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anon (11/18/2015) [-]
So he murdered people, a woman and kid no less, but because he feels bad about it we should feel sorry for him?
Cause I don't.
Cause I don't.
No, you don't feel "sorry for him".
You feel sorry for the terrible environment that ****** up a child into adulthood, and you give him the one bit of respect he deserves: being considered a human being.
Too often people think of a person in prison as scum of the earth, not even human, and leave it to be someone else's problem. But there is a person behind those bars. Someone who ****** up, but still a person.
You feel sorry for the terrible environment that ****** up a child into adulthood, and you give him the one bit of respect he deserves: being considered a human being.
Too often people think of a person in prison as scum of the earth, not even human, and leave it to be someone else's problem. But there is a person behind those bars. Someone who ****** up, but still a person.
You know, a way to rehabilitate and change criminals is to actually show them love and compassion. Ever think about that?
But that would work against any idea of the US commen faggat about how prison should work sphin, silly you~
I agree. This is what's in my book: the moment I saw the panel that said what he actually did to get into prison, I stopped feeling any empathy for him. **** that. The moment you commit such a crime against your own kind, you forfeit any right to be sympathized with. Of course he is still to be treated like a human, lest we lose our own humanity. But sympathy? No. The moment you realize in your heart what a truly evil thing it is to needlessly take a human's life, let alone a child's, is the moment you will understand what I'm saying.
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anon (11/19/2015) [-]
Well, somebody missed the entire point of what the guy was saying.
(Hint: it's you. The entire point. You missed it.)
Also, if your only reason for treating people humanely is so that you don't lose your own humanity, then it's... Well. It's selfish, essentially. You want to treat people humanely for your sake, not theirs.
(Hint: it's you. The entire point. You missed it.)
Also, if your only reason for treating people humanely is so that you don't lose your own humanity, then it's... Well. It's selfish, essentially. You want to treat people humanely for your sake, not theirs.
As I said I stopped caring about his hurt feelings the moment I realized this is a childkiller . The scum of the earth. I'm not the judgemental type but this **** rustles me beyond belief
nah i dont thinks thats the point.. pretty sure he doesn't want forgiveness. its just kinda crazy what people do... good and bad. humans suck, but they can be prety awesome too.
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anon (11/19/2015) [-]
I have no idea why people are thumbing this down, He's right. It doesn't matter what happened in your life, that doesn't excuse anything he's done. You are 100% responsible for your decisions.
My stepdad beat the **** out of me and I didn't go on to be a dindu who murders women and children.
My stepdad beat the **** out of me and I didn't go on to be a dindu who murders women and children.
He's not a Dindu.. He was admitting he was wrong and said he did the worst murder possible. He was thankful that this woman showed him what real love was. He was sorry, and wasn't asking forgiveness, he was expressing his happiness that he knew what it really was.
"wasn't asking forgiveness"
please post this 1000 times in this comment section until people understand.
please post this 1000 times in this comment section until people understand.
i genuinely predicted that as soon as i posted it. i forgot i was on FJ were 99% of replies to an opinion are snarky and self-righteous (me included)
to clarify though im on your side and so many people are finding ways to call him a dindu even though this story is about something else entirely and at no point does he claim to be redeemed.
to clarify though im on your side and so many people are finding ways to call him a dindu even though this story is about something else entirely and at no point does he claim to be redeemed.
You should feel sad that some father in this ******* disgusting world had the audacity to beat their kid and said they did it because of love, if that isnt deranged i dno what is ... All the psychopaths in the world had traumas like this... Parenting... is everything.
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anon (11/18/2015) [-]
Entirely different person - posting as anon because I do not want the personal information public.
"Parenting is everything." Both my siblings and I were abused. None of us have become criminals, drug addicts or even well-fare recipients. Moment I was old enough I got myself emancipated and took care of two siblings (I know I said none of uf became well-fare recipients, I did mean in adult life - we received aid / help then).
It is sad, very very sad to read and hear that people go through this, but it's not a valid reason to feel sorry for a grown man who murdered someone, choice was his, I am more moved by the actions of the mother/grandmother did what she did. Also no, not all psychopaths in the world had traumas like that, not even close - being a pyschopath, even a sociopath, is not limited to people being abused.
"Parenting is everything." Both my siblings and I were abused. None of us have become criminals, drug addicts or even well-fare recipients. Moment I was old enough I got myself emancipated and took care of two siblings (I know I said none of uf became well-fare recipients, I did mean in adult life - we received aid / help then).
It is sad, very very sad to read and hear that people go through this, but it's not a valid reason to feel sorry for a grown man who murdered someone, choice was his, I am more moved by the actions of the mother/grandmother did what she did. Also no, not all psychopaths in the world had traumas like that, not even close - being a pyschopath, even a sociopath, is not limited to people being abused.
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kingpongthedon (11/18/2015) [-]
It's not an excuse, it's an explanation. There is a massive amount of data linking this kind of upbringing with this kind of behavior later in life. Having grown up in an unstable household myself, I know how difficult it has been for me to acclimate myself to the rest of the world. I graduated from college, have a good job, good life etc. but I still have to make a conscious effort not to act like white trash in a professional environment. More often than not I'm at the opposite end of the spectrum, I'm known for being the cooler head, maybe you're the same way. Regardless, my upbringing had a huge impact on who I am today and I'm positive yours did too. They're two very well documented responses to the same stimuli.
I can confirm, I was abused by my brothers and sisters growing up. Even though I try to remain calm in everyday live situations, I have an anger that I can't seem to control only suppress. In all fairness it scares me everyday and I'm worried that one day I'll snap and no longer be the person I am.
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dyingalone (11/18/2015) [-]
Nobody is born evil. Everyone has free will. The guy had a **** childhood and that's unfortunate, however he murdered 2 people in cold blood and doesnt deserve sympathy
There is a difference between sympathy and justice. The guy is and should be serving a life sentence for the evil he committed, what he did was horrible and he isnt asking forgiveness. The guy authentically is reflecting in his life and how he got there through emotional trauma and mistakes, that can invoke sympathy in many of us. No one is letting him off the hook for what he does, we are awknowledging his troubled past anc his owning up to it and changing himself.
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dyingalone (11/18/2015) [-]
I never said there arent bad people. However, nobody is born evil. Just because someone is born a psychopath doesn't make them evil.
Why should i need to state any facts to you proving this? Check it up yourself. Watch some ******* documentaries, why should i waste my time enlightening a complete mongoloid like yourself?
The only reason i called you a retard is because you were typing like one.
There's a lot of criminals that have stated they were abused in their early life, some havent because of the embarrassment, some people are just genuinely evil, like you refered to Ted Bundy, there are others aswell.
And i cant say i encourage your statement about this being an excuse to kill people, i certainly don't feel like it's an excuse for what they have done, the people they killed.
I'd rather see them dead. Feel you misunderstood my whole sentence...
The only reason i called you a retard is because you were typing like one.
There's a lot of criminals that have stated they were abused in their early life, some havent because of the embarrassment, some people are just genuinely evil, like you refered to Ted Bundy, there are others aswell.
And i cant say i encourage your statement about this being an excuse to kill people, i certainly don't feel like it's an excuse for what they have done, the people they killed.
I'd rather see them dead. Feel you misunderstood my whole sentence...
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vigilantej (11/18/2015) [-]
actually and down vote me all you want idc but you are wrong you tried to say all killers are killers because of trauma ect and all this dude was saying is that is not true, he even showed you an example of how you where wrong then he even furtherd that by saying "many people have a **** childhood, not all of them use it as an excuse to kill people" which again is very valid, as i personally know many victims of child abuse/ negligence some who where raped others who where beaten ect and none of them to my knowledge have killed any one. With the examples of ted bundy having a good life and killing people, and knowing some people have had terribles lives and dont kill people invalidates your whole point, except for the point that abuse CAN lead to psychopathic or homicidal people but not a direct cause. From a psychological perspective the trauma doesn't cause people to kill other people its the inability for the brain to cope with the abuse properly a properly adjusted person wont kill others because they where hurt in fact if anything they would be less likly to do it as they have experienced it themselves as they are sane enough to put together that what happened to them was wrong cruel and shouldn't happen but with murders or psychopaths the brain cannot adjust well enough but still tries but if the person is not mentally strong enough to endure the trauma (before you say **** , it is a strength thats why some people can withstand torture others cannot) they start to turn off their emotions to cope with the negative feelings or they warp their morals and mindset into a thinking of "this is how the world works/ is i am just apart of it or trying to fix it" or w/e other ****** illogical beliefs as to why the way they are acting is acceptable
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vigilantej (11/18/2015) [-]
hey buddy not the anon in question but im logged in and i agree with his point and if you re-read the argument presented by both you see that #28 who you where siding with had no relevant argument so he resorted to name calling ill show you with the reader digest version robdabob" this is sick parenting is everything and parents are the cause of murders" anon" no its not the parents faults every one must be responsible for their own actions instead of blaming others also not all killers have trauma refer to ted bundy" robdabob "well most ahd trauma and the rest where just born evil" anon" so your wrong not all killers have trauma" robdabob" are you really this retarded" see he had no comeback he even defacto made an admission that invalidated his first point but still thinks he is right and insults someone else then when asked for sources instead of proving his point goes "im not wasting my time on a mongroloid" 2nd insult because he has no proof but nah dude the anon is totally wrong
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robdabob ONLINE (11/18/2015) [-]
Twisting words like a ************ , you might be working for Fox News.
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vigilantej (11/18/2015) [-]
twisting words lol? i paraphrased yes but if you want ill gladly do direct quotes from you to prove my point but nah keep shouting your bs to say you are right and your reaction image must totally proves your point as you haven't even tried to contradict me because you know you are wrong, just like with the last person he proves you wrong and you resorted to insults like a elementary school child
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robdabob ONLINE (11/18/2015) [-]
Maybe i stretched it a bit with the "All psychopaths have had traumas" english isn't my main language, so sometimes it gets ***** . (Sorry for being human cocksucker.)
Here's one source of what i was talking about www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3871837/ Even thought i did not get it from that site, but a documentary that i cannot recall right now.
Thing is, because of that snarky comment he made (#18) i kinda snapped and didn't want to prove myself right to him.
Here's one source of what i was talking about www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3871837/ Even thought i did not get it from that site, but a documentary that i cannot recall right now.
Thing is, because of that snarky comment he made (#18) i kinda snapped and didn't want to prove myself right to him.
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vigilantej (11/18/2015) [-]
see i like the sources very good but i can point out already a flaw in this (i haven't seen the documentary in question so i cant comment on their sources" is this while yes it does say there is a link which i never disputed but these cases are "just a sample of some violent offenders in Italy" now to show you this from said article and its a direct quote
"Conclusions
Findings of this study suggest that an early exposure to relational trauma in childhood can play a relevant role in the development of more severe psychopathic traits." the keyword here is CAN play a relevant role and even in the link you provided it says under results that there is a high prevalence of abuse leading to psychopaths but not a universal global prevalence.
now for my sources www.nytimes.com/2005/08/02/nyregion/nj-teenagers-charged-in-the-dismemberment-of-the-girl-next-door.html?_r=0 this story i recently saw on tv these kids had a relatively okayish life and this next one is a girl who murderd her entire family little brothers and all because the parents wouldnt let her date a guy she liked www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2165285/Father-forgives-daughter-murdering-entire-family-aged-16-hopes-walk-prison-shes-served-time.html
inb4 well its america hur der of course killings i used them as they where easy to find and records made public im sure i could find other cases in other countries but i don't want to try and find translated versions of article in another language
"Conclusions
Findings of this study suggest that an early exposure to relational trauma in childhood can play a relevant role in the development of more severe psychopathic traits." the keyword here is CAN play a relevant role and even in the link you provided it says under results that there is a high prevalence of abuse leading to psychopaths but not a universal global prevalence.
now for my sources www.nytimes.com/2005/08/02/nyregion/nj-teenagers-charged-in-the-dismemberment-of-the-girl-next-door.html?_r=0 this story i recently saw on tv these kids had a relatively okayish life and this next one is a girl who murderd her entire family little brothers and all because the parents wouldnt let her date a guy she liked www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2165285/Father-forgives-daughter-murdering-entire-family-aged-16-hopes-walk-prison-shes-served-time.html
inb4 well its america hur der of course killings i used them as they where easy to find and records made public im sure i could find other cases in other countries but i don't want to try and find translated versions of article in another language
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vigilantej (11/18/2015) [-]
ahh okay thats fine XD but ya if your curios just go back and check reaction image aside be careful with bandwagons on this site i.e the instantly hate on anons and assume their wrong or not internet is a "free" palce after all
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vigilantej (11/18/2015) [-]
ahh i just got nothing better to do waiting for the weedman to hit me back
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vigilantej (11/18/2015) [-]
yes the person who sells me weed who also happens to me a man lol just trying to be an ass im expecting a text any minute now so i cant start any games as id hate to leave in the middle of one
Way to miss the point, cynic bitch. The point is mainly to show a case of rehabilitation and reeducation through just love.
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anon (11/18/2015) [-]
Ah yes, we should let out murderers because now he knows what love is.
I see the light.
Never mind the lives of the people he killed, now he knows how to love!
I'm sure hearts are melting around the world because a murderer made friends with a little old lady.
Prison shouldn't be about rehabilitation, it's about keeping dangerous people away from civilized society. It's supposed to be a punishment.
I see the light.
Never mind the lives of the people he killed, now he knows how to love!
I'm sure hearts are melting around the world because a murderer made friends with a little old lady.
Prison shouldn't be about rehabilitation, it's about keeping dangerous people away from civilized society. It's supposed to be a punishment.
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anon (11/18/2015) [-]
you need to know more of sweden and resocialization, we progressive and tolerant now so there is no point of punishment as to scare people enough to not murdering someone, we need to give them a chance for all humans are equal. all we need is love, trust, candy, and sharing
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anon (11/18/2015) [-]
I'm guessing his opinion, because this is is mine, is that he has gone past the point of no return, killing a (presumably innocent) woman and child. The weird thing is that my father did the exact same things to me, with basically the exact same quotes of "this hurts you more than it hurts me" and "its because I love you". However, I'm not going to kill people because of what my dad did to me. My perspective is that he can find love all he wants but he is still not forgivable in my eyes and more