German Army WWII comp. Hope you guys enjoy <3 and before you comment, sorry about the typo.. Naxi Germany
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#5 - mudkipfucker ONLINE (06/06/2014) [-]
Naxi Germany
Naxi Germany
User avatar #253 to #5 - minecraftmemes (06/07/2014) [-]
what are you, some sort of a grammar naxi?
#83 to #5 - kantushugger (06/06/2014) [-]
in b4 spelling is not necessarily grammar
User avatar #176 to #5 - sandle (06/07/2014) [-]
its like someone put axis and nazi together
User avatar #7 to #5 - topheavymonkeyy (06/06/2014) [-]
Oops. Sorry about that. Ironic though
#12 to #5 - fourtwentt (06/06/2014) [-]
Good to see you on here again
Good to see you on here again
User avatar #68 to #5 - oaaaa (06/06/2014) [-]
dont be such a grammar naxi
#178 - toxicwastedump (06/07/2014) [-]
Naxi pads, for when shes on the rag Anne frankly you dont want to deal with her.
#183 to #178 - AnonsForSure ONLINE (06/07/2014) [-]
>I'm on the rage mate, so go ahead and chuck it in me dumpsta!
>I'm on the rage mate, so go ahead and chuck it in me dumpsta!
#48 - szatan (06/06/2014) [-]
1. ******** ! First german camouflage was called Splittertarnmuster or Splittertarn and was introduced in 1931 to Reichwehr units. Flecktarn is name of current german camo pattern.
2. ******** ! Hitler was almost nothing to say about new guns for soldiers. StG 44 was just another technical adventage after not so good MP-40. Next. First prototype of this first modern assault rifle was not named MP-44 but Maschinenkarabiner 1942(MKb 42). And biggest pile of ******** in this image. Only similar thing between AK-47 and Stg 44 was shape. Almost everything was different. Mechanism, method of construction, materials used. ***************** !
3."Near the end of WWII, Naxi(seriously? ) Germany was very close to having blah blah blah" ******** ! First test fly of Me-262 was in july 1942 and introduction to line units was in april 1944. Germans made about 1400 of them, but used only about 200. 100 was destroyed by allies pilots.
4. Kinda ******** . You can't said Tiger was best tank overall. Sure it has great 8.8cm cannon, thick armour, good engine and other **** , but on the other hand it was hard and expensive in production, require specialized crew and ******** ammount of fuel.
That part of being best tank is also kinda ******** . Tiger just encounter bad opponents. Sherman, for example, was one big fire trap on tracks(soldiers even called him Zippo becaus he's "light up the first try"[ignite after one accurate hit]). And russian tanks? There was just many of them. And by many i mean REALLY MANY of medicore in all aspects tanks driven by pulled away from the plow guys. If we talking about amount/kill ratio, sure we can name Tiger best tank, but if we taking it overall, it was just very good.
I have no information about 5 and 6, so i say nothing.
Nevertheless this post is full of ******** , flase information and faggotry.

Sorry about bad english
User avatar #296 to #48 - froloff (06/07/2014) [-]
The StG 44 is still considered as the first modern assault rifle and apart from the design, the AK-47 shares a similar gas system with the StG 44.
#50 to #48 - topheavymonkeyy (06/06/2014) [-]
Thanks for the feedback!    
   
As far as I'm aware, i made this just to show good can come from bad. And that although Nazi  If you read the desc. you'd know that was a typo  Germany was 			******		 up, they helped us advance SO MUCH it's untrue. And although you may know more about this than me, I respect that and I'm not going to be mad or rage at you, I'm glad you called me out so I could learn too.    
   
I never said I was an expert, I just did this to show the cool stuff from the past, and how it's affected us, I also wanted just to waste a little time    
   
 BTW, thanks for making OP feel bad by going all out rage, it makes me real happy that you don't hear my side before raging your face off. Helps with my clinical depression.
Thanks for the feedback!

As far as I'm aware, i made this just to show good can come from bad. And that although Nazi If you read the desc. you'd know that was a typo Germany was ****** up, they helped us advance SO MUCH it's untrue. And although you may know more about this than me, I respect that and I'm not going to be mad or rage at you, I'm glad you called me out so I could learn too.

I never said I was an expert, I just did this to show the cool stuff from the past, and how it's affected us, I also wanted just to waste a little time

BTW, thanks for making OP feel bad by going all out rage, it makes me real happy that you don't hear my side before raging your face off. Helps with my clinical depression.
#56 to #50 - szatan (06/06/2014) [-]
Rage? Bro, im calm like no none ever. I just wanted do emphasize you errors.     
I'm not an expert either. I'm just military history geek.    
   
Anyway, keep doing OC's. This site needs it.
Rage? Bro, im calm like no none ever. I just wanted do emphasize you errors.
I'm not an expert either. I'm just military history geek.

Anyway, keep doing OC's. This site needs it.
#57 to #56 - topheavymonkeyy (06/06/2014) [-]
Look, I accept the feedback and I love to learn so I'm glad someone like you can correct me, just next time you see something like this, don't use such a pic and then keep using ' ******** !' over and over. if you were to be calm and just say it how it is:
1) You wouldn't hurt the Op's feelings
2) Get your point across better
3) Not encourage me to rage out and cause a *********

Just saying, in future, think about how what you say hurts or affects people. All I was doing was giving people a little insight into my Fatherland.

Follow my posts as a part 2 will be out soon and you can tell me what to do the next comp about and give me facts and I'll credit you
#110 to #57 - John Cena (06/06/2014) [-]
lol telling people not to be mean on the internet
#263 to #57 - John Cena (06/07/2014) [-]
Bro, it's criticism, stop taking it like the dick you hunger for so much.
You don't want to deal with it? ******* check wikipedia harder then. **** you.
#249 to #57 - winiacz (06/07/2014) [-]
You were wrong in many aspects while creating your OC. You dun ****** up. You've been corrected. As for the internet standards, in a very calm way. Now quit your bitchin.
#124 to #57 - fcrocker (06/07/2014) [-]
Fact check your **** , bro. Only takes a minute and stops you looking like a mug.
#160 to #48 - John Cena (06/07/2014) [-]
He didn't say the Tiger was the best tank overall, he just said that it was the most successful, even if it was because of facing off against inferior forces.
User avatar #131 to #48 - badmotorfinger ONLINE (06/07/2014) [-]
i love the almost professional-sounding use of the word faggotry. +1
User avatar #77 - inconspicuousguy (06/06/2014) [-]
The part on the Jet is 100% wrong. The Me-262 A1 was in full production by the end of the war, with one full fighter wing equipped exclusively with the aircraft. 1,400 of them were built. Never reached production my ass.

Also its a sexy ******* plane.
User avatar #81 to #77 - topheavymonkeyy (06/06/2014) [-]
Read the ******* comments before you post numbnuts. I've had that said like 90 times, I get the ******* picture
User avatar #103 to #81 - inconspicuousguy (06/06/2014) [-]
Don't post false information then. It's your ******* fault
User avatar #115 to #103 - getballar (06/07/2014) [-]
This

If you're doing a factual comp, at least use facts ffs
#250 - jakedefense (06/07/2014) [-]
Why does this post have so many thumbs? Many of these facts are plain wrong or very inaccurate. Second fact, "Hitler didn't want any more assault rifles being produced" bull 			****		, there was no such thing as an assault rifle before the invention of the STG 44.    
   
Third fact. "... very close to having the first working fighter jet". They had a working jet aircraft in 1941, although it wasn't combat ready and it wasn't the me 262. The me 262 was working in 1942 and was in production during 1943 with limited action then was used in its largest numbers during 1944. It was successful and hitler demanded they be used as fighter bombers. No redesign happened, he just demanded fighter bombers. The war ended before it was put out for production? WHAT?   
   
Fact four. I seriously doubt the accuracy of that statement. The tiger was a very good tank and it was renowned, although I am not sure if it takes the top spot EVER.   
   
Fact Five. Meh.   
   
Fact six. (Citation needed)
Why does this post have so many thumbs? Many of these facts are plain wrong or very inaccurate. Second fact, "Hitler didn't want any more assault rifles being produced" bull **** , there was no such thing as an assault rifle before the invention of the STG 44.

Third fact. "... very close to having the first working fighter jet". They had a working jet aircraft in 1941, although it wasn't combat ready and it wasn't the me 262. The me 262 was working in 1942 and was in production during 1943 with limited action then was used in its largest numbers during 1944. It was successful and hitler demanded they be used as fighter bombers. No redesign happened, he just demanded fighter bombers. The war ended before it was put out for production? WHAT?

Fact four. I seriously doubt the accuracy of that statement. The tiger was a very good tank and it was renowned, although I am not sure if it takes the top spot EVER.

Fact Five. Meh.

Fact six. (Citation needed)
User avatar #321 to #250 - mummyslittlebitch (06/07/2014) [-]
The Russian T-34 was better
#233 - legodude (06/07/2014) [-]
this post is so full of ******** , the ME262 DID fight during the war it first flew in 1941 and about 1500 were made!
User avatar #17 - icewizardftw (06/06/2014) [-]
When you say that Hitler didn't want anymore assault rifles, did you mean sub machine guns or bolt action rifles? Because the STG 44 was the first assault rifle the Germans developed.
User avatar #18 to #17 - topheavymonkeyy (06/06/2014) [-]
Hitler didn't want any AR's because MP's were easier and cheaper to make, but workers in a factory made an AR and called it Machine Pistol to trick Hitler, but when he caught on he decided that he liked the rifle and kept the design
User avatar #19 to #18 - icewizardftw (06/06/2014) [-]
Ok thanks for clearing that up.
User avatar #20 to #19 - topheavymonkeyy (06/06/2014) [-]
You're welcome <3
User avatar #21 to #20 - icewizardftw (06/06/2014) [-]
Keep up the good work, I hope to see the other factions have comps as well!
User avatar #22 to #21 - topheavymonkeyy (06/06/2014) [-]
you mean Red army, Russian Spetsnaz and so on?
User avatar #23 to #22 - icewizardftw (06/06/2014) [-]
Yea pretty much.
User avatar #24 to #23 - topheavymonkeyy (06/06/2014) [-]
Be sure to keep an eye on my posts, the next one will be Another German army comp because I know so much about them, then I will ask what the community wants. If you have any facts you'd like to donate, feel free and I'll credit you next time.
User avatar #180 to #24 - jackmaccone (06/07/2014) [-]
i like that stuff but how do you know that many about them
#281 - kaboomz ONLINE (06/07/2014) [-]
>naxi
#52 - greenbob (06/06/2014) [-]
While Nazi gemans were horrible people their technological progress is ******* amazing.

That airplane? the Messerschmitt Me 262?
Good plane. But not as advaced, or cool as this one.

Horton 2-29
Before you ask, that did run the ME262 and 2-29 against one another. While ME was faster, 2-29 was much more maneuverable. Which is what you need, in a sky-fight.
Shape familiar? Well that's 'cause the people who made the B2 were inspired by it. hell, It might'Ve even been them, for all i know. After the war, everybody took german scientists liek they were hot potatoes.

This bad ************ , if it was put into production, it might've been enough to break England. That's how badass it is.
For those who want to learn more, there's a documentary on this one. www.youtube.com/watch?v=weFQ2FfbMfc
User avatar #54 to #52 - topheavymonkeyy (06/06/2014) [-]
The point of this comp was to show how good comes from bad.
With the STG 44, we get the AK-47, the worlds most well known rifle.
With the ME-262 and Ho 2-29 we got fighter jets

If the Nazis were given a few more years they would of easily won with their inventions.
User avatar #127 to #54 - wotterpatch (06/07/2014) [-]
Except the AK47 is literally nothing alike the STG44, and the development of the two had nothing to do with each other
User avatar #58 to #54 - greenbob (06/06/2014) [-]
I completely agree. It is a good comp. Very good in fact.

Much better than anything i would do, to be honest.

But it still mamazes me, just how much did they achieve, i guess that is the power of human mind under pressure. Or human mind with a lot of funding behind it. One of those.

Anyway, great comp, man. I hope to see more, if that won't be a problem.
For example, would it be possible to get a comp of what came out of korea/vietnam wars? you never really hear about those two, and if you do, it's not something good.
User avatar #59 to #58 - topheavymonkeyy (06/06/2014) [-]
Check out my pt 2. It's up now and you can leave a comment about your own facts and suggestions on the next comp's subject! :3
User avatar #73 to #52 - thespecialone (06/06/2014) [-]
if i remember correctly, you have to shoot them down at the beginning of wolfenstein: the new order
#151 to #52 - Coolinbny (06/07/2014) [-]
Dude, they actually had this thing flying. It crashed because of the shoddy engines that Germany had at the time, but this thing, had it reached full-scale production when the Germans were attacking England, would have really taken the fight to them. The shape and materials used would have given them a 30% advantage over other fighters against the British radar system, allowing them to get many kilometers closer without being detected. Add that with the huge speed advantage it had over prop planes and you would have cut the warning time from something like 13-16 minutes to about 5 or 6 minutes, meaning that fighters would have much less time to get in the air and gain altitude by the time the 229 was overhead. It would have annihilated them, especially in combination with the ME-262. Had the Germans been able to develop this tech faster as well as continue their raiding of factories instead of population centers, they would have potentially taken them out of the war.    
   
 Then you have Operation Sea Lion, of which probably wouldn't have done so well, but that's another story entirely...    
   
I love the &quot;what if&quot; scenarios of WWII. If the Germans had done things differently, they really could have won, but only if victory was in the first few years of fighting. They couldn't carry on a sustained fight against major powers for more than a few years.
Dude, they actually had this thing flying. It crashed because of the shoddy engines that Germany had at the time, but this thing, had it reached full-scale production when the Germans were attacking England, would have really taken the fight to them. The shape and materials used would have given them a 30% advantage over other fighters against the British radar system, allowing them to get many kilometers closer without being detected. Add that with the huge speed advantage it had over prop planes and you would have cut the warning time from something like 13-16 minutes to about 5 or 6 minutes, meaning that fighters would have much less time to get in the air and gain altitude by the time the 229 was overhead. It would have annihilated them, especially in combination with the ME-262. Had the Germans been able to develop this tech faster as well as continue their raiding of factories instead of population centers, they would have potentially taken them out of the war.

Then you have Operation Sea Lion, of which probably wouldn't have done so well, but that's another story entirely...

I love the "what if" scenarios of WWII. If the Germans had done things differently, they really could have won, but only if victory was in the first few years of fighting. They couldn't carry on a sustained fight against major powers for more than a few years.
User avatar #325 to #151 - greenbob (06/07/2014) [-]
Man, exactly. That is the reason why i love the story of New order so much, it shows that if things would go in german's favor, thing would be much different. Except the Da'at yichud stuff. That's something completely else.
Hell, i would pay to see 2-29 fly. Imagine if someone would build it, and then, got in touch with a museum or something and ran a competition against the fighters of the time on some airfield.

That would be awesome.
User avatar #315 to #294 - lunarmage (06/07/2014) [-]
Fruit **** Aircraft
User avatar #335 to #315 - oubliette (06/08/2014) [-]
HP Feminism Freedom
#287 - skumbaner (06/07/2014) [-]
The comp was 			****
The comp was ****
#262 - flyingvivo (06/07/2014) [-]
How can you be so ridiculously incorrect about the Me 262?
They made 1430 of them ffs and they did see service. The picture on the left was taken by a P-51 Mustang as it was shooting down a 262.
#190 - rectophobia ONLINE (06/07/2014) [-]
You missed the most important fact: Hilter did nothing wrong
#70 - zomaru ONLINE (06/06/2014) [-]
The Tiger, A true Heavy tank in its class.
The Tiger, A true Heavy tank in its class.
User avatar #79 to #70 - inconspicuousguy (06/06/2014) [-]
Thats a Tiger (P) my friend.
User avatar #87 to #79 - zomaru ONLINE (06/06/2014) [-]
Still a Tiger, just a stronger one.
User avatar #152 to #87 - cirruss (06/07/2014) [-]
want to see a real tiger P?

Step 1 make a campfire

congratulations you have a Tiger P!
User avatar #274 to #152 - zomaru ONLINE (06/07/2014) [-]
So they tended to get stuck easily, overheat allot, and breakdown often. When they actual worked they were a monster.
User avatar #276 to #274 - cirruss (06/07/2014) [-]
As much as I love the Tiger P and swear it was the best Tiger,it still had quite a bit of problems if it didn't overheat,breakdown,or get stuck easily.

It was heavy as all hell and would just sink into the ground on anything but concrete roads.

Only 1 Tiger P was used at all and it was a commanders tank only.
User avatar #277 to #276 - zomaru ONLINE (06/07/2014) [-]
Ok, When IT actually worked.
User avatar #278 to #277 - cirruss (06/07/2014) [-]
IF it could work.
User avatar #279 to #278 - zomaru ONLINE (06/07/2014) [-]
Alright, can we just agree the germans were Excellent at planning things, not building them.
User avatar #280 to #279 - cirruss (06/07/2014) [-]
they were good at building things too. just not electric engines.
User avatar #143 to #87 - satrenkotheone (06/07/2014) [-]
Dunno if more failures=stronger.
User avatar #275 to #143 - zomaru ONLINE (06/07/2014) [-]
Well, it was just a prototype.
#111 to #87 - John Cena (06/06/2014) [-]
but its ugly as ****
User avatar #61 - roninneko (06/06/2014) [-]
That bit on the "MP-44" is almost 70% wrong.

The rifle was designed in 1941 and originally presented to Hitler as a possible weapon to replace the K-98, given that most engagements seemed to be taking place well inside 300yds which made volume of fire more important than having a long range.

Unfortunately for the German military, Hitler was a traditionalist who preferred the "glory day" K-98 and believed other weapons were unfit for the soldiers of the Reich; he quickly vetoed the project. His generals, on the other hand, were so impressed with the design's tactical flexibility that they decided to produce and distribute it without the Fuhrer's permission. The resulting weapon was designated the "MP-43" - "MP" being the designation given to submachine guns - and issued in select numbers to certain divisions of the Wehrmacht on the Eastern Front.

When Hitler visited these units to inspect them and ask if they wanted for anything, he was consistently asked to provide more of a weapon he had specifically vetoed, yet had mysteriously appeared all along the Eastern Front. As the war grew more desperate for the Nazis in 1944, Hitler finally caved: the "MP-43" was re-named the "StG-44" or "SturmGewehr Model 1944", becoming the first assault rifle in the world to see extensive frontline service. It was too late to save the war, however, but did become the basis for the operating mechanism behind the Heckler-Koch G-3 battle rifle and the MP-5 submachine gun.

Oh and, by the way, the AK-47 and StG-44 share almost nothing in common except for the general concept: select-fire, medium-power, medium-range. The StG-44 was a tilting-bolt action, while the AK-47 is a rotating-bolt action; each design requires radically different internal designs to work properly. The only two features they have in common are that the gas block is above the barrel, and that both are piston-driven actions as opposed to the direct-impingement later favoured by Americans with the M16 rifle.
User avatar #62 to #61 - topheavymonkeyy (06/06/2014) [-]
Fair enough. Thanks
#65 to #62 - roninneko (06/06/2014) [-]
Only too happy to let those wasted hours studying weapons designs for my history degree pay off SOMEhow.   
   
&gt;mfw I will never hold nor fire either of those historic designs because I live in 			*******		 Canada
Only too happy to let those wasted hours studying weapons designs for my history degree pay off SOMEhow.

>mfw I will never hold nor fire either of those historic designs because I live in ******* Canada
#67 to #65 - topheavymonkeyy (06/06/2014) [-]
YFW.   
   
I thank you for the feedback and thanks for teaching me something ~&lt;3
YFW.

I thank you for the feedback and thanks for teaching me something ~<3
#69 to #67 - roninneko (06/06/2014) [-]
And than YOU for that perfect .gif I can use any time I am feeling the hole left by all tha beautiful guns I will never have.
And than YOU for that perfect .gif I can use any time I am feeling the hole left by all tha beautiful guns I will never have.
#71 to #69 - topheavymonkeyy (06/06/2014) [-]
MFW i have a classic Gewehr 41
MFW i have a classic Gewehr 41
#82 to #71 - roninneko (06/06/2014) [-]
I've got a few Lee-Enfield Mk. IVs and Mk. Vs that will probably pass to me when my dad kicks it. That keeps me going.
I've got a few Lee-Enfield Mk. IVs and Mk. Vs that will probably pass to me when my dad kicks it. That keeps me going.
User avatar #84 to #82 - topheavymonkeyy (06/06/2014) [-]
I'd gladly send you my old PP-206
User avatar #86 to #84 - roninneko (06/06/2014) [-]
Not actually familiar with that model...
#88 to #86 - topheavymonkeyy (06/06/2014) [-]
Inb4 walther p38

It's a modified modern version that shoots 206cal rounds (yes, I know it sounds ******* stupid)
User avatar #89 to #88 - roninneko (06/06/2014) [-]
I'm in Canada, so that might complicate things... wish I could CC legally here...
User avatar #91 to #89 - topheavymonkeyy (06/06/2014) [-]
Move to PA. Nice place there and you can CC
User avatar #92 to #91 - roninneko (06/06/2014) [-]
I would, if I weren't finishing up my degree here in the hopes of becoming bacon. If I ever win the lottery, though, I know where true freedom lives.
User avatar #93 to #92 - topheavymonkeyy (06/06/2014) [-]
Russia.
User avatar #95 to #93 - roninneko (06/06/2014) [-]
Man, we hate Russia! Stealin' our ice an' **** !
User avatar #96 to #95 - topheavymonkeyy (06/06/2014) [-]
don't say that to their face.
User avatar #98 to #96 - roninneko (06/06/2014) [-]
We don't have to; we steal it back every time our national teams play hockey.
User avatar #104 to #101 - roninneko (06/06/2014) [-]
We've been kicking their asses in revenge every time Team Canada and Team Russia face off since 1972.

That's right: we've kicked more Bolshevik asses than YOU have!
User avatar #107 to #104 - topheavymonkeyy (06/06/2014) [-]
I can't reply to the last comment, and bitches
#106 to #105 - roninneko (06/06/2014) [-]
And we STILL get SKSs, SVT-40s, Nuggets, and all the ammo we can carry from them for less than you do.
#150 to #65 - John Cena (06/07/2014) [-]
you can get automatics in australia and the us with some hassling from the feds
User avatar #234 to #150 - roninneko (06/07/2014) [-]
... In Ausfalia? SERIOUSLY? THE ******* 'ROOS CAN HAVE THEM?

... I almost want to cry now. You can't have them here unless they're grandfathered to you, or you have a manufacturer's license.
User avatar #135 to #61 - gmanofwonder (06/07/2014) [-]
Indeed however it's a good thing to remember that the AK-47 was designed based loosely on the STG-44.

MIkhail Kalashnikov said so himself.

It was considered the MP-44. MP stands for "Machine Pistol" Basically. It was one of the ways they hid the weapon, because when Hitler would see documents, he would simply see "Machine Pistol" And he would believe they didn't create an assault rifle.
The proper name probably would be the same as the MG-42 but with 44, designating the year.



As, MG stands for Machinegewehr, and gewehr is rifle. Assault Rifle, "Machine Rifle" so, Machine Gewehr 44.


This is from a formally educated student of the german language, WWII, a mother who's german, and a nut of the military channel.

User avatar #144 to #135 - satrenkotheone (06/07/2014) [-]
This is just nitpicking but I do believe it was renamed Stg-44 or Stuhrmgewehr 44 (translating into Assault Rifle or Strorm Rifle). Later on.
User avatar #148 to #144 - gmanofwonder (06/07/2014) [-]
Oh you're absolutely right. I wasn't referring to that really. But yeah, you're absolutely correct.
User avatar #149 to #148 - satrenkotheone (06/07/2014) [-]
Thanks for confirming that. I'm kind of tipsy and going off memory. I know the MP-40 was a great success and close combat weapon but the Stg-44 was introduced as a close to medium range weapon.(due to it's relatively slow automatic fire you could use it as a rifle from what I understand) and performed excellent. And yeah Hitler didn't like it until battle reports.
#128 - sephirothpwnz (06/07/2014) [-]
Wrong about the MP44's and ME-262's btw jus saying. Hitler actually didn't like the mp-44 at all because "it didn't look nice" so the designer commissioned it any way Hitler only found out when his commanders were asking for more of them. He then had the designer executed after ordering them to be entered into mass production.

The ME-262 Did see active combat. It engaged american B-17's and P-51 mustangs over germany. The bombs portion is correct, however they didn't need to redesign the entire thing. it was just slow enough because of the bombs for P-51's to successfully engage the ME-262.

The Tiger H/I isn't the MOST successful tank in terms of kill/death ratio, The Abrahms tank has that due to no abrahms tank ever being knocked out due to enemy fire. The Tiger I is however arguably the most famous tank of all time.
User avatar #132 to #128 - gmanofwonder (06/07/2014) [-]
Okay, considering WWII is my favorite subject,

just letting you know. This is why the MP44's depiction is incorrect in this picture.

First, it was the first assault rifle ever produced. What originally happened was Hitler was presented the idea of a weapon with the automatic capability of an SMG but with the accuracy and versatility of a rifle, allowing for short to mid range combat capability. He at first denied this, as he was a soldier during WW1 and had his own opinions to what was needed. However, it was decided to create the weapon anyways.

The weapon was then created and after testing with small amounts of soldiers so Hitler wouldn't notice, and noticing the great results of the weapon, the weapon was presented to Hitler again, with the research they had found. Hitler was actually very impressed and agreed completely, thus renamed the MP44 (Machine Pistol 1944) into the STG-44. This stands for Strumgewehr 1944, or basically, "Storm Rifle."

That's the actual fact about that gun.
The people were not executed for creating the gun.

This is all from The Military Channel in their preview of the weapon from the show, "Top Ten: Assault Rifles"
#159 to #132 - snoopdoge (06/07/2014) [-]
"It was the first assault rifle ever produced" Highly debatable, depending on on the definition of "assault rifle". The Federov Avtomat en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fedorov_Avtomat and 8mm Ribeyrolle en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ribeyrolle_1918_automatic_carbine seem to fit the bill quite nicely.
User avatar #273 to #159 - gmanofwonder (06/07/2014) [-]
Both of these are not even considered an "assault rifle" from the sources you just gave. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StG_44 This however agrees to the point that it is the first.

Specifically, the Avtomat was still just a rifle since it wasn't created to be useful at short ranges, and the Ribeyrolle was considered still a sub machine gun, with a larger range than usual. Not a recommended range however.
User avatar #209 to #159 - trostell (06/07/2014) [-]
The definition of an assault rifle is an automatic weapon firing an intermediate rifle-type cartridge that is operated by a single soldier. An automatic weapon with a full-sized rifle cartridge is a battle rifle, like the BAR, or AVT-40. By these definitions, weapons like the FN Mk-17 SCAR-H, the H&K G3, and the M14 are all battle rifles, as they use full-sized rounds.
#316 to #209 - snoopdoge (06/07/2014) [-]
one variant of the federov avtomat used a 6.5mm intermediate round less powerful than the 6.5 arisaka.
#188 to #159 - John Cena (06/07/2014) [-]
The Freaking term ASSAULT RIFLE Comes from the STG44 there was no such term before that
User avatar #185 to #159 - konradkurze (06/07/2014) [-]
those are small calibre aka submachineguns not assault rifles
#133 to #128 - John Cena (06/07/2014) [-]
More about the MP44, it is most certainly not the precursor to the AK-47. The MP44 used a roller-delayed blowback action most widely known for its use in many Heckler & Koch (a German arms company) firearms such as the MP5 sub machine gun and G3 series rifles.

The AK-47 utilizes a long-stroke piston action, and even that rifle was designed after the USSR mass produced the SKS, another semi-automatic magazine-fed rifle that utilizes a tilting breechblock, the locking mechanism used in the Czech VZ58 and FAL pattern rifles.
#153 to #133 - snoopdoge (06/07/2014) [-]
correction: roller delayed blowback was used in Stg-45. Stg-44 used long stroke (gas piston) tilting breechblock. (ak 47 used long stroke rotating bolt, like m1 garand)
#158 to #128 - theodin (06/07/2014) [-]
The Abrams has indeed bean knocked out under fire. here is a pic of a destroyed USMC M1A1 Abrams in front of a Fedayeen camp just outside of Jaman Al Juburi, Iraq in April 2003. from Wikipedia
User avatar #172 to #158 - Cheadder (06/07/2014) [-]
Also having to toss my **** in on the Abrams debate. The Abrams has never been taken out by tank vs tank, but thats because it has not gone toe to toe with anything that is near equal terms for armor, firepower, speed, etc..etc.. It has been knocked out by ied and other crap and one was reported to have taken some heavy fire but the ke rounds but the rounds dident penetrated but still had to be repaired heavily but was still operational.
User avatar #184 to #172 - konradkurze (06/07/2014) [-]
of course its never gone face to face with an equal...the arabs only have the old russian tanks from the 80's and earlier....

now put a modern russian T95 up against an abrams...bye bye abrams
#170 to #158 - John Cena (06/07/2014) [-]
The Abrams has never been knocked out from enemy fire. The only times that Abrams tanks have been taken out of combat are from friendly fire and from crews scuttling them to prevent capture.

The "no Abrams destroyed" thing comes from every single Abrams chassis having been recovered, repaired, and refitted so that there have technically been no lost chassis.
User avatar #164 to #158 - syrenthra ONLINE (06/07/2014) [-]
One of like , 6 that have been destroyed
User avatar #189 to #128 - Shramin (06/07/2014) [-]
what? than what was the MKb 42? Imagionary precursor to the STG 44 by a full year?
User avatar #204 to #128 - trostell (06/07/2014) [-]
Actually, various models of Abrams tank have been knocked out or outright destroyed in combat. However, in terms of survivability, the British hold the title of best tank, as their current MBT has only ever lost one tank, due to friendly fire.
User avatar #243 - metalmind (06/07/2014) [-]
The Messerschmitt 262 actually flew, I know that, my Grandfather flew one of them, before becoming an instructor in the Luftwaffe.
#252 - golobalpandemic (06/07/2014) [-]
&quot;naxi&quot;
"naxi"
User avatar #254 to #252 - caseh (06/07/2014) [-]
You God damn Grammer Naxi
#231 - John Cena (06/07/2014) [-]
A couple of problems with this:

1. The AK-47 wasn't based on the StG-44 - they used completely different mechanisms, and Mikhail Kalashnikov didn't even know that the StG-44 existed when he designed the AK-47.

2. The Me-262 was NOT delayed by Hitler's wanting it to be a bomber. What ACTUALLY delayed it was a multitude of factors all having to do with its engines. Germany's first jet flew in 1939, but development was given a low priority since existing designs were seen as adequate. This, combined with a lack of metals required to build an engine capable of withstanding the kind of heat that jet propulsion produces, meant that although the Me-262 first flew in mid-1942, it never entered service until mid-1944, and even then there weren't enough of them to make a difference.
User avatar #284 to #231 - bjerneironbeard (06/07/2014) [-]
And Hermann Göring, commander of the Luftwaffe considered planes without propellers as improper and inferior planes and that no proud german should use inferior machines.
#134 - UnaOWNED (06/07/2014) [-]
I know other people have pointed this out, but.. The ME-262 did see combat, but Hitler DID slow down the process to the point where it didn't matter if they did have the 262. If he didn't DO that, they'd have had Jet Fighters towards the end of 1944, and that war would've gone a lot differently.

Air superiority is best superiority.

Picture related. It's what America would've said to the rest of the Allies if the ME-262 was being used constantly against B-17's and P51 Mustangs for a year or two, rather than the last few months of the war.
#145 to #134 - John Cena (06/07/2014) [-]
In turn, the US would have ramped up their R&D on their own jet propulsion projects. Bell XP83, McDonnell FH Phantom, etc. - The Phantom did see combat at the very end of the war in the Pacific theater. Lockheed P-80 is another one. These aircraft started development in 1943. Necessity is the mother of invention, as the saying goes, which is precisely what lead to the P-51 Mustang. The bombers needed escorts with a longer range. If the Germans were showing success with jets, it only stands to reason they would have been answered with allied jets.
User avatar #146 to #145 - UnaOWNED (06/07/2014) [-]
I don't doubt it at all. The Shooting Star would've taken over the R&D and their funds to get it ramped out to replace the P-51, no doubt. But it'd certainly give the Germans an upper hand, considering German Fighter pilots were worlds away in skill compared to Americans, not taking anything away from the American pilots, but there's a reason the first 50-75 Aces of World War 2 are German.
#199 to #146 - lordsnow (06/07/2014) [-]
Actually I read a very interesting article in a military history magazine on this. What it essentially said is that WWII kill tallies for ALL nations were exaggerated, with Germany being one of the worst. They proved this by comparing the kills each pilot in a squadron claimed in a sortie versus the number of planes the other nation recorded as lost in the same sortie. Literally every nation is shown to have exaggerated for different reasons. Proving one nation or the other's superiority of pilots and aircraft was a factor, as was moral for Germany and Japan as they began to lose territory. They could parade these legendary pilots around as heroes so sometimes the government itself would exaggerate kill counts. Another factor was that sometimes what a pilot considered a "kill" was actually only damaging an enemy plane that was able to return home. Additionally kills could be attributed inaccurately, like 2 pilots claiming credit for a single kill because both thought THEY hit it, and kills by ground defenses that were mistakenly claimed by pilots. Also lets be honest ego plays into it, you want to be known as a good pilot and if you go into a squadron where record keeping is lax or even ignored you can claim kills you never got. The article also pointed out that in several instances German or Japanese pilots (who generally were considered the best due to extremely high kill tallies) definitely did outright lie at times, by pointing out that they would claim more kills in an attack than there were enemy planes total. Another interesting example was when the Americans shot down the bomber carrying Japanese commander Yamamoto; several of the P-38 pilots claimed to have done it, some creating quite bitter rivalries and each constantly trying to gain legitimacy over the others. So there's a nice story for you.
#169 to #146 - John Cena (06/07/2014) [-]
The reason for this is that those kill tallies were including their experience in the Spanish Civil War where the majority of the Luftwaffe got its fighter experience while it was essentially on load to Francisco Franco. Also most German aces didn't live to see the end of the war and they were only superior to Allied pilots in terms of numbers, not actual skill. The Luftwaffe in the beginning of the war was using the best planes ever, by the end of the war they had lost the tech edge a while ago.

Even if the jets had been done earlier it wouldn't have mattered because the US and UK had been raping the **** out of Germany's manufacturing capabilities. They wouldn't have been able to retool their remaining factories for mass jet production and still protected their skies with their 109/190 aircraft.

Say what you want about Ally skill, it was their production capabilities that won the war because they crippled Germany's.
User avatar #147 to #146 - UnaOWNED (06/07/2014) [-]
In the Wikipedia listings, anyways, however accurate those are.
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