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MODs and Steam (self.gaming)
submitted 14 hours ago by GabeNewellBellevue
On Thursday I was flying back from LA. When I landed, I had 3,500 new messages. Hmmm. Looks like we did something to piss off the Internet.
Yesterday I was distracted as I had to see my surgeon about a blister in my eye (#FuchsDystrophySucks), but I got some background on the paid mods issues.
So here I am, probably a day late, to make sure that if people are pissed off, they are at least pissed off for the right reasons.
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rm In a coffee shop for the next two hours, so I w/ l try to get as many Issues addressed In that time as I can
n» rem area“ reply
H . c. traer.. F' repasts Jimmy
whats op won all the banning and censoring ? How can you consider thato be 'open'?
Well, we are censoring people, that' s stopd. III get that to stop on top of It bang stipid, It doesn‘ t work (see Top Gear fumes on
Jeremy Clarkson)
e Divert ‘Evan e.. rep,
HI gabe, recently I was comminity banned by what I assume was a Valve mod far I week
regardless of whether or not you tee I deserved t I also lost ALL MY COMMUNITY POSTS (threads, comments on fumes, screenshot
comments, prams comments) that had nothing to do with my ban
nee thiswas unnecessary and would We to know can reverse t I am also not the only person this has happened to
this Is my account thanks comed/ gyb
My ban has been med, but posts SUN done, not sore f Its st/ l bang worked on, but they' re probably
unrecoverable 4
oh well, dang what you could Gabe, appreciate It
on It
rem , 'eve o en. rem greaat Iggy
Ifyou want to keep heading that way with mods, are you playng to do anything about stolen content swhat about qualty tests zwe
thog wth mods Ethel they can HI and crash and you usually Install them at your own naks Plus, some mods are not compatible wth
each other WIN you do anything about It 2 everything uploaded swhat about 7
8 H '51 74 hrs A
I dam tank these Issues are spehhs to Moos and they are all worth
For example, two areas where people have legitimate beets aganst as are support and Greenlight We have short term hacks and Wonder
term solutions coming, but the longer term good solutions Involve a bunch chads In the Interim, tagging to bee sore post
Both these problems bail down to scalable solutions that are robust In the face of growth.
gym Inn gym‘! vsp: griego' a Isp;
Hi Gabe, noon. owner of News Mods here Sorry to hear about the Issue with your eye
Can you make a pledge that Valve are doind to do everything to prevent and never allow, the "" of modding, ether by
Valve or developers asend Steamy toes and prevent the concept of mods (mu bang allowed to be uploaded to Steam Workshop and
no where eke, We , Nexus, etc?
Edt fur charity In the questoin
For example, f Bethesda wanted to make modding for Fallout 4/ TES s mast Steam Workshop, or even worse, East the paid
workshop. would Valve veto this and prevent It from happenings
Irk woe. gage‘: reply
HI, Robin
In general we are pretty reluctant to tell any developer that they have to do something orther cant do something mast
oar philosophy to be dictatorial
with that caveat we' d be happy to tell developers that we think they are bang dumb, and that w sometimes help them redact on It a
bit
In the case of Nexus, we' d be happy to work wth you to heure out how we can do a bettering of supporting you Clearly you are
provident a valuable sevice to the comminity Have you been to anyone at Valve
H 374’
HI Gabe,
Interesting answer, ts a shame you wouldnt put your foot down In support ofthe modding comminity In this case, but I appreciate
theta».
Alden got In contact about a month ago as the Nexus bend Mad as a Steam Sewn! Provider For any users folowing this closely, you
can read my the town In a 5, 000 word news post I made today at http://% / games/ news/ ? (I
appreciate yoa probably dank have the Urns to read my banal on the , Gabe!)
He has my email address Beanyone needs to contact me. I bum the Nexus from the ground op. years ado, to be completely tree of
outside Investment or infuence from and to be completely , but there' s no reason why we cant tak
haven woe. g .e
raw
as cots I
Iwent and read It Ithought It was good
The onething rd ask you to think about Isador request to down. we would be reluctant to farce a dame developer to do
x tonne same reason we would be reluctant to knee mod developer to do "x," Itsjust not a good Idea For example we get a lot of
pressure to poilce the content on Steam Shouldnt there be a rule? How can any decent person approve unnaked trusts/ stabbing
defenseless ? It toms out that everything outrages somebody, and there Is no set of possible rules that semis: everyone
Those conversations always tum Into enumerated has It' s a lot more tractable, and costomer/ to
tacos on baking connect costomers to the nght personally (and, , a lot more work)
So, yes, newant to mod authors and to Nexus's/ e aloong coercing other creators/ gamers as much as possible
H -whens sga' o
Inthere' aanyone who understands/ our In bend pressured In to more consecutive polling based on personal VIEWS.
beers and opinions, ts me The News Is known to host some of the most content out there and were lambasted for It on many
sees. Some dame devs wont even touch as because of It But my personal remains the same, Irrespective toghether I agree
wth or We the content [and there' s plenty of steffan the Nexus rm really not a fan on fl take down one me for Insulting anew
sensitivities where do I draw the hwy? Who' s hwy? My hwy? Your hwy? so yeah, youre preaching to the char on that one
However, were not talknig about donating types of content were talking aboat the of Steam bend used to
change a princepie tenet chive modding comminity that' s existed woe the very begining That Is, the princepie that the sharing of mods
con be tree and open to everyone, tthey so WISH, and that that choice remains squarely In the hands ofthe people who develop those
mods. Please, do not misunderstand me, I behave we made myself dear that f certain mod platforms want to explore paid modding then
they cantor better , but I am ca% comically against the concept of mods only bend allowed to be shared online, wth others,
through only one platform rm against the concept of madden not havint a meme / e a Vet of melodrama has ensued tram Valve
and Bethesda: I absolutely believe that you would a key pillar fyou were to allow your
service to be used In such a way
I appreciate you cannot mane what developers do outside and at of Slums servious, but Steam Is Valve‘ s service, and you can control
how your service Is used,
cept ’! Maya reply
the principle that the sharing con be free and open to everyone
Completely 100% agree
LEM ‘start gregori on
ts I CDU? e
H s sandal’! as
wees a diference between controversial games and removing games that do not function
Irk p,, war. grieg
Jewry
I agree They are
TS Kraut;
Damon batton A donation wow work
Why, Gabe. Why are you any wen It comes to a donation button?
rs' m, Irw one navy‘: Isuzu sregard rep,
I (see below) We are addind a batton that modern can use that allows them to sets pay what you want option
in general we are pretty reactant to ten any developer that they have to do something or they con t do something. It Just goes
aganst our philosophy to be dictatorial.
oh please It' s that has made Steam the cesspool fur Eddy Access that It Is Valve/ Steam wasthe power to tell
developers/ publishers. Why not use that for good? If you guys actually cared, you cow nearly all the problems that we put op wth
Someone punishes a dame that Is broken. they dam t yet you w/ l happily sell thew sequels or other games?
With that caveat, wed be happy to ten developers that we think they are being dumb, and that Mil someitmes help them reflect
on It a bit.
As opposed to the users and costomers Valve they are bend dumb and then you days are doind:
http/ h Imgur com/ dd
EDIT
are a valuable Seance to the . Hare you been talking to anyone at vane preciously?
It' s a trap
H Potpourris In
In a trap.
I cant stop laughng at this
I really do WISH something can be done about the Incredibly poor state of some Early Access games / e a qualty test should work well
I am unsure Inthere are Mws to this Idea
Yeah, I laughed, too
en. woe.
Valve' s never, In IO years, recored exclusivity of games or on on Steam Why would they It for mods?
Is a bad Idea for everyone It' s leveraged strategy that creates shortform market and long term
cryied.
rs' ‘ save [Evin " gare
Isnt the 75% cut seen as a bit hgh?
Also, there were reports of mods bend deleted or not bend accessible, are negate discussions bend censored?
The parents are set by the owner ofthe dame that Is bend modded
As I said elsewhere, we are censoring, ts dumb, , and MM stop
H 2? 5 DWI) Frau's
I WINK that this whole debacle has created a spd In the skyrim comminity WWII madden angry at each other for "selling out‘ and the
players mad ewe madden because we see It as a cash grab, and everybody' s pissed at you and Bethesda The comminity plushie
mods have kept this dame alive for and now were all mad at each other and I we this will be a to the end
Whenever that w/ l be However you end this, I hope you do nght reasons
tern
e woe. sregard Iam)
g H ', MISINFORMED {cw
Sky Hm Is a great example ofa gamechat has enormously tram the Moos The option fur paid Moos Is supposed to Increase
the Investment In qualty modding, not hart It
About came straght out ofthe MOD world John Cook and Rube Walker made Team Fortress as a Quake mod Ice trod
made DOTA as a warcraft 3 mod Dave Rwy and Dana case we Doom and Quake mappers John Guthrie and Steve Band cantata
Valve because John Carmack thought they were dang the best Quake c development All ofthem were Liberated Itjust do dame
development once they started paid Working at Wamm House does not help you make a better dame
rep.
Concidence valve Is a company that owes many of ts saw games to mods do you think that had to pay 5 dollars for the orginal
Counter Strike, or Dots mod, wow they have ever taken an
Em Also, was decision was it to start this system? Bethesda, valve, or the mod makers themselves?
Have you approached any other companies regarding tha?
reps. Ewe g
No, they wouldnt Whch Is one ofthe reasons that we didit charge fur them after they stopped bend Moos (at least part ofthe tone)
Free to play Is an extension ifthat and Is based on the aggregate Incremental value player to all the other players
ewe cl,
Purview of Steam Klimt ts a collection and content developers
with the Steam workshop. wave already reached the point where the comminity Is pa)/ mg their Events contributors more than they
wow make tthey worked at a traditional dame developer We see this as a really good step
The option of MOD developers gettng paid seemed Ike a good extension ifthat.
E: saws rem Eve
any plans on renewing the system?
om n. Fave ‘Evan grieg WEI;
Sure We REVIEW thetime rm here as part ifthat process
parts'
n. "spurt gustaa 1;;
stardust In arts 1 near
Just to correct a lot of misinformation out there, can you please ;
I Free mods SUN em on the Workshop.
2. Madden can continue to release thew content fur tree on the Workshop
saw: re. r. guru: raw
Correct
H use
What do you think about a donate button for mods?
term ,
raw
We are addind a pay what you want batton where the mod author can set the starting amount wherever they want
o H we appt Ira
can they set It to an
in: a raw
Yes.
g H am. 1; em praire
Is we proft a normar amount fur content creators In comparable situations? I see a lot of people about the cut Valve and
Bethesda receive
e vap:) mpg
Each dame sets Its own share
n» rem area“ reply
H . c. traer.. F' repasts Jimmy
whats op won all the banning and censoring ? How can you consider thato be 'open'?
Well, we are censoring people, that' s stopd. III get that to stop on top of It bang stipid, It doesn‘ t work (see Top Gear fumes on
Jeremy Clarkson)
e Divert ‘Evan e.. rep,
HI gabe, recently I was comminity banned by what I assume was a Valve mod far I week
regardless of whether or not you tee I deserved t I also lost ALL MY COMMUNITY POSTS (threads, comments on fumes, screenshot
comments, prams comments) that had nothing to do with my ban
nee thiswas unnecessary and would We to know can reverse t I am also not the only person this has happened to
this Is my account thanks comed/ gyb
My ban has been med, but posts SUN done, not sore f Its st/ l bang worked on, but they' re probably
unrecoverable 4
oh well, dang what you could Gabe, appreciate It
on It
rem , 'eve o en. rem greaat Iggy
Ifyou want to keep heading that way with mods, are you playng to do anything about stolen content swhat about qualty tests zwe
thog wth mods Ethel they can HI and crash and you usually Install them at your own naks Plus, some mods are not compatible wth
each other WIN you do anything about It 2 everything uploaded swhat about 7
8 H '51 74 hrs A
I dam tank these Issues are spehhs to Moos and they are all worth
For example, two areas where people have legitimate beets aganst as are support and Greenlight We have short term hacks and Wonder
term solutions coming, but the longer term good solutions Involve a bunch chads In the Interim, tagging to bee sore post
Both these problems bail down to scalable solutions that are robust In the face of growth.
gym Inn gym‘! vsp: griego' a Isp;
Hi Gabe, noon. owner of News Mods here Sorry to hear about the Issue with your eye
Can you make a pledge that Valve are doind to do everything to prevent and never allow, the "" of modding, ether by
Valve or developers asend Steamy toes and prevent the concept of mods (mu bang allowed to be uploaded to Steam Workshop and
no where eke, We , Nexus, etc?
Edt fur charity In the questoin
For example, f Bethesda wanted to make modding for Fallout 4/ TES s mast Steam Workshop, or even worse, East the paid
workshop. would Valve veto this and prevent It from happenings
Irk woe. gage‘: reply
HI, Robin
In general we are pretty reluctant to tell any developer that they have to do something orther cant do something mast
oar philosophy to be dictatorial
with that caveat we' d be happy to tell developers that we think they are bang dumb, and that w sometimes help them redact on It a
bit
In the case of Nexus, we' d be happy to work wth you to heure out how we can do a bettering of supporting you Clearly you are
provident a valuable sevice to the comminity Have you been to anyone at Valve
H 374’
HI Gabe,
Interesting answer, ts a shame you wouldnt put your foot down In support ofthe modding comminity In this case, but I appreciate
theta».
Alden got In contact about a month ago as the Nexus bend Mad as a Steam Sewn! Provider For any users folowing this closely, you
can read my the town In a 5, 000 word news post I made today at http://% / games/ news/ ? (I
appreciate yoa probably dank have the Urns to read my banal on the , Gabe!)
He has my email address Beanyone needs to contact me. I bum the Nexus from the ground op. years ado, to be completely tree of
outside Investment or infuence from and to be completely , but there' s no reason why we cant tak
haven woe. g .e
raw
as cots I
Iwent and read It Ithought It was good
The onething rd ask you to think about Isador request to down. we would be reluctant to farce a dame developer to do
x tonne same reason we would be reluctant to knee mod developer to do "x," Itsjust not a good Idea For example we get a lot of
pressure to poilce the content on Steam Shouldnt there be a rule? How can any decent person approve unnaked trusts/ stabbing
defenseless ? It toms out that everything outrages somebody, and there Is no set of possible rules that semis: everyone
Those conversations always tum Into enumerated has It' s a lot more tractable, and costomer/ to
tacos on baking connect costomers to the nght personally (and, , a lot more work)
So, yes, newant to mod authors and to Nexus's/ e aloong coercing other creators/ gamers as much as possible
H -whens sga' o
Inthere' aanyone who understands/ our In bend pressured In to more consecutive polling based on personal VIEWS.
beers and opinions, ts me The News Is known to host some of the most content out there and were lambasted for It on many
sees. Some dame devs wont even touch as because of It But my personal remains the same, Irrespective toghether I agree
wth or We the content [and there' s plenty of steffan the Nexus rm really not a fan on fl take down one me for Insulting anew
sensitivities where do I draw the hwy? Who' s hwy? My hwy? Your hwy? so yeah, youre preaching to the char on that one
However, were not talknig about donating types of content were talking aboat the of Steam bend used to
change a princepie tenet chive modding comminity that' s existed woe the very begining That Is, the princepie that the sharing of mods
con be tree and open to everyone, tthey so WISH, and that that choice remains squarely In the hands ofthe people who develop those
mods. Please, do not misunderstand me, I behave we made myself dear that f certain mod platforms want to explore paid modding then
they cantor better , but I am ca% comically against the concept of mods only bend allowed to be shared online, wth others,
through only one platform rm against the concept of madden not havint a meme / e a Vet of melodrama has ensued tram Valve
and Bethesda: I absolutely believe that you would a key pillar fyou were to allow your
service to be used In such a way
I appreciate you cannot mane what developers do outside and at of Slums servious, but Steam Is Valve‘ s service, and you can control
how your service Is used,
cept ’! Maya reply
the principle that the sharing con be free and open to everyone
Completely 100% agree
LEM ‘start gregori on
ts I CDU? e
H s sandal’! as
wees a diference between controversial games and removing games that do not function
Irk p,, war. grieg
Jewry
I agree They are
TS Kraut;
Damon batton A donation wow work
Why, Gabe. Why are you any wen It comes to a donation button?
rs' m, Irw one navy‘: Isuzu sregard rep,
I (see below) We are addind a batton that modern can use that allows them to sets pay what you want option
in general we are pretty reactant to ten any developer that they have to do something or they con t do something. It Just goes
aganst our philosophy to be dictatorial.
oh please It' s that has made Steam the cesspool fur Eddy Access that It Is Valve/ Steam wasthe power to tell
developers/ publishers. Why not use that for good? If you guys actually cared, you cow nearly all the problems that we put op wth
Someone punishes a dame that Is broken. they dam t yet you w/ l happily sell thew sequels or other games?
With that caveat, wed be happy to ten developers that we think they are being dumb, and that Mil someitmes help them reflect
on It a bit.
As opposed to the users and costomers Valve they are bend dumb and then you days are doind:
http/ h Imgur com/ dd
EDIT
are a valuable Seance to the . Hare you been talking to anyone at vane preciously?
It' s a trap
H Potpourris In
In a trap.
I cant stop laughng at this
I really do WISH something can be done about the Incredibly poor state of some Early Access games / e a qualty test should work well
I am unsure Inthere are Mws to this Idea
Yeah, I laughed, too
en. woe.
Valve' s never, In IO years, recored exclusivity of games or on on Steam Why would they It for mods?
Is a bad Idea for everyone It' s leveraged strategy that creates shortform market and long term
cryied.
rs' ‘ save [Evin " gare
Isnt the 75% cut seen as a bit hgh?
Also, there were reports of mods bend deleted or not bend accessible, are negate discussions bend censored?
The parents are set by the owner ofthe dame that Is bend modded
As I said elsewhere, we are censoring, ts dumb, , and MM stop
H 2? 5 DWI) Frau's
I WINK that this whole debacle has created a spd In the skyrim comminity WWII madden angry at each other for "selling out‘ and the
players mad ewe madden because we see It as a cash grab, and everybody' s pissed at you and Bethesda The comminity plushie
mods have kept this dame alive for and now were all mad at each other and I we this will be a to the end
Whenever that w/ l be However you end this, I hope you do nght reasons
tern
e woe. sregard Iam)
g H ', MISINFORMED {cw
Sky Hm Is a great example ofa gamechat has enormously tram the Moos The option fur paid Moos Is supposed to Increase
the Investment In qualty modding, not hart It
About came straght out ofthe MOD world John Cook and Rube Walker made Team Fortress as a Quake mod Ice trod
made DOTA as a warcraft 3 mod Dave Rwy and Dana case we Doom and Quake mappers John Guthrie and Steve Band cantata
Valve because John Carmack thought they were dang the best Quake c development All ofthem were Liberated Itjust do dame
development once they started paid Working at Wamm House does not help you make a better dame
rep.
Concidence valve Is a company that owes many of ts saw games to mods do you think that had to pay 5 dollars for the orginal
Counter Strike, or Dots mod, wow they have ever taken an
Em Also, was decision was it to start this system? Bethesda, valve, or the mod makers themselves?
Have you approached any other companies regarding tha?
reps. Ewe g
No, they wouldnt Whch Is one ofthe reasons that we didit charge fur them after they stopped bend Moos (at least part ofthe tone)
Free to play Is an extension ifthat and Is based on the aggregate Incremental value player to all the other players
ewe cl,
Purview of Steam Klimt ts a collection and content developers
with the Steam workshop. wave already reached the point where the comminity Is pa)/ mg their Events contributors more than they
wow make tthey worked at a traditional dame developer We see this as a really good step
The option of MOD developers gettng paid seemed Ike a good extension ifthat.
E: saws rem Eve
any plans on renewing the system?
om n. Fave ‘Evan grieg WEI;
Sure We REVIEW thetime rm here as part ifthat process
parts'
n. "spurt gustaa 1;;
stardust In arts 1 near
Just to correct a lot of misinformation out there, can you please ;
I Free mods SUN em on the Workshop.
2. Madden can continue to release thew content fur tree on the Workshop
saw: re. r. guru: raw
Correct
H use
What do you think about a donate button for mods?
term ,
raw
We are addind a pay what you want batton where the mod author can set the starting amount wherever they want
o H we appt Ira
can they set It to an
in: a raw
Yes.
g H am. 1; em praire
Is we proft a normar amount fur content creators In comparable situations? I see a lot of people about the cut Valve and
Bethesda receive
e vap:) mpg
Each dame sets Its own share
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