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traelos (01/08/2016) [-] Guns don't belong on college campuses because dorms are very tightly packed areas full of drunk people and guns and booze don't mix.
But thinking having a gun free area makes you safer from school shootings is pants on head retarded.
But thinking having a gun free area makes you safer from school shootings is pants on head retarded.
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kulamia (01/09/2016) [-] Dorms/campuses. Here in Texas if someone wants to carry a firearm they must have a License to Carry(formerly Concealed Handgun License) and pass a thorough background check in order to do so.
Saying "I dont think people who go through a vetted legal process to carry a weapon in an otherwise vulnerable area" just doesnt add up when talking about people committing crimes utilizing firearms.
www.factcheck.org/2015/10/the-oregon-shooting-and-gun-free-zones/
^See, Trump's remarks on Oregon shooting. Students allowed to CONCEALED CARRY but not allowed legal firearms in dorms. Result: Unless some otherwise law-abiding citizen was breaking the law by carrying, they had to wait for the police. "When second count, the police are only minutes away"
Saying "I dont think people who go through a vetted legal process to carry a weapon in an otherwise vulnerable area" just doesnt add up when talking about people committing crimes utilizing firearms.
www.factcheck.org/2015/10/the-oregon-shooting-and-gun-free-zones/
^See, Trump's remarks on Oregon shooting. Students allowed to CONCEALED CARRY but not allowed legal firearms in dorms. Result: Unless some otherwise law-abiding citizen was breaking the law by carrying, they had to wait for the police. "When second count, the police are only minutes away"
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traelos (01/09/2016) [-] >CCW
>Vetted
You mean a farmer looking for cash let them go plinking on his ranch for 15 minutes?
And more importantly
>Tightly packed drunk people
Because it's worth having a bunch of meat headed business majors shooting each other because BRO YOU BUMPED INTO MY GIRL rather than the literally 1 in a million chance of a school shooting happening.
Like **** guy, use your ******* head.
>Vetted
You mean a farmer looking for cash let them go plinking on his ranch for 15 minutes?
And more importantly
>Tightly packed drunk people
Because it's worth having a bunch of meat headed business majors shooting each other because BRO YOU BUMPED INTO MY GIRL rather than the literally 1 in a million chance of a school shooting happening.
Like **** guy, use your ******* head.
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kulamia (01/09/2016) [-] In the Republic State of Texas it is a lengthy and thorough process. A friend just took his class and his waiting period is looking like 4 weeks.
Also it is ILLEGAL to be inebriated in any way while carrying. LAW ABIDING citizens tend to not open themselves to civil suits and legal action.
Also it is ILLEGAL to be inebriated in any way while carrying. LAW ABIDING citizens tend to not open themselves to civil suits and legal action.
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traelos (01/09/2016) [-] In the Fascist State of Connecticut it's a longer and more convoluted thorough process. I just took my class and after the 6-8 weeks to get my temp permit in the mail, I took it to the police station and got a different temp permit. Then earlier this week, I brought it to the office in Middletown to get the full permit, but I forgot one piece of paperwork so I had to mail that in and now they're mailing me my permit which should arrive any day now.
A guy from work taught the class, and we actually went over the course material because he happens to have a passion for teaching and a lot of the people in the class had never used a gun before and actually needed to learn how.
But in reality at least half of the people taking the NRA basic pistol safety class are going out to some random farmers ranch, where he has them put 3 rounds through a .22 into some cans and then signs a piece of paper for them.
And again, if you think college students are LAW ABIDING citizens and not ******* retards, you're woefully naive.
A guy from work taught the class, and we actually went over the course material because he happens to have a passion for teaching and a lot of the people in the class had never used a gun before and actually needed to learn how.
But in reality at least half of the people taking the NRA basic pistol safety class are going out to some random farmers ranch, where he has them put 3 rounds through a .22 into some cans and then signs a piece of paper for them.
And again, if you think college students are LAW ABIDING citizens and not ******* retards, you're woefully naive.
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bandgeekster (01/09/2016) [-] I absolutely agree. Students shouldn't have guns. Teachers though? Teachers should have guns. Your point is absolutely valid. I wouldn't have trusted myself around firearms most of my years in college. But these massacres are happening in the middle of the day. When teachers are around. Who tend to be decidedly more sober than the average college student.
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lean ONLINE (01/08/2016) [-] so you are saying guns should be banned because people don't follow the rules?
Apply that to driving, or drinking, or constructing buildings.
"we shouldn't make any more buildings because some contractors don't follow the rules"
It doesn't really make sense in that context either. For the record, many schools already allow guns in dorms for the purposes of cleaning etc, especially in parts of the country where many people hunt. I kept my duck hunting shotgun locked in my trunk at all times on campus, and obtained permission to bring it in to my room for cleaning. After I was done, I had to bring it directly back to my car. I did get some funny looks walking into the dorm with a gun case on my shoulder.
Apply that to driving, or drinking, or constructing buildings.
"we shouldn't make any more buildings because some contractors don't follow the rules"
It doesn't really make sense in that context either. For the record, many schools already allow guns in dorms for the purposes of cleaning etc, especially in parts of the country where many people hunt. I kept my duck hunting shotgun locked in my trunk at all times on campus, and obtained permission to bring it in to my room for cleaning. After I was done, I had to bring it directly back to my car. I did get some funny looks walking into the dorm with a gun case on my shoulder.
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lean ONLINE (01/08/2016) [-] Absolutely. Are you telling me you are against them smoking pot and drinking in their own rooms? The state trusts them to safely and responsibly carry guns for hunting, or CCW if over 21. You think that location makes a difference on that judgement? It's dangerous in the dorm room but not in the field? Why do we send college age kids to war in strange countries if the guns are dangerous? Do we only want them to protect themselves when the government sanctions it?
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admiralen ONLINE (01/09/2016) [-] Which place do you think will have more guns, a place where they are allowed or a place where they arent?
Some people are gonna break the rules, but in general you will lower the risk of a dude on a bad acid trip shooting his roommate cause he thought he was an alien
Some people are gonna break the rules, but in general you will lower the risk of a dude on a bad acid trip shooting his roommate cause he thought he was an alien
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traelos (01/08/2016) [-] They can smoke and drink, or they can operate firearms. Just not both at the same time.
I absolutely think environment makes a difference in their judgement. If you think college students in dorms are making smart life choices you are incredibly naive.
It's dangerous in a dorm but not in the field because kids are ******* drunk in dorms, this **** isn't complicated.
Like I don't know what you think I'm about, I'm all for funs and I'm all for the whole 'shall not be infringed' part of the Constitution, but I'm also all for treating college students like idiots until at least their junior year, because they are.
I absolutely think environment makes a difference in their judgement. If you think college students in dorms are making smart life choices you are incredibly naive.
It's dangerous in a dorm but not in the field because kids are ******* drunk in dorms, this **** isn't complicated.
Like I don't know what you think I'm about, I'm all for funs and I'm all for the whole 'shall not be infringed' part of the Constitution, but I'm also all for treating college students like idiots until at least their junior year, because they are.
