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#31 - lonesomemeheecan (11/04/2013) [-]
I don't know why it's so ******* progressive to let your kid wear a dress now a days. First of all tumblr is ******** , and of all the things that never happened, this never happened the most.
Like really, I'm sure at some point I said "Oh Girls are icky" or "Mom can I wear your high heel shoes?" and at no point were my parents like "OH MY GOD MY SONS GAY AND A TRANNY CAUSE HE SAID SOMETHING HE CANT PUT TOGETHER IN HIS UNDERDEVELOPED BRAIN, LETS DRESS HIM LIKE A GIRL" I mean, come on man, **** this genderfluid **** . Let a kid get to an age where they are capable of accurately being able to distinguish what they are feeling before you chop his ******* dick off.
If My son asks me if he can wear a dress I'll say no. If he asks me for candy all the time I'll say no. If he wants to play video games before doing his homework I'll say no. Call me a dick and a bigot, I don't ******* care, but the day I see a bunch of ******* 11 year old boys in dresses, I'm blowing my ******* head off.
User avatar #122 to #31 - mynameisnotmike ONLINE (11/04/2013) [-]
all of my this
User avatar #73 to #31 - jukuku (11/04/2013) [-]
"But the day I see a bunch of ******* 11 year old boys in dresses, I', blowing my ******* head off."

When even the most arbitrary social rules are broken the usual response is anger and disgust. You're a prime example of irrational emotional responses to the idea of something that doesn't harm anyone and isn't unhealthy or unhygienic.
User avatar #76 to #73 - lonesomemeheecan (11/04/2013) [-]
Transsexuals are mentally unstable. They commit suicide at a rate 10 times that of the average man. If you want to exacerbate the problem, go ahead.

See: The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire.
User avatar #79 to #76 - jukuku (11/04/2013) [-]
And accepting someone who isn't harming anyone by being who they are, isn't exacerbating the problem. Also, how the **** is the fall of the Roman Empire in anyway related to someone's sexuality and gender?
User avatar #82 to #79 - lonesomemeheecan (11/04/2013) [-]
You aren't familiar with that text are you? Sexual deviancy and degeneracy are attributed to the breakdown of Roman society. But you haven't read it so we won't discuss it.
User avatar #85 to #82 - jukuku (11/04/2013) [-]
I'm not going to pretend that I have an extensive knowledge on the downfall of Rome but I'd argue that the Germanic tribes constantly harassing Rome, the rising tax, political corruption and an over-extension of manpower was what primarily lead to Rome's downfall and the lead piping certainly wasn't helping.
User avatar #87 to #85 - lonesomemeheecan (11/04/2013) [-]
Yes, all factors that I can agree with.
User avatar #78 to #76 - jukuku (11/04/2013) [-]
Wearing different clothes doesn't make them transgender, you cannot mold a child into being gay or transgender. Yes the transgender suicide rate is higher but that doesn't mean the causation of transgender suicide is that they are transgender, it may be social rejection, bullying or abuse that comes with it.
User avatar #80 to #78 - lonesomemeheecan (11/04/2013) [-]
Transgender kids are only bullied at a rate of 2.8X that of the normal child. You can't bridge the gap based solely on bullying. And by the way you can influence a child into sexual orientation, if you tell a man from birth that he is one thing "Say Ubermensch" He is inclined to believe it.
User avatar #83 to #80 - jukuku (11/04/2013) [-]
First of all getting accurate statistics on the rate at which someone is bullied is quite difficult, and there are many variables in what may lead to a suicide for someone like that.
User avatar #84 to #83 - lonesomemeheecan (11/04/2013) [-]
Yes, their unstable medical condition being one of them.
As a matter of fact I was wrong, it appears 36% of Kids are bullied regularly while only 78% of kids who identify as trans are bullied, this is barely over the 2X rate.
User avatar #90 to #84 - jukuku (11/04/2013) [-]
Thanks for being civil about the discussion, this more often than not results in a string of insults.
User avatar #93 to #90 - lonesomemeheecan (11/04/2013) [-]
Ad hominems are for plebs.
User avatar #88 to #84 - jukuku (11/04/2013) [-]
I agree that someone having a gender identity that doesn't comply with their sex would probably cause some instability in the person but that doesn't mean they are to be treated any differently. I think we can agree that society has a general perception of transgender people and by talking with others about it the response is usually disgust. Maybe some of the suicides are due to them feeling disgusted with themselves, I'm just saying that I think we should try to make them feel as though they aren't some sort of leper and try to support them and anyone who is having trouble with mental health.
User avatar #91 to #88 - lonesomemeheecan (11/04/2013) [-]
No, this is the opposite of what we should be doing. If someone is mentally ill, you do not encourage it. We must address the fact that it is not a normal condition, and there must be options for them. We must accept that it is a reality, but we must also accept that it is not necessarily favorable. In cases where people with gender identity disorder sought mental health, the suicide rate dropped by 42%. They must be given alternatives, and when you rule out the possibility of treatment by labeling it as solely a non issue, they are the ones who lose out.
User avatar #95 to #91 - jukuku (11/04/2013) [-]
I think they should seek mental health treatment before moving forward with their gender identity but what I am saying is that it shouldn't be regarded as a disease, they should not be treated and regarded with disgust. If you are dealing with someone with a mental health issue like schizophrenia, harsh treatment and disgust is only going to harm them, even with the illness they are still a person. I think we're saying the same thing, just in different ways.
User avatar #97 to #95 - lonesomemeheecan (11/04/2013) [-]
So you think that they should seek psychiatric help before they make a decision? Do you think children are even capable of making this decision? Children are receiving hormones as early as 11, long before they are capable of understanding what they are doing. Transsexuals do not disgust me, it is the people who coerce their children into acting on such impulses that disgust me.
User avatar #102 to #97 - jukuku (11/04/2013) [-]
I think that hormone treatment is reflective of a personal issue. Someone who wants to change their sex is troubled in one way or another. As for a young person wanting to receive hormone treatment to change their body with hormones, I would say no in the end, I don't think that a person at a young age like that should be given hormones. it is a complicated issue like many things involving the mind are. There are certainly people who may have an association of disgust with themselves are are seeking to change themselves for unhealthy reasons but there is also a very likely chance that there are people who simply have a very feminine brain and hormonal balance that leaves them feeling as though they are in the wrong body. My initial point was that we shouldn't take behaviors that deviate from social norms so seriously and regard it for what it is at it's core, an innocent behavior that is in no way related to their sexuality or their sex. Kids are very curious and I don't yet buy into cultural norms, I don't think they should be made to feel guilty for that.
User avatar #104 to #102 - lonesomemeheecan (11/04/2013) [-]
No, they should not feel guilty. However why would you allow the this train of though in the first place?
Watch this video: www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJw3s85EcxM
All it starts out with are two naive parents and a kid wanting to wear a dress. Children are so malleable, I feel it is our responsibilty to make sure they know, not that they should.
#42 to #31 - idoliam (11/04/2013) [-]
Well said and I agree with waiting to let them make those decisions until they are able to really understand what they are feeling. Gif sorta but not really related.
Well said and I agree with waiting to let them make those decisions until they are able to really understand what they are feeling. Gif sorta but not really related.
#40 to #31 - anonymous (11/04/2013) [-]
said like a perfectly good parent.
parents should teach their children to be socially accpetable.
and if they decided to be trans or gays when they are older, thats fine.
id still feel dissapointed
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