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#96 - lolelephant (03/06/2014) [-]
Britfag here and I would rather be shot then stabbed, beaten with a improvised weapon or beaten to death by some one unarmed. Just my preference :/
#100 to #96 - comradewinter (03/06/2014) [-]
You'd rather be shot then stabbed? Pretty sure that would hurt.
#105 to #100 - lolelephant (03/06/2014) [-]
Lol. Very witty. But there's a good chance I would die from the bullet anyway.
#108 to #105 - comradewinter (03/06/2014) [-]
Yeah, but getting stabbed isn't as lethal as being shot. Think I'd rather take the blade. It's also easier to counter, if you have combat experience.
#128 to #108 - tealcanaan ONLINE (03/06/2014) [-]
>easier to counter   
   
It really isn't that easy to stop someone with a knife. Also that jacket thing doesn't work.
>easier to counter

It really isn't that easy to stop someone with a knife. Also that jacket thing doesn't work.
#130 to #128 - comradewinter (03/06/2014) [-]
It's easier to dodge a knife than a bullet. Not saying it's easy, but there are self-defense courses for that. And while talking about jackets, clothing can actually protect against a knife, whereas a bullet won't be slowed unless you wear specific protective equipment.
User avatar #131 to #130 - tealcanaan ONLINE (03/06/2014) [-]
I couldn't find it, but there was a gif that showed a guy in a self defense class demonstrating how to do that "catch the knife with your jacket " thing. The guy just ran up to him and kept jabbing at him until he was on the ground. If someone has a knife and you are unarmed, give him what he wants or run if your fast, getting stabbed is a bitch.
#132 to #131 - comradewinter (03/06/2014) [-]
I wouldn't take the risk either. At least you can run, though. Having someone at gunpoint usually warrants they won't try anything, but running away from a knife wielding thug while screaming like a retard usually discourages them. Same thing with rape victims fighting back. You don't necessarily have to win, but making it a hassle ruins the experience for the offender.
User avatar #134 to #132 - tealcanaan ONLINE (03/06/2014) [-]
I have been mugged before (I CC now), he had a knife, I was scared ******** and just stared at him, he was some cracked up homeless dude, but seeing the knife and the look in his eye made me seize up. Granted I was 14 at the time, if you aren't trained, you ain't gonna do **** .
#136 to #134 - comradewinter (03/06/2014) [-]
Some guy tried to mug me with a knife once. Would probably work too, if he hadn't been 5 foot tall, skinny, and carrying a 2 inch blade. Not to mention that there were 5 of us. We just sorta gave him a weird look and walked away. Still, made my heart beat pretty fast, so pretty sure I'd do the same if an actual thug with a blade that could get through my skin appeared.
User avatar #138 to #136 - tealcanaan ONLINE (03/06/2014) [-]
It was terrifying, I felt defenseless and weak (And I was a 160 pound wrestler)> Another thing I think people have trouble understanding is the emotional implications of defending yourself with a baseball bat vs. a gun. With a gun you can distance yourself from the gore and the noises, with a baseball bat your right there and hear the crunch and feel the splatter if your unfortunate enough to accidentally compact a skull or cave in your attacker chest.
#140 to #138 - comradewinter (03/06/2014) [-]
That's the essence of anti-gun laws. Of course, if you are focused on killing a person you could always do that, gun or not. You can even kill with your bare hands. However, it's far more emotional going berserk on someone with a bat than just pulling a trigger and leave.
User avatar #142 to #140 - tealcanaan ONLINE (03/06/2014) [-]
If I were to defend myself I'd rather not leave emotionally scared and accountable for accidentally going to for in the heat of the moment. With a gun it is clear cut. Also what if I were a woman?
#145 to #142 - comradewinter (03/06/2014) [-]
It's also a clear cut for anyone who wants to murder. Someone killing, regardless of action, will live with the emotion of having murdered someone. Maybe those defending themselves will feel the same way, but at the same time they can remember it was to save their own hide. It gives a reason to it.
User avatar #147 to #145 - tealcanaan ONLINE (03/06/2014) [-]
I know, but it's easier to defend one's self with a gun, and restricting the populations access to them wont help anyone, most murders by far are done with illegal weapons where it is illegal for a citizen to CC. The problem doesn't lye with the law abiding citizen, it lye's with the criminal, their socio-economic conditions, and the illegal extra-national black-market gun trade.
#149 to #147 - comradewinter (03/06/2014) [-]
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Most murders done with illegal firearms can be connected to gang related violence, usually against an opposing gang. When it comes to ordinary citizens being shot, it's done by other citizens without an extraordinary criminal record.

But yes, the problem lies with the culture, socio-economics and opposing groups. It's not something that will be solved by arming everyone or removing their guns, it's a much larger prospect than that.
#114 to #108 - lolelephant (03/06/2014) [-]
An inexperienced person with a gun is less lethal than one with a knife. Why? Accuracy. This is why surgeons get paid more than cops.
#117 to #114 - comradewinter (03/06/2014) [-]
Haha, no. Shoot someone with a gun and they will definitely feel the punch. Keep in mind the bullet is strong enough to break your skull, or pierce your heart outright. Higher grade weapons can make your heart stop simply by the impact. A knife is usually too dull to break through bones, and will likely not cause trauma. It feels like a powerful punch, and although I've never been shot before, it's described as "feeling your body pop", which I think is far worse.

And yes, surgeons get paid more than cops. Mostly because they operate within the patient using various tools such as bone cutters. There's a difference attacking someone with the intent of incapacitating them and transplanting a heart. Not to mention how much you'll have to study. Being able to make precise cuts is the bare minimum of the requirements as far as doctors are concerned.
#118 to #117 - comradewinter (03/06/2014) [-]
Last sentence on first paragraph got ****** . I meant to say that stabbing feels like a powerful punch, and a gunshot like your body is exploding.
#133 to #118 - lolelephant (03/06/2014) [-]
Gun shots feel like well nothing for the most part. Bullets travel almost as fast as neurons meaning you really feel nothing especially after shock sets in. If it goes straight through it is like 'Oh I have a hole in me' . They simply do too much pain too fast to the point your body doesn't feel it. Like being hit by a train. A knife on the other hand is like a very deep paper cut, depending on the area, and relatively slow compared to a bullet. Speaking from experience.

Oh and consider the following:

Gun = Ranged weapon. Knife = Melee weapon.

Meaning a guns accuracy is determined by distance from the target and angle of the nuzzle plus consistency of the chamber. And the farther you are away from you target the less likely you are to hit them with out training.
#135 to #133 - comradewinter (03/06/2014) [-]
Pretty sure a gun from the usual 5-10 meter range is pretty accurate. Also, gun shots ******* hurt. You don't see gun shot victims casually chilling like it's nothing and then die. Just because the impact isn't that bad doesn't mean it won't make it feel like your intestines are imploding afterwards. People get stabbed all the time, some even survive a 20 stab combo. Try the same with gunshots, which usually kills with the first bullet.
#137 to #135 - lolelephant (03/06/2014) [-]
Guns are accurate. People aren't.
Of course gun shots hurt. You just don't feel it. Same way surgery hurts but with painkillers it doesn't.
#139 to #137 - comradewinter (03/06/2014) [-]
Your logic keeps failing. First of all, painkillers don't make surgery survivable. You need some heavier drugs for that. Second, surgery is done under the pretense you're not awake. Probably wouldn't hurt getting shot while being unconscious, either. We're under the impression you're being shot while being alive and well. And then it hurts a ******* .
#141 to #139 - lolelephant (03/06/2014) [-]
You cannot feel being shot. It is not like drowning which is something slow and excruciating. You only feel that you have been shot. I have been shot before, twice actually. You really cannot feel it because the impact is too fast for your body to respond. You certainly can feel the hole in you afterwards. But if you were shot dead (Head or Heart) it would nearly be as peaceful as dying of an aneurysm.
#143 to #141 - comradewinter (03/06/2014) [-]
Yeah, well that brings us to survivability, doesn't it. I don't know about you, but I don't feel like dying yet. What you're saying is that you either die immediately, or you live with pain greater than a stabbing.
#144 to #143 - lolelephant (03/06/2014) [-]
Erm, I don't know how well you read my first comment but it was based on the pretense you die either way. Shot, stabbed or beaten the **** up. I know which one is my preference.
#146 to #144 - comradewinter (03/06/2014) [-]
Not once does it mention preferred method of being murdered, but if that's the case I see your point. However if you got to choose what to face under the impression you can survive, I sure hope the gun wouldn't be on top of that list. Gun mortality is higher, simple as that. Most people can actually aim a gun at someone. It's not like we all have Parkinsson's.
#148 to #146 - lolelephant (03/06/2014) [-]
"I would rather be shot than* stabbed, beaten with a improvised weapon or beaten to death" Excuse me? Please do not presume to tell me what I did or did not say. We do not all have Parkinsson's nor are we all stone cold killers. Do you know what it is like to point a gun at some one? Even more so shoot some one? Unless you have experience in that sort of thing 9/10 times you will be shaking like a mother ****** due to adrenaline any way.
#150 to #148 - comradewinter (03/06/2014) [-]
Just because you mention "beaten to death", doesn't necessarily mean it refers to the gun, the knife, or the improvised weapon. Poor syntax. And no, if you are prepared to kill you'll likely get the shot away anyway. If people defending themselves can shoot an assailant even when caught by surprise, I'm sure someone with a killing intent would do just fine.
#151 to #150 - lolelephant (03/06/2014) [-]
_to death__ is a continuation of the list previous shown by the punctuation know as a 'comma' or this little guy ','.

Poor syntax, as you put it, is a subjective opinion much like I could say you read poorly and miss understood my comment.

If you act by surprise it is a reaction, those tend to happen without much thought going into it and usually most self defense cases happen with feet not metres. The close the range the easier the shot. I have no idea why you're so mad.
#152 to #151 - comradewinter (03/06/2014) [-]
When you write something, you should always adjust to the reader. Just because it looks fine to you, doesn't mean it's like that for everyone else. I've been told by some teachers that I make metaphors they didn't quite understand, and that's something to be criticized as the reader is supposed to understand what is written.

And do you honestly live with the assumption that gun murders are done by distance? You'll usually want to be closer than 5 meters, which makes the target easy to scare if you plan on robbing them, or easy to hit if you plan on killing. You also have more than one bullet in the magazine, believe it or not. Comparing it to a knife murder is even more silly. While you can accurately stab someone from close range, it's just that. Close range. Have a gun at the same range and you'll never miss. You can run away from a knife wielding psycho, but you can't outrun a bullet.

And the last comment is uncalled for and just shows your frustration. I am in no way angry, I'm just a bit perplexed that you claim guns are less lethal than knives.
#167 to #152 - lolelephant (03/06/2014) [-]
I enjoyed our argument, thank you for participating.
#159 to #152 - lolelephant (03/06/2014) [-]
Still I cannot reply to your latest comments, why did reject my friends request? I thought we were getting on splendidly? We seem to have so much to discuss for people who don't know each other.

A indeed left a word out and filled with an incorrect one.

You seem a very aggressive young man I like that.
#160 to #159 - comradewinter (03/06/2014) [-]
For being one referring to personal attacks, you are incredibly bad at staying on subject. Seems like you've ran out of arguments, and I've ran out of patience. Good day.
#157 to #152 - lolelephant (03/06/2014) [-]
I cannot reply to that comment either, you may have blocked or reported me. In which case that is fine.

Typo's are not just hitting the wrong key. Then and Than a very similar words and you can easily type one when meaning the other. That is still a typo.

Ad hominem* Erm, sorry you made a typo there Its okay though because no matter if you write like 5th grader, your personal opinion, like me or a master graduate people make typos. Humans make errors.
#158 to #157 - comradewinter (03/06/2014) [-]
If I had blocked you, you wouldn't be able to reply to any of my comments, view my profile, or send me messages. It's just your FunnyJunk being ****** .

"A typographical error (often shortened to typo) is a mistake made in the typing process (such as spelling, or leaving out a word)[2] of printed material. Historically, this referred to mistakes in manual type-setting (typography). The term includes errors due to mechanical failure or slips of the hand or finger,[2] but excludes errors of ignorance, such as spelling errors."

The typo made there was a slip of hand, since S and D are next to each other. Ironically, I spelled it correct the first time, but ended up writing it in capital letters, so I erased it and rewrote it.

#155 to #152 - lolelephant (03/06/2014) [-]
I cannot reply to your other comment.

Mixing then and than was typo. They happen. Do you believe J.K Rowling never made a typo writing Harry Potter? Very ad hominem argument here.

Guns are more deadly. People with guns are less deadly then people with knives based on the average person. The average person has more experience with knives than guns.

You really are very angry and I cannot fathom why? Do you feel strongly about gun law? About grammar and syntax? About yourself an you own ideals? It makes no sense for you to get this angry over my opinion.
#156 to #155 - comradewinter (03/06/2014) [-]
You really are something. Some people proof-read their writing, others don't. And no, you are wrong. It's not a challenge pointing a gun at something and firing it. What you learn in the military is proper aiming technique so you can hit a target from far away and keep the gun stabilized to reduce recoil even when firing numerous shots. You can still hit the target given it's at short range. A stabbing motion with a knife isn't something people are trained to do, it's not the same motor as when cutting vegetables. However, holding a gun is essentially the same as holding a stick completely still.

And no, it's no personal offense when it comes to the typo. It was an actual argument. You write like a 5th grader, and that's what brought this entire argument to light. It's also not easy making a typo like that when the keys are not even close. Perhaps you should just accept the criticism and not going all fancy with one of the most used Latin expressions thinking it makes you look intelligent.

And as far as as hodinem goes, the entire last paragraph is nothing short of a reflection of you. I can smell your rage all the way over here. Sad, really.
#153 to #152 - lolelephant (03/06/2014) [-]
Common miss conception. There is never just one reader . So you must write what will be most commonly understood. My skill at writing may or may not exceed your skill at reading or the reverse my be true. But what remains is you try to judge my skill by your own skill and thus it is only one opinion, and means very little, that may or may not be biased by pride.

Gun murders are committed at a distance, unless it is an execution, as they are ranged weapons. That is there advantage. The distance is the only variable and again most commonly you will want be at a range that your attacker/victim will not be able to reach you.

The last comment was called for because your comment on my skills a writing where ad hominem and therefore saw to discredit my arguments by discrediting me. This is usually an aggressive tactic done through frustration.

Again my original comment was that I would rather be shot to death because it is usually more deadly and therefore less painful.

#154 to #153 - comradewinter (03/06/2014) [-]
So after you claim you have a higher chance of survival against a gunman, you now admit a gun is more deadly. Ok. I guess you really have an awful way of expressing your language. Maybe this would've been easier to understand if you actually paid attention to what you wrote. Then again, you managed to make the inconceivable mistake of mixing then and than, so it doesn't surprise me your writing skills are below par.
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