Fuck these "refugees"
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bluerangermartin (09/10/2015) [+] (11 replies)
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Immigrant complains having no tv or air conditioning
m.youtube.com/watch?v=U_BQ-4WfK8A
Immigrants throw away the food and the water what they get in Hungary
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Migrants steal donations in Hungary
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Syrian boy drowned because father wanted new teeth.
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Immigrants rioting in Greece
m.youtube.com/watch?v=XOpKBslt0vQ
Refugees chanting and shouting "Allah Akbar" in Immigrant trains going to Germany
m.youtube.com/watch?v=UpZuEmKwNjM
Immigrants arriving in Hungary stop to throw rocks at train drivers.
m.youtube.com/watch?v=EhON-CB7liM
Hungarian immigrants leave huge amounts of trash. One gestures a slit throat movement to camera.
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Migrant forces his wife and child onto train tracks before hitting himself in the head with a rock repeatedly.
m.youtube.com/watch?v=IEcwoXVtF7s
Greece overwhelmed by rampaging immigrants.
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Immigrants throw away the food and the water what they get in Hungary
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Migrants steal donations in Hungary
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Syrian boy drowned because father wanted new teeth.
m.youtube.com/watch?v=QZUuoaq1MLM
Immigrants rioting in Greece
m.youtube.com/watch?v=XOpKBslt0vQ
Refugees chanting and shouting "Allah Akbar" in Immigrant trains going to Germany
m.youtube.com/watch?v=UpZuEmKwNjM
Immigrants arriving in Hungary stop to throw rocks at train drivers.
m.youtube.com/watch?v=EhON-CB7liM
Hungarian immigrants leave huge amounts of trash. One gestures a slit throat movement to camera.
m.youtube.com/watch?v=t8NDImiea5U
Migrant forces his wife and child onto train tracks before hitting himself in the head with a rock repeatedly.
m.youtube.com/watch?v=IEcwoXVtF7s
Greece overwhelmed by rampaging immigrants.
m.youtube.com/watch?v=BQhjB5hAzsc
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mauerman [OP]ONLINE (09/10/2015) [+] (88 replies)
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Thank you all for participating in a very vivid discussion about my post.
I feel there are some things I need to point out.
Some of you seem to think that the majority of these people want to get a job, find a home and get on with their lives. This couldn't be further from the truth.
The refugees who came here 30 years ago, who've had children and those children have had children here, still speak with an almost incomprehensible Arabic accent. This means that most of these people teach their children Arabic first, and the native language of the country they are living in, second.
If they can get away with not applying for a job, they will. Most immigrants not working here are claiming disability benefits, because "they have PTSD from fleeing from the war". This has been happening for 30 years, and it will continue to happen.
All of you who think that they are trying to make a better life for themselves, I applaud your ignorance. Most of them are trying to leech, and do nothing, because deep down they know they are not wanted, so they won't even try to get us to like them. I mean, come on, what kind of ****** attitude is that?
Some of course want to make a better life for themselves. But they are vastly outnumbered by the lazy ***** who want nothing from the Northern Europeans other than money, so they can continue to live the exact same way they did down in that ******** they call a country.
/rant
I feel there are some things I need to point out.
Some of you seem to think that the majority of these people want to get a job, find a home and get on with their lives. This couldn't be further from the truth.
The refugees who came here 30 years ago, who've had children and those children have had children here, still speak with an almost incomprehensible Arabic accent. This means that most of these people teach their children Arabic first, and the native language of the country they are living in, second.
If they can get away with not applying for a job, they will. Most immigrants not working here are claiming disability benefits, because "they have PTSD from fleeing from the war". This has been happening for 30 years, and it will continue to happen.
All of you who think that they are trying to make a better life for themselves, I applaud your ignorance. Most of them are trying to leech, and do nothing, because deep down they know they are not wanted, so they won't even try to get us to like them. I mean, come on, what kind of ****** attitude is that?
Some of course want to make a better life for themselves. But they are vastly outnumbered by the lazy ***** who want nothing from the Northern Europeans other than money, so they can continue to live the exact same way they did down in that ******** they call a country.
/rant
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psychadelicace (09/10/2015) [-]
I genuinely believe this will start some kind of war/conflict
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trytocatchup (09/10/2015) [-]
If it ever does you can believe we will be one of the first to be doing this
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highkingtorygg (09/10/2015) [-]
I geniunely hope, because I'm a ****** up knob not involved in any way
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andywazowski (09/09/2015) [-]
What bothers me is the idea that people can't see why we can't keep giving the refugees money.
500 arrive, okay fine we can give out money
1200 arrives, oookay, guess we can give you money aswell
10000 arrive, we have to cut down on the money we GIVE you
RACISTS!
******* hell
500 arrive, okay fine we can give out money
1200 arrives, oookay, guess we can give you money aswell
10000 arrive, we have to cut down on the money we GIVE you
RACISTS!
******* hell
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elaxx (09/10/2015) [-]
**** them. On behalf of many Ukrainians I say. **** them. EU regulations about migration from Ukraine have been tight for many years and when the Ukrainian conflict started it tightened even more. Majority would straight out get rejected. I'm talking about the people from the area of actual conflict, not even talking about thousands of Ukrainians from around, those had no chance of being accepted whatsoever. But you know what? I understood that. It's not simple to just accept thousands of refugees just like that and it has always been tough. So Ukrainians instead scattered around to whoever would take them, they just wanted a peaceful life, even though they received a harsh welcome.
Now this thing with Syria happened. I understand that as well. War, all the same all over again. But look at that! Hundreds of thousands of refugees coming just in EU and millions around! And more importantly, they get accepted. They don't wait for months and months to receive any help whatsoever. They don't get massively rejected. They set up camps for them, give out food, clothes, offer asylum. Do they accept? No. No, they want to go to Germany, they want to go to Denmark, they want to go to Britain, they want to go to Sweden... What is that, the refugees say, you want me to get asylum here? In Hungary? In Italy? In Greece? In Czech Republic? NO, they say. And they go to block the highways, they block the trains, they sometimes attack trucks, sometimes they even attack people. They will complain, We have waited here for a week! Let us go to Germany! While in refugees camps, they complain about the quality of food, they complain about quality of clothes, they want a ******* phone reception, they want a proper job. Then they are disappointed because "the life in Europe is not what I imagined it would be".
On behalf of many Ukrainians, I say to refugees, are you ******* kidding me? You get opportunities so much better than anyone else fleeing from war and you even have the audacity to complain? You have so many choices that you even dare to choose where to flee? **** you. **** . You.
Now, I understand that there are thousands and thousands of refugees that don't actually care where to run, they just want to run away from war. For those, I will go out, welcome them warmly, offer food and shelter. For the rest of those wannabe helpless victims, deportation. If you can afford to choose then you are not really in need.
Also, I won't say that EU is being hypocritical. I won't, even though Ukrainians got a much harsher attitude. Why? Because I think that being willing to help and provide is always good. Even if Ukrainians didn't receive it, that kind of change is always welcome. I am however incredibly pissed at the choosy "refugees". They don't realize what they are being offered and they don't really value what they get. And to the EU I say, beware, you are getting ****** over.
Now this thing with Syria happened. I understand that as well. War, all the same all over again. But look at that! Hundreds of thousands of refugees coming just in EU and millions around! And more importantly, they get accepted. They don't wait for months and months to receive any help whatsoever. They don't get massively rejected. They set up camps for them, give out food, clothes, offer asylum. Do they accept? No. No, they want to go to Germany, they want to go to Denmark, they want to go to Britain, they want to go to Sweden... What is that, the refugees say, you want me to get asylum here? In Hungary? In Italy? In Greece? In Czech Republic? NO, they say. And they go to block the highways, they block the trains, they sometimes attack trucks, sometimes they even attack people. They will complain, We have waited here for a week! Let us go to Germany! While in refugees camps, they complain about the quality of food, they complain about quality of clothes, they want a ******* phone reception, they want a proper job. Then they are disappointed because "the life in Europe is not what I imagined it would be".
On behalf of many Ukrainians, I say to refugees, are you ******* kidding me? You get opportunities so much better than anyone else fleeing from war and you even have the audacity to complain? You have so many choices that you even dare to choose where to flee? **** you. **** . You.
Now, I understand that there are thousands and thousands of refugees that don't actually care where to run, they just want to run away from war. For those, I will go out, welcome them warmly, offer food and shelter. For the rest of those wannabe helpless victims, deportation. If you can afford to choose then you are not really in need.
Also, I won't say that EU is being hypocritical. I won't, even though Ukrainians got a much harsher attitude. Why? Because I think that being willing to help and provide is always good. Even if Ukrainians didn't receive it, that kind of change is always welcome. I am however incredibly pissed at the choosy "refugees". They don't realize what they are being offered and they don't really value what they get. And to the EU I say, beware, you are getting ****** over.
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anon (09/11/2015) [-]
looking at the third pic is what convinces me of the accuracy of that whole "war->no_war->benefits" map.
i dont know what the intended message was from that notice in pic 3, but i can sure guess what kinda message it delivered to any dirt-poor immigrant looking to get something for free in a decent first world country.
sounds like they better hurry up and get to denmark to claim that free money before it dissappears entirely since they already talkin about reducing the benefits by half.
if they stay in old islamistan, the only benefits they can expect is a free bullet in the face probably.
i dont know what the intended message was from that notice in pic 3, but i can sure guess what kinda message it delivered to any dirt-poor immigrant looking to get something for free in a decent first world country.
sounds like they better hurry up and get to denmark to claim that free money before it dissappears entirely since they already talkin about reducing the benefits by half.
if they stay in old islamistan, the only benefits they can expect is a free bullet in the face probably.
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elaxx (09/10/2015) [-]
www.youtube.com/watch?v=-amDKfV5Hdw
www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZG3eKi4C0k
www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/immigrants-have-attacked-stabbed-british-5908519
www.ilgiornale.it/news/cronache/capo-rizzuto-immigrati-bloccano-statale-vogliamo-wifi-e-i-1105626.html?mobile_detect=false (google translate it)
www.thelocal.it/20150715/migrants-in-sicily-revolt-over-unpaid-pocket-money
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3204828/Riot-breaks-overcrowded-refugee-camp-Germany-resident-tore-pages-Koran.html
www.facebook.com/e3f60P9Q/posts/947919768591579 (translate with google)
I don't know just throwing a few I know about...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZG3eKi4C0k
www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/immigrants-have-attacked-stabbed-british-5908519
www.ilgiornale.it/news/cronache/capo-rizzuto-immigrati-bloccano-statale-vogliamo-wifi-e-i-1105626.html?mobile_detect=false (google translate it)
www.thelocal.it/20150715/migrants-in-sicily-revolt-over-unpaid-pocket-money
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3204828/Riot-breaks-overcrowded-refugee-camp-Germany-resident-tore-pages-Koran.html
www.facebook.com/e3f60P9Q/posts/947919768591579 (translate with google)
I don't know just throwing a few I know about...
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zandersave (09/10/2015) [-]
The reason they want to go to the northern countries is because those northern countries give them rights. In Hungary they were kicked out on trains to Germany. In Eastern Europe they were poisoned and hated. They don't want to leave their countries to live somewhere that the government will hate them and the people will poison them. They want to go somewhere that will give them rights. As it should be.
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elaxx (09/10/2015) [-]
Immigrants aren't liked anywhere. The days of surplus of work and space are decades since gone, there are too many people on Earth, there is less work and fewer chances to get up in society. As a Ukrainian who immigrated to Czech Republic I can say that even here I used to be discriminated. By people, pressured by government, immense amount of money to just be able to live here, leading a very modest way of life. I remember the times when we even had problems with food as we couldn't afford much, which are thankfully gone. Being hungry is something hard to live with and I can't even imagine how much worse it must had been for my parents to see their kids hungry and not being able to do anything about that. But I never complained. I was the different one and I did everything I could not to show where I am from, everything I could to assimilate. When in Rome, do as the Romans do. And that's how it should be. When you come en masse and cause chaos, it shouldn't be in any way surprising that you get more negativity than a usual immigrant would. As an immigrant I've learned that the less attention you draw, the better. By causing this chaos they are like magnets for hatred. This is something you just have to endure. By rolling out to the richer countries they are just creating an even worse image of themselves.
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zandersave (09/10/2015) [-]
In your situation you were able to blend in, assimilate. But as long as there is a population that despises refugees, they will never be able to assimilate fully. To some people,employers or shopkeeps they will always be a Arab refugee. In some "poorer" countries this extends to the government also. Fortunately for them, the governments of richer countries don't think like that (at the moment).
Don't you think the refugees live a very (im using this word very loosely) "modest" way of life? They didnt take a plane or a train for most of the way. They ******* walked thousands of miles. Why do you think its mostly men? Others simply can not do it or they die. After all that do you think they want to be turned back by Australia and Hungary or worse, poisoned? Of course anyone would be ******* mad.
By rolling out to the richer countries they are creating a better life for themselves.
Don't you think the refugees live a very (im using this word very loosely) "modest" way of life? They didnt take a plane or a train for most of the way. They ******* walked thousands of miles. Why do you think its mostly men? Others simply can not do it or they die. After all that do you think they want to be turned back by Australia and Hungary or worse, poisoned? Of course anyone would be ******* mad.
By rolling out to the richer countries they are creating a better life for themselves.
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elaxx (09/10/2015) [-]
Yes. for employers or shopkeepers they will always be Arab refugees, just like my parents will always be Ukrainians to everyone. That's more or less the usual outcome for the first generation. They are the immigrants and will always be. The assimilation isn't as important for them as it is important for their kids. That's why I was able to assimilate. My parents will never fully assimilate. You can't just live most of your life in one country and culture, then move somewhere else and change in a few years. That's not how humans work.
I mentioned the modest way of life to make clear that I'm not talking out of my arse, I have an idea how it is to live like that. I understand that they want a better life, better life for their kids. But I stand for what I said, the reaction they get is very natural. They aren't "fleeing the war", they don't want just to "survive", which is what asylum is for. They want a better life. But guess what? Everyone does! Why don't we take whole Africa in? Their situation is even worse and more than that they can't even physically get here.
If your situation is so hopeless, if your life is in constant danger from the bombs flying over your head, the negative attitude you get form people that do, in fact, provide you an opportunity to live in a country without war should be of least priority to you. Talk to other people who want to immigrate from other countries for better life to the same countries these immigrants want to get in. Can they get in? No! Nowadays it's damn near impossible. These refugees get extra care because their country is ravaged by war but their needs aren't of those whose country is ravaged by war, they act as if they were just like the very immigrants who are going for better life. They are exploiting the system, simply put.
The negativity is something that every immigrant will have to get through. Migrating is hard, it's never easy. Sometimes impossible.
I mentioned the modest way of life to make clear that I'm not talking out of my arse, I have an idea how it is to live like that. I understand that they want a better life, better life for their kids. But I stand for what I said, the reaction they get is very natural. They aren't "fleeing the war", they don't want just to "survive", which is what asylum is for. They want a better life. But guess what? Everyone does! Why don't we take whole Africa in? Their situation is even worse and more than that they can't even physically get here.
If your situation is so hopeless, if your life is in constant danger from the bombs flying over your head, the negative attitude you get form people that do, in fact, provide you an opportunity to live in a country without war should be of least priority to you. Talk to other people who want to immigrate from other countries for better life to the same countries these immigrants want to get in. Can they get in? No! Nowadays it's damn near impossible. These refugees get extra care because their country is ravaged by war but their needs aren't of those whose country is ravaged by war, they act as if they were just like the very immigrants who are going for better life. They are exploiting the system, simply put.
The negativity is something that every immigrant will have to get through. Migrating is hard, it's never easy. Sometimes impossible.
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crazycommando (09/10/2015) [-]
"rights"
yes....as in the ones that give you money if you complain ? yeah they totally want rights
yes....as in the ones that give you money if you complain ? yeah they totally want rights
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herrokitteh (09/10/2015) [-]
You haven't read this post, obviously. There's oh, 12000 km of completely peaceful continent between Syria and Denmark. These refugees are only coming to Denmark for benefits, they pay no tax and refuse to conform to the nation's laws.
>people can't get to work
That's fine, the government will just magic more money out of thin air! That's how Denmark got so rich in the first place!
Go back to sniffing Hilary Clinton's asshole you uneducated plebeian ****
>people can't get to work
That's fine, the government will just magic more money out of thin air! That's how Denmark got so rich in the first place!
Go back to sniffing Hilary Clinton's asshole you uneducated plebeian ****
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hkkkkkk (09/10/2015) [-]
You are the uneducated plebeian **** if you consider a FJ post your source of news and information
www.cnn.com/2015/09/09/world/welcome-syrian-refugees-countries/
Germany and Sweden simply have the most. Denmark has the most per capita.
"I think it's important that we signal being a community that rests on common values of democracy and defense of human rights." This basically tells you everything that you need to know.
www.cnn.com/2015/09/09/world/welcome-syrian-refugees-countries/
Germany and Sweden simply have the most. Denmark has the most per capita.
"I think it's important that we signal being a community that rests on common values of democracy and defense of human rights." This basically tells you everything that you need to know.
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hkkkkkk (09/10/2015) [-]
Are you seriously that much of a mindless ******* that you think a Funnyjunk post has a higher standard than a CNN report?
CNN isn't the greatest because of their sensationalism, but they don't just straight up lie. I found that article on a quick google search and it is the most comprehensive piece of info I found about the refugee's destinations.
CNN isn't the greatest because of their sensationalism, but they don't just straight up lie. I found that article on a quick google search and it is the most comprehensive piece of info I found about the refugee's destinations.
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herrokitteh (09/10/2015) [-]
I was talking about the map that says NO WAR in just about every other European country. Denmark's just the most badly affected and the one country getting all the ******** thrown in its direction.
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xak ONLINE (09/10/2015) [-]
Problem is that Sweden which is one of the countries which supports the most refuges is also 10 times larger than Denmark, compared to landmass, where denmark supports 6 times less than Sweden, compared to that, we are one of the countries which supports the largest mass of refugees compared to landmass, since Denmark is one of the smallest countries which support a massive amount of refugees
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zandersave (09/10/2015) [-]
But Sweden only has less than double the population. Yet Denmark takes 6 times less refugees, way to go
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ninjaspartan (09/10/2015) [-]
Unless you plan on building a house for each one of those refugees with your own hands, you can go **** off. No one is dying, quit deluding yourself.
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ninjaspartan (09/10/2015) [-]
12,000 miles of safe land. Twelve. Thousand. They can be safe literally anywhere else. You're the naive one if you feel responsible for housing each and every immigrant on your own land because good-will is the only thing that makes the world go round.
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ninjaspartan (09/10/2015) [-]
If you're talking about the U.S. dollar that was chopped into little bits and pieces by years of quantum easing before being backed by the good will and trust of our banking system since before Kennedy instead of gold and silver like it's supposed to be, then yes. If you're talking about any other currency in the world, no.
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ninjaspartan (09/10/2015) [-]
That's literally what you were just arguing against. Do you want your country to spread its resources thin for refugees or not?
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ninjaspartan (09/10/2015) [-]
Wanna know what the problem is? Good will is a finite resource. You're gonna find that out the hard way too, once you give your first homeless man a twenty at the end of your block and find them all gathered there the next morning expecting twenties from your wallet full of good will.
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aheael (09/13/2015) [-]
Who says good will is a finite source? There's an infinite amount.
Good will is simply just not money for you can always give money to the homeless person but will that really change their life? Be it any problem, if millions of people showed good will then the problems of today would be much more scarce.
Unfortunately people don't.
Good will is simply just not money for you can always give money to the homeless person but will that really change their life? Be it any problem, if millions of people showed good will then the problems of today would be much more scarce.
Unfortunately people don't.
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hkkkkkk (09/10/2015) [-]
Your example is why the homeless should be in homeless shelters and be taken care of by the government. I almost never give them money personally but I do not mind donating to charity or getting a tax raise from a government I consider at least mildly responsible.
In the end, homelessness exists because of lack of good will. Treating refugees with fairness, even if they themselves act unfairly, will not be enough to fix the world, but I think that building up a very good record on human rights, while also continuing to be prosperous, can compel other countries to do the same.
In the end, homelessness exists because of lack of good will. Treating refugees with fairness, even if they themselves act unfairly, will not be enough to fix the world, but I think that building up a very good record on human rights, while also continuing to be prosperous, can compel other countries to do the same.
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ninjaspartan (09/10/2015) [-]
So then, like, what happens when the government runs out of twenties? I mean, are you gonna go out and build homeless shelters for the homeless? Doubt it. From what I could gather from your link, Sweaden has taken in 68,000+ refugees already. Yet they still gather like a flock of seagulls for scraps. Missed Denmark on their, but I'm sure it's the same thing. Suddenly, more homeless come around Sweaden and the government runs out of good will. And now because they're reaching their limit its racism? What, is the trip to America too hard?? Tax increase and charity isn't gonna do **** for this large of an influx, there's a damn limit to something so ridiculous.
Someone else said it first, but if you let the poor and suffering oversaturate your country, then your country becomes poor and suffering. There's still plenty of places for them to go, don't just crowd one goddamn spot.
Someone else said it first, but if you let the poor and suffering oversaturate your country, then your country becomes poor and suffering. There's still plenty of places for them to go, don't just crowd one goddamn spot.
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hkkkkkk (09/10/2015) [-]
You don't wanna talk on terms of ethics, fine then.
What happens when you let a large amount of people sit and rot in the middle of the desert? What happens if you do not let them escape their war-ravaged country? Have you ever thought about why the Middle East is a ******** in the first place? I think centuries of violence, some of it you can blame on religion, is part of the reason. I think it would be a great idea, for everyone's sake, to rid the region of all the hypocrisy, corruption and violence that has infested it for so long. The 2003 invasion of Iraq was created as means to accomplish that but it failed miserably, so a military option, I think, will never work out.
What you end up with is a war of cultures where the most SUPERIOR culture will dictate the course of history, including the middle east and other areas of concern like China and Russia. Morals are intertwined with culture on a basic level, that's why I brought it up. It's the theory of the clash of the civilizations. Wanna know what, I think, holds the best culture in the world? That's right, Denmark along with other Scandinavian countries. Regularly, they are placed the happiest countries in the world.
When Sweden decides to take in a fairly large amount of refugees (and other kinds of asylum seekers, for that matter), they do so because it is a way for them to exert the power of their culture towards the middle east. You think that morals don't matter but in the end, morals are tied with logic and logic ALWAYS wins.
The poor ***** who flock over your country wont turn it into a ******** because as they become older and their children become more Danish or Sweden, the bad elements of their original traditions fizzle up and die and they adopt the vastly superior values and cultures of their new homes. It simply makes sense. Those people are poor not because of lack of monetary resources, but because of lack of good morals and traditions. Bad cultures do not spread around like an infectious disease, despite what you might believe. In this case, the opposite happens: Good cultures and morals spread around very fast. Look at how Vietnam on how they have adopted capitalist policies. Look at the USA and the rise of Bernie Sanders, a socialist.
As the countries in the middle east fight over their stupid **** , they will start to know of people who fled, adopted different cultures that respect women and value pacifism, and now live a much happier life. Word of mouth spreads and will be the catalyst for the cultural revolution that region needs so much.
It is part of what happened in the Arab spring. The people there rose up as they learned of other countries like America and Germany where there is a much higher standard of liberty. They learned of brothers and sisters who emigrated there and now lead a happier life. I would hazard to guess that due to the Syrian war, people no longer think of America as the standard bearer; those people now look up to Sweden. That is good news for them. After the end of the cold war, this sort of recognition has been the prime standard of power. Everyone says that Russia and China are world powers, but nobody anywhere looks up to them. Their power is as empty as those of the rich Arab Countries, countries that spawned terrorists like Osama Bin Laden.
Look, TLR, nobody is saying you should spend all your resources to take refugees in. What I'm saying is that you shouldn't look at it in such a bad way. As I said in an earlier post, there's clear concerns about Islam that should be addressed, like banning Burkas in public (like in France.) The costs look steep now but they will bring revenue in a long term basis. How? By making the world as good as your country is.
What happens when you let a large amount of people sit and rot in the middle of the desert? What happens if you do not let them escape their war-ravaged country? Have you ever thought about why the Middle East is a ******** in the first place? I think centuries of violence, some of it you can blame on religion, is part of the reason. I think it would be a great idea, for everyone's sake, to rid the region of all the hypocrisy, corruption and violence that has infested it for so long. The 2003 invasion of Iraq was created as means to accomplish that but it failed miserably, so a military option, I think, will never work out.
What you end up with is a war of cultures where the most SUPERIOR culture will dictate the course of history, including the middle east and other areas of concern like China and Russia. Morals are intertwined with culture on a basic level, that's why I brought it up. It's the theory of the clash of the civilizations. Wanna know what, I think, holds the best culture in the world? That's right, Denmark along with other Scandinavian countries. Regularly, they are placed the happiest countries in the world.
When Sweden decides to take in a fairly large amount of refugees (and other kinds of asylum seekers, for that matter), they do so because it is a way for them to exert the power of their culture towards the middle east. You think that morals don't matter but in the end, morals are tied with logic and logic ALWAYS wins.
The poor ***** who flock over your country wont turn it into a ******** because as they become older and their children become more Danish or Sweden, the bad elements of their original traditions fizzle up and die and they adopt the vastly superior values and cultures of their new homes. It simply makes sense. Those people are poor not because of lack of monetary resources, but because of lack of good morals and traditions. Bad cultures do not spread around like an infectious disease, despite what you might believe. In this case, the opposite happens: Good cultures and morals spread around very fast. Look at how Vietnam on how they have adopted capitalist policies. Look at the USA and the rise of Bernie Sanders, a socialist.
As the countries in the middle east fight over their stupid **** , they will start to know of people who fled, adopted different cultures that respect women and value pacifism, and now live a much happier life. Word of mouth spreads and will be the catalyst for the cultural revolution that region needs so much.
It is part of what happened in the Arab spring. The people there rose up as they learned of other countries like America and Germany where there is a much higher standard of liberty. They learned of brothers and sisters who emigrated there and now lead a happier life. I would hazard to guess that due to the Syrian war, people no longer think of America as the standard bearer; those people now look up to Sweden. That is good news for them. After the end of the cold war, this sort of recognition has been the prime standard of power. Everyone says that Russia and China are world powers, but nobody anywhere looks up to them. Their power is as empty as those of the rich Arab Countries, countries that spawned terrorists like Osama Bin Laden.
Look, TLR, nobody is saying you should spend all your resources to take refugees in. What I'm saying is that you shouldn't look at it in such a bad way. As I said in an earlier post, there's clear concerns about Islam that should be addressed, like banning Burkas in public (like in France.) The costs look steep now but they will bring revenue in a long term basis. How? By making the world as good as your country is.
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ninjaspartan (09/10/2015) [-]
Mm. Got some interesting news for you, buddy. I'm a U.S. citizen. I dunno if that makes more sense or less sense to you, but what makes sense to me is that you don't see things objectively. No, I'm not gonna look at things from an ethical standpoint, ethics are a circumstance of politics, not a cause. I have no idea what you went on a whole spheal to talk about people being nice to other people about. That's just not how the world works, and it never will, sorry. I like your optimism. But a person is smart. People are stupid. You can't just stand on a soap-box and rattle on about "If the world changes, the world will be a better place!" No one is gonna listen to that. Where would you even start? The largest movements in history haven't accomplished changing every mind and swaying every heart on the planet. That's why you never look at the world as a singular human being, because it won't act like one. Ever. As an American citizen where you get to experience the extreme polar opposite of both political spectrums, it could never be more obvious, yet we still happen to maintain that liberty you talked so fondly about.
And for the record, Bernie Sanders ain't doin much on his soap-box either, I dunno what everyone is all in a tizzy over him about.
And for the record, Bernie Sanders ain't doin much on his soap-box either, I dunno what everyone is all in a tizzy over him about.
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hkkkkkk (09/10/2015) [-]
You are right that it is hard to rattle about it, it's just very hard to find a starting point because utilitarianism works in an extremely complicated way. This is something that takes up books, not college-grade essays.
What you are talking about is the whole notion that the world sucks, that everyone is an asshole and that it would be naive to think that people can overcome human nature. It's true that people cannot overcome their human nature, that is why anarchism or communism don't work and why capitalism is the best alternative. This isn't so much about ensuring that everyone does positive things but by ensuring they don't do bad things.
The fact is that history has ALWAYS gone in one direction, and that is of a more moral society. Some traditions, policies, laws that took place in the 1800's are now seen as abhorrent. You can just take racism as an example. I don't have to make a huge post about this, you can think up of many examples where society has clearly evolved. We have always been heading in the right direction, and it is going much faster now because of globalization. The fact that life still sucks doesn't mean we haven't improved. Technological advances, such as airplanes and the internet, has made it much easier to form bridges between cultures.
I simply think that we must fix the middle east, and the best way to do it is forming cultural bridges with them. Obviously, using the military is out of the question. We must "westenize" them. I hate to say it, but we must get rid of Islam the way it is practiced there, or get rid of it all together. One way to do so is allowing them to immigrate; it is a cultural bridge that is far more intimate than, say, opening up a mcdonalds somewhere over there. Those who immigrate keep family ties to those who stayed at home, and it is through that connection how ideas are passed.
You may think Bernie Sanders means nothing right now, but to me it is clear that he will rise up be able to reach the democratic nomination. That is HUGE progress in a country where socialism has been seen as a huge pejorative. Yeah, although I don't neccessarily agree with many of the things he says, him winning the presidency would shift the country slightly to the left, which is what it needs at the moment.
What you are talking about is the whole notion that the world sucks, that everyone is an asshole and that it would be naive to think that people can overcome human nature. It's true that people cannot overcome their human nature, that is why anarchism or communism don't work and why capitalism is the best alternative. This isn't so much about ensuring that everyone does positive things but by ensuring they don't do bad things.
The fact is that history has ALWAYS gone in one direction, and that is of a more moral society. Some traditions, policies, laws that took place in the 1800's are now seen as abhorrent. You can just take racism as an example. I don't have to make a huge post about this, you can think up of many examples where society has clearly evolved. We have always been heading in the right direction, and it is going much faster now because of globalization. The fact that life still sucks doesn't mean we haven't improved. Technological advances, such as airplanes and the internet, has made it much easier to form bridges between cultures.
I simply think that we must fix the middle east, and the best way to do it is forming cultural bridges with them. Obviously, using the military is out of the question. We must "westenize" them. I hate to say it, but we must get rid of Islam the way it is practiced there, or get rid of it all together. One way to do so is allowing them to immigrate; it is a cultural bridge that is far more intimate than, say, opening up a mcdonalds somewhere over there. Those who immigrate keep family ties to those who stayed at home, and it is through that connection how ideas are passed.
You may think Bernie Sanders means nothing right now, but to me it is clear that he will rise up be able to reach the democratic nomination. That is HUGE progress in a country where socialism has been seen as a huge pejorative. Yeah, although I don't neccessarily agree with many of the things he says, him winning the presidency would shift the country slightly to the left, which is what it needs at the moment.
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elaxx (09/10/2015) [-]
"The poor ***** who flock over your country wont turn it into a ******** because as they become older and their children become more Danish or Sweden, the bad elements of their original traditions fizzle up and die and they adopt the vastly superior values and cultures of their new homes."
This, this is the tricky part. It has been proven countless times in sociology that the 3rd generation of immigrants tend to be more radical about their grandparents' homeland values than the grandparents themselves. Shortly, people are afraid of what the current immigrants will do to their country, but they should be afraid what their grandchildren will do. For all we know a mass wave of radicals might flourish, or Islamic conservatives in our west countries. I won't tell you what the 3d generation theory is exactly about, but the first generation, the ones that actually immigrated, they tend to more or less assimilate (at least they are likely to, if they don't only come for welfare and do ******** ), then they teach their kids, the 2nd generation, about those values and those kids live the modest lives along with their parents, they are still perceived as immigrants in the society but they likely to try assimilated even harder. Now the third generations faces a dilemma, where do they belong do. They are likely to live a good, not necessarily modest, life. Even though still somehow different from the rest of the society. Surprisingly a big part would choose their ancestry over the, like you said, superior culture of the country they live in, and they tend to be proud about that. Like I said, I don't know the details but I do know that this tendency has been proven. If we get past the 3rd generation barrier and don't get ravaged by these immigrants from the inside, then we are all good.
This, this is the tricky part. It has been proven countless times in sociology that the 3rd generation of immigrants tend to be more radical about their grandparents' homeland values than the grandparents themselves. Shortly, people are afraid of what the current immigrants will do to their country, but they should be afraid what their grandchildren will do. For all we know a mass wave of radicals might flourish, or Islamic conservatives in our west countries. I won't tell you what the 3d generation theory is exactly about, but the first generation, the ones that actually immigrated, they tend to more or less assimilate (at least they are likely to, if they don't only come for welfare and do ******** ), then they teach their kids, the 2nd generation, about those values and those kids live the modest lives along with their parents, they are still perceived as immigrants in the society but they likely to try assimilated even harder. Now the third generations faces a dilemma, where do they belong do. They are likely to live a good, not necessarily modest, life. Even though still somehow different from the rest of the society. Surprisingly a big part would choose their ancestry over the, like you said, superior culture of the country they live in, and they tend to be proud about that. Like I said, I don't know the details but I do know that this tendency has been proven. If we get past the 3rd generation barrier and don't get ravaged by these immigrants from the inside, then we are all good.
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hkkkkkk (09/10/2015) [-]
It's hard to come up with evidence because I don't really know what word to search for, but I was taught the opposite in my sociology and globalization class. Third immigration immigrants are almost always completely assimilated into the melting pot. What you are saying is something I know has happened in, say, Mexico after the Spanish colonization, when people got extremely fed up with the Spanish monarchy and took up pride of their ancestry, but it isn't the same thing.
That said, Arabs are different, and I do think they could get a little "help" by, for example, banning Burkas or polygamy.
That said, Arabs are different, and I do think they could get a little "help" by, for example, banning Burkas or polygamy.
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punxy (09/10/2015) [-]
He's right though, I live in Denmark, and we're having problems with all the generations, it's not often you meet any generation immigrant that is pleasant or has become more Danish, at least I haven't. The things you learn in class aren't always right, though I'm sure it is in most situations. But it's just not what I'm seeing in Denmark.
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hkkkkkk (09/11/2015) [-]
A third generation immigrant refers to the grandchildren of the original immigrants, how can you be so sure that ones you've met fit that description? Their grand-parents or even their parents might have crappy manners, I know because I live in Los Angeles, nobody disputes that.
I know what a third generation immigrant is. I am very sure the ones I've met fit the description. I've lived in what you'd call a ghetto, here in Denmark. Maybe 5 of the people there, were nice people, or at least people who would welcome whoever and talk to you like you're just another human, and not like you're some kind of low piece of **** not worth their time. I'm sure there are plenty of cases where it's as you say it is, but it's not like that here, unfortunately.
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elaxx (09/10/2015) [-]
The 3rd generation problem as far as I remember was registered particularly in relation to Muslim immigrants. The thing is that most of the islamic extremists that came around from the West constitute the 3rd generation of Arab immigrants. This is a widespread tendency. This doesn't mean that the whole 3rd generation are extremists, extremists make a very low % anyway. But it says that the majority of them are the 3rd generation. There were several sociological aspects to that. I can't tell much right now but I do remember hearing of this on more than one occasion. So who knows, maybe you are right, maybe I am. We both agree on burkas and polygamy though.
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hkkkkkk (09/10/2015) [-]
That must have been about, say, muslim British nationals joining ISIS. Islam, along with some of its bad elements, is extremely pervasive. I'm confident that most Muslims who are raised in first world countries are well mannered and hate violence though, unlike those raised in middle east countries.
I'm positive I've heard about the 3rd generation problem before ISIS even existed. No doubt that the Muslims raised in the West are much less likely to be extremists than those raised in the Middle East. I'm just talking about those extremists that came out of Europe. I think the 3rd generation problem doesn't affect only Muslims but other ethnics as well. But hell if I know. Like I said, maybe you're right after all. It's just that I've heard numerous times that this has been proved. That's all.
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shieldanvil (09/10/2015) [-]
you wrote a lot! but without any basis for any of it, the majority of this is Utopian fabrication with no basis on anything in the real world. In the real world simple google searches will contradict most of this.
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Dropkicksxxx (09/10/2015) [-]
Don't you send them our way, we already have over 11 million illegals here, and I'm all for immigration, if you want to be a citizen that is.
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anon (09/10/2015) [-]
"Treating them with fairness even if they themselves act unfairly". No. If someone treats you like **** will you treat them like a precious jewel? Cause if you do then they're just gonna take all they can until you get them to **** off. We can only take in so many refugees unless we want to crash our own economy. The simplest way to explain this is that if 1st world countries get too many people they'll get less money and become 2nd world countries. That might not sound so bad but if they keep getting MORE people then they'll become 3rd world countries. You know what happens in 3rd world countries? **** health, **** supplies, you'd be lucky to get paid properly, minimum wage would sink, **** , you could end up with people resorting to slavery just to make enough stuff to sell. If you don't believe me about the slavery, try researching cocoa production in the Ivory Coast as an example.
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ninjaspartan (09/10/2015) [-]
I'm sure plenty of people trying to drive down the highway to work do that on a daily basis to the crowds of refugees blocking their path.
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rockstarownage (09/10/2015) [-]
uh....i think i'd trade some refugees for some cheaper chocolate........
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herrokitteh (09/10/2015) [-]
Yeah, steadily increasing nationalism, breakdown of the state, and widespread Islamophobia pale in comparison to muh chocolate prices
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cantexplain (09/10/2015) [-]
No, they stopped dying few months ago. The ones we're talking about Now they're here, and they're not "stopping a motor way". They're burning flags and beating on people while throwing away food and water they are given.
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ninjaspartan (09/10/2015) [-]
Wow. It's like you think money just appears out of thin air.
You know that the more money they have to give to other people, the less you get, right? Expect your job to cut your hours, your pay, and your entire livelyhood because 12,000 refugees refuse to go elsewhere for their benefits.
You know that the more money they have to give to other people, the less you get, right? Expect your job to cut your hours, your pay, and your entire livelyhood because 12,000 refugees refuse to go elsewhere for their benefits.
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ninjaspartan (09/10/2015) [-]
Yeah, the fat cats that create jobs for people by building and running industries with thousands of availabilities, they just keep that cash all to themselves, right? Scrooge McDuck isn't a real life character, buddy, sorry. Refugees wouldn't complain nearly as much as you, who (hopefully) already has a job, just to have a job.
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anon (09/30/2015) [-]
Okay, before I make my point about that, I need to clarify what training I have had to say this so you can take this with as much salt as you want: I am currently studying computer science, taking entrepreneurship as a minor (basically a business minor with a focus on managing small business, in which human resources was my favorite class and the topic of machines was present several times), and come from a family of accountants. I love high-tech equipment and have worked in a warehouse with some pretty high-cost production machines for two years.
Machines have an initial buy-in cost that is quite high, yes. They also often require maintenance on a regular (not necessarily occasional) basis to ensure that they are in proper working order. If a production process is being temporarily suspended, such as to accommodate for market changes in different seasons (happens in agriculture), then the machines in that initial product line will just sit around unless they can be repurposed, which takes more set up time and cost. In addition, machines can only really do a couple things, and that's it.
Humans can learn, adapt, be moved around an organization, use their own creativity and ingenuity, and can also act as free marketing by telling others about how happy they are to work with their company (or act as negative press if they are not happy). In addition, you are assuming that employees are seen only as a cost to the company, and not an investment. Cost implies that it is a required use of money that cuts back on company profits, which means employees are often untrained and cut back on at the slightest opportunity. Investment implies that you are putting money into your employees to get something in return, in this case the productivity of the employee and access to their skills.
Those fat cats got fat because they learned to work with people and use their skills to their advantage. They made products and services that customers were happy to trade their money for. They have top men and women working for them to ensure their company's continued growth.
Employees are not a cost to any company that continues to succeed. They are investments, better in many ways than machines. Machines can be used to augment your employee's productivity, but the intangible benefits of an employee are far more important than a simple machine. We can handle the unexpected, act of our own accord, and benefit any organization we work for if we want. Machines cannot handle unexpected situations, cannot act of their own accord, require human ingenuity to organize and maintain, and attribute to a company only as efficient manual labour.
TL;DR, fat cats are not always douchebags, humans >>> machines because humans can adapt, employees are investments not costs, companies get rich by taking advantage of the knowledge and skills of their employees.
Machines have an initial buy-in cost that is quite high, yes. They also often require maintenance on a regular (not necessarily occasional) basis to ensure that they are in proper working order. If a production process is being temporarily suspended, such as to accommodate for market changes in different seasons (happens in agriculture), then the machines in that initial product line will just sit around unless they can be repurposed, which takes more set up time and cost. In addition, machines can only really do a couple things, and that's it.
Humans can learn, adapt, be moved around an organization, use their own creativity and ingenuity, and can also act as free marketing by telling others about how happy they are to work with their company (or act as negative press if they are not happy). In addition, you are assuming that employees are seen only as a cost to the company, and not an investment. Cost implies that it is a required use of money that cuts back on company profits, which means employees are often untrained and cut back on at the slightest opportunity. Investment implies that you are putting money into your employees to get something in return, in this case the productivity of the employee and access to their skills.
Those fat cats got fat because they learned to work with people and use their skills to their advantage. They made products and services that customers were happy to trade their money for. They have top men and women working for them to ensure their company's continued growth.
Employees are not a cost to any company that continues to succeed. They are investments, better in many ways than machines. Machines can be used to augment your employee's productivity, but the intangible benefits of an employee are far more important than a simple machine. We can handle the unexpected, act of our own accord, and benefit any organization we work for if we want. Machines cannot handle unexpected situations, cannot act of their own accord, require human ingenuity to organize and maintain, and attribute to a company only as efficient manual labour.
TL;DR, fat cats are not always douchebags, humans >>> machines because humans can adapt, employees are investments not costs, companies get rich by taking advantage of the knowledge and skills of their employees.
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burytia (09/30/2015) [-]
yes i know humans can learn and have skills but again.... in the long run a machine costs less and can be more steadily productive
a machine can work lal day long,... in most countries a human can legally be expected to work only so many hours a day, yes there are some employers that push that boundary, but still...a human needs to rest at some point, while a machine can work non stop for 24 hours with no breaks or shifts ending
if a machine gets damaged it can be repaired or replaced, humans who get injured require healthcare which means they cannot work till healed and cost for medical treatment
plus machines can do jobs with a greater degree of hazard than humans.....OSHA regulations mean humans have to have additional costs for safety gear and training, and checkups to ensure they are not being harmed by the work environment....machines can safely work in dangerous temperatures, with hazardous chemicals, and other unsafe elements aroudn them without threat of harm impeding their ability to operate
a machine can work lal day long,... in most countries a human can legally be expected to work only so many hours a day, yes there are some employers that push that boundary, but still...a human needs to rest at some point, while a machine can work non stop for 24 hours with no breaks or shifts ending
if a machine gets damaged it can be repaired or replaced, humans who get injured require healthcare which means they cannot work till healed and cost for medical treatment
plus machines can do jobs with a greater degree of hazard than humans.....OSHA regulations mean humans have to have additional costs for safety gear and training, and checkups to ensure they are not being harmed by the work environment....machines can safely work in dangerous temperatures, with hazardous chemicals, and other unsafe elements aroudn them without threat of harm impeding their ability to operate
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ninjaspartan (09/10/2015) [-]
"Cheaper machines" aka immigrants who work for cheaper. Difference is you don't see those guys complaining about losing a job, only the ones that already have one. Not to say that that's any better. But it's true.
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burytia (09/10/2015) [-]
migrants and automation
migrants may work for **** all and be unlikely to ask for pay rises and keep working for **** forever just as long as they keep the job but theres still healthcare and other things they have to pay out for employees, whereas machines just need an initial cost to buy and then occasional inspections for maintenance, overall cheaper than having to pay workers regularly
migrants may work for **** all and be unlikely to ask for pay rises and keep working for **** forever just as long as they keep the job but theres still healthcare and other things they have to pay out for employees, whereas machines just need an initial cost to buy and then occasional inspections for maintenance, overall cheaper than having to pay workers regularly
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junkdestroyer (09/10/2015) [-]
If you don't like that why do you want to let the refugees get away with it too?
Honestly, I read a few things from you and you have no ideia how the world runs. I'm all for helping the next, but only if the next is not going to screw me over for ****** sake. There is no lie in saying that the "fat cats" are corrupt as **** , but they don't destabilize the lives of people in such way, the refugees are creating poverty by just going to a new country, where they are paid, don't have to pay taxes and ******* refuse to follow the country's laws. When I'm invited to a friend's house for whatever reason, I respect his rules and I don't go arround eating all of his food because it's his ******* house, and if I did that I wouldn't be invited again. This what the refugees are, they have no respect for your rules and will leech you dry.
Honestly, I read a few things from you and you have no ideia how the world runs. I'm all for helping the next, but only if the next is not going to screw me over for ****** sake. There is no lie in saying that the "fat cats" are corrupt as **** , but they don't destabilize the lives of people in such way, the refugees are creating poverty by just going to a new country, where they are paid, don't have to pay taxes and ******* refuse to follow the country's laws. When I'm invited to a friend's house for whatever reason, I respect his rules and I don't go arround eating all of his food because it's his ******* house, and if I did that I wouldn't be invited again. This what the refugees are, they have no respect for your rules and will leech you dry.
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ninjaspartan (09/10/2015) [-]
Really? You're talking about an online corporation that hosts other companies on their own website to sell online. Amazon hires immigrants to answer their phones for pete's sake. It's called tax exemption, and their indian customer service representatives get bigger paychecks for it. All companies have that so that you can buy tinfoil hats for five dollars instead of twenty. You want the price of lunchables to go through the roof? Protest big wig tax "evasion." I dare ya.
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deaminzaints (09/10/2015) [-]
mofo, if people cant get to work, work cant be done. if work cant be done, money cant be made. if money cant be made, the companies cant pay tax nor pay employees who also pay tax. if no tax can be payed, no benefits can be given to refugees anyways.
if you halt the productivity of a country, you dont get sympathy.
we've been helping these ************* for centouries now and they still get pissed at us for not erecting mosks and conforming to their religious believes.
these ************* wanna go to sweden which allready has a huge problem with muslim ghetto's where the crime rate is skyhigh and ***** dangerous.
**** OFF WITH YOU PC BS "PPLZ ARES OF TEH DYINGS!!!"
educate yourself:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPjzfGChGlE
if you halt the productivity of a country, you dont get sympathy.
we've been helping these ************* for centouries now and they still get pissed at us for not erecting mosks and conforming to their religious believes.
these ************* wanna go to sweden which allready has a huge problem with muslim ghetto's where the crime rate is skyhigh and ***** dangerous.
**** OFF WITH YOU PC BS "PPLZ ARES OF TEH DYINGS!!!"
educate yourself:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPjzfGChGlE
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anon (09/13/2015) [-]
So you can't argue with the numbers, so you complain about the source. One of the big problems with liberals is they go by their emotions and personal reasoning ability. Once you look at the numbers though, all your emotional arguments, and personal philosophy BS goes right out the window. That's why it's so important to quantify things, and that video is dumbed down enough for even a liberal to understand it.
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deaminzaints (09/10/2015) [-]
>"do something for someone else for a change"
mofo what you think we've been doing for the last 15+ years? we've been giving them just about ANYTHING they've demanded and yet they werent satisfied.
now even more assholes are coming who want free **** whether they need to take it or have it handed to them.
stfu about victim "complex". we spent millions on them and the only result is that they brag about it to their friends so we gotta spend even more millions on them.
sure, some will intergrate. some will pay back their due. but the amount of income compared to the output in this matter is teeny tiny.
get of your ********* and learn some **** .
mofo what you think we've been doing for the last 15+ years? we've been giving them just about ANYTHING they've demanded and yet they werent satisfied.
now even more assholes are coming who want free **** whether they need to take it or have it handed to them.
stfu about victim "complex". we spent millions on them and the only result is that they brag about it to their friends so we gotta spend even more millions on them.
sure, some will intergrate. some will pay back their due. but the amount of income compared to the output in this matter is teeny tiny.
get of your ********* and learn some **** .
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ninjaspartan (09/10/2015) [-]
Now you listen here Pip Pip, a racist mind is a racist kind. You take that to sleep with you tonight, because I know it's not gonna change hearts and minds in a day--you don't give a man a peanut and expect him to have a farm the next day--but it's alright. It's alright. One day we wil all be equil on this earth; until then imma give you a kiss Muffin.
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larfang (09/10/2015) [-]
Thank you for making my morning. still hung over so this was nice to see. Btw if you ever go to Amsterdam don't go the Banana show... 60 euro for bitches just sitting there saying they won't dance unless you give them more money and you only get an hour there with unlimited ****** watered down drinks sorry about this long and unrelated post but I needed you understan the gravity of how ****** my night was and my morning so thanks man
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Zarakima (09/10/2015) [-]
I know everyone who doesn't have an 'anti refugee' position here is getting thumbed down to **** but I agree - even though we shouldn't necessarily be forking out so much dough, I find it funny seeing people complaining about the Syrians causing traffic & being 'rude, arrogant & entitled' - their problems are one hundredfold that of all the whining westerners and they're getting treated like illegal immigrants when they're war refugees.
"Oh no, look at all these Jews coming to the country, they're just here to ruin it for us, send them back to Germany" ~ a 1940s American
You ******* think these refugees are the people who are gonna **** up the country and make you poorer? You can already thank Wall Street & your politicians for that...
"Oh no, look at all these Jews coming to the country, they're just here to ruin it for us, send them back to Germany" ~ a 1940s American
You ******* think these refugees are the people who are gonna **** up the country and make you poorer? You can already thank Wall Street & your politicians for that...
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anon (09/10/2015) [-]
I guess some people don't understand being forced to leave your home country and struggle to just live a normal life. With the understanding that the immigrants are acting sometimes poorly I still think it should be expected given they just want to get away from war and live a normal life and they just freakin left their home country and everything they knew behind for safety.
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punxy (09/10/2015) [-]
Do you have any idea of how tax works? The only reason they can get any benefits at all, is because the Danish people pay as much in taxes as they do, if they didn't there would be no benefits for these people. We can't have that many refugees here, without cutting their benefits significantly, unless we want to give up our free health care, and our free school and other such wonderful things we get from all the money we pay in taxes.
Now I'm not saying they shouldn't come here, but honestly I don't think they should be getting more money than a student on SU (the benefits a student gets from the state, for studying so they can focus on their studies, so the country can get competent and good workers to pay even more taxes), which they have in the past. They have also passed through a number of other countries, where there is no war, where they could have gotten registered.
Though a lot of them don't seem to care that much about just getting to a safer place, but where they can get the highest benefits. If they did only care about getting somewhere safe, they would settle for the first peaceful country they got to that has room for them, which they obviously don't.
Now I'm not saying they shouldn't come here, but honestly I don't think they should be getting more money than a student on SU (the benefits a student gets from the state, for studying so they can focus on their studies, so the country can get competent and good workers to pay even more taxes), which they have in the past. They have also passed through a number of other countries, where there is no war, where they could have gotten registered.
Though a lot of them don't seem to care that much about just getting to a safer place, but where they can get the highest benefits. If they did only care about getting somewhere safe, they would settle for the first peaceful country they got to that has room for them, which they obviously don't.
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sakagamitomoyo (09/10/2015) [-]
I don't know which country you are from, but in most countries tax money is the money the state have at hand, meaning that you and your neighbour does in fact pay
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sakagamitomoyo (09/10/2015) [-]
I see that. I just wanted to point out that it is "We" and not "The government" that pays them
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ohkirby (09/10/2015) [-]
I'd rather my taxes go towards the free healthcare for MY fellow citizens, get put into the education system, and go towards the lower income families who struggle to feed their children. I'd rather our taxes go towards something that will actually help move my country forward. By taking on free loaders and angry ass hats, a country will not accomplish anything.
www.barenakedislam.com/2015/09/08/heartbreaking-residents-on-the-greek-island-of-lesbos-are-being-terrorized-by-the-flood-of-muslim-invaders-pouring-in-everyday/ - in case you missed that video another user posted, here it is once again. I feel ******* awful for those citizens but who cares right? After all, as long as they're helping those disrespectful little twats then life is perfect and happy for everyone, right? Who cares if their lives are being ruined by **** that's completely unrelated to them?
"The report from the Vancouver-based think tank found that last year, the average Canadian family spent 42.1 per cent of its income on taxes and 36.6 per cent on basic necessities. The average family in that year made $79,010 and paid $33,272 in total taxes while spending just $28,887 on food, clothing and shelter combined." www.bnn.ca/News/2015/8/27/Canadian-families-spend-more-on-taxes-than-food-shelter-Report.aspx So would it be racist because I don't want my friends, family, or self to pay more and suffer more for taking in refugees? We already pay more in taxes than the **** we need to ******* LIVE. Sure, they could not raise taxes LOL then dip into Canada's funding for education and healthcare. Because helping people is more important than a country's citizens, right?
I don't see how the **** you can sit there and preach about helping people when you're sitting on ******* Funnyjunk. How about you go to those poor ass refugees and give them a hand personally? Go build some shelters for them but make sure it's of the finest quality because apparently if it's not good enough they're gonna bitch and moan about it you lazy puss filled dick blister.
Quite frankly when I hear about refugees ******* drowning I don't even give a **** anymore. Go ahead, try and get to a place where you can leech more money instead of somewhere that offers you a SAFE place to live.
Come at me reds, I ain't scared
www.barenakedislam.com/2015/09/08/heartbreaking-residents-on-the-greek-island-of-lesbos-are-being-terrorized-by-the-flood-of-muslim-invaders-pouring-in-everyday/ - in case you missed that video another user posted, here it is once again. I feel ******* awful for those citizens but who cares right? After all, as long as they're helping those disrespectful little twats then life is perfect and happy for everyone, right? Who cares if their lives are being ruined by **** that's completely unrelated to them?
"The report from the Vancouver-based think tank found that last year, the average Canadian family spent 42.1 per cent of its income on taxes and 36.6 per cent on basic necessities. The average family in that year made $79,010 and paid $33,272 in total taxes while spending just $28,887 on food, clothing and shelter combined." www.bnn.ca/News/2015/8/27/Canadian-families-spend-more-on-taxes-than-food-shelter-Report.aspx So would it be racist because I don't want my friends, family, or self to pay more and suffer more for taking in refugees? We already pay more in taxes than the **** we need to ******* LIVE. Sure, they could not raise taxes LOL then dip into Canada's funding for education and healthcare. Because helping people is more important than a country's citizens, right?
I don't see how the **** you can sit there and preach about helping people when you're sitting on ******* Funnyjunk. How about you go to those poor ass refugees and give them a hand personally? Go build some shelters for them but make sure it's of the finest quality because apparently if it's not good enough they're gonna bitch and moan about it you lazy puss filled dick blister.
Quite frankly when I hear about refugees ******* drowning I don't even give a **** anymore. Go ahead, try and get to a place where you can leech more money instead of somewhere that offers you a SAFE place to live.
Come at me reds, I ain't scared
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captainpooters (09/10/2015) [-]
people who sit around and dont work and demand food and water aren't entitled to anything especially even if that was in their own country , even though i'm middle eastern i cannot blame europe for not sheltering refugees , besides any nation must care for their people before any one else
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quantumwaffle (09/10/2015) [-]
Yes we, as the money they get comes from taxes, which guess what, comes from the hard working people of the country, not the free loading refugees.
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spidahridah (09/10/2015) [-]
I've been outside all day/morning. Just got back inside for lunch. What is your point?
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spidahridah (09/10/2015) [-]
I don't know where the **** you're from, but where I live we work hard for everything we have.
Furthermore, please do kill yourself.
Furthermore, please do kill yourself.
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spidahridah (09/10/2015) [-]
If you were a part of the working middle class you'd know why this situation is ******* us over. You go outside. And get a job/education.
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spidahridah (09/10/2015) [-]
le you're ignorant and unproductive meme. Stop eating all the BS corporatists are feeding you.
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andywazowski (09/10/2015) [-]
You know what, you can think whatever the **** you want, I don't really care. But I think you are missing the point of my post.
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NoobPlease (09/10/2015) [-]
Dude, you talk so much **** , I dont know if your joking or if your serious. Either way keep up the good work.
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zandersave (09/10/2015) [-]
You guys act like its money down the drain. If they spend it in Danish shops it's not going to waste. Its still in the economy. The country wont become poorer, the government will just have to rebudget or reduce expenditure. Oh no, they cant repair that highway for the 200th time, tragic.
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andywazowski (09/10/2015) [-]
Well no, you seem to have missed my point, what I'm saying is, I hate that some people expect us to keep giving refugees the same amount of money. We can't keep giving away a huge ammount of food and shelter if people keep flooding in, it's just not possible.
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zandersave (09/10/2015) [-]
If Jordan and other Middle eastern countries can take in MILLIONS of refugees then you cant possibly say that oh so rich Denmark cant take a few tens of thousands. Sure, cut the benefits, but you can't kick them out as so many recommend.
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andywazowski (09/10/2015) [-]
No I agree, but people need to stop bitching about us cuting down on the benfits they get.
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hkkkkkk (09/10/2015) [-]
To be honest, this is mostly a problem about Islam. We all know this. That religion just seems extremely toxic to me, and I don't think you should be called a racists for raising concerns about it. I have known a lot of people who come from arabic Countries and they are nice... But the way they treat women, all the double standards involved, are just really unsettling.
I wouldn't call this a religious issue. Christians, Muslims and Jews share the same God. It's entirely cultural, and there should be no shame in exclaiming that our culture is simply vastly superior to theirs. We all know Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Qatar, etc would be ********* if it wasn't for the massive amounts of natural resources that they posses. They do not represent the pinnacle of Arab culture, they are just the lucky ones.
What I do not like is when people (look at the comments here) reduce themselves to savages and claim they should be exterminated. That's just highly hypocritical. We should lead by example, not devolve ourselves into that which we hate.
That said, refugees are refugees and they must be taken care of in an organized manner. Whatever the **** is going on at the moment is not how it should be done, considering the clear national security dangers these refugees present. I have no doubt that some of them are ISIS sympathizers.
I wouldn't call this a religious issue. Christians, Muslims and Jews share the same God. It's entirely cultural, and there should be no shame in exclaiming that our culture is simply vastly superior to theirs. We all know Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Qatar, etc would be ********* if it wasn't for the massive amounts of natural resources that they posses. They do not represent the pinnacle of Arab culture, they are just the lucky ones.
What I do not like is when people (look at the comments here) reduce themselves to savages and claim they should be exterminated. That's just highly hypocritical. We should lead by example, not devolve ourselves into that which we hate.
That said, refugees are refugees and they must be taken care of in an organized manner. Whatever the **** is going on at the moment is not how it should be done, considering the clear national security dangers these refugees present. I have no doubt that some of them are ISIS sympathizers.
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yamikun (09/10/2015) [-]
Some of them don't even need the money. I am from greece and i was at peireus yesterdaty (athens port) and i happened to be there at the same time they were unloading "refuges" from mitilini a greek island they illegaly head to from the oh so war torn Turkey and they were happily taking selfies with iphones... no sad starving people just people acting like they were on vacation...
Sorry i don't have any sympathy for refugees when there are greeks searching through the garbage for food. Yet our great government decides to give shelters with free wifi to refugees because those poor poor people can't live without facebook. Because why not? Its not like we need the money right? We only owe to half the planet lets go for 100%.
I wish we had the balls australia had to say "hey you cross into our waters illegally we will sink you "
Sorry i don't have any sympathy for refugees when there are greeks searching through the garbage for food. Yet our great government decides to give shelters with free wifi to refugees because those poor poor people can't live without facebook. Because why not? Its not like we need the money right? We only owe to half the planet lets go for 100%.
I wish we had the balls australia had to say "hey you cross into our waters illegally we will sink you "
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thelizardlord (09/09/2015) [-]
I feel you brother. I mean if they were grateful that you've taken them in it would be one thing, but they're not.
If they were grateful and said that they'd honor the laws of their protectors it'd be a whole different story.
And I don't mean they should bow down to every white man they see and kiss his feet, I mean NOT ACTING LIKE TODDLERS THROWING A TANTRUM AT THE STORE BECAUSE THEIR MOM WON'T LET THEM THAT NEW LEGO TOY.
And I personally think unless you personally plan to house refuges in your own home or at some other property you own, you shouldn't go on facebook posting "Refuges welcome" just to seem like an open-minded person.
But yeah, this is funnyjunk, not facebook or tumblr I am pretty sure no one is going to call you a racist, and see you on the front page.
If they were grateful and said that they'd honor the laws of their protectors it'd be a whole different story.
And I don't mean they should bow down to every white man they see and kiss his feet, I mean NOT ACTING LIKE TODDLERS THROWING A TANTRUM AT THE STORE BECAUSE THEIR MOM WON'T LET THEM THAT NEW LEGO TOY.
And I personally think unless you personally plan to house refuges in your own home or at some other property you own, you shouldn't go on facebook posting "Refuges welcome" just to seem like an open-minded person.
But yeah, this is funnyjunk, not facebook or tumblr I am pretty sure no one is going to call you a racist, and see you on the front page.
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heartlessrobot (09/10/2015) [-]
No, no, the Invasion of Europe is quite something to worry about.
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itsapirateslife (09/10/2015) [-]
it IS a generalization though. "look some refugees do this, therefore they must all be like this". That's ******** and you know it. As if those thousands of syrians are the same. yes theres probably entitled people there too and the stupid **** they do is always noticed. nothing new here. been always like that, not only with this refugee crisis. Putting them all in the same ******* box is wrong. there are many many many good people/syrians whi just want a better life for them and their families, nothing wrong with that. so bugger off with ' **** them" THATS disgusting
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nachobeldavid (09/10/2015) [-]
They're generally degenerates.
There's your generalization.
There's your generalization.
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itsapirateslife (09/10/2015) [-]
that's your opinion, and it's based on nothing.
way to go retard.
way to go retard.
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nachobeldavid (09/10/2015) [-]
lol mudslinging is the sign of a defeated debater. I never had any intentions of arguing with some internet ***************** on ethics and human rights.
But I'm just going to assume you're a bleeding heart libtard.
Kill yourself.
But I'm just going to assume you're a bleeding heart libtard.
Kill yourself.
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itsapirateslife (09/10/2015) [-]
(not only based on nothing, also short sighted, black/white, and showing a big lack of brain cells)
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nachobeldavid (09/10/2015) [-]
If you want to help them, log off and go help. Stop trying to defend them on the internet, you useless **** .
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itsapirateslife (09/10/2015) [-]
My blood ******* boils when i see people like you, couldn't help it. hf being a massive cunt for the rest of your life
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itsapirateslife (09/11/2015) [-]
If 'growing up' means acknowledging and being ok with idiots then no thanks i'll pass.
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nachobeldavid (09/11/2015) [-]
Okay, so you won't grow up. Consider suicide. Its your only option.
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itsapirateslife (09/11/2015) [-]
Riiight, telling people to kill themselves is definitely the grown-up thing to do mister grownup. What is wrong with you?
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nachobeldavid (09/11/2015) [-]
I'm only 13, I got time, mister.
However, if you keep proving yourself to be retarded, you might not be able to purchase a gun. Stop talking, head on down to that pawn shop nearby, buy yourself a nice little single barrel shotty, and do everyone a favor.
However, if you keep proving yourself to be retarded, you might not be able to purchase a gun. Stop talking, head on down to that pawn shop nearby, buy yourself a nice little single barrel shotty, and do everyone a favor.
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itsapirateslife (09/11/2015) [-]
Oh that explains a lot, sorry kiddo. And stop saying stuff like that or your mommy will be angry.
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nachobeldavid (09/11/2015) [-]
My mom left before I was born, so I do what I want. However, you have no excuse for being a thick-headed reject.
Self-mutilation, maybe? Start buy removing your fingers.
Self-mutilation, maybe? Start buy removing your fingers.
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cantexplain (09/10/2015) [-]
I thing I got this. What is a tumblr user? I mean you not thelizardlord -.- he's cool. And smart
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levvy (09/10/2015) [-]
>>#22,
Imperialism is what got you the refugees in the first place.
The West trys to force its way on people who want nothing to do with them
Befor NATO and the EU/USA bombed Syria there was no refugees. You did it to yourself.
Putin tried to stop you but you bombed Syria anyway. Also the West funed these terror groups in the 80's.
So **** you. For not stoping your braindead rightist warmongering leaders.
Слава России
Imperialism is what got you the refugees in the first place.
The West trys to force its way on people who want nothing to do with them
Befor NATO and the EU/USA bombed Syria there was no refugees. You did it to yourself.
Putin tried to stop you but you bombed Syria anyway. Also the West funed these terror groups in the 80's.
So **** you. For not stoping your braindead rightist warmongering leaders.
Слава России
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KBD (09/10/2015) [-]
If you have some sort of magical future-sight device that can show us which groups will eventually turn funding and war support against those providing it 30 years in the future I implore you to share it with the rest of the world, because nobody ******* has that.
Beyond that, yes, there was some national policing by the US against Syria, but it was to level the playing field for the already underhanded Syrian army because somehow the rebels got a hold of heavy American/Chinese machinery through the black market and it needed to be answered.
Still gives no excuse for only 19% of the refugee's pouring in to actually have identifiable Syrian citizenship, whereas everyone else is basically Afghani/African/Pakistani/Bangladeshi scammers chucking their ID and everything to sneak in to countries with benefits to take advantage and milk a system like pathetic lazy swine.
Beyond that, yes, there was some national policing by the US against Syria, but it was to level the playing field for the already underhanded Syrian army because somehow the rebels got a hold of heavy American/Chinese machinery through the black market and it needed to be answered.
Still gives no excuse for only 19% of the refugee's pouring in to actually have identifiable Syrian citizenship, whereas everyone else is basically Afghani/African/Pakistani/Bangladeshi scammers chucking their ID and everything to sneak in to countries with benefits to take advantage and milk a system like pathetic lazy swine.
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peterdivine (09/10/2015) [-]
I must apologize for levvy. He is an idiot.
His parents purposely raised him wrong as a joke.
His parents purposely raised him wrong as a joke.
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thebluedream ONLINE (09/10/2015) [-]
To be fair he does have a point about Assad, I mean yes he is a prick who deserves to wiped from the earth. However, if I had to choose him or these rebels right now I would totally pick him. Sometimes you have to go with the lesser of two evils, and you are right as well the US had no way of knowing that these groups would turn on us after we helped them.
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fatminion ONLINE (09/10/2015) [-]
A rational, progressive Russian? On Funny Junk ?!?!?! You speak the truth that nobody wants to hear. Hell, Nick Cage even played in that movie about how corrupt the gun industry is and how war is good for Western economy. I just don't think Putin is really any better, what with annexing the best parts of Georgia and Ukraine and trying to get the Soviet Union back together - that, and all the political corruption and essentially his dictatorship.
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funnyhard (09/10/2015) [-]
So glad people still believe this ******** their Western propaganda is feeding them. Silly, get your facts straight, Russia didn't annex **** , neither in Georgia nor in Ukraine. Georgia attacked regions that historically don't have nothing to do with it (but were added to Georgia by Stalin) all because the NATO wanted some heat on Russia's border. Russia helped Abkhazia and South Ossetia fight back Georgia's attack and now these two regions are independent. And again, Crimea came back to Russia after a peaceful referendum, that was held after a fully democratically legitimate president was chased away by terrorists who are still supported by US/EU.
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fatminion ONLINE (09/10/2015) [-]
so glad the Ruskies sill believe the ******** propaganda their fascist government feeds them. You don't live in a democracy, your government lies to you. Putin was ineligible for a third term, so they had Dmitry Medvedev elected and then he appointed Putin in his place. That, my friend, is corruption - NOT democracy.
Georgia and Urkaine have existed since before the USSR. When that happened, Russia took over so many countries. Only after the fall of the Iron Curtain could these once-nations claim back their original territory. And even after they did and won their independence from Russia, the Ruskies ******* invaded the prime coastal areas:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation_of_Crimea_by_the_Russian_Federation
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupied_territories_of_Georgia
Those are not Russua, and the Crimea doesn't even really touch Russia - they ******* occupied those territories because wealthy Russian Borgeois didn't want to give up their beach houses after the fall of the Soviet Union. You can't simply occupy/annex a country, then give it back (or have it taken away from you), then occupy or annex a part of the country again claiming it was once yours. It was never yours. **** Russia, seriously.
Georgia and Urkaine have existed since before the USSR. When that happened, Russia took over so many countries. Only after the fall of the Iron Curtain could these once-nations claim back their original territory. And even after they did and won their independence from Russia, the Ruskies ******* invaded the prime coastal areas:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation_of_Crimea_by_the_Russian_Federation
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupied_territories_of_Georgia
Those are not Russua, and the Crimea doesn't even really touch Russia - they ******* occupied those territories because wealthy Russian Borgeois didn't want to give up their beach houses after the fall of the Soviet Union. You can't simply occupy/annex a country, then give it back (or have it taken away from you), then occupy or annex a part of the country again claiming it was once yours. It was never yours. **** Russia, seriously.
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funnyhard (09/10/2015) [-]
Seriously, kid, get your head out of your stupid ass. Again, I don't know, maybe you simply CAN'T understand that Russia didn't invade anything but that's your own problem and I already written before what happened. And btw The only fascists are in Washington that are attacking other countries (Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria etc.) who don't want to participate in their world-wide-Dollar-game. Paranoia about evil Russians strikes deep, I feel very sorry for you. Of course Russia is evil, CNN said so, nothing but the truth because the US need an opponent otherwise they have to face their own problems. Please, continue living in your dumbass Western dream.
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fatminion ONLINE (09/10/2015) [-]
bro, I gave you two Wikipedia, peer-reviewed, internationally-acclaimed articles saying that Russia occupies territories of Georgia and they Annexed Crimea!!! Unless you can provide a trustworthy article that says otherwise, that is what I will choose to believe.
Steel fuel can't jet melt beams. But in Soviet Russia, steel beams melt you!
Steel fuel can't jet melt beams. But in Soviet Russia, steel beams melt you!
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funnyhard (09/10/2015) [-]
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/georgia/6247620/EU-blames-Georgia-for-starting-war-with-Russia.html
Your Crimea article says it, a referendum was held which led the independent peninsula Crimea (and Sevastopol) to decide upon its own future after the illegitimate Ukrainian regime-change. Its people decided to rejoin Russia to be safe. Who are you to decline their vote? If you really believe it's occupied, well, then the US should return occupied Texas and Hawaii as well. Not to mention Kosovo.
Your Crimea article says it, a referendum was held which led the independent peninsula Crimea (and Sevastopol) to decide upon its own future after the illegitimate Ukrainian regime-change. Its people decided to rejoin Russia to be safe. Who are you to decline their vote? If you really believe it's occupied, well, then the US should return occupied Texas and Hawaii as well. Not to mention Kosovo.
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fatminion ONLINE (09/10/2015) [-]
they did not vote. Only 30% of Crimeans even voted, and only half of them voted to go to Russia. There were so many allegations of fraud, and even a Russian journalist admitted she voted even though she doesn't live in Crimea:
www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderickgregory/2014/05/05/putins-human-rights-council-accidentally-posts-real-crimean-election-results-only-15-voted-for-annexation/
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_status_referendum,_2014#Allegations_of_fraud
You can't always believe what you hear/see/read, so you have to do some research. Wikipedia is usually a good start because it's non-biased and peer-reviewed around the world. You can check all the sources yourself. I try avoiding click-bait websites like UpWorthy or whatever, and stay away from fly-by-night sensationalist journalism who just post stories to get page hits.
I did some digging on the The Daily Telegraph, and it would seem there are allegations that Russian news agencies pay them 900,000GBP/yr. to include their stories in their publication: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Daily_Telegraph#Speculation_that_news_coverage_was_influenced_by_advertisers
Do your research, man. I would love to believe that Russia isn't that bad, and the people aren't necessarily any worse than Americans, but it is not a free democracy. There is corruption at every corner, they fake everything to outsiders so we might think everything's OK there, but we know what free press and objective journalism is and we can see through the lies. I hope you can, in time, too.
Just read about the Georgo-Russian war: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Georgian_War
Georgia had their independence from USSR/Russia in 1991. There were some separatists who were basically Russians living in Georgia, and it ended up that there were two territories where the separitists, Georgian and Russian military all ended up occupying. There was a brief war 1991-1992, and the outcome was simply everyone living there, but technically it was Georgia (and technically Russian-backed separatists).
Anywho, on 1 August, 2008, the separatist army shelled some Georgian villages. They ******* started it. And of course Mother Russia had their backs, because they didn't want to lose all that sweet coastline and the beautiful mountains. Technically today they are independent territories, but the Russian military has their back and two days after the two states were given "independence" from Russia, they signed an agreement to let them be occupied by Russian military. That, my friend, is a load of ********** . The separatists took the land from Georgia right after Georgia got its independence, allied with Russia, then just plain old took it under the guise of "hey, we want military occupation". It's ********* , man, and you know it.
www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderickgregory/2014/05/05/putins-human-rights-council-accidentally-posts-real-crimean-election-results-only-15-voted-for-annexation/
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_status_referendum,_2014#Allegations_of_fraud
You can't always believe what you hear/see/read, so you have to do some research. Wikipedia is usually a good start because it's non-biased and peer-reviewed around the world. You can check all the sources yourself. I try avoiding click-bait websites like UpWorthy or whatever, and stay away from fly-by-night sensationalist journalism who just post stories to get page hits.
I did some digging on the The Daily Telegraph, and it would seem there are allegations that Russian news agencies pay them 900,000GBP/yr. to include their stories in their publication: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Daily_Telegraph#Speculation_that_news_coverage_was_influenced_by_advertisers
Do your research, man. I would love to believe that Russia isn't that bad, and the people aren't necessarily any worse than Americans, but it is not a free democracy. There is corruption at every corner, they fake everything to outsiders so we might think everything's OK there, but we know what free press and objective journalism is and we can see through the lies. I hope you can, in time, too.
Just read about the Georgo-Russian war: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Georgian_War
Georgia had their independence from USSR/Russia in 1991. There were some separatists who were basically Russians living in Georgia, and it ended up that there were two territories where the separitists, Georgian and Russian military all ended up occupying. There was a brief war 1991-1992, and the outcome was simply everyone living there, but technically it was Georgia (and technically Russian-backed separatists).
Anywho, on 1 August, 2008, the separatist army shelled some Georgian villages. They ******* started it. And of course Mother Russia had their backs, because they didn't want to lose all that sweet coastline and the beautiful mountains. Technically today they are independent territories, but the Russian military has their back and two days after the two states were given "independence" from Russia, they signed an agreement to let them be occupied by Russian military. That, my friend, is a load of ********** . The separatists took the land from Georgia right after Georgia got its independence, allied with Russia, then just plain old took it under the guise of "hey, we want military occupation". It's ********* , man, and you know it.
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fatminion ONLINE (09/10/2015) [-]
and for the record, I agree the US shouldn't occupy any country. But Texas voted to be in the Union, as did Hawaii (that's to debate, but it's too late now and nobody's really pissed off at the Americans for bringing in billions of tourism money each year).
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anon (09/10/2015) [-]
You can't bitch about "imperialism" then claim these people should be accepted into European countries. Either you think they should be ruled over by European governments or you don't. If Europeans are going to have to take responsibility for them, then they might as well take responsibility for them in their own countries.
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levvy (09/10/2015) [-]
>then claim these people should be accepted into European countries
I never claimed the EU should take in refugees.
I just think it's funny how all these EU/NATO Satellite States are so fast to invade the Middle East. And then wonder why these countrys have refugees wanting to leave the war NATO started. It's ironic.
Western imperialism is cancer.
If you stop that. The refugees will stop coming.
All I have to do is wait....
I never claimed the EU should take in refugees.
I just think it's funny how all these EU/NATO Satellite States are so fast to invade the Middle East. And then wonder why these countrys have refugees wanting to leave the war NATO started. It's ironic.
Western imperialism is cancer.
If you stop that. The refugees will stop coming.
All I have to do is wait....
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funnyhard (09/10/2015) [-]
Dunno why you getting red thumbs, son, USA's silly wars ****** up Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and Syria and most of the European countries were okay with that and even ****** them up, too. So now they can take care of the consequences. Y'all thought this was a ******* game far far away? Poeple lived there and then came the US and ****** their home up. Can't believe how stupid people are not to see what led to those refugees.
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kristovsky (09/10/2015) [-]
Yeah because Russia has NEVER invaded the middle east, and it's not like Russia has tens of secret proxy wars being waged in neighbouring states as we speak or anything.
You're not even a good troll levvy why haven't you killed yourself yet?
You're not even a good troll levvy why haven't you killed yourself yet?
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thelizardlord (09/09/2015) [-]
You've been on this site since 2012 you should have figured out how the site works by now.
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satansferret (09/10/2015) [-]
I've noticed quite an "awakening" in quite a few members lately. It's almost like they're not regurgitating information anymore and actually look at situations. The US users have always had a thing about mexicans and such. Now the Eastern side is experiencing it.
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nemesisapoc (09/09/2015) [-]
As a Texan, I can relate to you, but your country has it a whole lot worse than Texas. Our illegal immigrant problem has been a slow trickle and you're experiencing a flood.
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wtfduud (09/10/2015) [-]
The European immigrants have a whole different mindset. It's a case of "Go into this country, get as much free money as possible, and then back to Afghanistan". I even knew an Somalian couple that got 8 kids since moving to Denmark, because the state pays them depending on how many kids they have. All of them had to share a tiny room.
Source: Live in Denmark.
Source: Live in Denmark.
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heartlessrobot (09/10/2015) [-]
Yes you can, people are not only surviving but thriving off our welfare.
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donatelo (09/10/2015) [-]
not for immigrants. my parents didn't even qualify for welfare. both my parents worked and my mom still had to work while pregnant with me. hell, my dad still has to work in a manual labor job that pays below minimum wage.
i have never thrived in my entire life, power outages, cut phone lines...having thanksgiving dinner at events for homeless people.
if someone could have redirect my family to the source of welfare that allow people to thrive back then, then maybe i wouldnt take your comment as an insult.
i have never thrived in my entire life, power outages, cut phone lines...having thanksgiving dinner at events for homeless people.
if someone could have redirect my family to the source of welfare that allow people to thrive back then, then maybe i wouldnt take your comment as an insult.
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heartlessrobot (09/10/2015) [-]
It's mostly people abusing it that thrive. Usually putting down false info that benefits them, such as they have 7 kids when they only have 3, or some such. My friend explained how his family did it before both his parents got jobs, but I forget the details.
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donatelo (09/10/2015) [-]
i get that. i dont think thats the majority though, just to clear things. but it also depends the culture too, in my community people were seen as desperate if they exagerated things like that. even then most mexican immigrants are too prideful as it is, when my parents became citizens they never lied about dependants and things like that.
i can see how that would be the cae in other groups, but in my community nobody had anything flashy off of welfare.
i can see how that would be the cae in other groups, but in my community nobody had anything flashy off of welfare.
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anon (09/09/2015) [-]
Seeing you're Texan, I'm going to guess you're Republican. That seems to be the statistical stereotype at least. If not, I apologize.
But recently I've been coming to terms with the Republican point of view. I'm looking at our politicians, Europe has become a push-over, afraid to hurt someone's sentiments to protect their own interests while the world around us openly ignores UN conventions they signed previously. In my opinion, the Republican party's figureheads are a bunch of idiots, the ones like Rick Santorum especially only ******* politician I would not cry over if he got his ass shot but I get the need to draw a harsher line. The rest of the world will walk over you otherwise.
But recently I've been coming to terms with the Republican point of view. I'm looking at our politicians, Europe has become a push-over, afraid to hurt someone's sentiments to protect their own interests while the world around us openly ignores UN conventions they signed previously. In my opinion, the Republican party's figureheads are a bunch of idiots, the ones like Rick Santorum especially only ******* politician I would not cry over if he got his ass shot but I get the need to draw a harsher line. The rest of the world will walk over you otherwise.
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anon (09/09/2015) [-]
Californian here (I lived in Texas for a spell though) and I'll just say this: California and Texas have the same problem when it comes to politics: they're both Gerrymandered as **** , for the Democrats in California and the Republicans in Texas. Hell, in the latter's case they BRAG that it's almost impossible for the Democratic Party to gain any headway in Texas because they ****** everything up.
The real problem of course is the duopoly that the Republicans and Democrats have enjoyed for too long. We need third parties to come along and force them to actually do something useful, or else lose their hold on power.
The real problem of course is the duopoly that the Republicans and Democrats have enjoyed for too long. We need third parties to come along and force them to actually do something useful, or else lose their hold on power.
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marmiteistasty (09/09/2015) [-]
I mean I get that but they very much are not illegal immigrants. They're refugees. There's a difference, and I'll probably lose internet points for saying yeah, nobody wants to live in a war zone. Should other countries' governments do something about it? Yeah, totally. Are there refugees camping out in my yard nearly every day? Yeah, there are.
I mean, FJ's got a pretty... clear stance on this matter, so maybe I'm barking up the wrong tree, but I really... don't see how the refugee situation is... that one sided.
I mean, FJ's got a pretty... clear stance on this matter, so maybe I'm barking up the wrong tree, but I really... don't see how the refugee situation is... that one sided.
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justtocomment (09/10/2015) [-]
Look at the 2nd picture in the post.
And they are actively trying to illegally enter Sweden: that's the whole point of this post.
And they are actively trying to illegally enter Sweden: that's the whole point of this post.
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justtocomment (09/09/2015) [-]
Yeah, as strongly as I do feel about the illegal immigration problem, I will say we're actually doing a decent job of it. Far from perfect, but the system we have just needs to be improved upon.
******* refugees though - I want to believe it's mostly over hyped right-wing fear mongering (ya know how FJ can be) but I haven't seen anything saying to the contrary of these articles and posts.
******* refugees though - I want to believe it's mostly over hyped right-wing fear mongering (ya know how FJ can be) but I haven't seen anything saying to the contrary of these articles and posts.
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justtocomment (09/09/2015) [-]
Okay so you literally did not answer my question. You did what left wing media has done for decades: took a question "are these refugees really being this ******* obnoxious to their host countries, are they deliberately avoiding countries that offer fewer benefits, are these countries really being chastised for trying to lower benefits given to these refugees?" and turned it into bleeding-heart nonsense. "This title boy drowned and this many people are dead" doesn't explain why these refugees are breaking international law to get into Sweden if they aren't actually being forced.
******* liberal nonsense - your video lost me at the "all one species" trope. That same excuse gets rolled out whenever someone asks the legitimate question "What about my country?"
******* liberal nonsense - your video lost me at the "all one species" trope. That same excuse gets rolled out whenever someone asks the legitimate question "What about my country?"
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ohkirby (09/10/2015) [-]
I'd say a lot of media is very influenced by right/left wing, not gonna lie but I guess it probably differs depending on where you live and what you watch
I'm pretty far to the left as well, but the refugees who are ignoring the fact they have somewhere safe to sleep ******* disgust me and I feel nothing for them.
I'm pretty far to the left as well, but the refugees who are ignoring the fact they have somewhere safe to sleep ******* disgust me and I feel nothing for them.
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justtocomment (09/10/2015) [-]
What? Do you just not watch the news or something? Every media outlet has political bias, that's why Fox and CBS get so much flack. How do you not actually see the political bias of these outlets?
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justtocomment (09/10/2015) [-]
But it's every source. Every single one of them. Some may be leas biased than others, but I defy you to show me a news outlet that doesn't lean toward a specific party.
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donatelo (09/10/2015) [-]
well to be honest i personally filter out bias in news (but even then my statement could be a personal bias). im studying psychology and have gone over priming effects in media and politics extensively, so im pretty confident in my ability to avoid BS in most news outlets....nevertheless, i was wrong to say that news doesn't have bias. my bad.
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vortexrain (09/10/2015) [-]
I usually like his videos. Who cares about humanitarianism if you don't have the mean to treat everyone the way they want? Not to mention that a lot of these assholes are just heading to Europe for benefits. **** them.
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DevilsCalling ONLINE (09/10/2015) [-]
swell with german pride. the fatherland. SIEG HEIL
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asmodeu (09/10/2015) [-]
> post racist comment
> get thumbed up
> feelsgoodman
But in all seriousness, even before this whole ISIS crisis, muslims have caused a lot of problems throughout Europe. I witnessed their gross lack of common sense, arrogance and evident superiority multiple times. I'm not saying all of them are like that - I have not met all of them, but most of the ones I met are like that.
This one time, a kebap was drunk outside a club and a couple passed by when he said "Hey, I want to **** your girlfriend in the ass !". The boyfriend was a pretty massive guy and he approached him with the intent of calling him out and beating his ass. Kebap was all like "I am guest in your country, you respect me !" and after 2 minutes of back and forth kebapness a whole gang of 6 kebaps gathered around, looking menacingly. They were all calm, but were ready to murder the guy at first sight of violence. Boyfriend then had to leave.
This other time, a kebap was drunk in a club and was trying to dance with every single girl there. By dancing I mean posting himself behind girls and moving his hips like some weirdo ******* creep. I usually don't like clubs, I just go for my gf's sake - it's just too loud, there's too much smoke (because people are allowed to smoke in clubs where I am from) and most of the times I can barely breathe, despite being a smoker myself. So kebap tried to do that with my girlfriend and I jumped off my chair, went over and started dancing myself. By dancing I mean making some weird moves that may pass off as dancing, but doing so I was being physical with the guy: I pushed him around, I blocked him from getting near anyone in my group. At one point I got tired of that because he kept on trying and trying so I confronted him "Hey, what's your problem ?" "I want to **** a bitch" "Yeah well all these girls are taken, go look somewhere else" "Are they taken by you ?" "Yes" "Can you give me one of them ?" "No" "Can you help me find a bitch ?". I **** you not, this is how it happened. He was either drunk or high off his ass because the things coming out of his mouth were just ******* stupid. It seems to me like he thought women in European countries would **** just about anyone. It's disgusting.
I hate it whenever I see a room put up for rent with the title "Muslim only". Bitch, this is not your country: you come here, you respect us and maybe - just maybe you will get some respect in return.
So yeah, I generally dislike muslims. Met 1-2 cool ones, but they all have a weird ass mentality.
> get thumbed up
> feelsgoodman
But in all seriousness, even before this whole ISIS crisis, muslims have caused a lot of problems throughout Europe. I witnessed their gross lack of common sense, arrogance and evident superiority multiple times. I'm not saying all of them are like that - I have not met all of them, but most of the ones I met are like that.
This one time, a kebap was drunk outside a club and a couple passed by when he said "Hey, I want to **** your girlfriend in the ass !". The boyfriend was a pretty massive guy and he approached him with the intent of calling him out and beating his ass. Kebap was all like "I am guest in your country, you respect me !" and after 2 minutes of back and forth kebapness a whole gang of 6 kebaps gathered around, looking menacingly. They were all calm, but were ready to murder the guy at first sight of violence. Boyfriend then had to leave.
This other time, a kebap was drunk in a club and was trying to dance with every single girl there. By dancing I mean posting himself behind girls and moving his hips like some weirdo ******* creep. I usually don't like clubs, I just go for my gf's sake - it's just too loud, there's too much smoke (because people are allowed to smoke in clubs where I am from) and most of the times I can barely breathe, despite being a smoker myself. So kebap tried to do that with my girlfriend and I jumped off my chair, went over and started dancing myself. By dancing I mean making some weird moves that may pass off as dancing, but doing so I was being physical with the guy: I pushed him around, I blocked him from getting near anyone in my group. At one point I got tired of that because he kept on trying and trying so I confronted him "Hey, what's your problem ?" "I want to **** a bitch" "Yeah well all these girls are taken, go look somewhere else" "Are they taken by you ?" "Yes" "Can you give me one of them ?" "No" "Can you help me find a bitch ?". I **** you not, this is how it happened. He was either drunk or high off his ass because the things coming out of his mouth were just ******* stupid. It seems to me like he thought women in European countries would **** just about anyone. It's disgusting.
I hate it whenever I see a room put up for rent with the title "Muslim only". Bitch, this is not your country: you come here, you respect us and maybe - just maybe you will get some respect in return.
So yeah, I generally dislike muslims. Met 1-2 cool ones, but they all have a weird ass mentality.
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thatfoulstench (09/10/2015) [-]
i know how you feel dude. I go to school at Northern Kentucky University, and i gotta tell ya, a lot of the muslim people there are dicks. I became friends with a few who were ok. They cared about their education and one was even applying for citizenship and planned on contributing to society by way of a mechanical engineering degree. However, a lot of them come over here using oil money or government money, to just blow on everything they want, like brand new cars. I had a History of the French revolution class with a bunch of Arab students, and guess how many people showed up to class on a regular basis. me, three other white kids, and the one black kid. The arabs were failing because they refused to go to class. The teacher i had was the sweetest old lady in the world, but these dune coons constantly tried to take advantage of her kindness. When she would discuss their grades with them, she would walk into the hallway in case they tried anything. I was told by my teacher, if i hear an argument getting heated in her office, i should barge in. I almost did once. These arabs complained to our History dept. chair, and he allowed them to makeup thier midterms so that they could at least pass. Only two students showed. The others never came after complaining and were sent back to their home countries. Because according to their visas, if they fail one class, they're out.
tl;dr version:
i to have met Muslim kids who were dicks and some who were ok. but the dick to ok ratio is like 10 dick muslims to 1 ok muslim. i too dislike most muslims.
tl;dr version:
i to have met Muslim kids who were dicks and some who were ok. but the dick to ok ratio is like 10 dick muslims to 1 ok muslim. i too dislike most muslims.
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donatelo (09/10/2015) [-]
im not too sure about their specific culture but in most places like this, without a whif of femenism, women are treated like baby carriers and cleaners. If its common and socially normal for a husband to beat their wife i don't think they would care much if other men shot hints at her from time to time. also, they probably keep their own wives locked up at home anyway, anything outside is probably seen as "fair game".
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commoncrunch (09/09/2015) [-]
It wasn't always just Mexicans. Remember Hurricane Katrina, and the influx of New Orleans citizens that evacuated wherever they could? Some still haven't gone back, and it's been ten years.
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nemesisapoc (09/09/2015) [-]
Unfortunately, yes, I'm all too familiar with katrina trash. My home town (Bridge City) is right on the border of Louisiana. Right off of I-10. We got hit pretty hard 10 years ago. Not so bad now, but still noticeable.
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instalation (09/09/2015) [-]
And at least our immigrants work too for less than minimum wage. I can't imagine what it'd be like to have something like what Denmark is going through.
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somehowaddicted (09/10/2015) [-]
Also, you have a lot of guns....Europe have rocks and sticks and its still illegal to use that...
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dasbrot (09/10/2015) [-]
As a fellow American, I can say that at least the mexicans show an urge to integrate into our society as best they can. Yes many are still illegal immigrants and even though "dey terk er jerbs", they do it to sustain themselves in hopes of becoming official residents/citizens. They don't seek a free meal ticket (not all of them at least). They give back to their protectors.
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donatelo (09/10/2015) [-]
Thank you sir. I am the son if an illegal immigrant who became a citizen, and I may be biased but from my own personal experience most immigrants are hardworking and work many hours. My dad worked in the I fields and continues to work there to this day, I worked in the fields as well but not as often now. I will say this, and I strongly say this with the bottom of my heart, most immigrants(atleast from mexico) don't come here for welfare...they come here for low paying jobs.
My dad used to workwith a fake social security number, and because of that he was not able to take any of the benefits he had been paying for. This is the same for many fellow illegal immigrants from mexico, and I'm not saying this to justify any welfare I'm saying this to show that we do pay into the system.
Also I'm not taking anything it on you, I just appreciate when people have sympathy for us. Also, I'm glad that we are atleast not like these Syrians despite the psuedo war in my country.
My dad used to workwith a fake social security number, and because of that he was not able to take any of the benefits he had been paying for. This is the same for many fellow illegal immigrants from mexico, and I'm not saying this to justify any welfare I'm saying this to show that we do pay into the system.
Also I'm not taking anything it on you, I just appreciate when people have sympathy for us. Also, I'm glad that we are atleast not like these Syrians despite the psuedo war in my country.
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magicka (09/10/2015) [-]
I rarely see that mentality where I am as most people just don't want to work and will abuse the system because of that. It's made even worse because if you say anything people just lose their **** so nothing happens and the media seee them as victims . I'm English not American
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anon (09/09/2015) [-]
I dunno man, a lot of the illegals at least from my experience with them are slat of the earth, hard working folks who just want a better life. These "refugees" on the other hand just want that sweet welfare.
tfw an immigrant on our build team always puts in twice the effort of everyone else.
tfw an immigrant on our build team always puts in twice the effort of everyone else.
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justtocomment (09/09/2015) [-]
The problem is the illegal immigrants don't contribute to the whole pot. People say they can't receive benefits like welfare (which is true, though some do cheat the system) but there are many additional benefits to living in this country. Public education, transportation, and clinics (which they do use in droves) are resources being utilized by people who do not pay into it properly. Most famously is the WIC program: an illegal immigrant has a child, so that child qualifies for WIC and many single-parent benefits offered on a state and federal level. The benefits go to the mother who then distributes as she sees fit. It also makes law enforcement more difficult because someone with a criminal record won't be identified in our records if they didn't come here legally.
The fact is, if you really are just a hard worker looking for a better life, work visas are a dime a dozen. And can be obtained on both sides of the border.
The fact is, if you really are just a hard worker looking for a better life, work visas are a dime a dozen. And can be obtained on both sides of the border.
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donatelo (09/10/2015) [-]
Illegal immigrants do contribute actually( field workers and similar) To work in the fields you need a social security number, since the workers are obliviously illegal they use fake ones. The checks are payed with the usual tax deductions like any other check from any other job, however, since they used a fake social in the first place this money is un-retrievable. I worked in the fields and used a fake social, I'm never seeing those benefits that the taxes from my check payed for.
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justtocomment (09/10/2015) [-]
You see the benefit every time you get on a bus. Every day of public school. Every time you drive on a highway. And especially every time you go to the free clinic or emergency room.
None of us are going to get social security: that **** is going to be bankrupt by the time I'm 40.
None of us are going to get social security: that **** is going to be bankrupt by the time I'm 40.
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donatelo (09/10/2015) [-]
people have to pay to get on the bus, and even then...all the immigrants at my old job either walked (miles) biked, or carpooled with us or others. public schooling can have a return value in the future. free clinics, pretty much...BUT,
there still exists sales tax, property tax, tax from checks, and various other forms of taxes immigrants pay into. sales tax is obviously hard to avoid, they live in housing, and while they may pay through cash the landlords pay taxes for the properties through the payment of the tennants. likewise, social security is not the only thing people get taxed for on their checks, those taxes go to just about everything, i mean...if you ever gotten a check you see the taxes they take out are not just social security.
Even then, if you were to argue that immigrants dont cover the cost of what they take out (debatable) atleast they are not complete leaches. they do work that nobody wants to do meanwhile still pay into the system on a minimum wage job. and i dunno personally i feel somewhat entitled, both of my grandparents worked here for literal pennies and cents in what was dubbed modern day slavery (bracero program) doing a job that was necessary for the united states (they were contracted to come from mexico to work in the united states due to a lack of farmworker laborforce) before being kicked out (despite gaining and earning citizenship, but they looked like mexicans so they got deported anyway).
there still exists sales tax, property tax, tax from checks, and various other forms of taxes immigrants pay into. sales tax is obviously hard to avoid, they live in housing, and while they may pay through cash the landlords pay taxes for the properties through the payment of the tennants. likewise, social security is not the only thing people get taxed for on their checks, those taxes go to just about everything, i mean...if you ever gotten a check you see the taxes they take out are not just social security.
Even then, if you were to argue that immigrants dont cover the cost of what they take out (debatable) atleast they are not complete leaches. they do work that nobody wants to do meanwhile still pay into the system on a minimum wage job. and i dunno personally i feel somewhat entitled, both of my grandparents worked here for literal pennies and cents in what was dubbed modern day slavery (bracero program) doing a job that was necessary for the united states (they were contracted to come from mexico to work in the united states due to a lack of farmworker laborforce) before being kicked out (despite gaining and earning citizenship, but they looked like mexicans so they got deported anyway).
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thegrimpoe (09/10/2015) [-]
thats like saying people who have a car shouldn't pay any taxes for public transport like train or bus, because they don't use them while others reap the rewards. Wrong, the people reaping the reward benefit the society as a whole through that service. Highways are the number one type of these policies and affect you through interstate commerce or your daily commute
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lean (09/09/2015) [-]
Yeah, the US is engaged in operations against ISIS in Iraq/ Syria, but we are also against the Syrian regime so no collaboration going on there. Now we are getting assmad at the russians who have sent forces to syria, also to fight ISIS but we worry that they might be helping the syrian fight against ISIS not the US fight against ISIS.
Dunno why we can't call a temporary truce with everyone to just get rid of ISIS, then continue with our petty grievances with the other countries. Probably makes too much sense for a politician to consider.
Instead of donating experience and funding to assist against ISIS we should give the peshmerga inventory and money, they have been fighting the good fight this whole time
Dunno why we can't call a temporary truce with everyone to just get rid of ISIS, then continue with our petty grievances with the other countries. Probably makes too much sense for a politician to consider.
Instead of donating experience and funding to assist against ISIS we should give the peshmerga inventory and money, they have been fighting the good fight this whole time
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evilexecutive (09/10/2015) [-]
The cold war ended, literally the moment children were born after the Soviet Union. When Swan Lake played on all televisions and radios in Russia, **** hit the fan and the soviet union ended literally overnight.
The politicians in office today are still really ******* butthurt about being taught to hide under their desks.
The politicians in office today are still really ******* butthurt about being taught to hide under their desks.
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lean (09/10/2015) [-]
Russia is definitely NOT funding ISIS. In fact Russia is leading the way in measures to inhibit the funding of ISIS
rbth.com/international/2015/02/13/un_adopts_russian-drafted_resolution_on_blocking_funding_for_is_43715.html
Isis funding comes primarily through state sponsors, although none have openly claimed it (fingers have been pointed at Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Jordan, and Turkey, all of which are US "allies") Between that and many western powers paying ransoms, they are fairly well funded. Some conspiracy theorists believe that the west has not leveled sanctions against these accused state sponsors because they want the public opinion to grow against the barbarism of this terror group and call for military intervention (again).
rbth.com/international/2015/02/13/un_adopts_russian-drafted_resolution_on_blocking_funding_for_is_43715.html
Isis funding comes primarily through state sponsors, although none have openly claimed it (fingers have been pointed at Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Jordan, and Turkey, all of which are US "allies") Between that and many western powers paying ransoms, they are fairly well funded. Some conspiracy theorists believe that the west has not leveled sanctions against these accused state sponsors because they want the public opinion to grow against the barbarism of this terror group and call for military intervention (again).
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goobyman (09/10/2015) [-]
neat some source
see this is what i get for being r00d, some actual sources
As far as I see it though, it still is an indirect conflict between russia and the US. not necessarily funding ISIS or the Kurds, but still funding some sort of opposition group.
I'd need some source and confirmation on that though, to be sure.
see this is what i get for being r00d, some actual sources
As far as I see it though, it still is an indirect conflict between russia and the US. not necessarily funding ISIS or the Kurds, but still funding some sort of opposition group.
I'd need some source and confirmation on that though, to be sure.
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lean (09/10/2015) [-]
Russia is helping Syria fight ISIS. US has been attempting to overthrow the Syrian regime (cuz it works so great when we do that). US is fighting ISIS in Syria with "tacticool air strikes" ($80,000 per shot target practice at goats). 3 teams, same goal, don't get along so enter pissing match. Basically cold war era passive aggression.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia's_role_in_the_Syrian_Civil_War
It is really frustrating as an American that our politicians believe that they have the right to depose other countries' politicians under the guise of humanitarian reasons when it is typically maneuvering to gain the upper hand economically against our competition (china/russia)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia's_role_in_the_Syrian_Civil_War
It is really frustrating as an American that our politicians believe that they have the right to depose other countries' politicians under the guise of humanitarian reasons when it is typically maneuvering to gain the upper hand economically against our competition (china/russia)
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anon (09/10/2015) [-]
www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34192834 sorry to harbor the bad news
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ashampoo (09/09/2015) [-]
**ashampoo used "*roll picture*"**
**ashampoo rolled image**ISIS/ISIL/FSA/IDKWTF are fighting there for years, and suddenly there is a stream of refugees to europe? instead of the golf states?
i know it sounds like a /pol/spricary
but maybe
just maybe
they jews coulda might have did this
**ashampoo rolled image**ISIS/ISIL/FSA/IDKWTF are fighting there for years, and suddenly there is a stream of refugees to europe? instead of the golf states?
i know it sounds like a /pol/spricary
but maybe
just maybe
they jews coulda might have did this
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elenalkarnur (09/09/2015) [-]
-anti-immigration rightist European parties start having success in European parliaments and elections.
-Leftist European parties are traitorous to their own countries and their own native peoples and are funded by Jews, supported by Jewish media.
-They decide **** that, the will of the people be damned. So they make a refugee / migration advertising campaign in those countries (Syria, Lybia, but also a ton of others that don't have wars in them) to flood the European countries with immigrants.
-Immigrants almost invariably vote left and for mass immigration.
-Less than 10% of these immigrants are "refugees" coming from war zones.
-Not surprisingly, Israel is saying they won't be accepting said "refugees" because, and they said so explicitly, Israel won't be a Jewish state anymore. So they know it's a matter of self-preservation, not "xenophobia" or "racism".
MFW the West, parasited by Jewish elites, is committing suicide. Their foreign policy is disastrous and serves only Israel's interests. Their foreign policy creates increased migration, which weakens Europe and racially divides it and weakens the white race, which also serves the Jews' interest. Their immigration policy is dictated by leftist parties and Jewish financial and media backers.
Native Europeans have no choice except either:
-to speak out and fight and be labeled racists and homophobes and misogynists
-or to be silenced, cuckolded, raped, have their land and countries stolen from them and die out.
-Leftist European parties are traitorous to their own countries and their own native peoples and are funded by Jews, supported by Jewish media.
-They decide **** that, the will of the people be damned. So they make a refugee / migration advertising campaign in those countries (Syria, Lybia, but also a ton of others that don't have wars in them) to flood the European countries with immigrants.
-Immigrants almost invariably vote left and for mass immigration.
-Less than 10% of these immigrants are "refugees" coming from war zones.
-Not surprisingly, Israel is saying they won't be accepting said "refugees" because, and they said so explicitly, Israel won't be a Jewish state anymore. So they know it's a matter of self-preservation, not "xenophobia" or "racism".
MFW the West, parasited by Jewish elites, is committing suicide. Their foreign policy is disastrous and serves only Israel's interests. Their foreign policy creates increased migration, which weakens Europe and racially divides it and weakens the white race, which also serves the Jews' interest. Their immigration policy is dictated by leftist parties and Jewish financial and media backers.
Native Europeans have no choice except either:
-to speak out and fight and be labeled racists and homophobes and misogynists
-or to be silenced, cuckolded, raped, have their land and countries stolen from them and die out.
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kaboomz (09/09/2015) [-]
we are being invaded
it almost looks like we dont have borders or border patrols
these people come in, beg for food, we give them, they refuse it because its halal or something and then rob us
what in the **** is happening to us?
how did we elected such retards to allow this to happen?
my country is struggling with austerity and is recieving... **** i dont even know.... thousands of these assholes?
why are greece and romenia being forced to accept them too?
they are even worse than us
europe is going to turn into a 3rd world continent very soon unless we put someone with balls in charge
someone that can stand up to these savages and tell them to **** off
someone that puts the army in the streets hunting for these faggots and putting them in boats back to where they came from
**** merkel and all the retards that think that importing half of syria into europe is a good idea
i will never criticize another american for having a gun for as long as i live
it almost looks like we dont have borders or border patrols
these people come in, beg for food, we give them, they refuse it because its halal or something and then rob us
what in the **** is happening to us?
how did we elected such retards to allow this to happen?
my country is struggling with austerity and is recieving... **** i dont even know.... thousands of these assholes?
why are greece and romenia being forced to accept them too?
they are even worse than us
europe is going to turn into a 3rd world continent very soon unless we put someone with balls in charge
someone that can stand up to these savages and tell them to **** off
someone that puts the army in the streets hunting for these faggots and putting them in boats back to where they came from
**** merkel and all the retards that think that importing half of syria into europe is a good idea
i will never criticize another american for having a gun for as long as i live
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DevilsCalling ONLINE (09/10/2015) [-]
i watched the full video. and i broke down when he said the people are the most important thing...yeah nazi's did bad **** . but when people say that the people hated hitler..they stupid. thje people loved him and i see why. you want a great country YOU build it. you want a free country YOU free it. you the people.
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DevilsCalling ONLINE (09/10/2015) [-]
i know. i've researched germany and especially WW2. got kicked out of history class several times. one time for TOTALLY shutting down our teachers anti german bashing ******** . talked about how it was always about the jews. germany was a dump russia freed them from a tyrant. i shut that **** down and he ******* lost it. called me a neo nazi. a white supremist...im like wut a AB member because of the nazi's are you retarded?
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DevilsCalling ONLINE (09/10/2015) [-]
yes well he did get fired for beating the **** out of a student. anyways. look at it from both sides. yes the nazi's did terrible things. but alot of what they supposidly did was actually the japs. hitler fought for the people. and in the end it was a fight for survival. the russians went through germany with a scorched earth policy. some town i may google its name. 300'000 german civvies were killed. an entire ******* city. no fighter or soldiers just a city. to make an example of. it ******* kills me how one sided this **** really is. (sorry for chinglish. im tired as **** )
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DevilsCalling ONLINE (09/10/2015) [-]
yes. 2 fronts was a huge mistake but he pushed and his generals said it could be done. stalingrad too. that fat **** goering? the one that run the air core. abandoned those poor men. and the 6th panzer division sat outside stalingrad because they were told not to push into the city. if they would have pushed (13km) they could see the ******* other troops but were told to retreat. if they would have pushed and goering done his ******* job. it would have been a win. but no. the tanks retreated. and goering sat on his fat ass and purposfully ****** up where ammo and food was dropped. 90% of which was right ontop of the russian lines i **** you not
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dingdongpancakes (09/10/2015) [-]
Hitler ****** up a lot of things. Moscow could have been taken by the panzer divisions of Army group center before winter in barbarossa. But hitler took a majority of them and told them to go help out army group south in the battle of Kiev.
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DevilsCalling ONLINE (09/10/2015) [-]
sorry bud. just years and years of reading and watchin. video browsing and writing down what i found and compiling it. you get two stories depending on which side of the ocean the video comes from. most of the praising actually came from the russians now they ******* respect the germans for how they fought and their way of life
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therwasno (09/10/2015) [-]
u still dont know **** ..german flag avatar ..are u even german .and if u are german than u are one of theses retarded kids from cow village xy.. plz shut up . u try to protect a country which actuall dont exist anymore..the EU got us all... people need to wake up, ur ****** country argument and **** dont counts anymore especially not nowadays. globalization is the keyword.. iam know u are scared of people to find out what a whiny useless bitch u are ..thats why u cry help help my country blah blah..truth is u straight a weak mind pathetic faggot ..live with it, have to live with retards like u too ..so
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anonymoussarcasm (09/09/2015) [-]
All of the countries need to shut down their borders until we figure this out. **** the refugees
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tkfourtwoone ONLINE (09/10/2015) [-]
As a Romanian, now maybe you guys see why we fought tooth & nail to keep the Ottoman Empire at bay
And to be quite frank, the Ottomans in that time period were a much more civilized society than most of today's Muslims
And to be quite frank, the Ottomans in that time period were a much more civilized society than most of today's Muslims
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tkfourtwoone ONLINE (09/10/2015) [-]
Macar de ar primi doar 1700. S-ar putea sa se cace UE in capul nostru.
In mod normal nu-s xenofob deloc - dar in momentul in care niste refugiati oarecare au mai multe drepturi decat membrii UE, potential membri Schenger... atunci iti cam vine sa pui mana pe topor
In mod normal nu-s xenofob deloc - dar in momentul in care niste refugiati oarecare au mai multe drepturi decat membrii UE, potential membri Schenger... atunci iti cam vine sa pui mana pe topor
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anon (09/10/2015) [-]
Romania has no ******* right to complain about any of this. You ship over so many beggars that form leagues that we can't even go to a supermarket or a library without seeing one of you filthy ***** sitting outside.
One of your lot came up to me as I was in the middle of recycling bottles, trying to sneak in one of their own bottles so that they could try to claim all of mine as well.
Romanian beggars bring down our society much more than any middle easterners.
**** Romania.
One of your lot came up to me as I was in the middle of recycling bottles, trying to sneak in one of their own bottles so that they could try to claim all of mine as well.
Romanian beggars bring down our society much more than any middle easterners.
**** Romania.
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tkfourtwoone ONLINE (09/10/2015) [-]
I like how you're wording it as it's actually our official or unofficial foreign policy, a state directive to send all kinds of dubious individuals abroad. Top Kek.
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piratebayamon (09/10/2015) [-]
Im not romanian but ive been there.
You dont seem to realise that they hate "those people" youre referring to just as much?
Theyre not welcome there either.
Its like sending a bunch of Westboro Baptists to the Netherlands and then Netherland claming that ALL US Americans are like that and they should all just **** off and die.
Believe me.
Just because a country isnt doing so well economically and the government ist backwards and corrupt as **** , doesnt mean the regular folk there are just as morally depraved.
You dont seem to realise that they hate "those people" youre referring to just as much?
Theyre not welcome there either.
Its like sending a bunch of Westboro Baptists to the Netherlands and then Netherland claming that ALL US Americans are like that and they should all just **** off and die.
Believe me.
Just because a country isnt doing so well economically and the government ist backwards and corrupt as **** , doesnt mean the regular folk there are just as morally depraved.
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abdullahmag (09/10/2015) [-]
i don't disagree with what you said with the exception of disliking how you're overgeneralizing your opinion over a whopping 2 million refugees.
We here in Egypt are in a far worse economic state than Denmark, yet we still have refugees from Syria, and none of which i have seen trying to piggyback, all the ones i've seen try to work what they can to provide for themselves, and some even are starting up businesses.
Plus you are not taking into account restrictions that some countries put on them, where if they seek asylum in some they would fare no better than beggers.
Yes it is possible that many are just lazy, but it is also possible that many are trying to get a new life in a stable country.
We here in Egypt are in a far worse economic state than Denmark, yet we still have refugees from Syria, and none of which i have seen trying to piggyback, all the ones i've seen try to work what they can to provide for themselves, and some even are starting up businesses.
Plus you are not taking into account restrictions that some countries put on them, where if they seek asylum in some they would fare no better than beggers.
Yes it is possible that many are just lazy, but it is also possible that many are trying to get a new life in a stable country.
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distortedflare ONLINE (09/10/2015) [-]
Same with Scotland the ones we have seen so far have been friendly and incredably grateful. Can you honestly blame people for wanting to go to places with benefits? I mean yeah they could go to countries without war and benefits but then what, they are still homeless they have no money. Why would they stay in countries that would make it hard to rebuild their life? Also even lets say that all 2 million of them came to scrounge on benefits they would still be screwing us out of less than most government officials do. I agree that these bastards that threw **** and were little cunts deserve to be booted back to Syria but not all refugees are scum.
Those that come to force their views on us deserve to be booted back to the **** hole they come home but those that come to rebuild their lives should be allowed to stay. This is coming from a guy that use to work with the disabled and had a chancing indian family that claimed every benefit under the sun claiming their childrean were physicaly disabled whilst they were bouncing on the bed. even worse they used their autistic son to scrounge more benefits. They would sit on their arse eating large feasts whilst i was left to dress their son. They did not even pay it was all paid for by the government despite them all being capable of looking after him. So I was on crap wadges helping out a family that made more in a month at the time than I would make in six months.
They also promised to buy him ******* video games if he agreed to marry an autistic Indian girl. who was 14. They bribed their own son and manipulated his lack of understanding just so they could marry him off. And the worse thing is given he at times can have violent mood swings the girl could easily end up being his punching bag. is it is fault no. Is it the families fault **** yes.
So I have seen the scum of the earth the benefit leeches, frauds, lazy slobs, racist bastards. I have worked in countless industries and meet every class and type of person their is. And I still think there is more good than bad in this world.
Those that come to force their views on us deserve to be booted back to the **** hole they come home but those that come to rebuild their lives should be allowed to stay. This is coming from a guy that use to work with the disabled and had a chancing indian family that claimed every benefit under the sun claiming their childrean were physicaly disabled whilst they were bouncing on the bed. even worse they used their autistic son to scrounge more benefits. They would sit on their arse eating large feasts whilst i was left to dress their son. They did not even pay it was all paid for by the government despite them all being capable of looking after him. So I was on crap wadges helping out a family that made more in a month at the time than I would make in six months.
They also promised to buy him ******* video games if he agreed to marry an autistic Indian girl. who was 14. They bribed their own son and manipulated his lack of understanding just so they could marry him off. And the worse thing is given he at times can have violent mood swings the girl could easily end up being his punching bag. is it is fault no. Is it the families fault **** yes.
So I have seen the scum of the earth the benefit leeches, frauds, lazy slobs, racist bastards. I have worked in countless industries and meet every class and type of person their is. And I still think there is more good than bad in this world.
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rakogoki (09/09/2015) [-]
im pretty sure 90% of everyone here would do the same stuff if their country started getting ****** .
everyone starts shutting their borders to you, calling ******** /worthless trash/ **** refugees, dehumanize and make you out to be the villain because the extremists of your country were ********* and ****** your reputation. after losing everything all you want is shelter/food/secutiry/etc, however nobody wants to help you with "free hand outs" because all refugees are lazy and just want to leech, like not a single one of you wants to work a job, supply to your family, and live a normal life.
nobody realizes just how much they have until they lose it all.
everyone starts shutting their borders to you, calling ******** /worthless trash/ **** refugees, dehumanize and make you out to be the villain because the extremists of your country were ********* and ****** your reputation. after losing everything all you want is shelter/food/secutiry/etc, however nobody wants to help you with "free hand outs" because all refugees are lazy and just want to leech, like not a single one of you wants to work a job, supply to your family, and live a normal life.
nobody realizes just how much they have until they lose it all.
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anon (09/10/2015) [-]
1) So you're saying that you'd leave your country if there was a civil war instead of either fighting, or finding a safe area within your country? You really are a bitch.
2) You don't speak for 90% of the people here. You only speak for the losers.
3) If I "needed" asylum, then I'd only expect to get it temporarily. I would expect another country to make me or my children citizens just because my country was currently screwed up. I'd go back as soon as possible.
3) If I moved to another country I'd try to secure a job first, I'd try to make housing plans for myself first, I'd learn the local language, laws and customs, I'd respect the local language, laws and customs, and If I became a citizen, then that's what I'd be. I wouldn't identify with my "home country" anymore.
2) You don't speak for 90% of the people here. You only speak for the losers.
3) If I "needed" asylum, then I'd only expect to get it temporarily. I would expect another country to make me or my children citizens just because my country was currently screwed up. I'd go back as soon as possible.
3) If I moved to another country I'd try to secure a job first, I'd try to make housing plans for myself first, I'd learn the local language, laws and customs, I'd respect the local language, laws and customs, and If I became a citizen, then that's what I'd be. I wouldn't identify with my "home country" anymore.
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anon (09/10/2015) [-]
1) a stalemate civil war isn't worth dying in. You have no wife or children you want to protect. Only a moron would prioritize fighting in the middle east higher than their family.
2) what do you mean? He just pointed out that you probably would do the same as the refugees. Counter argument, or you are the loser yourself.
3) Okay, this just proof you don't know the asylum system and you did not read the announcement i the paper. Nowhere does it say, that all asylum seekers want permanent residence. But they don't choose DK, because chances are much higher that their application will be rejected and they will be sent back to Syria. It only makes sense to go further north.
4) Nice dreams and all, but when you're a refugee, it's not that easy getting a job. It's not that easy in general to get a job, not when there are more workers than workplaces. If it is so easy to learn the language, adopt the costumes and forget about your past, I'll challenge you to a month in Japan. Do you honestly thing you'll get anywhere within that time frame?
2) what do you mean? He just pointed out that you probably would do the same as the refugees. Counter argument, or you are the loser yourself.
3) Okay, this just proof you don't know the asylum system and you did not read the announcement i the paper. Nowhere does it say, that all asylum seekers want permanent residence. But they don't choose DK, because chances are much higher that their application will be rejected and they will be sent back to Syria. It only makes sense to go further north.
4) Nice dreams and all, but when you're a refugee, it's not that easy getting a job. It's not that easy in general to get a job, not when there are more workers than workplaces. If it is so easy to learn the language, adopt the costumes and forget about your past, I'll challenge you to a month in Japan. Do you honestly thing you'll get anywhere within that time frame?
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enlightednatzie (09/10/2015) [-]
The problem is that you have no other choice than leeching of the society if you're a refugee. You cant find a job if you dont know anybody and you cant start an own buissnes because there is too many regulations here. If they came from a more civilized western country it would work out better.
But if you have lived all your life in some village and slaughtering goats on the streets is a daily custom, its very hard to open up a resturant here since even selling hotdogs on the streets is illegal.
But if you have lived all your life in some village and slaughtering goats on the streets is a daily custom, its very hard to open up a resturant here since even selling hotdogs on the streets is illegal.
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anon (09/10/2015) [-]
No no no. There is no excuse for the way they are acting. In my childhood, my family knew homelessness. When someone offered us a little bit of money did my mom say "that's not enough!", no. She said "thanks." I get needing food and shelter but you don't get to ******* riot and attack officers because they don't give you" enough".
"Hurr durr they don't like me because 90% of my fellow immigrants are being dicks and rioting, I should be a dick and riot because they won't let me in."
I don't care if they want to go to rich European countries, but they can't destroy that country because they don't have enough for all of them.
"Hurr durr they don't like me because 90% of my fellow immigrants are being dicks and rioting, I should be a dick and riot because they won't let me in."
I don't care if they want to go to rich European countries, but they can't destroy that country because they don't have enough for all of them.
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heartlessrobot (09/10/2015) [-]
******** , I'd have stayed behind and fought.
I'm no god damned deserter.
I'm no god damned deserter.
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heartlessrobot (09/10/2015) [-]
I'd be glad to fight for my country.
Those ******* could never pass basic anyways.
I can guarantee a lot of soldiers would have declared war too, and were just waiting for the orders from up top.
Those ******* could never pass basic anyways.
I can guarantee a lot of soldiers would have declared war too, and were just waiting for the orders from up top.
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catpisseverdeen (09/10/2015) [-]
I wouldn't try to actively convert the culture of the country whom is housing me. I wouldn't try to rape their women and children. I wouldn't just sit around and do nothing, living off government welfare checks. **** these economic migrants.
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kaboomz (09/10/2015) [-]
I WOULD NEVER PUT MY KIDS ON A CARDBOARD RAFT TO CROSS THE ******* OCEAN TO GET TO A COUNTRY THAT INVADED MY OWN IN SEARCH OF INVISIBLE NUCLEAR WEAPONS KILLING THOUSANDS OF INNOCENTS BY MISTAKE IN THE PROCESS AND THEN WALK 328917694306 KM TO THE RICHEST COUNTRIES IN THERE WHILE BEGGING AND STEALING FROM ANYONE I CAN FIND
i would go straight to turkey or israel
probably israel
i would go straight to turkey or israel
probably israel
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jewbob (09/10/2015) [-]
They aren't just escaping from the war and trying to build a new life, if they were they'd stop somewhere closer. Problem is, they're being leechy assholes and only wanna go to rich countries while they leave an ocean of trash behind them. I mostly hate them though. They're too scared to fight for their country when the whole thing is on the line. Look back at the stats in the infograph, they aren't ass pulls. These are almost all military aged men that don't have the balls to fight. It's much easy to **** kids in England or kill women in Sweden.
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anon (09/10/2015) [-]
If only they were leeches. They aren't just taking far more "shelter/food/security" than a person actually needs, they are also then raping, killing and converting the hand that is feeding them. The fact that they are pouring into a single country, and one that is hard to get to at that, makes it very obvious. Not all refugees are criminals, but the ones going into Sweden of all places most definitely are.
Sweden is being ****** really hard right now. How long do you think it will be before, as you claim, 90% of the people in Sweden start migrating out of their **** hole? Because that is where they are headed. And I agree with your prediction that nobody is going to want to open their borders to these extremist lefties. But to then repeat the same mistake with this inevitable new wave of refugees is retarded at best.
Sweden is being ****** really hard right now. How long do you think it will be before, as you claim, 90% of the people in Sweden start migrating out of their **** hole? Because that is where they are headed. And I agree with your prediction that nobody is going to want to open their borders to these extremist lefties. But to then repeat the same mistake with this inevitable new wave of refugees is retarded at best.
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bothemastaofall (09/10/2015) [-]
Our countries aren't ****** because our people are good and our law and order are strong. Our militaries are strong and our civilization is well maintained. About half of those people commit or condone violent terrorist organizations, and adhere to values
counter to western civilization. Any punishment they receive is one they've brought upon themselves.
If they were truly good people, and the extremists so minor a portion, the extremists wouldn't be able to take over like this.
counter to western civilization. Any punishment they receive is one they've brought upon themselves.
If they were truly good people, and the extremists so minor a portion, the extremists wouldn't be able to take over like this.
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thegrimpoe (09/10/2015) [-]
what is a dictatorship and indoctrination? learn geopolitics faget
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anon (09/10/2015) [-]
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA wow the extremists have taken over, half of them commit or condone terrorism, our military is strong our civilization superior. You sound like youve been watching too many nazi videos on youtube. Stop pretending like you know whats best, these are real people who are scared.
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lolgonewrong (09/10/2015) [-]
Theres a difference between being a refugee and a parasite.
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hansdieterli (09/09/2015) [-]
Holy **** , I am sure glad to see atleast one person here who isn´t outright racist and realizes what the situation really must feel like. I like you. Youre a good guy.
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hansdieterli (09/09/2015) [-]
Yeah ...sure there are black sheep, but what some people are saying here or elsewhere is absolutely disgusting.
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anon (09/10/2015) [-]
Have you even been listening to what the media has been saying about the refugees?
If anybody's been affected by the media it's white apologists who blind themselves to what in reality is a severe cultural disconnection in order to look more progressive and nice. This is a legitimate issue with legitimate concerns. Marking off those legitimate concerns as racist is unreasonable and just plain backwards thinking. And no, I'm not talking about the people calling for mass murder and lynching, I'm talking about people who are arguing for closed borders or something of the sort.
If anybody's been affected by the media it's white apologists who blind themselves to what in reality is a severe cultural disconnection in order to look more progressive and nice. This is a legitimate issue with legitimate concerns. Marking off those legitimate concerns as racist is unreasonable and just plain backwards thinking. And no, I'm not talking about the people calling for mass murder and lynching, I'm talking about people who are arguing for closed borders or something of the sort.
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anon (09/10/2015) [-]
Hypothetical don't matter when real and significant effects are already reverberating because of cultural differences.
It's not my fault that their country is ****** up. It's their fault as a collective for going along with the incredibly messed up society they have for so long.
People seem to forget how much Western Europeans of the past sacrificed in order to progress society to what we have today where medical care is almost universal and there are very few people worrying about whether or not they're going to live to see the next day.
Meanwhile 400 years later the Middle East hasn't even had a ******* period of Enlightenment. You can say "BUT MUH WESTERN IMPERIALISM" all you want, it doesn't matter. You know who else had to deal with Western Imperialism?
WESTERN ******* EUROPE. THE UNITED STATES AND CANADA. SOUTH EAST ASIA. EVEN IF SOME OF THOSE COUNTRIES HAVE MAJOR PROBLEMS AT LEAST THEIR CULTURAL PHILOSOPHIES HAVE MADE IT PAST THE ******* DARK AGES.
You can empathize with these people all you want, it doesn't change the fact that their society is ****** up to the point where they cannot currently be integrated into Western Society without severe consequences. These are people who have been raised under a COMPLETELY different philosophy that is in CONFLICT with Western Society. You can't change that overnight because muh feels. That's not how humans work. That's something that came AFTER the Age of Enlightenment.
Do I feel sorry for them? Sure. Do I like the fact that they're suffering? Not in the slightest, the opposite in fact. But that doesn't mean that their life is suddenly my responsibility. They're people too. They can take responsibility for themselves. And until they can adopt a moral standard aligned with similar values to myself and my company, I'd rather not associate with them.
It's not my fault that their country is ****** up. It's their fault as a collective for going along with the incredibly messed up society they have for so long.
People seem to forget how much Western Europeans of the past sacrificed in order to progress society to what we have today where medical care is almost universal and there are very few people worrying about whether or not they're going to live to see the next day.
Meanwhile 400 years later the Middle East hasn't even had a ******* period of Enlightenment. You can say "BUT MUH WESTERN IMPERIALISM" all you want, it doesn't matter. You know who else had to deal with Western Imperialism?
WESTERN ******* EUROPE. THE UNITED STATES AND CANADA. SOUTH EAST ASIA. EVEN IF SOME OF THOSE COUNTRIES HAVE MAJOR PROBLEMS AT LEAST THEIR CULTURAL PHILOSOPHIES HAVE MADE IT PAST THE ******* DARK AGES.
You can empathize with these people all you want, it doesn't change the fact that their society is ****** up to the point where they cannot currently be integrated into Western Society without severe consequences. These are people who have been raised under a COMPLETELY different philosophy that is in CONFLICT with Western Society. You can't change that overnight because muh feels. That's not how humans work. That's something that came AFTER the Age of Enlightenment.
Do I feel sorry for them? Sure. Do I like the fact that they're suffering? Not in the slightest, the opposite in fact. But that doesn't mean that their life is suddenly my responsibility. They're people too. They can take responsibility for themselves. And until they can adopt a moral standard aligned with similar values to myself and my company, I'd rather not associate with them.
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alexandervascus (09/10/2015) [-]
We have more than that in a single one of our cities. Tell them that pork is now airborne, they'll run whilst holding their breath.
In all seriousness, they're there because you allowed them to go there. This is not to say they don't deserve help, but they shouldn't drag the rest of Europe into being a third world country either.
In all seriousness, they're there because you allowed them to go there. This is not to say they don't deserve help, but they shouldn't drag the rest of Europe into being a third world country either.
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skellylord (09/10/2015) [-]
Lebanon has 1 million refugees and its population is 4 million :/ I agree that you should be more strict though.
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alexandervascus (09/10/2015) [-]
I mean, help is something we should just inherently give to our fellow man. But when you start sending children on rafts made of a mattress, some twigs, and that goat horn that may or may not be a good rudder, and then act surprised when you find like 10 kids dead face first on the shore on the Mediterranean Sea, ask me how this whole refugee thing is working out. Syrians can defend their country from ISIS, but instead they choose to run and accidentally smuggle in a bunch of ISIS operatives in with them, for maximum ******* . NATO whilst it being a limp old man with lucid dreams of grandeur, it still isn't going to sit around and let bad **** go down.
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armwulf (09/10/2015) [-]
The wall idea- not gonnah fly
The type of wall he wants takes heavy equipment and a massive budget
About 20 million per mile.
Multiply that by the 2000 miles of border-
40,000,000,000 (Billion) dollars for a wall
Now, this will severely reduce BORDER CROSSINGS
Except.... about half of illegals simply overstay a Visa. They arrived legally, and stayed illegally.
Now, add that many border crossings are done via SMUGGLING- about 1/3 of illegal crossings are smugglings, not crossing an unguarded area.
So this 40 billion dollar wall, at MOST will stop 2/3
Do the math- that's 1/3 of illegal immigration. A gigantic wall will stop 1/3 of illegal immigrants, until they start using new methods. Crossing by water, tunneling, better smuggling- they will adapt, and that "1/3" number will only go down, FAST.
So, the cost of the wall is unreasonable
The attempt to get mexico to pay is completely unreasonable
The EFFECTIVENESS ITSELF of the wall is completely unreasonable
It's ******* useless.
Tl;Dr, do the math and the wall will stop less than 1/3 of illegals for 40 billion dollars just to build, not to mention maintaining and how people will find new ways across to lower the effectiveness more.
The type of wall he wants takes heavy equipment and a massive budget
About 20 million per mile.
Multiply that by the 2000 miles of border-
40,000,000,000 (Billion) dollars for a wall
Now, this will severely reduce BORDER CROSSINGS
Except.... about half of illegals simply overstay a Visa. They arrived legally, and stayed illegally.
Now, add that many border crossings are done via SMUGGLING- about 1/3 of illegal crossings are smugglings, not crossing an unguarded area.
So this 40 billion dollar wall, at MOST will stop 2/3
Do the math- that's 1/3 of illegal immigration. A gigantic wall will stop 1/3 of illegal immigrants, until they start using new methods. Crossing by water, tunneling, better smuggling- they will adapt, and that "1/3" number will only go down, FAST.
So, the cost of the wall is unreasonable
The attempt to get mexico to pay is completely unreasonable
The EFFECTIVENESS ITSELF of the wall is completely unreasonable
It's ******* useless.
Tl;Dr, do the math and the wall will stop less than 1/3 of illegals for 40 billion dollars just to build, not to mention maintaining and how people will find new ways across to lower the effectiveness more.
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drachma (09/10/2015) [-]
When a country can rake up multiple trillion dollars (13-15 now? can't remember) in debt with an imbalanced budget, I think someone can find a way to spend 0.04 Trillion on a wall.
That number only seems large because it's a lot to a single person looking at it.
Just trying to give a neutral math opinion on this matter, really have no idea just how much of an impact a plan with Trump will have on illegal immigration, but that cost is a drop in the bucket for a country like the US.
That number only seems large because it's a lot to a single person looking at it.
Just trying to give a neutral math opinion on this matter, really have no idea just how much of an impact a plan with Trump will have on illegal immigration, but that cost is a drop in the bucket for a country like the US.
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anon (09/10/2015) [-]
this is the problem with the world today. instead of people, politicians, governments, etc going and trying to solve the problem which is the fighting in Syria, everyone is instead worrying about how to clean up the mess. Its appeasement. this policy was tried once and it lead to a dictator taking over almost all of Europe. The human race needs to stop worrying about stepping on toes and work on being good people and squashing villainy before it gets out of hand.
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anon (09/11/2015) [-]
In Denmark 40% of prison inmates are people who are not danish. BUT only about 10% of the population are foreigners, wich means the crime rates for people who are not danish is significantly higher than for us "native" danes... Quite alarming if you ask me.
Source -> www.kriminalforsorgen.dk/Sp%C3%B8rgsm%C3%A5l-om-forholdene-i-institutionerne-422.aspx#FAQ75
(warning source in danish)
Cant find source for the 10% of population being foreign but some sources claim that it is actually lower!
Source -> www.kriminalforsorgen.dk/Sp%C3%B8rgsm%C3%A5l-om-forholdene-i-institutionerne-422.aspx#FAQ75
(warning source in danish)
Cant find source for the 10% of population being foreign but some sources claim that it is actually lower!
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cheeseboyofdoom (09/10/2015) [-]
I used to do the same thing, try to spread around actual sources. People just eat up whatever information suits them without doing any research.
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therwasno (09/10/2015) [-]
every smart muslim will exactly criticise this one fact that muslims never learned or get teached to make a difference between politic and religion . in all the ****** up countrys it is Religion > and than politic ..and then they come to europe because they dont want this **** .. and what does the EU politician do.. they build mosques for a handfull of people this is so ****** retarded..
