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A friend sent me this on facebook. Does this mean Jet fuel can melt steal beams? If thats so then maybe 9/11 wasn't and inside job! MAYBE THERE WAS ONLY ONE SHOOT DURING THE JFK ASSASINATION! MAYBE JEWS ARENT ALL THAT BAD OF PEOPLE! WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON SOMEONE HELP ME IM FREAKING OUT HERE MAN!

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#3 - solomonkane (12/16/2015) [+] (10 replies)
stickied by turtlewithjetpacks
He went through the trouble to tell us something we already know..
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#19 - angelious (12/16/2015) [-]
>jet fuel cant melt steel beams
>blacksmith can melt steel beams
>blacksmith organized 9/11
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User avatar #101 to #96 - crotchmonkey (12/17/2015) [-]
Did you just link him to his own comment and accuse him of stealing?
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#111 to #101 - anon (12/17/2015) [-]
What if this is his second account and he accused himself of stealing his own comment so that he could link back to his other comment and get more thumbs?

>Conclusion, Funnyjunk organized 9/11
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User avatar #136 to #101 - angelious (12/17/2015) [-]
to be fair i reposted my own comment...
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#98 to #19 - anon (12/17/2015) [-]
African American smiths you racist ******** .
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User avatar #63 to #19 - fluttergrey (12/17/2015) [-]
That's racist
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User avatar #43 to #19 - iexs (12/17/2015) [-]
Holy **** The X-Files Theme
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#14 - andywazowski (12/16/2015) [-]
"Your argument is invalid, find a job"
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User avatar #13 - noblexfenrir (12/16/2015) [-]
Ha this man is a joke if he actually thinks he's made a point that can't be refuted.

A half inch bar of A36 steel is about 9kg, the World trade center had roughly 2,000,000kg of steel in it's construction.

So if we know 1 anvil can destroy 1 9kg bar of steel. It would take 22,222,222 anvils to take down the world trade center.

The maximum takeoff weight of the plane that hit the wtc is 395,000 lbs. The weight of your average forging anvil is anywhere between 75-500 pounds, for a job like this we'll assume the maximum weight, meaning the plane needed to carry 11,111,111,000 lbs or 28,129 times it's takeoff capacity to destroy the trade center.

What are you trying to hide from us?
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#86 to #13 - bronywiseman ONLINE (12/17/2015) [-]
If the World Trade Center has 2,000,000kg of steel in it's construction, and he melted that 1.9 kg bar at 1800 degrees, then the fire would have to burn at 3600,000,000 degrees.
Open your eyes, people.
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#77 to #13 - bouncingbananas (12/17/2015) [-]
1 anvil and 1 pinkie***
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User avatar #108 to #77 - centaurstesticle ONLINE (12/17/2015) [-]
underated comment
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#40 to #13 - garryn (12/17/2015) [-]
sooooo.......all that extra weight on top of the point of impact magically doesn't contribute? or did i take the bait?
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#56 to #13 - IamPinhead (12/17/2015) [-]
Engineer here
Your extrapolation is bad and you should feel bad.
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#41 to #13 - anon (12/17/2015) [-]
The difference in strength of A36 steel at 1500 vs 1800 degrees F is minimal. The real drop in strength occurs at around 1100 degrees F.

At 1500 degrees (jetfuel burning temp) the structural steel is 10% as strong as it is at room temp.

When the steel at the crash site heated to 1500 degrees it became very weak and the massive weight of the 100+ feet of building above the crash site caused the beams to basically all buckle at the same time which is why you got the nice controlled downward demolition.

And once the heated beams buckled the kinetic energy of the top of the building was directed straight down and caused each successive floor of beams to buckle until the whole building was crushed.
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User avatar #52 to #41 - mattdoggy (12/17/2015) [-]
This anon actually used a graph in his internet argument
I just wanted to point out how deep into this discussion we got
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User avatar #50 to #41 - Zaxplab (12/17/2015) [-]
BUT WHAT ABOUT BUILDING SEVEN?? ?
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#59 to #50 - anon (12/17/2015) [-]
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2056088/Footage-kills-conspiracy-theories-Rare-footage-shows-WTC-7-consumed-fire.html

Building 7 was on fire for 9 hours. The above link was the 3rd hit when you google world trade center building 7. Watch the live leak video at the bottom of the page and you will see building 7 blazing shortly before collapse.
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User avatar #97 to #59 - rudeobuteo (12/17/2015) [-]
This fire in Brazil was several times worse than anything that happened to building 7, and there was never the slightest chance of it collapsing.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fp0mspv9iXU
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#100 to #97 - anon (12/17/2015) [-]
"The Joelma Building is a reinforced fire-resistant concrete hull construction. So, the structure itself did not suffer enough damage from the fire to cause a collapse. However, the interior was furnished with flammable items. Partitions, desks and chairs were made of wood. The ceilings were cellulose fiber tiles set in wood strappings. The curtains and carpets were also flammable."

Straight from wikipedia. The towers and building 7 were A36 structural steel framed and the steel weakens with higher temps. The building in Brazil was built with concrete and concrete does not drastically weaken at 1500 degrees F like steel does.
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User avatar #104 to #100 - rudeobuteo (12/17/2015) [-]
Interesting, did not know that. Here are some other buildings that experienced severe fires and never collpased, anonymous cretin. www.serendipity.li/wot/other_fires/other_fires.htm
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#109 to #104 - anon (12/17/2015) [-]
Took a look at the backstory on a couple of these buildings mentioned. (no time to go through them all). But the reason they didn't collapse is due to the fireproofing material that is applied to structural support beams. This fireproofing shields the steel and prevents it from getting too hot so that it doesn't weaken and collapse.

Now the twin towers and building 7 also had this fireproofing. But on the towers a lot of the foam like material was knocked off the beams by the massive jet crashing into them at 300+ MPH. As for building 7, when the 110 story towers collapsed bits and parts smashed into building 7 thus also damaging the fireproofing on one entire side of the building.
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#110 to #109 - rudeobuteo (12/17/2015) [-]
GIF
yeah I'm sure bits and pieces of falling debris then an unremarkable fire caused this. hahaha, right.
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#113 to #110 - anon (12/17/2015) [-]
By "bits and pieces" I meant more like several ton blocks of giant building...Also if you watch the GIF you posted closely you can see the corner of the building nearest the towers is the first part to fail and begin collapsing. The entire roof leans towards that corner and then the rest of the building quickly follows suit.
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#119 to #113 - rudeobuteo (12/17/2015) [-]
That is delusional, the entire lattice is steel. If one side buckled, then the other side should fold over toward the side that is weakened. Of course we have nothing to gauge this on because literally no other steel structures have ever collapsed in history. Here is an entire website showing you how you're wrong. www.wtc7.net/b7fires.html

by the way, the fires in building 7 were SMALL
I'm sure this UNCOMPLETED building had all the fire-proofing in place, and if a small amount had been removed it would have collapsed. right. You will have to peddle your tripe with someone more gullible.
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#128 to #119 - anon (12/17/2015) [-]
You also have to look at different construction methods used in various buildings. Building 7 didn't have a standard lattice design like a lot of other steel skyscrapers that have caught on fire. You can look it up if you are interested, but essentially the outer wall of the building was a very large part of the support force. Once this was damaged by the massive junks of Tower 2, the building didn't just lose a little bit of its lattice, it lost half of its supporting structure.
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#126 to #119 - anon (12/17/2015) [-]
Also the Mandarin Oriental Hotel was slated to open in May 2009 and caught fire in February 2009. The steel beams were coated in fire retardant and the building was really really close to being completed.
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#125 to #119 - anon (12/17/2015) [-]
No other building in history has had this much stuff dropped on it first either. The towers didn't go down nice and perfectly, a lot of chunks dozens of feet wide went crashing down everywhere. The chunks caused a lot of structural damage and the fire just helped finish it off.
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#127 to #125 - rudeobuteo (12/17/2015) [-]
I couldn't find any good pictures of the damaged the side of the building (facing the twin towers) here is literally the best one. We can all see how many broken windows there are, which are essential in protecting steel infrastructure from fire, and we can also see the raging inferno occurring inside.

Also, would like to riddle me why BBC reported that building 7 collapsed before it actually happened...twice? www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mxFRigYD3s
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#130 to #127 - anon (12/17/2015) [-]
There aren't any pics of the southside because there was too much fire, smoke, and debris, hence that is where all the damage and fire were and where the collapse initiated.

Because that poor BBC reporter was brand new and had no idea what the names of the various buildings were. She was looking at the building saying it had collapsed...come on. Every time something interesting happens every news source wants to be the first to report so they just started saying anything they hear.

Look at the San Bernardino shooting that happened a couple weeks ago. For several hours all of the news reports where saying "3 white males in body armor" then by the end of the day we find out it is actually 1 man and 1 woman who are also not white. If you dropped me in NYC that day and I heard someone saying such and such building just collapsed and all I see is mass amounts of smoke I would be like "oh yeah they must be right" cause I have no freeking clue what used to be there.
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User avatar #134 to #130 - rudeobuteo (12/17/2015) [-]
I'm sorry, there is absolutely no justification for the news reporting something that didn't happen, but would happen. WHO THE **** IS PAYING YOU????
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#124 to #119 - anon (12/17/2015) [-]
The building you posted a picture of didn't buckle. That is the architectural design of the structure...The is just a picture taken at a terrible angle. Google the Manarin Oriental Hotel and look at pictures of it.
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User avatar #129 to #124 - rudeobuteo (12/17/2015) [-]
yeah, I know it didn't collapse, that's why I posted it. Because it had huge fires that did NOT collapse it. Is there anything more frustrating in the world that arguing with someone who is too stupid to know they're wrong?
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#133 to #129 - anon (12/17/2015) [-]
But I am done arguing because I have an structural engineering final exam in the morning to worry about because, oh yeah, I am working on my masters in engineering.
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User avatar #135 to #133 - rudeobuteo (12/17/2015) [-]
you have a final exam in the morning and you were arguing on the internet for an hour?

And the subject you were arguing about just so happens to be your area of expertise?

Fat chance, faggot.
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#131 to #129 - anon (12/17/2015) [-]
It didn't collapse because it had the fire proofing on all of its steel beams because the building was just 2 months away from opening. There is a reason the fire proofing is there....it is super effective.
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#139 to #41 - anon (12/18/2015) [-]
The thing is jetfuel burns at like 700°C in open conditions and hihher temperature are only achieved under artificial condition with a compresseds oygen.
Now the thing is that the smoke coming from the WTC indicates that this **** was a smoldering fire, in other words the fire did not even get enough oxygen to burn down under normal conditions.
If the fire was as hot as some claim it was, especially the so called blacksmith that made that video (who somehow does not even comprehend that his furnace has absolutely different conditions) would grasp that the important crystal structure of the metal would be highly altereated.
Sure from the outside it might look the same, but if the crystal structure changes the abilities of the material are highly alterated.
The question is, if this was the case, why could it still be sold like this was not the case despite the apparrently highly alterating temperatures.

Even if all that was the case the estimated fall down time of the building would have been closer 90s instead of the roughly 10s it took.
As even if they had collapsed and each one faster one after another the floors that still were ankered would have slowed down the fall.

Just as a comparission point, in Germany large buidlings like bridges and skyscrappers or other big buildings need to have a security rating of >=10.
This means that if a bridge is labled for 8t vehicles it would actually be able to handle at least 80t.
This is done for security reasons and longlivety.
To compare the different parts of planes usualy only have ratings of 1.25 to 2.50 as they need to be light weight.

So if the WTC was even build have way decently it should have lasted much longer.

Everyone denying that planes crashed into the WTC and that it suffered damage and that people died are idiots, aswell as those that deny the taliban did it.
But so are those that deny the government and other parties did not know before hand that it would happen.

There are tons of reason for the government at the time to let it happen and tons of reasons or rather billions for the owner to let it happen and maybe even help in the fast fall of it.

We know from Shrekli that corporate guys give a **** about human life.
Hell it was a US study that found out that the big manager and CEO guys see les value in a human live than convicted psychopaths and mass murderers.
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User avatar #123 to #41 - dammriver (12/17/2015) [-]
The cool thing about this chart (that people don't realize) is that an ordinary building fire can get hot enough to render steel completely useless.
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User avatar #15 to #13 - anonymousmkiii (12/16/2015) [-]
i mean, the dude's strong, but i don't think he was moving that hot metal bar with 250lb force with just his pinky...
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User avatar #16 to #15 - noblexfenrir (12/16/2015) [-]
It was a joke. I was replacing jet fuel with anvils.
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User avatar #29 to #16 - theshadowed ONLINE (12/16/2015) [-]
>joke
sure
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#57 to #16 - anon (12/17/2015) [-]
If it was a joke, it fell flat on me.
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#60 to #13 - nebuelaeus (12/17/2015) [-]
Jesus christ, the number of people that think this comment is serious really scares me
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User avatar #6 - elvoz ONLINE (12/16/2015) [-]
We still have to prove whether or not jet fuel can melt steel memes.
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#49 - themanwithavoice (12/17/2015) [-]
Of course 9/11 wasnt an inside job! The planes came from the outside!
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#11 - DivineInfinity (12/16/2015) [-]
This video is a conspiracy! Didn't you see the detonations when he bent it? WAKE UP SHEEPLE
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User avatar #65 to #11 - scorcho (12/17/2015) [-]
i think i saw a cruise missile when he walked over to the furnance
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#12 - ainise (12/16/2015) [-]
THIS IS 1800 DEGREES
LET ME THROW IT ON THE ******* GROUND

Jeesus that scared the **** out of me, I had to make sure this wasn't a live leaks.
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User avatar #32 to #12 - muffincannibal (12/16/2015) [-]
Over reaction.
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#17 to #12 - insanefreak (12/16/2015) [-]
You'd be surprised at what people who are very familiar with a job that involves dangerous materials do.

We toss bricks around that can kill people if it hits them on the head with ease, and we're generally WAY up on a scaffolding with others underneath. Working with stone cutters, steel saws (don't know the proper English terms for these power tools) and the like in the most ridiculous, unsafe and retarded fashion. Because we know how they work, and are comfortable with them.

Of course, from time to time you have an unforeseen factor interfering (wind, something moving that you couldn't predict, carelessness). But most accidents stem from the small group that grows overconfident and forgets some very basic safety things.

For example, from a power tool that has an interchangable circular blade that can cut through steel, concrete, stones, anything really solid, you do NOT change the blade while it's in the plug. Working conditions mean that the thing is covered in dust, sometimes rain, and it can start because you twisting off the cap made it move, and the handle hit an object. And the safety button can get damaged to the point of not working over the years.

Sounds like a lot of coincidences, but all it takes is seeing it once and having your colleague run off, screaming while blood runs down his hands after he lost four fingers on the thing.

Also, reattach the cap properly. Nothing as scary as seeing that thing suddenly snap (guard will keep it away from you) off, see it fly off and land into the isolation a few feet of your coworker who knows he just escaped death.
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#22 to #17 - iscrewbabies ONLINE (12/16/2015) [-]
It was this thing, only it was old as **** and it took 3 minutes to get on the damn roof with it.
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#23 to #22 - insanefreak (12/16/2015) [-]
Aaaaaah, that reminds me. We once had people working with them. Not our team, different company but at the same construction site. New guy had the ingenious idea to drive this thing around while extended.
Now, moron who can barely drive and is a good seven meters up in the air, combined with moving cranes (both tower cranes of different sizes, and a few digging cranes that have their paths regulated to that they can work fast and we don't get run over).
Guy runs into the path of a crane, hitting a wrong control, gets smashed over, falls in loose earth (which prevents him from dying), and then gets run over by a crane, leg under the caterpillar. The crunch was supposedly sickening (I was too far away when it happened), but god damn that scream still haunts my dreams.

****** deserved it though. Basic training, you do not drive that thing while they're up. Nowadays most have security installed that prevents that, but there's enough of the old models around still.
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#24 to #23 - iscrewbabies ONLINE (12/16/2015) [-]
Jesus **** , dude. That's messed up. I didn't get any training whatsoever either, but I wasn't a complete moron. To stay safe with that thing you basically just need common sense. I'm not going to do **** I'm not supposed to, and I had no accidents happen to me. Okay I bent my middle finger on the right hand backwards a bit twice when catching bricks, but that's completely different. For us the worst thing that happened was that two guys damn near fell off the roof. Both caught a wooden plank on the roof at the last moment. The roof was covered in thin ice, and it was a sheet metal roof.
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#25 to #24 - insanefreak (12/16/2015) [-]
I've seen people fall off the roof before.

The thing is, we get people who are arrogant, and see people with work experience who move around and do dangerous things effortlessly, and they try to mimick it. Also, a lot of people drink. Now some people can hold their drink well, and others just don't, if all you see is a few empty bottles you don't know who drinks and who doesn't, so they assume we all do, and they do the same.

The amount of retardedness I've witnessed is beyond believe. I'm getting tempted to start a comp of short stories on them, as they are both amusing at times, a bit morbid, and definitely a proper warning to not **** around with power tools and construction in general.
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User avatar #132 to #25 - iqequalzero (12/17/2015) [-]
"Also, a lot of people drink"

And just like that you became russian/slav in my mind, lol.
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#28 to #25 - iscrewbabies ONLINE (12/16/2015) [-]
I treat power tools with respect, because I know damn well that those things could **** my day up real quick. I'm pretty new to jobs like this, most I've done is construction on the house my family just bought, so I'm still prone to make mistakes though. However when I saw my more experienced coworkers do some crazy dangerous **** , all I could think was "aaaaaaight whatever I do, I should NOT do that because either I die or I kill someone. ".
Also, you should write stories about that. Construction stories can be pretty amazing, so I'd subscribe and read 'em. Seeing has how starting next year I'm going to be doing this kind of work a lot more, I could probably learn from the mistakes of others also when reading those stories.
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#21 to #17 - iscrewbabies ONLINE (12/16/2015) [-]
Was working with some dudes building chimneys. Had to build 8 of 'em in 2 days. In 2 days I had around 1200 or so bricks thrown at my face. Easier for one to throw 'em, and the other to catch 'em and put them in a pile on the thing that lifts you up to the roof ( **** if I know what it's called in English ). Not as dangerous as the stuff you wrote here, but still pretty ******* bad. Also we were working sort of high up, on top of a 3 story building, and the lift was swaying left and right like crazy and instead of climbing on top of it from the roof, everyone was just jumping on it like they didn't give any ***** . Was my first day on a job like that, and jesus **** that swaying scared the **** out of me at first.
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#38 - sakagamitomoyo (12/17/2015) [-]
As a hobby blacksmith all that saw dust worries me
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#31 - theruse (12/16/2015) [-]
>Taking memes seriously.....
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User avatar #76 to #31 - defski (12/17/2015) [-]
Ok, but it began as a real argument used by people.
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User avatar #45 to #31 - iexs (12/17/2015) [-]
ive met several people who use that as an actual argument
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User avatar #46 to #45 - Nahyon (12/17/2015) [-]
>2015
>literally being around people talking about meme eleven
I'm sorry
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User avatar #47 to #46 - iexs (12/17/2015) [-]
Ugh, I know this really weird family who are all conspiracy theorists, they're homeless (they stay at a very nice friends house), and have 4 children. Every single one of those little bastards has had the idea implanted in their brains that the government cooked up 9/11 as an excuse to invade the Middle East, every ******* chance they get they'll start an argument about it.
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#36 - anon (12/17/2015) [-]
Yea, its completely impossible for steal beams to be melted due to fire. And any evidence proving otherwise must be completely false.

The collapse of the bridge in the photo was clearly an inside job.
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User avatar #58 to #53 - ridivey (12/17/2015) [-]
this is a good post
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#18 - installation (12/16/2015) [-]
>Furnace is hotter than jet fuel though. It's 300 degrees hotter. Sorry, but a component of the argument is that jet fuel can't melt steel beams, not "a furnace that is 300 degrees hotter than jet fuel can melt steel beams."

Illuminati did 7/11.
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User avatar #30 to #18 - Ninernsu (12/16/2015) [-]
His point was the beams didn't melt they bent under the heat and pressure of what was above them...
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#33 to #30 - anon (12/16/2015) [-]
But he failed to prove even that.
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#27 - cryojoker (12/16/2015) [-]
You guys know a plane crashed into the building, right?
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#87 to #27 - lulzdealer (12/17/2015) [-]
Or did they?
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#122 - anon (12/17/2015) [-]
But blacksmiths melt dank memes Lol!
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User avatar #107 - schneidend (12/17/2015) [-]
So the great battle of our time has ended...science has defeated memes.

yourmemesendhere.webm
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#79 - therealrainbowdash (12/17/2015) [-]
He seems pretty upset about this
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User avatar #48 - yiffcario (12/17/2015) [-]
Illuminati conspiracies REVEALED
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User avatar #8 - topperharly ONLINE (12/16/2015) [-]
but can jet fuel melt steel beans
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User avatar #10 to #8 - babaskeep ONLINE (12/16/2015) [-]
Yes
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User avatar #66 to #8 - scorcho (12/17/2015) [-]
no, but it can weaken them to the point where they become structurally useless.
the WTC didn't melt, it collapsed.
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#1 - evilkingganon (12/16/2015) [-]
GIF
**evilkingganon used "*roll picture*"**
**evilkingganon rolled image** thats a nice anvil
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#2 to #1 - turtlewithjetpacks [OP](12/16/2015) [-]
**turtlewithjetpacks used "*roll picture*"**
**turtlewithjetpacks rolled image**it is isn't it.
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