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Gaben, Our Savior. Turns out I forgot to add in the opening post: MODs and Steam (self.gaming) submitted 14 hours ago by GabeNewellBellevue On Thursday I was fl
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Gaben, Our Savior. Turns out I forgot to add in the opening post: MODs and Steam (self.gaming) submitted 14 hours ago by GabeNewellBellevue On Thursday I was fl

Turns out I forgot to add in the opening post:

MODs and Steam (self.gaming)
submitted 14 hours ago by GabeNewellBellevue

On Thursday I was flying back from LA. When I landed, I had 3,500 new messages. Hmmm. Looks like we did something to piss off the Internet.
Yesterday I was distracted as I had to see my surgeon about a blister in my eye (#FuchsDystrophySucks), but I got some background on the paid mods issues.
So here I am, probably a day late, to make sure that if people are pissed off, they are at least pissed off for the right reasons.

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User avatar #4 - fatbutler (04/26/2015) [-]
I have bad news for you guys. You do realize what this means, right?

If this is truly what happened, if the CEOs of Valve tried to pull this **** while Gabe was gone...

That means once Gabe is gone for good, they'll try it again.

Enjoy this tiny victory while you can, my friends. This is merely a precursor to a looming shade, ready to sweep in and cover us in the darkness we retaliated so hard against.
User avatar #13 to #4 - bartemaeus (04/26/2015) [-]
Gabe was indisposed for some minor eye surgery. This program has been in the works for months. He was definitely around to greenlight this thing.
#46 to #13 - anon (04/27/2015) [-]
Gabe owns 51% of Valve as well. Anything like this that would go under his nose would be ripe with issue. He knew full well what was happening, as is made evident if you read the entire AMA. Which OP conveniently left out large, and very important fractions of.
User avatar #55 to #46 - Dragonchampion [OP]ONLINE (04/28/2015) [-]
I didn't mean to at all. I did a search for all of the posts made by him.
User avatar #18 - armwulf (04/26/2015) [-]
This legitimately addresses my concerns in a fair and honest way.
I'm satisfied with this.
User avatar #24 to #18 - iamnuff (04/26/2015) [-]
It's Gabe, what did you expect?

He's a pretty reasonable guy, all things considered.

It's not he's EA or something.

If they pulled some **** like this, and people were up in arms about it, they'd just ignore it and continue, never bothering to answer questions or address concerns at all.
User avatar #25 to #24 - armwulf (04/26/2015) [-]
Gabe's an alright guy, but it is still a company motivated by money. I'd call them Lawful Neutral.
User avatar #26 to #25 - iamnuff (04/26/2015) [-]
yeah, but lawful neutral means he cares about what the customers think because his business is reliant on customers actually liking him. If steam drops out of favour it could be replaced by something else that provides the same service, because the games you buy on Steam aren't actually owned by Steam.


EA, on the other hand, is lawful evil, because they know that they can **** up as much as they want, and they'll still get money pouring in, because they actually own all of the brands that they are whoring out. If you want those games, you NEED to give your money to EA, regardless of how much you hate their business practices.
User avatar #27 to #26 - armwulf (04/26/2015) [-]
EA is more a company of chaotic something run by some lawful evil.
Now UBISOFT, Ubisoft is what you just described.
EA is just kind of... sad, at this point. They're trying to be better but just can't.
User avatar #28 to #27 - iamnuff (04/26/2015) [-]
I was actually thinking about how I love farcry and assassins creed, but hate the marketing decisions that their company makes.

So Yeah, I was literally talking about Ubisoft, I just got the names mixed up.


on that note: how do you feel about Assassins Creed China: Wasted opportunities edition?
User avatar #29 to #28 - armwulf (04/26/2015) [-]
I stopped playing the assassins creed series. Just- stopped outright. Better things to play.
UBISOFT! Play as white guy killing many people in an "Open world" environment with the same recycled animations and sometimes assets!
User avatar #30 to #29 - iamnuff (04/27/2015) [-]
that's why China was going to be the best thing ever.

i don't really see the problem with playing as a White guy, so long as he has personality and character of his own.

That said, Assassins Creed of all things doesn't have much problem with generic White protagonists.

Altair was Syrian and had an awesome accent
Ezio was italian, and had an awesome accent.
Conner was Native (half native, but brought up by his mother's people)
Edward Kenway was an awesome welsh pirate.

Sure, none of the protagonists of the main games are black (or women) but there's DLC for Black Flag where you play as an escaped slave, and there was that one vita game (later ported to ps3?) where you played as a noblewoman.

Assassins creed is one game that you can't accuse of having generic characters.

I don't know about unity though, never played it. characters were french but I hear they all sounded english.

Assassins Creed China though...

Playing as a Chinese Woman would have been amazing.
Both the character and the setting would have been exotic, and it would be the first non-portable game where you play as a woman.
It would have been a great excuse to come up with new combat animations too. Add a martial arts flair to the sword-fighting. Not to mention entirely new weapons like the blowpipe.

Instead it turned out to be a 2D sidescroller.

Technically everything I just mentioned is still in the game, but comparing a 2d sidescroller game to a full 3d open world triple A title...

It's like comparing a theme park with a picture of a theme park.

There's only so much content you can stick in a game like that.

We still have Assassins Creed Victory for a main game, but that's set in victorian England, so the protagonist there is going to be the blandest, whitest dude possible.
#1 - clavatninenine (04/26/2015) [-]
I HAVE COMMITTED BLASPHEMY, MY LORD!

I was led astray, I was decieved. I cursed you, branded you a betrayer, a false god. But I was the only betrayer...with my heresy I betrayed you Gaben. And yet you remain resolute, you remain our true god! You shall lead us back on the path to redemption! You shall bring us back to the light!

PRAISE BE HOLY GABEN, OUR LORD AND SAVIOR! MAY HE CRADLE OUR WALLETS WITH LOVE AND COMPASSION, MAY HE CONTINUE TO PROVIDE US WITH A SANCTUARY HERE IN THE LAST BASTION OF TRUE GAMING! MAY HEY REMAIN HERE FOREVER! LONG LIVE GABEN!
User avatar #50 to #1 - jedimage (04/27/2015) [-]
That kind of worship is what leads to people losing their **** this badly when things start to go in a way they don't expect. Better for people to completely stop it if you ask me I'm aware that it is also part of a joke but sometimes I feel that isn't just the case
#19 to #1 - madmalkavian (04/26/2015) [-]
What he is actually doing is just ************ , honestly. I love Steam too but his answers are crap. www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/33uxz0/please_do_not_do_a_180_on_your_opinion_because_of/cqopxts
User avatar #52 to #19 - thesuperxl (04/27/2015) [-]
Yup. Look at all these funnyjunk babbies not realising corporate doublespeak with the purpose of getting good PR again.
#31 - johnathon (04/27/2015) [-]
This is good and bad
I still have some respect for the man after this but he have definitely lost some points with me. Way to many political answers here for my liking, he dodged and deflected a lot of questions and at best gave soft answers to many of them (except for the deletion of posts and discussions, he came down hard on that, which is good)

But I can't help but think the this system of paying for mods is still, at best, idiotic. a direct donation link would still be a much better idea than being required to pay for them, and even with this "Pay what you want" option the Lion's Share is still going to the steam meaning that if the modder does choose to monetize their work that have charge a somewhat high price(as far as micro-transactions go) just to see any meaningful earnings, and that is only after the the mod in question has made at least 100$, so what happens if it only makes 99$? does valve just keep that? It's ridiculous.
User avatar #56 to #31 - Dragonchampion [OP]ONLINE (04/28/2015) [-]
My most recent post reveals... we won. It's been pulled from steam.
#2 - zepplinfailure (04/26/2015) [-]
I still don't get the rage about this, considering it was merely an option from mod devs and people aren't really abusing it yet.

I get concern, as people have abused some of valve's ideas before (greenlight, early access etc), but the pure vitriol from people confuses me, considering everyone from the start pretty much knew that paid mods weren't mandatory, that is, making the mods pay-to-use was not going to be enforced.

I have my doubts about the system myself, because for the most part I think an in-page donate button would be better than a pay-wall, but I can see where some of the creators of these large overhaul mods liking the idea of being paid for their work straight up through purchase.

I think the biggest problem with this idea isn't what valve has in themselves done, but instead in the opportunity for rampant abuse, as seen in previous endeavours mentioned above.

TL;DR Its a decent idea from a good place I think, but other people are probably going to **** it up.

I honestly want to hear some reasoning by some of the more....avid detractors of this idea.

User avatar #33 to #2 - theshinypen (04/27/2015) [-]
Yo here i am. My only concern for this whole thing is that the modding community was everyone working with everyone to create greatness. Now that money is involved? Well there are millions of examples of that destroying great things.
User avatar #51 to #2 - sirformidio (04/27/2015) [-]
>Not really abusing it
Not quite. A good collection of people took content that wasn't theirs and put it on the workshop, selling it for their own profit.
#3 to #2 - anon (04/26/2015) [-]
it wasnt really an option. once published, it could be taken over and forcefully sold for revenue, with no opportunity apart from getting a lawyer to have it taken down.
#20 to #2 - gordini (04/26/2015) [-]
You know why it, and early access/greenlight/etc., doesn't work? Valve has this idea that the community should curate content. While noble, it's also shooting yourself in the foot because the PC/Steam community are a bunch of brigading ********* , and I mean that in the nicest possible way. But I would never trust people who flip flop opinions like a light switch to ever say what should or shouldn't be on a storefront.
User avatar #37 - Benry (04/27/2015) [-]
He didn't actually address any concerns, he just said "Oh yeah, that's something alright."
And the whole thing about Valve not being greedy because they lost money? They lost money because they were greedy and everyone called them on their ******** .
#7 - pleasejustdie (04/26/2015) [-]
This isn't GabeN coming out in support of us. He is using his image to quell discontent with decisions that his company (In cooperation with Bethesda) have made. This is not him saying that the system may be removed. This is him saying that minor changes may be made. It's here for good unless we do something about it.
User avatar #14 to #7 - cuntism (04/26/2015) [-]
It's here for good. That's not up for debate. It's an amazing system and when all the kinks are worked out, and more importantly, retarded idiots who have no idea how the world works stop being babies and get used to it, then it'll revolutionize the way mods work
User avatar #57 to #14 - notwalkingwaffles (04/28/2015) [-]
I'm sorry, I couldn't hear you over the sound of the feature being taken off Steam.
It'll probably return in a different form though.
User avatar #58 to #57 - cuntism (04/28/2015) [-]
Yeah guess I should have lowered my expectations regarding the rationality of young people, and just accepted that they're all a bunch of whiny spoilt ******** .

Ruined a great thing for so many people because they have gotten used to this whole "do everything my way give everything to me and don't you dare question my viewpoints" ******** .

I can't wait for them to get out into the real world and for them to be crushed
#59 to #58 - painismysaviour (04/28/2015) [-]
Staying true to your username I see.
User avatar #60 to #59 - cuntism (04/28/2015) [-]
It doesn't mean what you think it means
User avatar #21 to #7 - notwalkingwaffles (04/26/2015) [-]
What's worse, he refuses to address whether or not it's reasonable to snatch 75 %, he talks about how good it is to check and test, and yet we know from history that they do neither, he states that it will take a lot of coding to do so, but maybe one should ******* WAIT UNTIL ONE CAN MANAGE ONE'S SERVICE BEFORE ONE PUTS IT ON THE MARKET!
#34 to #21 - painismysaviour (04/27/2015) [-]
Industry standard is 70% of price goes to content creators (App Store, Google Play, certain parts of Amazon's digital stores, regular Steam games (except when publishers, etc are involved)). Gabe is saying in the AMA that Bethesda is the one who set the 45/25 split of the remaining 70% and it looks like it's up to them to change it. Other participants in this program can set a 60/10 percent split.

I think it's unreasonable to expect game devs/publishers to let others profit directly off their game without taking a bit, but I don't think 45/25 is anything close to the right split for it.
User avatar #53 to #34 - notwalkingwaffles (04/27/2015) [-]
Agreed. I have recently had my opinion put in doubt about this concept.
One of my friends proposed a scenario:
Say a musician writse a ****** song that promises to be long, but ends halfway 50 % of the time, and then one allows people to write over it, adding to it, remix it etc, as long as it's non-profit.
Then say the guy wants to make a profit off it.
Wouldn't it be fair to want a cut, seeing as how one made the original?

However, what's easy to agree on is, as you say, that the percentages are ****** .
#61 to #53 - painismysaviour (04/28/2015) [-]
Yup, pretty much my thoughts on the topic. Another way to look at it is outside just Bethesda/Skyrim and to consider the perspective of other games. If a company can make a profit from mods, I think they'll shift from just allowing mods and turning the other cheek, to actively fostering mod development and creating better tools and resources for modders. Maybe some pubs/devs might include mod support where they might not have seen the return on their investment (on making tools) before.

It's a complicated problem, and I think Valve missed the shot this time with the implementation but hopefully they listen to feedback and try again.
User avatar #54 to #53 - notwalkingwaffles (04/27/2015) [-]
And with "the guy" I mean the guy who remixes it.
#38 - verycoolcat (04/27/2015) [-]
This made me think of this...
#6 - anon (04/26/2015) [-]
Typical political answers, he agrees with everything and thinks they have great ideas, but things won't change where matters. And Sky rim, really?
User avatar #15 to #6 - cuntism (04/26/2015) [-]
He was using a phone to reply, it's auto correct
User avatar #8 to #6 - xxlilxxdz (04/26/2015) [-]
ikr sky rim ******* casuals am i right
not only did he agree with them, he also granted some of their requests.
#9 to #8 - anon (04/26/2015) [-]
He gave them vague promises, nothing more.
User avatar #10 to #9 - xxlilxxdz (04/26/2015) [-]
but he did actually lift bans and explain some major questions that they had
#11 to #10 - anon (04/26/2015) [-]
>>#7, I pretty much agree with this guy, what he did was nothing.
User avatar #12 to #11 - xxlilxxdz (04/26/2015) [-]
im fine with payed mods. the pay what you want system is pretty cool but i dont like the cuts. wasnt nexus mods allowed to have mods for skyrim anyway?
User avatar #22 to #12 - alfonshister (04/26/2015) [-]
those who are unhappy and just want to complain usually are the loudest of people.
User avatar #45 - katothepotato (04/27/2015) [-]
Wow nice damage control, if I didn't know any better, I would think Gabe is a politician.
#39 - chilloutdude (04/27/2015) [-]
Well when you think about it, steams system doesn't sound all that bad (especially with the button), the real issue is that Bethesda set their share at 75%, which is sum ******** .
not saying that a new system was needed.
User avatar #42 to #39 - leonhardt (04/27/2015) [-]
Actually Bethesda gets 45% and Valve gets 30%

Still 25% to the workers, though, which is big ******** .
User avatar #43 to #42 - chilloutdude (04/27/2015) [-]
Oh okay, thats pretty high for both, I'd say at most 10% to each of them, considering they have nothing invested in each individual mod
User avatar #16 - LaBarata (04/26/2015) [-]
Wow, he is so full of **** .
#17 to #16 - anon (04/26/2015) [-]
that's why he's so fat
#5 - anon (04/26/2015) [-]
false god, don't believe his PR ******** .... you are just a cow that needs to be milked for every last cent
#48 - jedimage (04/27/2015) [-]
So in two days, they got a revenue of $10000, so $5000 in a day.
Annually they will still be able something like 5 million dollars a year.

Found this pic browsing /v/, it seems that they apparently have planned this since 2012 though this is not present in their current EULA

Valve has also been only giving up 25% for item sales from TF2 for a long time too Does this mean that this has been in the works for years?
User avatar #47 - ihatecarltonbanks (04/27/2015) [-]
Actually he has been gone about two weeks from what i saw. This has been in the works for quite a few months I can promise. The first hint was about two months ago when they removed the file size limit for mods on the workshop. I would bet my life savings they removed it because they were planning the whole paid mods business. not to mention one of the developers for the paid mods has mentioned that valve approached him about a month and a half ago about creating a paid mod.
User avatar #44 - theguywhoaskswhy (04/27/2015) [-]
Guys. Shut the **** up and let the man work. If you have an issue, open up a new thread, get all those issues out and deliver them in one great lump sum.
Otherwise he'll have to stop every 15 minutes to check and see if there's more **** his staff ****** up that he needs to fix.
User avatar #41 - fortunesnowman ONLINE (04/27/2015) [-]
I like this comment section... this is a nice ******* comment section. It's the only one of about twenty from the start of the front page that's been even remotely even in opinions.

Personally and a warning that this is very pro-steam so feel free to tune out and skip past this comment if you don't care I point to the whole "short-term profits, long-term crying" thing. As every other comment section has made me very much aware, Valve's not new at this and should know better. That being said, they've also been going at this more than long enough to know better. Assuming they've up and decided to be greedy with a system like this for the evulz after so many years of knowing and setting the staple for how this sort of thing works... well... let's be honest, that's kind of stupid. Even if they WERE being horrendously greedy, they're at the very least smart enough to be horrendously greedy in a less retarded way. If Valve wanted to be horrendously greedy, they'd do something like make ridiculously popular giant sale events several times a year to make people spend a ton more money than they thought they... oh. Right. This is why I don't browse the Steam store without a target game in mind anymore.

Now I know, Valve isn't perfect. Steam sure as hell isn't perfect. But you can tell their hearts are in the right place, and to be honest... it feels like they're really assuming that people are a lot better than they really are. And that's not my belief, that sounds stupid to be honest to look at this company like it's some retarded starry-eyed child with dreams of optimism, but look at this **** and tell me that's not what it feels like. Paying for mods? Kinda **** , unless the modders themselves are reasonable and people don't steal them- oh whoopsie. Early access? Well that seems kinda cool, helps small names who'd otherwise never be noticed with miniscule budgets get support for- oh whoops a bunch of jackasses decided to upload their failed digital arts programs as games and never touched them again. **** pretentious walking simulators? In fact, **** pretentious games? **** games? God damn these are awful but you know, some people could really be putting their hearts and souls into these things 'cause after all the whole point of it is the emotional experience and for ***** sake I'd rather give this company a ******* cookie but a slap is probably more well deserved if only to set them straight.

The point is, I don't get the idea that a company shouldn't be allowed to make a mistake, or a well popularized one should be crucified for one. Because what happens then? Then, you stop caring. If for all the good you do, you go unnoticed, and for your **** ups you get **** on, then why the **** shouldn't you take the easy route and just be EA? Seriously, why not? In fact, you may as well, that's the smartest thing to do at that point. EA could become the best god damn company in the world tomorrow morning and it'd still be eternally **** on, so why not just keep doing what they're doing? At least that gets results, and I can guarantee you it costs several times less what Steam has been doing for years.

That's why I trust Valve, and trust Steam for as retarded as they may be. Someone who tries to do good and ***** up hard when they do **** up is entirely preferable to someone who ***** up because to them it's just the best course of action.

That being said, if this sort of **** becomes a recurring trend, make no mistake, I'll be the first to rip Gabe's balls off. You get a free pass from me so long as your idiocy stays as idiocy and not blatant asshole-ness.
Also unrelated, but come on guys. I get that you want a free-flowing work environment where people can work on what they please, but this ****** getting ridiculous. Make Half-Life 3. It's been eight ******* years. This is literally longer than the wait between 1 and 2.
User avatar #40 - sagedivinity (04/27/2015) [-]
Steam decided to pull this behind Gabe's back? I don't believe that at all. Plans like this take months of preparation time before a before a company decides they want to go through with it. Was he was gone for that long? Don't just assume Gabe is innocent in this and had no idea it was going on.

Gabe said the modder sets the minimum price not Valve. This means $0 isn't a mandatory minimum. A modder could set the minimum price to $10 if they want, meaning if you want the mod you have to pay at least $10.

On the issue of thievery Gabe basically said that he believes the mod authors can take care of it themselves but also said that Valve is looking into thievery as a whole not just for this modding issue.
User avatar #36 - fawcks (04/27/2015) [-]
Judging from the first post that faggot Zefar is hard at work on his favorite hobby.
User avatar #35 - hanakoikezawa (04/27/2015) [-]
so basically gabe is taking a **** idea that valve and bethesda had and making it actually good?

i'm all for mods being on steam and being able to support the authors of those mods, but the whole thing with theft is total ********
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