You seem to have the idea that people are obligated to follow your idea of morality. You can't be obligated to be moral, because morality is subjective. Is it good to help the downtrodden? yes. Are we obligated to help them when it will only serve to hurt us? no.
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somuchfreedom (09/08/2015) [-] Yes, and the baseline is do not harm anyone, or infringe upon their ability to live their life as they see fit, unless it causes harm to someone. That is the basest line. Not, if someone needs a home you should give them yours and be homeless yourself
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somuchfreedom (09/08/2015) [-] Typical bleeding heart logic, anyone who doesn't believe in handouts or in obligatory charity must be some rich asshole who has never had a struggle in his life. I come from a working class family and am the only person in my family to ever attend college, I am working my way through that to eventually be a teacher and in my 21 years of life I have been a plumber, a janitor, a gas station attendant and am currently a cook in my school cafeteria, so nice try on trying to out the privileged ******** .
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carrotpotato (09/08/2015) [-]
Oh man was I wrong. I had no idea you would have been a janitor.
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somuchfreedom (09/08/2015) [-] can't tell sarcasm through text so if you have something to say say it, because I have no idea what you mean by that statement
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carrotpotato (09/08/2015) [-]
What I meant that you having been a plumber, a janitor and whatnot does not mean that you have not been given much better start at life than someone escaping on a ******* crowded boat from a ******** of country ridden by war.
What I think we are disagreeing on the most base of basics is that you feel entitled to your standard of living because unlike some ********** , you actually were born to a country with high standard of living. You think of refugees as a homogenous mass that solely exist to infringe on your well-being, right? When in fact they are desperate individuals who take the risk of losing their lives and/or their family members on a dangerous road to a safe place.
Maybe trying to walk a mile in someone elses shoes might be a thought exercise just for you. although, and apologies for the ad hominem, you not being able to read sarcasm even in a clearly sarcastic text implies that you cannot do that with your mental disorder belonging on the autism spectrum
What I think we are disagreeing on the most base of basics is that you feel entitled to your standard of living because unlike some ********** , you actually were born to a country with high standard of living. You think of refugees as a homogenous mass that solely exist to infringe on your well-being, right? When in fact they are desperate individuals who take the risk of losing their lives and/or their family members on a dangerous road to a safe place.
Maybe trying to walk a mile in someone elses shoes might be a thought exercise just for you. although, and apologies for the ad hominem, you not being able to read sarcasm even in a clearly sarcastic text implies that you cannot do that with your mental disorder belonging on the autism spectrum
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somuchfreedom (09/08/2015) [-] Again, what a suprise, you break down to insulting me because you can't argue properly. Their life sucking a fat one does not entitle them to help. I am all for people privatley making the choice to help people, and I feel bad for them and their situations, but I find the idea that we OWE the " *********** " anything to be ignorant. We do not owe anyone help, particularly when it would only serve to hurt us. There are ******* problems everywhere man, you can't cry about them all or youd drown in your own liberal tears. If you feel so strongly about this **** then sell find one of these people, buy them a plane ticket here, givem them your house and your money and everything else, because you ******* owe them. Or better yet, grab a gun and join the people fighting against the savages who are forcing these people from their homes. Will you do any of that? **** no you won't.
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carrotpotato (09/08/2015) [-]
But I am willing to vouch for politics that allow them to come to my country to be lawful citizens and that's really all I have to do, just like you only have to vouch for politics you support. I don't go around yelling to people against migration to go and push the boats back to Mediterranean and probably you shouldn't do the opposite either. There is place for everyone in this world and I have found mine, it's not in the politics and it's not in any armed forces.
What comes to us owing them is what is wrong with this whole thing. Of course we don't owe them anything but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't help them.
Also you pretty much just used the ad hominem as scapegoat to ignore my points completely and then call me out for not being able to argue. Dich cheese.
What comes to us owing them is what is wrong with this whole thing. Of course we don't owe them anything but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't help them.
Also you pretty much just used the ad hominem as scapegoat to ignore my points completely and then call me out for not being able to argue. Dich cheese.
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somuchfreedom (09/09/2015) [-] You're place is telling others what they should do instead of actually helping people? Of course it is you brave keyboard warrior. And I addressed your points, you believe them having a worse life than me, that means there is an obligation to help them. You literally said there is an obligation, then turned around and said there isn't you ******* idiot.
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theruse (09/08/2015) [-] Trump has been 100% right, he just doesn't know how to say his views without seeming like an asshole.
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anon (09/08/2015) [-] **anonymous used "*roll picture*"**
**anonymous rolled image**Honestly, I live in America, and the cultural pot of the world NYC; the only reason we have an immigration convo is because of race. When Republicans talk about how to "stop" Mexicans they're also quietly including about every other Latins except Cuba, and Puerto Rico. They're is not problem with immigration in America if there's been 30 mill extra illiegals since the 90's, then they're pretty ******* sneaky.
Also For Europe; you guys are really ****** up for not letting immigrants from the middle east come through. Why does Germany have to take on the big problems for ya expecially when it was the Allied Power that help create some of the countries you fish chip, wine, tea, armpit, white pasty face little ***** . Church Hill in hell ya know.
**anonymous rolled image**Honestly, I live in America, and the cultural pot of the world NYC; the only reason we have an immigration convo is because of race. When Republicans talk about how to "stop" Mexicans they're also quietly including about every other Latins except Cuba, and Puerto Rico. They're is not problem with immigration in America if there's been 30 mill extra illiegals since the 90's, then they're pretty ******* sneaky.
Also For Europe; you guys are really ****** up for not letting immigrants from the middle east come through. Why does Germany have to take on the big problems for ya expecially when it was the Allied Power that help create some of the countries you fish chip, wine, tea, armpit, white pasty face little ***** . Church Hill in hell ya know.
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rubenvatle (09/08/2015) [-] is this how 'Muricans feels now?
#NotSayingMyCountryIsBetterThoButYouGetWhatImSaying!
#NotSayingMyCountryIsBetterThoButYouGetWhatImSaying!
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anon (09/09/2015) [-]
SJW's are trying to get heaps of refugees to come to Aus.. ******* cunts
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citruslord (09/08/2015) [-] Playing a bit of devils advocate, I would imagine the point of it is to help those we can, not to change the world as a whole. Humanitarian efforts aren't always supposed to be this logical.
The biggest takeaway point is that if we want to improve the world, improving conditions in impoverished nations is the best step, not making conditions worse in better off areas.
The biggest takeaway point is that if we want to improve the world, improving conditions in impoverished nations is the best step, not making conditions worse in better off areas.
