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#15 - apexhawk ONLINE (03/05/2014) [-]
Okay, I saw finland quoted on the post, and as a finn, I want to point out a couple of things about our gun laws:

- The Firearms in Finland are all carefully regulated and registered. Most of them are hunting rifles, since hunting is a fairly popular hobby.
- Handguns have been carefully regulated, and regulations were tightened further a few years ago bacause of multiple cases of school shootings in Kauhajoki and Jokela.
- The sale of assault weapons is banned.
- Most importantly: Finland still uses conscription. This means that a large presentage of the male (and female) population is professionally trained to use, maintain and respect the weapon. this is not the case in, say, the united states.

The infographic also neglects the fact that the standard of living influences the country's homicide rate much more than gun ownership does. it also ignores positive examples of gun regulation like Australia.
User avatar #97 to #15 - martialacademic (03/06/2014) [-]
That is pretty much what happens in America as well. Or at least, that is the case in my state, California. We have a pretty damn bad crime rate though, compared to many other places. That's admittedly why I have a dim outlook on gun laws: I look at them and wonder how these are going to be different and stop crimes from happening when a hundred other laws don't look to be doing a thing.

I believe, though I could be quite wrong, that the laws say that you need a license to carry a gun now, and it can't have more than a 10 round capacity. You used to be able to openly carry an unloaded firearm, but they got rid of that. Honestly I haven't kept up on the gun laws here for a while, since it's hard to get a license in the first place and expensive to stay proficient with firearms. Bullet costs add up very quickly. But are Finland's laws very different compared to something like that? Minus the conscription thing of course, as we don't currently do that in the USA.

I was not aware of Australia being a good example of crime stats for gun bans, as a lot of the people I have talked to have used it in arguments against gun bans. Could you please give me more information about that? I don't mean "Gun crime" stats, just overall crime stats. Especially violent crime stats and crimes prevented by firearms if you have information about it, since that seems to be what most people talk about.
User avatar #51 to #15 - lean (03/05/2014) [-]
The only unregulated sale of firearms in this country (USA) is secondhand sales. IE: your friend bought a gun and you bought it from him when he wanted some cash. To prohibit this kind of sale, gov't would have to be able to force people to keep their guns once they have bought them. You can't buy guns over the 'net without having a valid dealer's license. Virtually every retailer in this country does a background check before selling a gun as well. Many states do not even allow you to purchase a gun if you are not a citizen of that state.
The problem with gun crime is that these are not legally purchased guns, or the person using the gun is not the person who legally purchased the gun. Now, show me a law that will prevent that from happening.
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