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#9 - anon (09/04/2015) [-]
Uhh did we forget the Jews don't actually believe in Jesus.
#40 to #9 - anon (09/05/2015) [-]
yes, they didnt believe in "the king of jews"...

study study study ;)
#133 to #40 - gilgameshxplains (09/05/2015) [-]
Some mongrel typing like an 11 year-old making a Facebook post is telling someone else to study? Well you're just an anon so I doubt you'll be looking back for responses but I'll explain this anyway.

Jesus of Nazareth, in the Judaic faith, was only a prophet of God, similar to Elijah or Moses. He was not believed to be their King or their Messiah, or even the Son of God. In the Christian faith he is all of the above. So no, the Jews don't believe Jesus to be their king.
User avatar #39 to #9 - mrwalkerfour ONLINE (09/05/2015) [-]
they believe in his existence, but not his legitimacy as a messiah
#69 to #39 - anon (09/05/2015) [-]
Exactly. They basically think of him as a prophet who eventually lost his mind.
User avatar #28 to #9 - theism ONLINE (09/04/2015) [-]
He was mockingly referred to as the king of the Jews during his execution.
#113 to #28 - anon (09/05/2015) [-]
Except by Pilate, who demanded his headstone read "here lies the king of the Jews". When the religious head of the Jews complained about this, pilate told him "did I ******* stutter?"
#22 to #9 - toohntown (09/04/2015) [-]
Who is to say he isn't trying to fight God.
User avatar #21 to #9 - greyhoundfd (09/04/2015) [-]
Jews believe in Jesus, they just don't believe that he was the savior of mankind like Christians do.
#36 to #21 - therealyou (09/04/2015) [-]
They don't believe he has come again unlike christiains so they think we are still living in a time jesus hasn't returned to save us
User avatar #25 to #21 - iitoxictz (09/04/2015) [-]
I believe jesus in Judaism was hailed more of a prophet than the son of god
User avatar #26 to #25 - greyhoundfd (09/04/2015) [-]
Pretty much, ja.
User avatar #16 to #9 - dangler ONLINE (09/04/2015) [-]
If Hitler was a Christian, he believed he was the king of the Jews. INRI and all that.
User avatar #14 to #9 - cocolicoco (09/04/2015) [-]
Hum hum...
Jesus was a jew
#87 to #14 - anon (09/05/2015) [-]
Yes but that doesnt mean the jewish religion believed in him as the son of god. Christianity believes him to be a jew, it's them who claim it. It's like if the pope said one of their saints was muslim, doesnt automatically meant islam should accept them.
User avatar #89 to #87 - cocolicoco (09/05/2015) [-]
True, it only means that hitler have a good reason to kill Jesus
#12 to #9 - bismarcksback (09/04/2015) [-]
Actually, TECHNICALLY, Christians are Jews. The first Christians didn't call themselves Christians, they called themselves Jews. But today's Christianity have derived way to much from Judaism to be classified as a type of Judaism, it has become its own religion.
User avatar #116 to #12 - etiennesk ONLINE (09/05/2015) [-]
Jew is a ethnically tied religion. You can be a Jew and follow other religions, but you can't become a Jew. inb4 trans-jew army you can follow the jewish faith, but Jews will never accept you as a Jew.

The early Christians were Jews because they were born Jews and that was their ancestry. Some early Hebrew Christians may have believed that Christianity was just an extension of Judaism, but the two were so vastly different that this wouldn't hold much water. You can see the letters of Paul where he never once tries to make Greeks Jew; he knew he couldn't. He wanted them to be Christian, which was not a ethnically bound religion.
User avatar #132 to #116 - Ruspanic (09/05/2015) [-]
You actually can convert to Judaism and be accepted, it's just that Jews don't make any effort to convert anyone.
User avatar #136 to #132 - etiennesk ONLINE (09/05/2015) [-]
Oh? I was under the impression that though you could convert to the religion, they had a different outlook toward you because you weren't ethnically Jew.

I've never been Jewish, though, so I'm glad to have learned something today. unless you're lying to me jk, no one would lie on the internet The only Jew i knew was a kid in my high school who loved Hitler jokes and never wore a shirt in class. I'm not amazingly experienced in jewish culture.
User avatar #139 to #136 - Ruspanic (09/05/2015) [-]
Well, there aren't many Jewish converts but I've heard of people converting to Judaism after marrying Jews. I don't know how much ethnicity matters if you're a religious Jew, to be honest. Some Jews might discriminate, I suppose, but ultimately if you say you're Jewish most people will take you at your word. You can't necessarily tell if someone's Jewish based on their appearance. lSome Jews do share physical characteristics like dark curly hair and big noses, but other Jews may look totally different despite having Hebrew ancestry - there are actually African and Chinese Jews that can trace their ancestry back to Israel.
User avatar #102 to #12 - ohshoot (09/05/2015) [-]
But you said it yourself, if we're talking contemporary Judaism, only the old testament is valid, so they deny Jesus.
User avatar #103 to #102 - bismarcksback (09/05/2015) [-]
But the first Christians still called him king of the Jews nonetheless. It was a title he bore his entire life until his death. Changing Judaism into Christianity won't change that.
User avatar #104 to #103 - ohshoot (09/05/2015) [-]
I'm talking contemporary, man.
User avatar #105 to #104 - bismarcksback (09/05/2015) [-]
Today's beliefs don't apply to the past. But if you are talking Contemporary you are right. (English is not my first language so that slipped past me)
User avatar #106 to #105 - ohshoot (09/05/2015) [-]
Oh, sorry. I understand Jesus will always be King of the Hebrews, which are basically Jews, so you're also correct.
User avatar #107 to #106 - bismarcksback (09/05/2015) [-]
Always fun debating/discussing.
#51 to #12 - Mr Unsmiley (09/05/2015) [-]
...no, they're not.
Christians only follow Christ, they don't follow Jewish traditions. Judaism is completely separate from Christianity in that it's a religion as well as ethnically-inclusive. The first Christians definitely didn't call themselves Jews, because a good deal of them were Gentiles and kept calling themselves that.

You become Christian by professing Jesus as your savior, you "become" Jewish by either being born into it or by converting to the faith as well as going through paperwork so that their niche of society recognizes you as Jewish.

TL: DR Read the Bible.
User avatar #118 to #51 - rejakted (09/05/2015) [-]
Looks like someone doesn't know their religious history.
User avatar #98 to #51 - bismarcksback (09/05/2015) [-]
Oh and yea I forgot this.
"Jewish Christians, also Hebrew Christians or Judeo-Christians, were the original members of the Jewish movement that later became Christianity.[1] In the earliest stage the community was made up of all those Jews who accepted Jesus as a venerable person or even the Messiah. As Christianity grew and evolved, Jewish Christians became only one strand of the early Christian community, characterised by combining the confession of Jesus as Christ with continued adherence to Jewish traditions such as Sabbath observance, observance of the Jewish calendar, observance of Jewish laws and customs, circumcision, and synagogue attendance, and by a direct genetic relationship to the earliest Jewish Christians.[1]"
User avatar #140 to #98 - Mr Unsmiley (09/05/2015) [-]
That's how they started. The other moron was saying that Christians ARE Jews, which is false. Some of the first Christians were Jews, but some of them were also Gentiles. If you want to be specific, then yes, the absolute first people to follow Christ were Jewish, but only in the 5 years or so before Paul converted to Christianity.
#96 to #51 - bismarcksback (09/05/2015) [-]
"The first Christians, as described in the first chapters of the Acts of the Apostles, were all Jewish, either by birth, or conversion for which the biblical term proselyte is used,[1] and referred to by historians as the Jewish Christians. The early Gospel message was spread orally; probably in Aramaic,[2] but almost immediately also in Greek.[3] The New Testament's Book of Acts and Epistle to the Galatians record that the first Christian community was centered in Jerusalem and its leaders included Peter, James, and John.[4] Paul of Tarsus, after his conversion to Christianity, claimed the title of "Apostle to the Gentiles". Paul's influence on Christian thinking is said to be more significant than any other New Testament author.[5] By the end of the 1st century, Christianity began to be recognized internally and externally as a separate religion from Judaism which itself was refined and developed further in the centuries after the destruction of the Second Jerusalem Temple."
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_Christianity

As you can see here, the first Christians saw them self as a branch of Judaism. You might argue that they weren't "true Jews" but they saw themselves as Jews nonetheless.
#10 to #9 - anon (09/04/2015) [-]
Ya... in fact Hitler is siding WITH the jews on this one.
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