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anon (08/26/2015) [-]
People who like Trump need to take a step back and look at how Trump would affect foreign relations
Then again I'm pretty sure half of you want a war
Then again I'm pretty sure half of you want a war
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elsenortamatoe (08/27/2015) [-] Thats just the thing. Most social issues are a vocal minority. Most domestic problems can be traced to poverty. Our system works great, if everyone plays into it. \
Healthcare is fine, if you have insurance. Now it is super expensive, limited competition, and required or you pay fines. (this is the reform...)
Education is ****** because we are all "equal", meaning the person in the room that will barely be able to pump gas when they grow up is being taught at the same speed and level as the smart kids. They hold everyone to the same ****** standard. Also thats mostly black "schools" that are so bad. White schools are pretty good (they have good funding because the district generates tax revenue, but in black communities there is a net loss in taxes because of dem programs)
Also, a money-hungry capitalist is redundant, like a hungry communist.
Healthcare is fine, if you have insurance. Now it is super expensive, limited competition, and required or you pay fines. (this is the reform...)
Education is ****** because we are all "equal", meaning the person in the room that will barely be able to pump gas when they grow up is being taught at the same speed and level as the smart kids. They hold everyone to the same ****** standard. Also thats mostly black "schools" that are so bad. White schools are pretty good (they have good funding because the district generates tax revenue, but in black communities there is a net loss in taxes because of dem programs)
Also, a money-hungry capitalist is redundant, like a hungry communist.
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elsenortamatoe (08/27/2015) [-] Tell me, which socialist country is leading in GDP? Surely it isnt a capitalist one...
And they became socialist after they became rich.
And they became socialist after they became rich.
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elsenortamatoe (08/27/2015) [-] You had a monarchy which practiced mercantilism, which is a form of capitalism.
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elsenortamatoe (08/27/2015) [-] You changed to a system close to the UK's Parliament which enacted laws that are socialist, which were successful because of weath/population size.
Socialism works in smaller populations if you have the drive and money to do so. Plus you guys know how not to do it, you got Sweden right there.
Socialism works in smaller populations if you have the drive and money to do so. Plus you guys know how not to do it, you got Sweden right there.
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elsenortamatoe (08/27/2015) [-] explain. "Each man for himself" working hard to pull himself up by his bootstraps is the American Dream, and is the essence of capitalism. Great way to make the poor feel hope by offering an out to poverty.
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Kairyuka (08/27/2015) [-] In Denmark there is high taxation, due to the reasoning that if you're worth billions of dollars, you can also afford supporting the country more than someone who works at McDonald's. It's not the mentality where the rich should just aim to get richer, especially by ******* over the remaining 99%. It's not the system where politicians are legally bought to reinforce this iron grip over the remaining populus.
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elsenortamatoe (08/27/2015) [-] Yes, american tax laws are identical. And it isnt the rich getting richer, its people with capital making more capital (and thus more jobs for the poor). A billionaire can do more with his money than a billion people with 1 dollar. That being said, there is corruption (way more than i care to admit) that allow the rich to protect their money (Ie captial gains, offshore accounts, fake companies, lobbying etc). The problem is we have too much old money that uses that money to get more money at the expense of its people. We have bad people in positions of power (by money and to an extension in politics).
Don't even get me started on the 6 jews that run all media in this country...
Don't even get me started on the 6 jews that run all media in this country...
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elsenortamatoe (08/27/2015) [-] You don't know the half of it. We were created (america) for the sole purpose of avoiding this exact situation. We grew tired of the king doing whatever he wanted and demanding our undying support. Fear not, for the day of the rope approaches.
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elsenortamatoe (08/27/2015) [-] Like you said earlier, it has been too long since the last war. We had talks of another civil war after gay marriage was illegally passed (it has to be done on a state level, then federal. You can't do it retro-actively. our federal government is supposed to have little power, but WWII and the cold war changed that). And the outcome is either the problems are solved, or we will be all be speaking chinese and russian.
fun fact, if civil war were declared, 80% of the armed forces polled would not fire upon Americans. They are taught they are the defenders of Americans from threats domestic and foreign. 40% said they would actively defect to the rebels if they received an order to shoot Americans. The next civil war will be between police and its people. The outcome will be a police state full of corruption similar to the USSR
fun fact, if civil war were declared, 80% of the armed forces polled would not fire upon Americans. They are taught they are the defenders of Americans from threats domestic and foreign. 40% said they would actively defect to the rebels if they received an order to shoot Americans. The next civil war will be between police and its people. The outcome will be a police state full of corruption similar to the USSR
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Kairyuka (08/27/2015) [-] Yes the dangerous invaders like the ones taking PHDs, working volunteer work and paying taxes, the ones that add fully adult and qualified workers to our country without having to get them through 15 years of education first. Those terrible people how dare they become good citizens.
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elsenortamatoe (08/27/2015) [-] % of them that are like that?
Im claiming most are uneducated and leech off social programs. No one hates skilled labor, even if it comes from immigrants.
Im claiming most are uneducated and leech off social programs. No one hates skilled labor, even if it comes from immigrants.
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Kairyuka (08/27/2015) [-] That's a claim that lacks backing, but that mentality probably springs off the fact that many countries decide to put immigrants and refugees in camps for years, refusing to try and integrate them into society, leading them to lose their specializations and skills. Yes there are bad immigrants, just like there are bad Danes and bad Americans. We try to keep the worst out, but when people are fleeing from a war it's a radically different approach we need to have
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elsenortamatoe (08/27/2015) [-] Im talking more about the UK, France, Italy, Germany, and select Balkan states. And no, you hold no responsibility for the people of war. They are not your people, they fly a different flag.
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elsenortamatoe (08/27/2015) [-] But thats the thing. These people don't all believe that the people the west is fighting are the bad guys. They think the west is evil for being at war with them, so hate is born.
They come to the west with this hate, and it turns countries to hell, or to the far right (yay)
They come to the west with this hate, and it turns countries to hell, or to the far right (yay)
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elsenortamatoe (08/27/2015) [-] Gunna comment on this one for formatting sake
They riot in the camps for stupid reason, commit tons of crime, and leech social program money. Why wouldn't the masses get mad at masses acting like fools
(you got the refugee camps, we got the chimp outs. both are covered in similar fashions by our medias)
They riot in the camps for stupid reason, commit tons of crime, and leech social program money. Why wouldn't the masses get mad at masses acting like fools
(you got the refugee camps, we got the chimp outs. both are covered in similar fashions by our medias)
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elsenortamatoe (08/27/2015) [-] Let me ask you, would you? You left a hell hole, go a place which is objectively better (you have grass growing and snow, thats like a whole other planet to them), have all your basic needs given to you (food water shelter). Why work? Where is the incentive?
The crime is due to them committing crimes, dont rationalize criminals. Its a slippery slope. They aren't all good boys who dinnit do nuffin
The crime is due to them committing crimes, dont rationalize criminals. Its a slippery slope. They aren't all good boys who dinnit do nuffin
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Kairyuka (08/27/2015) [-] No they're not, but when you're stuck in a camp without anything to do and you're not even able to do your job or any of your hobbies, most people would be driven crazy.
Incidentally I love working to live, and this has actually been up in the Danish media lately, most studies have indicated that people WANT to work, even if it might not change their economical situation that much. It's been an issue since people were worried that citizens would choose to live off of welfare instead of work, since wellfare is pretty high here. Turns out the people who are like that are around 2/100, so very rare.
Incidentally I love working to live, and this has actually been up in the Danish media lately, most studies have indicated that people WANT to work, even if it might not change their economical situation that much. It's been an issue since people were worried that citizens would choose to live off of welfare instead of work, since wellfare is pretty high here. Turns out the people who are like that are around 2/100, so very rare.
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gigabowzer (08/27/2015) [-]
Europe is infected by the Islamic radical movement, so I don't know what you are talking about.
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elsenortamatoe (08/27/2015) [-] Pretend im replying to #86 the thread is at its limit.
Thats the problem with socialism. 2% of 60 million is 1,200,000. 1.2 million living solely off welfare. These people will teach their children that welfare living is a way of life and will do so as well. each of the 1.2 will produce .25 extra people per generation (2 people normally make 2.5 kids). This increases the percent of people on welfare per generation. This is fine only if the rest of the population increases in rate at the same speed, you dont increase the amount of money spent in the programs, or you don't need the money from them (ie a war). If you don't, you have a system where a large population of people are living off these programs. You can counter this by importing population (ie refugees) convenient there was all these wars that made them as Europeans birthrate is at all time lows .
This is why socialism works only on small scale. as the population grows, the people will get lazy. The less that is absolutely required from a person, the less they will do. This is a common problem in america, whole communities live off social programs (and to be so you have to be in poverty). You can live off these pretty easily (depending on where you live), but there are bonuses for children. Makes sense, you need extra money to raise kids. So the poor have a **** load of kids.
Generation 1 is lazy, they live off welfare
Generation 1 has a bunch of kids for the extra money
Generation 1 spends extra money on themselves
Generation 2 grows up poor, learns how mommy made ends meet
Generation 2 either is appalled and tries to change its ways, or accepts Generation 1s example
Generation 2 has to work really hard to become lower middle class
Generation 3 is lower middle class or on welfare
Generation 3 either stays on welfare, drops down to welfare, stays lower middle class, or becomes middle class
Generation 4 either stays on welfare, drops down to welfare, stays lower middle class, becomes middle class, or lives the good life
Etc
There is always a population on welfare, but the size grows based off generation in both numbers and % of the whole. The % that move up an economic class is small, most stay the same or drop down.
Thats the problem with socialism. 2% of 60 million is 1,200,000. 1.2 million living solely off welfare. These people will teach their children that welfare living is a way of life and will do so as well. each of the 1.2 will produce .25 extra people per generation (2 people normally make 2.5 kids). This increases the percent of people on welfare per generation. This is fine only if the rest of the population increases in rate at the same speed, you dont increase the amount of money spent in the programs, or you don't need the money from them (ie a war). If you don't, you have a system where a large population of people are living off these programs. You can counter this by importing population (ie refugees) convenient there was all these wars that made them as Europeans birthrate is at all time lows .
This is why socialism works only on small scale. as the population grows, the people will get lazy. The less that is absolutely required from a person, the less they will do. This is a common problem in america, whole communities live off social programs (and to be so you have to be in poverty). You can live off these pretty easily (depending on where you live), but there are bonuses for children. Makes sense, you need extra money to raise kids. So the poor have a **** load of kids.
Generation 1 is lazy, they live off welfare
Generation 1 has a bunch of kids for the extra money
Generation 1 spends extra money on themselves
Generation 2 grows up poor, learns how mommy made ends meet
Generation 2 either is appalled and tries to change its ways, or accepts Generation 1s example
Generation 2 has to work really hard to become lower middle class
Generation 3 is lower middle class or on welfare
Generation 3 either stays on welfare, drops down to welfare, stays lower middle class, or becomes middle class
Generation 4 either stays on welfare, drops down to welfare, stays lower middle class, becomes middle class, or lives the good life
Etc
There is always a population on welfare, but the size grows based off generation in both numbers and % of the whole. The % that move up an economic class is small, most stay the same or drop down.
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Kairyuka (08/27/2015) [-] "The less that is absolutely required from a person, the less they will do."
I don't think that's generally correct, but I'm sure it happens in some societies. The less that's expected from a person the more freedom they'll have to do whatever they want, and whatever they want is shaped from the society around them. In Denmark people like working and generally respect hard workers, be they university students or plumbers, everyone here can appreciate hard, honest work. It's a cultural thing.
I don't think that's generally correct, but I'm sure it happens in some societies. The less that's expected from a person the more freedom they'll have to do whatever they want, and whatever they want is shaped from the society around them. In Denmark people like working and generally respect hard workers, be they university students or plumbers, everyone here can appreciate hard, honest work. It's a cultural thing.
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elsenortamatoe (08/27/2015) [-] the less thats expected from a person the more freedom they have to do whatever they want
most of the time that isn't working a ****** job to support your families (it might even be to stay at home and raise your kid, you may be a single mother). If you get a job of any kind, you are no longer eligible for some welfare.
Americans always have and always will value hard work. Doesn't mean people like to do work. Trades and jobs that require collage educations pay well and are well respected, but require money to get into.
most of the time that isn't working a ****** job to support your families (it might even be to stay at home and raise your kid, you may be a single mother). If you get a job of any kind, you are no longer eligible for some welfare.
Americans always have and always will value hard work. Doesn't mean people like to do work. Trades and jobs that require collage educations pay well and are well respected, but require money to get into.
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elsenortamatoe (08/27/2015) [-] This is going to take a second to explain so stay with me: loans
who benefits from the loans? rich folk
Rich folk then lobby to set up situations that force people on welfare
More people need loans
Rich folk get richer
poor people are now in debt (they were just poor, now they owe money)
Poor people can't pay debt plus interest (their income was so small to begin with, hence why they got a loan to increase their income)
Rich people get paid for life because the debtors never pay off the debt, thanks to interest.
Kinda gives a pre WWII germany feel, doesn't it?
who benefits from the loans? rich folk
Rich folk then lobby to set up situations that force people on welfare
More people need loans
Rich folk get richer
poor people are now in debt (they were just poor, now they owe money)
Poor people can't pay debt plus interest (their income was so small to begin with, hence why they got a loan to increase their income)
Rich people get paid for life because the debtors never pay off the debt, thanks to interest.
Kinda gives a pre WWII germany feel, doesn't it?
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elsenortamatoe (08/27/2015) [-] Hence why the day of the rope is coming. The population on welfare increases per generation, so eventually, there will be a big enough mass, that it will be enough for an armed conflict.
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elsenortamatoe (08/27/2015) [-]
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elsenortamatoe (08/27/2015) [-] careful, when a hate group gets to large, bad things happen
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Kairyuka (08/27/2015) [-] Luckily we have lots of prominent muslim figures in Denmark that speak AGAINST all that **** , and those are the ones people generally listen to. If you let the actions of 20 extremists ruin your image of millions of people, you lose. Besides, what's with that sensationalist description? WHEN WILL EUROPE LEAAAAARN
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elsenortamatoe (08/27/2015) [-] they are called refugees and come in the millions, refuse to assimilate, and change local laws to the hell holes they come from. Demanding the locals change their culture by means of force is kinda invasion-y...
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Kairyuka (08/27/2015) [-] Oh you mean the people fleeing from the war we started? Yea we should provide temporary shelter for them and help rebuild the countries we've torn apart with war. That's another part of waging war in a foreign country, you can't just march in guns blazing and leave with the smoke, you gotta actually rebuild again.
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gigabowzer (08/27/2015) [-]
I can't tell if you are baiting me or not.
Do you know how bad the laws in Britain have gotten in regards to the "hate-speech" laws that they have now? The fact that you can get arrested in Germany for having an opinion that is unpopular? Do you know how bad it has gotten in the last few years?
Do you know how bad the laws in Britain have gotten in regards to the "hate-speech" laws that they have now? The fact that you can get arrested in Germany for having an opinion that is unpopular? Do you know how bad it has gotten in the last few years?
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elsenortamatoe (08/27/2015) [-] Let me get this, the west started the wars, and they want to go to the west?
Are you sure the politicians aren't importing voters, giving them social programs to keep them voting for them and thus keeping them in power?
(been going on for years in the southwest USA)
Are you sure the politicians aren't importing voters, giving them social programs to keep them voting for them and thus keeping them in power?
(been going on for years in the southwest USA)
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elsenortamatoe (08/27/2015) [-] By going into a white country and trying to change it into the place they left?
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elsenortamatoe (08/27/2015) [-] Not my politicians. Mine is trying to build a wall to keep them out.
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elsenortamatoe (08/27/2015) [-] I'm not gunna build it, the people we are keeping out are (at least paying for it). There won't be a single STUMP to stop us.
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gigabowzer (08/27/2015) [-]
"And that's surely the fault of muslims fleeing from countries in a war and not the result of blatantly retarded politicians."
Your claim is muslims were fleeing from countries in a war, which is a very general statement. Which war are you talking about?
Also, you failed to mention anything in retort to the "hate-speech" laws.
Your claim is muslims were fleeing from countries in a war, which is a very general statement. Which war are you talking about?
Also, you failed to mention anything in retort to the "hate-speech" laws.
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Kairyuka (08/27/2015) [-] You mean the laws instated by your politicians and not by muslim immigrants? You gotta read what I write man, otherwise I don't really wanna bother.
The fact that there's so much immigration from middle-eastern countries is mainly due to the amount of war going on, and even though most of the refugees are handled in the surrounding countries, some of them has to be sent further away as to avoid the entire region crashing under the massive flight of people. Thus the burden is shared with the strongest countries in the world who are whining without having any idea what the **** is going on where people are fleeing from. It's been too long since we've had a war in europe and America, nobody can relate to what it is like anymore, and thus it's extremely easy to complain about the responsibility you took on yourself.
The fact that there's so much immigration from middle-eastern countries is mainly due to the amount of war going on, and even though most of the refugees are handled in the surrounding countries, some of them has to be sent further away as to avoid the entire region crashing under the massive flight of people. Thus the burden is shared with the strongest countries in the world who are whining without having any idea what the **** is going on where people are fleeing from. It's been too long since we've had a war in europe and America, nobody can relate to what it is like anymore, and thus it's extremely easy to complain about the responsibility you took on yourself.
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elsenortamatoe (08/27/2015) [-] True, it has been a while since we have had war, and when you have peace for too long, generations become weak.
Good times bring weak people
Bad times bring strong people
Wait 5-10 years, you will get your war you want in the west. The Caliphate is reforming...
Good times bring weak people
Bad times bring strong people
Wait 5-10 years, you will get your war you want in the west. The Caliphate is reforming...
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elsenortamatoe (08/27/2015) [-] We aren't Europe. Declaring war on us would be so incredibly stupid, it would require a huge international alliance to take us down. Russia wouldn't butt heads with us again, we both are M.A.D.
China is the only foreign threat, most of ours are domestic.
China is the only foreign threat, most of ours are domestic.
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elsenortamatoe (08/27/2015) [-] The point of our military is to make weaker countries (that are slightly stronger then their neighbors) not invade its neighbors because they dont want to go to war with us.
And your analogue would be better if it was NATO, and the USA was the jock hanging around the nerds. We have such a big military because someone has to
And your analogue would be better if it was NATO, and the USA was the jock hanging around the nerds. We have such a big military because someone has to
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urmomsagrot (08/27/2015) [-] Problem is, especially with our current candidates, there is no middle ground. Its either massive dick sucking like we are doing now (and look how our foreign relations are now) or we are gonna calls em like we sees em. I know its bad to put it this way, but for the damage thats been done the past 2 terms, we really need the other end of the spectrum for a bit. Even if its only one terms worth, it needs to be done. This "my feelings!" **** has to stop.
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anon (08/27/2015) [-]
What he's really trying to say is that we should vote for Monica Lewinsky.
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WwIiSsPp (08/27/2015) [-] He obviously isn't the best choice for this country, but I'd pick trump 11/10 times before I'd vote for hilary.
He's a good businessman, (I.E., networth of 4 billion ******* dollars), he says it how it is and he isn't afraid to get a little dirty. if there really were anything he didn't think he could handle at the white house, there are hundreds upon hundreds of employees and staff there to help him.
honestly, **** it. trump 2015. he's actually made politics fun for once
He's a good businessman, (I.E., networth of 4 billion ******* dollars), he says it how it is and he isn't afraid to get a little dirty. if there really were anything he didn't think he could handle at the white house, there are hundreds upon hundreds of employees and staff there to help him.
honestly, **** it. trump 2015. he's actually made politics fun for once
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gigabowzer (08/27/2015) [-] **gigabowzer used "*roll picture*"**
**gigabowzer rolled image** I don't get why this guy is getting so much hate.
In regards to a Presidential election, you have to choose the best choice for a leader. Hillary is clearly the worst choice. The other choices for candidacy are very unlikely because of how unpopular they are. You have to think in terms of who is best and who is most likely going to win the election. We can't always have our first choices.
**gigabowzer rolled image** I don't get why this guy is getting so much hate.
In regards to a Presidential election, you have to choose the best choice for a leader. Hillary is clearly the worst choice. The other choices for candidacy are very unlikely because of how unpopular they are. You have to think in terms of who is best and who is most likely going to win the election. We can't always have our first choices.
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fuccthedevil (08/27/2015) [-] Donald Trump isn't even my second choice over a pile of jizz covered diarrhea.
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fuccthedevil (08/27/2015) [-] If you think CEOs aren't just as, if not more so corrupt than politicians... I got some bad news for ya bud.
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blukachu (08/27/2015) [-] I've been worrying about the fact that trump is going to win, i really don't keep up with news or politics but from what i hear it sounds like i might end up in Mexico despite the fact that im a U.S citizen and the last time i went to Mexico i almost got deported to Texas
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gigabowzer (08/27/2015) [-]
The only reason why you would be deported is if your citizenship was considering invalid due to being born here, but having illegal parents.
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emptysuperman (08/27/2015) [-] Say whatever you want, Trump. You have zero chance of ever becoming president.
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lumpymandude (08/27/2015) [-] Everyone in the comments is so stupid. you guys don't understand what Trump is going to bring to the table. He is not gonna stand for any more of this political ******** that has been running rampant in washington for years. he will cut through it and start running this country like a well oiled machine. and to those ppl who keep saying "America isn't a business" well its pretty close to that ,and having a lot experience in business and, yes, working with real people, something people seem to think Trump has never done, will make him a great candidate. people keep getting caught up in stupid details that don't matter.
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lumpymandude (08/27/2015) [-] lol, bud if you are so worried about one thumb down, you need to chill
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Greevon (08/27/2015) [-] I'm chill, it's not the thumb I care about, it's the argument. I just want to know what you think about it. Clearly you disagree with me, but I do want to know what your argument on the issue is. I think your points matter little in the scope of being the president and I have a pretty big distaste for business CEO's as they are always after a bottom line and looking out for their own interests. I think that makes him a bad candidate, especially coupled with his lack of integrity showcased by the fact that he claims he wants to get more jobs for the American people, yet his own corporation employs mostly overseas labor and he has been suspected of using illegals several times.
Are these issues you just don't care about, or do you have justification? I can understand one way or the other, but in my opinion these are important issues. He looks like he'd be another Ronald Reagan, and that's not something this country can last through too many times. Reagan nearly killed the middle class, I'm afraid of Trump helping to finish the job.
Are these issues you just don't care about, or do you have justification? I can understand one way or the other, but in my opinion these are important issues. He looks like he'd be another Ronald Reagan, and that's not something this country can last through too many times. Reagan nearly killed the middle class, I'm afraid of Trump helping to finish the job.
