I am still suprised that a white guy could say ****** on television without atleast one riot.

Yeah and you do NOT want to get caught with a dead black guy without a license for it.

You mean without the proper tags

They were blanks, if they weren't that wall probably wouldn't be white.

Blanks can still kill people y'know.

this is not a computer game son, low caliber bullets cant penetrate human body

you only saw shooting from hollywood movies dont you

you obviously seen too many movies, plus you can see blood on the shirt when he shot the ****** twice

>assuming everyone goes out packing a .44 magnum

The giveaway that they aren't blanks is because the gun is actually cycling. Blanks don't cycle a guns slide

Bullets can bounce and tumble m8, especially lower caliber ones. Those rounds could have bounced off the nignog's ribs, spine, stomach, diaphragm. His insides probably resembled ground beef.

Do you know what blanks are?

yeah go check the stickie, the dumb ass died

Don't know why you're thumbed down for speaking the truth.. **** what everyone wants to believe. They were prob blanks given the observation you made.

Only people who don't know jack **** about guns would say that though.
This isn't a ******* movie, bullets don't make gallons of blood spray 50 ft in the air all over the walls and **** .
Especially from a low caliber handgun.

No you ******* idiot, but bullets still make a small hole in the wall no matter the gun. Don't need to be a gun expert to have common sense

Unless they're hollowpoint, which are the most common for small arms.
Hollowpoint rounds are made to expand when they hit someone, preventing them from exiting the body.

No, but you can see not every shot hit the robber therefore striking the wall. Did you not catch that part??? Hollowpoint or not if a bullet hits an objects, it's going to leave a mark, even if it's a residue mark. Nothing was there, therefore justifying the bullets to be blanks.

Given the super low quality of the gif, and the fact that there's a news article citing this video, stating the dude died from gunshot wounds, I'd say it's not very likely they were blanks.

Have you ever even held a gun?

You play too many video games. You are also an idiot.

What are hollowpoints if you carry anything but hollow points or some kind of fast expanding defense round you are asking for over penetration and the possibility that you will accidentally kill somebody else that you had no intention of harming.

>buys gun for home/self defence
>"better put blanks in there, wouldn't want to shoot someone

The guy in the video clearly did

That'd be a smart thing to do in Sweden actually, our self defense laws are ******* ridiculous. If you shoot a robber and he doesn't have any firearm you will be convicted of manslaughter, if he's got a knife you gotta fight him with a knife, if he only has his fists you gotta fist fight him, but be careful not to punch him too much because then you can get convicted for assault. You also can't threaten someone for a longer period of time while waiting for the police because that counts as something called "frihetsberövande" which literally translates to "freedom deprivation" and that is the act of restraining someone for a longer period of time against their will which is illegal.

So yeah, if you manage to get a legal firearm (Which is darn difficult over here.) it might be wise to get blanks and shoot like a maniac to scare the intruder away, but don't tell anyone as you might get convicted for unlawful threats.

I refuse to believe that, seeing as Norways laws and Swedens laws are usually pretty similar. Most likely you have a self defense law, which basically allows you to shoot someone if your, or someone else, life is in danger. ***** coming at you with a knife? Shot the ************ .

However, if you continue your "self defense" after the target is no longer a treat, then sure. Also, someone who is trained in self defense can't shot an unarmed man unless a physical take down isn't possible. Judge will simply go "There was no need for you to shot him, seeing as you're trained you could've done a less harmful maneuver. I remember a few years ago someone defended themselves from a burglar, but got a fine for it himself. Made a huge ********* on facebook. Reason was that after he knocked the burglar out, he kept pounding him, probably for revenge.

We have similar laws, yes, but I know for a fact that our self defense laws are ******** . I recently wanted to get a self defense weapon and I ideally wanted to get a gun, but after reading about the law I came to the conclusion that the consequenses were too grave for it to be worth it so I decided to have my baseball bat ready instead, even that's risky, but you likely won't kill the "victim" with it. I also entertained the thought of putting my battle ready sword beside my bed in case a bad guy tries to kill me, but it's way too easy to accidentally murder someone with a sword and that is jail time.


Also, if someone attacks you with a knife and you kill him with a gun you WILL be convicted of manslaughter.

The problem with the laws surrounding excessive force is that you can't blame someone for continuing to punch a potential murderer after they're down when your own life is at stake and possibly your child's/wife's life, etc. Adrenaline is pumping and you're full of rage, if you just go "Alright, that's the exact force I needed, I shall proceed to call the local authorities and an ambulance so that this poor man won't get any permanent injuries and that he gets a fair trial." you are a ******* robot.

That's because we have a lot of hunters, I'm talking about pistols and assault rifles, I wasn't counting hunting rifles. They are not ideal for shooting multiple shots in a short period of time with either and you also have to pay well over a 1500-3000 dollars for it, rounds are extremely expensive (I'm not even sure you can get blanks over here for those guns by the way.) you also need to register with a hunting club or whatever it's called so the average city boy from Stockholm who has never set his foot out in the wild before can't just get a license and hang a gun up on his apartment wall in the middle of Stockholm without using it for anything.

It is not legal under most circumstances to restrain someone in your home unless you are 100% certain that they are there to burglarize or hurt you, the odds are not on your side if the dude is unarmed for example.

You might be able to get those, but never for self defense. If you are not a hunter you can just forget about getting a legal firearm for self defense purposes.

For the restraining issue, I still believe that you can barely get away with it and even if you don't get convicted you will with 100% certainty lose your license even if you merely threaten a criminal in your own home and killing in self defense basically never ends well even in obvious emergency cases.

One example I can think of is something that happened in a smaller town in 2007, a gang of teenagers had been harrassing a 19 year old mentally handicapped boy for a long period of time, as well as his sister. They had also assaulted them a few times and damaged their father's property several times. He had reported this to the police who did little to nothing about it.

Anyway, one night the gang stepped onto the man's property armed with melee weapons (Probably bats, knives, metal pipes or something of the like.) probably to assault the boy, possibly his sister and damage the house. The father panicked and went into the yard with a shotgun and shot and killed two of the teenagers, the other's got away unharmed. The handicapped boy called the police shortly after.

This man obviously should've had the right to defend himself and his family, but he was convicted of manslaughter. Luckily he didn't get jailed because he had psychiatric problems, but if he didn't, he'd surely get jail time. He also had to pay 21 500 USD to the "victim's" family.

Basically the same in Norway. A man was breaking in, threatening an elder couple. An off-duty cop saw it and stopped the man. He was later charged etc. Don't remember how it turned out, but the entire thing was ******** .

******** . Even civilans have the rights to stop criminals and detain them till the police arrives. There's plenty laws about this, but just look up paragraph 48 I believe, might have to search around a bit for nødverge paragrafen in our laws. That one states that you're allowed to kill in self defense, if required of course.

so Sweden doesn't have citizens arrest?

That kind of seems like another extreme, wouldn't it be pretty to get away with murder if you can just claim it was in self defense? Just stab yourself with a knife and shoot the nearest person in your house and claim he attacked you.

>Just stab yourself with a knife and shoot the nearest person in your house and claim he attacked you.

Chances are the person who attacked you doesn't have a clean record.

If you stab someone "near" you chances are that it's family or someone you know, and they're going to want to know why you did it. There will be a trial if there's even a sliver of a chance you did it.

Knife angle would be all wrong if you stabbed yourself, would show up in court.

But the guy said that there is no further investigation if you kill them in your own home, that's why it sounded easy. I also don't mean to literally just stab the first person you see, but if you want to kill someone you could invite a stranger to your house, shoot him, then stab yourself and then say he attacked you with a knife.

>But the guy said that there is no further investigation

He probably means under the perfect circumstances of there being an intruder and the intruder having prior offenses, maybe there's evidence of a break in, etc.

The cops aren't fools, they'll investigate it and if there's anything suspicious they'll take you to court where you can still win.

That's what I suspected, it sounded too "good" to be true.

>it sounded too "good" to be true.

Well the amount of "too good" situations is pretty high in the US. Usually the person involved in a home invasion DOES have prior convictions or a violent crime past. Very few people are shooting their neighbors. So the cops have a pretty easy time of it (letting you off)

Holy **** do you also get arrested for breathing on him too hard?

Wouldn't surprise me, when street fights erupt the last man standing is usually always the main suspect with the worst odds in court and unless you have very strong evidence that the knocked out guy striked first you're looking at serious jail time for it and even if you can prove that it was in self defense you are still looking at excessive force that will be in your police record for a long time, knocking out someone is guaranteed to get you in trouble.

Wow, now I can see why you guys are so eager to let the Muslims take over your country.

sweden sounds like it's run by tardwizards

Sounds like you've hit the nail on the head there, buddy.

but then again i live in america, cant really throw stones in that department

sounds like it would be easier to stab them to death and bury them in your garden

Basically, at least if they are unarmed.

Protip: Always carry two of X weapons in Sweden, if you kill the other guy just give him your spare weapon - Legal
#Lawyered

though it seems stupid for americans its a good option in countries where carry guns are a nono

>Brazil
>'carry guns are a nono'
>hueheuheuhueh

>unload capgun at thug
>he kills you and rapes your daughter because you didn't fill his chest with lead
Yeah good plan.

its not a capgun it is loud and startling, your instincts set in and you run away

I don't think you've ever been shot at or shot at someone. You can't predict someone's reaction in that situation.

Relying on nothing but "fight or flight" to scare people off isn't the best of ideas, since "fight" is an option there. Yeah, he might be afraid, or he might be pissed off.
You'd be better off with a bat or a collapsible baton than a gun with blanks.

in my country carying a batong is a no no and any knife is also illegal

If you carry a baseball bat and glove in your back seat at well times you have protection and an excuse for a bat in the car

Oh. Well have you tried moving out of the dystopian police-state ******** ?

well yeah, i am thinking about moving to the us and going to gunsmithing school

You should totally do it. Despite the "mass shootings", it's safe enough here, since you're allowed to defend yourself.

i do not value my life that much anyway so mass shooting is just a easy way out i guess

Not really, since deaths from those are surprisingly low.

im realy found of the supermarkets you have over there, i mean if you need anything its most likely there and even ammo in some states

Yeah, some of them are massive.

call me crazy but i have been to florida 4 times and yet i have not seen any '' florida man '' types of people

Well, most of the states are absolutely massive, so it's hard to encounter all types of people.

I live in Florida and work in a gun store, we get a lot of interesting charters, but nothing too rough

Florida has some weird characters. Local pawn shop I frequent is in a bit of a sketchy area. Literally every time I visit, Every employee has a 500 s&w magnum on their hip.


They've never had a lick of trouble over the years though, So I guess its working out for them

Yeah, Its not a deterrent, Its a solution



One might even say its The Final Solution

Didn't this take place in South Africa?

I think someone mentioned that the last time this got posted.

South America maybe. i think it was Brazil, though I'm not sure.

Aren't hollow points illegal as **** , though? As far as I remember, any kind of weapon and/or ammo designed to maximize pain is forbidden by Geneva Convention.

Pepper spray is illegal under the Geneva convention, too...
But those laws regulate international warfare, not civilian use in self defense.

Ah, that makes sense.

Why is pepper spray illegal, though?

It falls under the classification of a "chemical weapon."

educate yourself before make yourself look like an idiot next time

I was probably thinking of some other kind of ammo then. Therefore, the question mark.

But good thing there are people around who are able to calmly explain your mistake without the need for name calling or excessive down thumbing /s

when you have to work 16 hour days in the sun with few breaks then go to night classes nothing is ever calm unless you smoke a blunt. But i do realize i came off in a rude manor and should have tried to correct you in an informative/educational way and for that i apologize.

Nope. The AR right next to me is loaded up with a full mag of hollow point varmint rounds. Not that i plan on shooting squirrels and **** with it. It's so i dont put holes in my walls if somebody decides they wanna break into my house.

Dude, those rounds are moving at like.... 3,000fps. FMJ or HP, it doesn't matter, at point blank , it's probably going straight through the robber and right into the next room

you'd be surprised at what can stop a bullet. When they hit and mushroom out, they loose LOADS of speed. Most ive ever seen a varmint round penetrate (ballistics gel) is 10 inches at the very most.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=fywBaNSRYGA

I see now. I was watching a video by tnoutdoors9. He was getting 14 inches of penetration at 50 yards, but he was using 75 gr BTHP. The extra mass probably gave it the extra penetration. I am curious however, what type of penetration they would get shooting from point blank.

My M&P Shield is loaded with gold dot. My dad is holding onto some Black Talons in his Sig P226 in case **** goes real haywire on his property.

IIRC some states they are illegal and fmj are legal for self defence, while some states its vice versa. Mostly because tthey have a higher chance of killing some one and the cops of those states debated that they would rather be shot by fmj then hollow point and in some states the civillians want hollow point since they want too be sure that possibly high adrenaline filled robbers die as quick as possible as well as making sure that all bullets either stop inside the perptrator or the nearest object that it hits. My brother was in the military and he told me the old ag3 our military used was dubbed something like "wife killer" because the powerful 7.62 x 51mm NATO would go straight through the sand ****** s, the brick walls and hit the wife in the other room. Similar thing happend to americans that were fighting drug filled pirates in Somalia, it would take minuts to kill the crazed ******* with regular 5.56mm so they wanted somthing bigger and so we got the beautiful monster that is .458 SOCOM. Moral of the story is, ap/fmj rounds take time to kill and have a high chance of collateral damage, while hollow point and other similar rounds kill alot quicker and much more effeciently. hollow point has been dubbed "cop killer" many places, mostly why it is illegal. /rant Pic related. Upon inspection it looks like a small vibrator lol

Yeah thats why they started using 5.56 NATO instead of 7.62x51mm for infantry men, since the smaller 5.56mm NATO will lose alot of its initlial energy in the first thing it hits.

That ******* round turns me on for very good reason.

We can buy ******* AP rounds in the US even incendiary tracers

hell no. we can still buy them, I just picked up these bad boys for my EDC sig

If we're talking about same hollow points, they are designed to spread as much as possible once inside persons body, maximizing internal organ damage.

I might have confused it with some other kind of ammo, been a while since I kept track of stuff like this.

While they do cause more damage, they are designed to not carry through the body and stay in the first person they hit.

How is avoiding collateral damage insane? They were first used by cops, because they didn't want the possibility of hitting anyone standing behind the target.

you are correct, hollow points straight up wreck hoes

We can own just about anything except for rounds involving chemicals illegal for civilian use.

This includes anything registered as a "destructive device", meaning you can totally own an AT RPG-7 grenade, a landmine, flashbangs, but you have to get them registered.

You cannot however, own anything made with depleted uranium, white phosphorous, or any other material otherwise illegal to own.