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#137 - azzaziel (10/07/2013) [-]
holy shit.   
   
If I stood responsible for someone's career to survive I would feel motherfucking bad after the surgery
holy shit.

If I stood responsible for someone's career to survive I would feel motherfucking bad after the surgery
User avatar #154 to #137 - snowshark (10/07/2013) [-]
It's not just a career that was ruined. It was about 10% of that guy's life's work shat on as well as his dreams. Cameron Lyle acted like a saint but FUCK the guy who gave him the decision in the ass! Is it really moral to take a generous guy with a big heart and offer him his dreams over someone's dead body? Was there no way for someone else to give the marrow?

That is just unfair on Lyle and an insult to medicine, which is meant to be about making people's live's better, fucking nice-guys over.
User avatar #197 to #154 - timowashere (10/07/2013) [-]
the guy didn't know who it was. He probably knows now because of all the articles. They are not allowed to meet each other for a year.
User avatar #206 to #197 - snowshark (10/07/2013) [-]
I was talking about the guy that gave the decision to Lyle, not the guy who received the marrow.
User avatar #195 to #154 - germed (10/07/2013) [-]
You do realise that he wasn't forced or pressured into donating, he genuinely wanted to do something good for someone.
Imagine that patients family and friends, just because he had leukemia doesn't mean he didn't have anything a normal person does. Would you rather know that you saved someone's life and they continued to live a long and happy life with their family because of you, or get the empty title of a champion discus thrower?
And it's not like he can never play sports again, he donated bone marrow, not an organ.

Don't be such an ignorant dick.
User avatar #207 to #195 - snowshark (10/07/2013) [-]
Of course he was pressured into donating. If he would just give it up like that of COURSE he was! Not by doctors or legal agencies, by his own conscious! It is immoral to take people with strong morals like that and offer them their future if they're happy to vault over a few corpses. If he does, he always feels guilty until he dies, if he doesn't, goodbye to his fucking future and a solid dump is taken on 10% of his life.

He had to give up his professional career as an athlete because of that. That's just immoral! Was there really nobody who was living a more sedentary lifestyle who could have made the transplant? I can assure you there was. We don't act like it but the list of donors is pretty big for cases that are rare/non-life-threatening like bone-marrow transplants.

Read what the post says and think about why it says what is says, maybe do some research next time and you won't come across as an ignorant fuckwit with such a moralboner up your arse you don't think of the most basic and obvious cruelty you can give to a good person, crippling moral guilt.
User avatar #208 to #207 - germed (10/07/2013) [-]
You must think this guy was an idiot, he knows there may have been other donors, he was only contacted because he was a 100% match, which isn't all that common if you didn't know that. He was just the first to respond the to the request. Please elaborate how saving someone's life is immoral, what part of "voluntary" do you not understand?
I can assure you I don't have a "moralboner" I couldn't give two shits about what other people do with their lives, but if it was my decision I would get a lot more satisfaction out of knowing I saved someone's life than throwing a heavy frisbee.

Most people never do anything of significance in their lifetime, and no, sports does not help the human race. So I fail to see how doing something that ensured someone's survival is a "solid dump on 10% of his life" it was his decision, and I'm sure a lot of other people would have done the same in a heartbeat, there is no reason to get so worked up over it.
Who the fuck watches discus anyway?
User avatar #210 to #208 - snowshark (10/07/2013) [-]
"Who the fuck watches discus anyway?"

So I can't be angry at the doctor who gave a man with more morality than rationality (not an idiot, by the way... there is a strict definition I stand to with idiots and that wasn't it) a decision between his future and someone else's.

But you can totally spit on his dreams and something he evidently cared a great deal about? Who watches discus? Perhaps he wasn't in it for the fame or the glory, perhaps he was in it because he enjoyed it? That heavy frisbee must have been very important to him if he'd pour that much time into getting better at throwing it.

How is he going to spend his life now? Well I can tell you what he won't be, an athlete. He won't have the chance to live out his dreams because he was too good a man to let someone else take a life/death risk.

He is not the one at fault, the one at fault was the doctor who gave him the choice. This guy willingly destroyed his dreams for this stranger. THAT is immoral! It is exploiting him. It's immoral to make your mates pay for your pint, hell it's even worse to make your mate pay for everyone's pints. But if he's a nice guy he'll do it, because he's a good guy. Same with this guy.

Altruism is admirable. Hedonism is despicable. But to live a good life you need both. Give too much and you lose everything. Give too little and you gain nothing. It is the balance between kindness and selfishness that makes men whole and this guy was too nice for his own good.

Wether it was his decision or not, it was the wrong one and he made it because he was too good a man. I can't stand to see good people suffering unnecessarily and that's what this is, a good guy made to suffer for someone else. I admire his strength of morality, but he lacked the willpower to say no, find someone whose life won't be crippled by this decision.

Balance is maturity. Sensible & silly. Good & bad. Kind & cruel. Why should the man who suffers most suffer because nobody else had the guts to take the bullet?
User avatar #211 to #210 - germed (10/07/2013) [-]
I understand your point, but the doctor did nothing wrong, the volunteers are names on a list, Lyle was a 100% match so they contacted him and and asked him what he wanted to do, he knew the consequences and he made a decision.

No one has the right to get angry in his place for what he did it just means he valued a young man's life more than he valued his goal. He said himself it was a "nobrainer" It's not immoral or unjust that a doctor was doing his job.

What you don't understand is; it's not the doctors decision whether or not the patient deserves to be treated "oh this guy is working towards a goal, wow better let this patient die instead of contacting him and asking him if he wants to help save a mans life"

Please think of this from other participants perspectives for a moment and realise this is a lot less complicated than you're making it out to be.
Like I said, Lyle was a 100% match, they're not not going to contact him about it, especially since he VOLUNTEERED TO BE A PART OF IT BEFOREHAND. Meaning he was already up for it before he even got the offer, no single person is at fault here. You think people just sign up to be donors without expecting to get contacted if they find a match? That's just plain stupidity. Think for a second.
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