Equality is a stupid thing to strive for, because men and women are not equal. Hell, modern society works on the basis that people are not equal.
The very fact that men and women are biologically different is key in many areas; which gender is normally used for public announcements? Female, because a female voice is more complex than a male one and the two are actually decoded in different parts of the brain.
Who is normally employed to do jobs that involve heavy lifting and physical work? Men, because men are normally stronger than women.
These are all generalizations, though, and this is not always the case.
Yes, male rape victims not getting the same treatment as women is an issue. Women automatically winning most child custody cases is an issue. Women getting reduced prison sentences is an issue.
These problems are where we should focus our attention, because these problems are not affected by the gender of a person; rape is rape, a crime is a crime, and anyone can bring up a child.
what's that one spide species where the female is like 2-3x as large as the male and after ejaculating into the female, the male then gets eaten by the the female?
sure as hell don't see them organizing meninism parades
in pretty much every species in the world, the 2 genders aren't equal. it's a fact of life. just gotta deal with it
maybe 100 years from now we can genetically engineer Homo sapiens v2.0 where men and women have equal physical and mental traits, but until then they need to shut the **** up
I don't think a lot of people actually think of equality as something that needs to be applied to everything in society and no society can or does work like this. When we say equality, we try to make it so the gap between people isn't enormous. For example the difference in mandatory paternal and maternal leave. With a lack of better example I guess. You think of equality as something that has to be literal. Women have to be exactly like males or vice-versa for equality. That's not really how equality works, at least in my country. Look at the human right's declaration, that's a great example of equality: "All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights. They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood."
you mean equity is stupid. equity is that everyone gets to look over the fence metaphor and everyone would get to work with heavy lifting though its a job better fitted for men since they are simply stronger by nature.
equality is that if a woman is ******* good at lifting big things she gets the same opportunity as any man to do so.
That is some delicious commenting right there. I´m not very old, I don´t know much but
I´ve always fought of equality as something not reachable, mainly because of our bodies.
Its the same thing with there will always be conflicts as long as there are humans.
I think peace is nearly impossible, because people wont let go of the fact that some people get to do what they love (as long as its not illegal ofc) But thinking differently is "Wrong" therefore punishable.
When we are on the subject of humanity - Religion, I don´t think to many diagrees if I say ALOT of less wars would have happened if it didn´t exist. I´m not saying religion is wrong I´m saying some people take it too far.
I´m an atheist with some religious friends, its totally fine between us. I think god is ******** they think I´m wrong and that´s that. We can do what we want. Sadly the world don´t think like that.
(I´m making a long ass comment)
One more thing: It makes me kinda sad when I think of how we send out millions worth of money into space but we can´t feed our population on earth. The world is quiet depressing and humanity sickening. Hopefully it will look better at some point and I hope peoples hard work towards a brighter future pays of.
**uguuu used "*roll picture*"** **uguuu rolled image**That is what i have been saying when asked about the subject, equality is a rather ignorant thing to strive for; I'd rather strive for equal opportunity but this does not mean equal outcome, equal rights. Females have far more rights than males behind the eyes of the law, but hey Male privilege right? Damn you patriarchy where are you when we need you?
female voice is more complex? what does it even mean?
btw. people generally trust male voices because they are deeper, even females with deeper voices are perceived more trustworthy than females with high pitched voices
Equality (not the kind sjws promote) strives for providing everyone with the means to overcome their disadvantages, not giving everyone the same package. That picture has a flawed definition of equality.
If anything, equality would be the situation on the right-hand side of the pic.
Yes we are equal, we are all people and deserve to be treated as such.
We are different and there's nothing wrong with that, we have our strengths and weaknesses and that's how it is.
But we are equally human.
Well actually... if you account for variables like, strength, health, intelligence, disease, talents, skills, genetics, etc. we are also not equally human either. The real point of equality I think, is equal opportunity. We can't all be the same, but we can sure as all have the same opportunities.
Well actually... even if you account to those variable it doesn't make anyone more or less human than others. Human is a species. you don't look at a stronger, bigger lion and say "oh look there is more lion" and to weaker one "this one is less lion" because they are both ****** lions.
Now for equality of opportunity I totally agree. everyone can strive to be anything, but they better sure as hell have qualities needed for that, but that will only give you happy society (if people can do and will do what they are good at and like) but not equity. Now equity is load of ******** on the other hand, having equal numbers, of people doing jobs, that has nothing to do with their actual abilities is straight road to hell, but that is exactly what is being pushed forwards nowadays.
What do you mean by that? Being member of a species is one thing and failing at natural selection is another. Failing to pass yours genes doesn't miraculously transform you to crocodile at yours death bed. At least I hope it doesn't.
All I tried to say that as a human, you should be able to try and do what you like with yours life, pursue career etc... but you have to have qualities required for that. If you fail - you fail. That will definitely bring inequity in numbers of representation of genders/races and other **** in some fields. Because humans differ from each other and different groups of people generally are better in some variables than others.
In the end none that was said makes one less or more human, or strips of a name itself.
Well my point was that no two humans are equal. Animals in nature might actually be more similar, because only the strong survive and reproduce. Humanity is currently a genetic dump. Even our brains are shrinking faster than our bodies.
Equal in their abilities - of course not, there is no discussion there.
Equal as members of species - yes, since society is built by humans for humans, so each should get a chance to get as big piece of cake as he can, and the size is determined by persons abilities.
Genetic dump - **** yes. And it will grow even more.
It depends on how you phrase equality. It's possible to have equal rights, and laws put in place to prevent one gender/race from having more given to them than another. It's possible for societal equality to be achieved (though we shouldn't really be actively striving for that because that would take centuries). But it's true, it isn't possible to make all genders and races truly equal beings. Men and women are predisposed to being better at certain things because of how their brains function. True equality is not oppressing others because they think we're different, true equality is treating others with the same amount of respect in spite of their differences, until they give you a reason not to.
When she calls for equality, I don't think she's calling for more women heavy lifters, or more men public announcers. I believe she's calling for equal representation and equal value being placed for each gender. This isn't to say that men and when must be the same, or even that two men must be the same, but that the determination of the value of a human should have absolutely nothing to do with gender, but rather some other factor (generally meritocracy).
I completely agree with your points, but I don't think that equality is a stupid thing to strive for. It's a great thing to strive for, granted that we're talking about value and equal opportunity rather than equity of the genders themselves. Such a thing, as you pointed out, would not be a good idea: hell it's impossible males and females are different. period. . But equality of respect between the genders sounds fantastic! If two humans are to have any different "value" I struggle to say different human values unless I provide that I believe all humans are very highly valuable , it should be based upon something entirely irrelevant to gender.
I think what you might be going for is that men and women are not identical and should not be treated as such. We can still respect each other equally and I think that's what people generally mean when they talk about equality obviously not including the rad fems
but if you just ignore it then with all these 'sjw's will continue to shape our justice system. this is based solely on the fact that they will be the ones to stand up and try to change the law more so in their favor.
what part of the justice system have they already shaped? i dont know much about them. but i have faith in the human race, or at least where i live in america, that ridiculous beliefs held by radical feminists and "sjw's" are not and will not be accepted as a part in our society. i dont think the majority of americans are dumb enough(contrary to the stereotype) to believe what they are fighting for. you can see where they have stood up, there has been an equal reaction if not greater against them, and that is mostly on the internet. you see anti sjw stuff everywhere. yet ive never met some of these radical feminists and sjw's. i have met other extremists, and much more often, most commonly racists. i honestly think the whole thing is a petty argument blown way out of proportion. are sjws and feminists really our problem? i also wouldnt be surprised to learn that the attention they have received has fueled the argument.
There were two schools of thought about domestic violence back in the 80's one pointed out that both genders are victims almost equally and that most domestic violence is temporary and can be treated with consoling.
The other was the Duluth model which says that men are all violent and always the aggressor drive to be that way by "patriarchy"(sound familiar) this is the system that was adopted and used in laws in almost every civilized country for the last few decades.
Under this model men were made to take courses to treat their violent behavior even if they were the victims and called in the abuse, if during this they claimed they were the victim they were labeled as serial abusers and made to continue until they admitted they were at fault.
This is just one thing of feminism way back from the 80s they have done many things since then like the new college policy that people be punished for any reports of rape regardless of evidence against the claim.
In fact one man was not allowed to finish his schooling because he simply "looked like" someone who had raped a girl even though he wasn't the one who did it.
Egalitarianism is a blanket term to include gender, ethnicity, social status and class, wealth, and any other characteristic that would be used to divide people into categories.
I like your original point, but my douchebag argumentative side is coming out, so feel free to disregard this because I'm literally just arguing semantics and it's a stupid conversation, but:
Okay, you got me that all words have to be made up at some point, but I'm against the act of inventing new words that are dumbed down versions of existing ones.
i was saying equalism as a movement, not a word, was american.
it has shown up periodically on american campuses as equalism specifically.
and it was dealing mainly with race and sex.
yours includes classism and wealthism and even heightism.
much more inclusive and in fact redundant for america.
I guess that's fair. I still think it doesn't sound as good, but okay I accept the legitimacy of the term after looking a bit more into it. There isn't much about it because it's an emerging word.
**idoliam used "*roll picture*"** **idoliam rolled image**All of us non feminists that are tired of it. It's refreshing to see a woman fighting feminism.
The reason most women become feminists is because they're often social rejects due to their behavior, appearance, or just their plain old "rebel" attitude.
Of course, the minute something comes around and says "None of this is your fault, this is 'X's fault", of course they'll latch onto anything that will make them feel better.
The only true way to fight feminism is to stop people from treating it as a source of comfort. It's also why menininism exists now. Is it even surprising that it's usually fedoramen with katanas? It's the same deal.
For the moment, all we can do is try to be nicer towards would-be social rejects, and figure out ways to help these outcasts adapt to society. Otherwise, they'll continue to become desparate for acknowledgement, and will either become;
*Chronically depressed
*Socially avoidant
*Unemployed
*Men/Feminists
and will take out their self-frustrations out on the society around them. This can be prevented by simply being nice towards people in general. It won't 100% cure the problem, but at least it will reduce it greatly.
As the ancient hawaiians used to say;
"The world is only seen as an ugly place because the world itself is convinced that it is ugly"
We can't all be Tito. We can't be nice because it's reached a point that no matter how nice you are, if you're not a feminist then you're a piece of **** . Also, the social reject thing leading to feminism is hardly true. It's just what you see on the internet.
After all, I am just an alternate version of you,
with different experiences that influenced my personality.
Deep in our cores, we are kindred spirits that want to be acknowledged.
Rejection and loneliness can twist good people into horrible monsters.
Remember, the man that slew 11 million jews was just an artist that felt rejected.
Had his art career launched as planned, he wouldn't have wasted time in the military, nor would he have become a dictator. Sure he would still have disliked the jews, but at least people wouldn't have had to die by his hand.
You don't know that.
Feminism is the result of people feeling rejected for too long.
Once they become feminists, it is hopeless to revert them back.
At the very least, we should encourage kinder universal treatment towards everyone who has wronged no one else yet. Say "hi" to a stranger on the bus, ask them about their day.
People like to feel acknowledged.
When ordering fast food, tell your cashier a joke. Those people hate their jobs,
so anything nice thrown their way would make a tremendous difference on their mood.
men need to be treated worse because they are objectively better in every way. if women were held to the same standards it would be unfair because men are inherently superior and you need to treat women better or else they don't stand a chance