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#15 - apexhawk (03/05/2014) [+] (2 replies)
Okay, I saw finland quoted on the post, and as a finn, I want to point out a couple of things about our gun laws:

- The Firearms in Finland are all carefully regulated and registered. Most of them are hunting rifles, since hunting is a fairly popular hobby.
- Handguns have been carefully regulated, and regulations were tightened further a few years ago bacause of multiple cases of school shootings in Kauhajoki and Jokela.
- The sale of assault weapons is banned.
- Most importantly: Finland still uses conscription. This means that a large presentage of the male (and female) population is professionally trained to use, maintain and respect the weapon. this is not the case in, say, the united states.

The infographic also neglects the fact that the standard of living influences the country's homicide rate much more than gun ownership does. it also ignores positive examples of gun regulation like Australia.
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User avatar #20 to #19 - tealcanaan (03/05/2014) [-]
What exactly are you trying to get at?
#2 - stripey (03/05/2014) [+] (1 reply)
User avatar #66 - monswine (03/05/2014) [+] (34 replies)
This is just one-side of it. Guns don't kill people on their own, sure, but they make it easier. I would much rather have more violent crimes but less homicides.
User avatar #83 to #66 - Yardie (03/06/2014) [-]
It may make it easier, but the fact is guns exist. Legislation will not get rid of guns.

They aren't that difficult to make and criminals will get a hold of guns or keep their guns if guns suddenly become banned, leaving them in an advantageous position.

It also allows the physically superior to oppress the physically weak a lot easier when it comes to crime. Guns are known as the great equalizer for a reason.
User avatar #60 - awesomescorpion (03/05/2014) [+] (2 replies)
A couple facts:
1. USA = #103 in homicide rates.
2. 192 countries exist.
Conclusion: 89 countries have lower homicide rates than the US.

I'd like to see how many of those 89 have pro-gun or anti-gun laws, respectively. THEN I'll look into pro-gun laws as a viable alternative to lower crime.

1. Less people are killed by homicide in Palestine than in the US. That says stuff...
2. The UK has 1.2 compared to the 4.7 of the US. So much for an example of the negative effects of anti-gun laws.
3. The top 10 lowest homicide countries are either very, very wealthy or have extremely low population.

My theory: economic prosperity and/or small societies generate societal peace. I do not know WHAT is going on in the US, but in the rest of the world pro-gun laws are NOT helping.

Show me a table with three columns: country, percentage of inhabitants with guns, homicide rates per capita. THEN I'll take a serious look into it. I am too lazy and tired to make something like that now.
#1 - GoldenBob (03/05/2014) [+] (5 replies)
You kidding me? Just take look at how dangerous guns are.
You kidding me? Just take look at how dangerous guns are.
#12 - stilanonymous (03/05/2014) [+] (7 replies)
There is absolutely no way that america is #103 on the list of homicides. Everyone is also like hey 4.7 not bad, but when u say 5ish out of every 100,000 people are murdered well then it takes on a different view. Guns are the problem whether the states will admit it or not. You have gun totting redneck ***** and kids that are bullied so hey why not kill everyone. If the states had better gun laws and made guns less accessible then maybe people wouldn't be killing each other all the damn time. Its not even like you would use most of the guns for hunting anyways. I live in Canada and stabbings occur maybe twice a year where someone dies. Last time there was a gun murder was 2 years ago in my city anyways.
User avatar #17 to #12 - tealcanaan (03/05/2014) [-]
And if you didn't read, there was Harvard study that showed a negative correlation between guns and violent crime.
#57 - gurubear (03/05/2014) [+] (15 replies)
As always i going to leave this
User avatar #82 to #57 - oceanmist ONLINE (03/06/2014) [-]
But cars Don't need any of that unless you use them on public roads. Just like you usually need a training, permit , ect. to carry a gun in public areas.
#54 - nottoointeresting (03/05/2014) [+] (2 replies)
This thing gets posted every now and then. Most of it is untrue and most of of the sources false. for example. The USA vs Britain violent crime thing. Thats because this graphic classes violent crime in the USA is only rape, murder and armed robbery. where as The British definition covers literally hundreds of other crimes. If you hold them both up to the same standerd the US clocks in between double and triple that of the UK
#91 - opiumanthem (03/06/2014) [+] (3 replies)
I think that gun ownership is a great thing, and handguns are fine. But I feel like the line is blurred when people demand the right to own an automatic assault rifle with a large magazine. I feel like a pistol, maybe a rifle, is all you need.
User avatar #92 to #91 - tealcanaan (03/06/2014) [-]
I don't own a full auto (don't have the money for licencing, they are not that easy to get legally), but I do have a mini-14 with what would be considered a large magazine (15 rounds) for that gun.I think the process in place is good, the problem are illegal firearms that a criminal wouldn't even qualify for legally.
#84 - Ragon (03/06/2014) [-]
an armed society is a polite society

pic not really relevant
#62 - gurubear (03/05/2014) [+] (7 replies)
I call 			********		 on that Harvard Study, when you google it the first articles says that it is inconclusive.
I call ******** on that Harvard Study, when you google it the first articles says that it is inconclusive.
User avatar #89 to #64 - tealcanaan (03/06/2014) [-]
But it is the citizens right to defend themselves, do you not agree?
User avatar #43 - mugenchamploo (03/05/2014) [+] (7 replies)
One part is untrue. Here in Colorado, our gun laws are very relaxed, you can walk around with a firearm on your hip and no one will say a word, and we have had, just in the last decade, a number of mass shootings. I agree with this posts purpose. But that is just plain not true
User avatar #50 to #49 - mugenchamploo (03/05/2014) [-]
I agree, i was simply pointing out what i saw as the one flaw in this post. Guns dont kill people. Husbands who come home early from work do
#25 - niemandbesonderes (03/05/2014) [+] (2 replies)
It has graphs and stuff so it must be 100% legit.
User avatar #30 to #25 - tealcanaan (03/05/2014) [-]
And it has sources!!!!!!!!
#79 - hypnotoad stare (03/06/2014) [+] (1 reply)
> Gun Thread?

My favorite gun I own
#28 - noteventrying ONLINE (03/05/2014) [+] (7 replies)
I feel that you have cherry picked your statistics a lot. Did you also know that in 2012 you were four times more likely to be murdered in New York than in London. This is just an example I am not saying that this is an accurate representation of the subject
User avatar #29 to #28 - tealcanaan (03/05/2014) [-]
That's true, but did you know that it's nearly impossible to get a gun in New York, and illegal to CC?
User avatar #95 - pixmantle (03/06/2014) [-]
If I love anything about FJ, it's that the content is one side of the story, and the comments are a dozen others.
#59 - anonymous (03/05/2014) [-]
Correlation doesn't imply causation. just sayin'
User avatar #8 - Shiny (03/05/2014) [-]
So...what's the funny part?
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