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mauerman [OP]ONLINE (09/10/2015) [-] stickied
Thank you all for participating in a very vivid discussion about my post.
I feel there are some things I need to point out.
Some of you seem to think that the majority of these people want to get a job, find a home and get on with their lives. This couldn't be further from the truth.
The refugees who came here 30 years ago, who've had children and those children have had children here, still speak with an almost incomprehensible Arabic accent. This means that most of these people teach their children Arabic first, and the native language of the country they are living in, second.
If they can get away with not applying for a job, they will. Most immigrants not working here are claiming disability benefits, because "they have PTSD from fleeing from the war". This has been happening for 30 years, and it will continue to happen.
All of you who think that they are trying to make a better life for themselves, I applaud your ignorance. Most of them are trying to leech, and do nothing, because deep down they know they are not wanted, so they won't even try to get us to like them. I mean, come on, what kind of ****** attitude is that?
Some of course want to make a better life for themselves. But they are vastly outnumbered by the lazy ***** who want nothing from the Northern Europeans other than money, so they can continue to live the exact same way they did down in that ******** they call a country.
/rant
I feel there are some things I need to point out.
Some of you seem to think that the majority of these people want to get a job, find a home and get on with their lives. This couldn't be further from the truth.
The refugees who came here 30 years ago, who've had children and those children have had children here, still speak with an almost incomprehensible Arabic accent. This means that most of these people teach their children Arabic first, and the native language of the country they are living in, second.
If they can get away with not applying for a job, they will. Most immigrants not working here are claiming disability benefits, because "they have PTSD from fleeing from the war". This has been happening for 30 years, and it will continue to happen.
All of you who think that they are trying to make a better life for themselves, I applaud your ignorance. Most of them are trying to leech, and do nothing, because deep down they know they are not wanted, so they won't even try to get us to like them. I mean, come on, what kind of ****** attitude is that?
Some of course want to make a better life for themselves. But they are vastly outnumbered by the lazy ***** who want nothing from the Northern Europeans other than money, so they can continue to live the exact same way they did down in that ******** they call a country.
/rant
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shadowblaziard (09/10/2015) [-] Couldn't agree more, you're not being hatefull but rather explaining your very fitting anger towards the situtation.
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alexwinning (09/10/2015) [-]
It surprises me that people can believe what you're saying, and even that you can believe what you're saying, without hard statistical evidence. Look, the fact of the matter is that you could be right. It is extremely common for undesirables to leech off of the system, in any country. But to claim that the vast majority of any group acts a certain way means nothing unless you can back it up. Personal experience means nothing in any real discussion, only because its the smallest sample size possible: one.
I've seen statistics arguing that all blacks should be removed from the US, I've seen statistics arguing the same for mexicans, etc. The fact that I haven't seen any meaningful statistics for this argument thus far, which is along the same lines, is worrying. Show me some good statistics and data and I'll start believing all of the anti-refugee arguments.
I've seen statistics arguing that all blacks should be removed from the US, I've seen statistics arguing the same for mexicans, etc. The fact that I haven't seen any meaningful statistics for this argument thus far, which is along the same lines, is worrying. Show me some good statistics and data and I'll start believing all of the anti-refugee arguments.
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anon (09/10/2015) [-]
Do you not have enough already? Can't you share anything with people on the run from war? Why is denmark being so anti-immigration? Isn't it fair that your country does it's part in this? And your claim about immigrants being lazy and do not want to find a job is lacking evidence and is based on your personal hatred. Mister Mauerman, they are humans too and deserves some respect. What do you do for a living? Are you just copy pasting your parents view on things or is this actually your own personal belief from personal and political knowledge? You are being narrow-minded and your lack of empathy and humanity is sad. Alright, you do not like immigrants, but what about helping them instead of just saying " **** immigrants"? You are sitting on your ass being a keyboard warrior and they are fleeing from a real life war. Guess who i'm giving my sympathy too. You guessed right, not your priviliged ass
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mauerman [OP]ONLINE (09/10/2015) [-] You misunderstand, it's not that I don't want immigrants/refugees in my country, it's just that I want them to act humble, and realize that we are helping them help themselves.
I want them to learn the language, get a job, become a person who's proud of the country that took them in.
I want them to stop relying on benefits, I want them to integrate, and most of all, practice their religion at home, like all other Danes. Stop with the Burqas, stop with religious clothing, stop everything that can be considered non-danish, outside of the home. Like all other Danes. They can be who they want within their own four walls, but as long as they depend on our system, and the kindness of our citizens, they need to try a lot harder.
That's just not what's going on.
I want them to learn the language, get a job, become a person who's proud of the country that took them in.
I want them to stop relying on benefits, I want them to integrate, and most of all, practice their religion at home, like all other Danes. Stop with the Burqas, stop with religious clothing, stop everything that can be considered non-danish, outside of the home. Like all other Danes. They can be who they want within their own four walls, but as long as they depend on our system, and the kindness of our citizens, they need to try a lot harder.
That's just not what's going on.
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selfdenyingbeggar (09/10/2015) [-]
You don't know that. Maybe there are people like that but you can't possibly know the ratio.
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zeunfunnyguy (09/10/2015) [-] oh yeah people having PTSD from being in a war are such liars and pussies am i right???
also you can't say that "some of you think differently from me, but I say that my statements are facts and therefor im right."
can you show some proof that it's a lie that most people want to get a job?
can you show some proof that says that the refugees don't actually have pstd?
also, they're selfish? they're literally fleeing from a ******* war. do you understand what a war is and how horrible it is for all of them? they can't ******* be choosy on where to go, how to survive and all that.
guess ******* what, if your best way to survive is through being selfish, damn right anyone would be.
also you can't say that "some of you think differently from me, but I say that my statements are facts and therefor im right."
can you show some proof that it's a lie that most people want to get a job?
can you show some proof that says that the refugees don't actually have pstd?
also, they're selfish? they're literally fleeing from a ******* war. do you understand what a war is and how horrible it is for all of them? they can't ******* be choosy on where to go, how to survive and all that.
guess ******* what, if your best way to survive is through being selfish, damn right anyone would be.
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mauerman [OP]ONLINE (09/10/2015) [-] They refuse help from The Red Cross, because it is a christian organization
They are not running from war, and haven't been ever since they got out of Syria.
ISIS is not chasing them through Europe.
They are in no danger at all. They are not refugees anymore, just immigrants.
Beggars can't be choosers.
They are not running from war, and haven't been ever since they got out of Syria.
ISIS is not chasing them through Europe.
They are in no danger at all. They are not refugees anymore, just immigrants.
Beggars can't be choosers.
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zeunfunnyguy (09/10/2015) [-] "They are not running from war, and haven't been ever since they got out of Syria."
They're not in immediate danger, no, but since they have been running from a war they don't have the best options on how to survive.
that they refuse help because it's from red cross is retarded and I despise people who make others or themselves suffer because of their religion and that i have no answer for
They're not in immediate danger, no, but since they have been running from a war they don't have the best options on how to survive.
that they refuse help because it's from red cross is retarded and I despise people who make others or themselves suffer because of their religion and that i have no answer for
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alfrsa (09/10/2015) [-]
That's the whole ******* point - they are being choosy. They only want to go to Germany and Sweden, the richest countries. The moment they leave a border country and head inland they are no longer refugees, but illegal immigrants - this by international law.
Help refugees? Absolutely. Pander to economic immigration? No, else you'll only stop when Africa's empty.
Help refugees? Absolutely. Pander to economic immigration? No, else you'll only stop when Africa's empty.
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amuzen ONLINE (09/10/2015) [-]
So basically the majority of them are war mongering extremists followed by lazy sheeple that want to avoid all personal conflict at the expense of others with a couple of actual hard working individuals that want to better themselves and the world they're living in?
Ya know I just had a great idea, America should 'immigrate' all their soldiers into syria and just take the whole damn thing over and be done with it.
Ya know I just had a great idea, America should 'immigrate' all their soldiers into syria and just take the whole damn thing over and be done with it.
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selongb (09/10/2015) [-] Boo fricken hoo, I can't understand people's accents. They are teaching kids their native language, they loiter off the system.
In the USA there are countless legal immigrant families, I've had teachers and professors with Chinese accents so thick that I needed a rubric to understand them. My roommates gf speaks perfect Spanish despite being a 3rd generation Cuban immigrant, because her parents taught her. And to leeching off the system, don't have a leechable system, because there are going to be people, refugee or native, who will abuse the system.
In the USA there are countless legal immigrant families, I've had teachers and professors with Chinese accents so thick that I needed a rubric to understand them. My roommates gf speaks perfect Spanish despite being a 3rd generation Cuban immigrant, because her parents taught her. And to leeching off the system, don't have a leechable system, because there are going to be people, refugee or native, who will abuse the system.
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whoozy (09/10/2015) [-] The problem is that the native population doesn't abuse the system anywhere near the amount that immigrants do. Thats why this system is possible. It helps people get a job, and establish themselves.
Now we'll probably loose this system. Thanks to these useless bastards.
That's what people are complaining about.
Now we'll probably loose this system. Thanks to these useless bastards.
That's what people are complaining about.
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whoozy (09/10/2015) [-] Because we built the welfare system
It's because of our hard work that it exists. Scandinavians use it for a few months to help get a job. These leeches use it for their entire life. These people are ruining what we built and what we pay taxes to uphold.
So basically all the work of our grandparents and the population of today, the high amount of tax we pay to make this sort of society possible is what's at stake here.
We worked and still work for ot, they don't do ****
It's because of our hard work that it exists. Scandinavians use it for a few months to help get a job. These leeches use it for their entire life. These people are ruining what we built and what we pay taxes to uphold.
So basically all the work of our grandparents and the population of today, the high amount of tax we pay to make this sort of society possible is what's at stake here.
We worked and still work for ot, they don't do ****
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selongb (09/10/2015) [-] Reread my comment and answer again.
I'll even reword it for you.
Why would a group that had the initiative to make the trek to Scandinavia from Syria be more inclined to go on welfare?
Two possibilities exist, these people left their home lands, all of their friends and some family and traveled thousands of miles to barely get by in a foreign land, or they came expecting to find a new life with employment, and, for one reason or another, aren't able to find said employment. You tell me which sounds more likely.
I'll even reword it for you.
Why would a group that had the initiative to make the trek to Scandinavia from Syria be more inclined to go on welfare?
Two possibilities exist, these people left their home lands, all of their friends and some family and traveled thousands of miles to barely get by in a foreign land, or they came expecting to find a new life with employment, and, for one reason or another, aren't able to find said employment. You tell me which sounds more likely.
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whoozy (09/10/2015) [-] It's a part of Scandinavian culture and we work to uphold it. It's a safety net so no one should have to fall out of society.
These migrants pretty much share your mindset and well that's where the conflicts at.
We really work hard in an attempt to include and provide for everyone. This will be impossible in the future.
These migrants pretty much share your mindset and well that's where the conflicts at.
We really work hard in an attempt to include and provide for everyone. This will be impossible in the future.
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selongb (09/10/2015) [-] Okay there's the base problem, your country isn't set up with multiculturalism in mind.
Take it from an American, a country built by immigrants, multiculturalism is a net positive. It will require more complex systems to accommodate cultural differences, but the benifits of a multicultural system definaltely outweigh the cost.
Take it from an American, a country built by immigrants, multiculturalism is a net positive. It will require more complex systems to accommodate cultural differences, but the benifits of a multicultural system definaltely outweigh the cost.
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orangelightning (09/10/2015) [-] How is multiculturalism a net positive in what way does it benefit a society as a whole other than being able to buy falafel or some other kinda exotic junk food. It seems in every nation the more multicultural a society is the more problems and criminality there is. Infact the biggest counter argument Americans use to their gun crimes "US have a lot of different ethnicities so there for there are more conflicts"
So which is it?
So which is it?
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whoozy (09/10/2015) [-] You're right when you're saying we aren't built for multiculturalism, but I disagree with your opinion that a multicultural society is superior.
Scandinavia have some of the highest education and living standards in the entire world. We're a lot richer than the average US citizen.
However our system requires people to have some basic ethics. Do not take without giving back.
Scandinavia have some of the highest education and living standards in the entire world. We're a lot richer than the average US citizen.
However our system requires people to have some basic ethics. Do not take without giving back.
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anon (09/10/2015) [-] **anonymous used "*roll picture*"**
**anonymous rolled image** Im with you on every god damn word your saying... My line of business is enforcing certain laws in denmark that i feel i have no say about. There is nothing more annoying then having to help them with my hands tied, know the havok the do here. Especially when i deep inside wanna pleasure them with som 9mm happiness..
Sorry for anon post but this kinda rant i cant do with a name on!
**anonymous rolled image** Im with you on every god damn word your saying... My line of business is enforcing certain laws in denmark that i feel i have no say about. There is nothing more annoying then having to help them with my hands tied, know the havok the do here. Especially when i deep inside wanna pleasure them with som 9mm happiness..
Sorry for anon post but this kinda rant i cant do with a name on!
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anon (09/10/2015) [-]
I'm Hispanic and English was the first language taught to me. My family all come from the United States despite being Mexican and Spanish deep in my ancestors and I hate seeing immigrants do this. Even here people refuse to learn English and sometimes when j got to a store there are some clerks who only speak Spanish. It's ******* stupid! They say they left their country to get away from the turmoil but then start to make the country they moved to as ***** as thier home country! I ******* hate all this politically correct ******** and labeling people racist just because they call other people out on there ******** . When did this third wave femnazi crap come into power? I'm tired of seeing reasonable people have to bow down and pander to these liberal asshats. Sorry my rant doesn't have a point but I agree with everything you said
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anon (09/10/2015) [-]
Tl:dr this post is about language.
Tackiwacker here. I was born in angleland, and by brothers were a few years old when my family immigrated from kenya. My parents never spoke english with me or my brothers, yet we speak flawless english. I am yet to meet an asian raised here from childhood who doesn't have a perfect accent, to the point that I assumed anyone raised in a country that doesn't speak their parents language will learn the countries language whether they want to or not. Heck, even somalians, who have a very bad reputation, speak perfect english when raised here.
Is it that common for kids born in america to not be able to speak english?
Also, denmark is supposed to have better education than the uk, so how can 3rd generation immigrants suck at the language?
Tackiwacker here. I was born in angleland, and by brothers were a few years old when my family immigrated from kenya. My parents never spoke english with me or my brothers, yet we speak flawless english. I am yet to meet an asian raised here from childhood who doesn't have a perfect accent, to the point that I assumed anyone raised in a country that doesn't speak their parents language will learn the countries language whether they want to or not. Heck, even somalians, who have a very bad reputation, speak perfect english when raised here.
Is it that common for kids born in america to not be able to speak english?
Also, denmark is supposed to have better education than the uk, so how can 3rd generation immigrants suck at the language?
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monstervsplayer (09/10/2015) [-]
I'm not a big supporter of refugees myself, but I can't take your post seriously. There is no real discussion here with good arguements for either side of the case, only alot of ranting. This post also basically only consists of argumentative fallpits.
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shieldanvil (09/10/2015) [-] Refugees = People who lack the motivation to fight there own battles. Who is going to fix there country if not them? Who is going to fight ISIS? If you will not be the engine for change in your own country who will? All troop training plans for theses countries have failed, they will not fight for there own country. Get the children out sure but everyone just can't leave. Do you think they will just stoip once they control Syria?
We can't bad mouth the Muslim world, we can't ask them to integrate with our country, hell we can't even ask them to follow the laws, but we can fight there battles, we can provide aid to there countries, we can provide asylum, we can literally try to bribe them not to develop the atomic bomb, we can change our way of life so that they don't feel offended, etc
One day we are all going to be the Muslim world or we are going to wake up, one or the other. Feel free to red thumb me of upside down upside down smiley me to the moon, whatever, It will only further the proof of ignorance in the world.
We can't bad mouth the Muslim world, we can't ask them to integrate with our country, hell we can't even ask them to follow the laws, but we can fight there battles, we can provide aid to there countries, we can provide asylum, we can literally try to bribe them not to develop the atomic bomb, we can change our way of life so that they don't feel offended, etc
One day we are all going to be the Muslim world or we are going to wake up, one or the other. Feel free to red thumb me of upside down upside down smiley me to the moon, whatever, It will only further the proof of ignorance in the world.
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mobilebull (09/10/2015) [-] Jeg er måske politisk uenig med dig, men i det mindste har du stærke argumenter om hvorfor du mener hvad du gør, i stedet for bare at sige de skal ud, fordi.. hehe
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sorinciprian (09/10/2015) [-] not to mention they leave a huge amount of garbage everywhere they go
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anon (09/10/2015) [-]
jeg tror du skal læse lidt op på reglerne for flygtninge i Eu inden du skriver sådan noget her lort. + at det kun er 400 flygtninge som er kommet til danmark, har du hørt at der er 4 milioner som er flygtet fra syrien, det betyder jo ingenting for den danske økonomi og styreform at optage 400 mennesker mere.
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segwaynazi (09/10/2015) [-] I feel you man, in Serbia is a **** storm of bad politics and bad economy and now we are having refugees like crazy and our dumb country is helping them, i wouldnt mind if they want to work like farming and stuff bcs thats what we need here, instead they just parasite.
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booor (09/10/2015) [-] as a lebanese
i have suffered from the syrian problem from since i was born and before that my parents
their people are just bread on being lazy and abusive of the system
we have more syrians than lebanese in lebanon, they are some nasty people.
most crimes are committed by them, they take all the jobs for a fraction of the minimal wage creating a major economic problem.
so i am totally with you on this post
i have suffered from the syrian problem from since i was born and before that my parents
their people are just bread on being lazy and abusive of the system
we have more syrians than lebanese in lebanon, they are some nasty people.
most crimes are committed by them, they take all the jobs for a fraction of the minimal wage creating a major economic problem.
so i am totally with you on this post
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anon (09/10/2015) [-]
You are right bro, most are bloody cowardly men who wont stand up for their home land. I dread that these fkers get into to uk because they are all perverts and child molestors.
I hope the people helping them dont complain when their taxes are increased or their kids cant get into school or they have to wait an extra half hour at the hospital cos of these damn goobacks.
If i wasnt afraid of losing my lively hood and being imprisoned i could take this into my own hands. I think the reason most english people havent is because they will be giving up a lifetime of happiness to protect the shores.
As a refugee you would be incredibly happy with the first safe country you enter.
Fk em all.
I hope the people helping them dont complain when their taxes are increased or their kids cant get into school or they have to wait an extra half hour at the hospital cos of these damn goobacks.
If i wasnt afraid of losing my lively hood and being imprisoned i could take this into my own hands. I think the reason most english people havent is because they will be giving up a lifetime of happiness to protect the shores.
As a refugee you would be incredibly happy with the first safe country you enter.
Fk em all.
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anon (09/10/2015) [-]
You are right bro, most are bloody cowardly men who wont stand up for their home land. I dread that these fkers get into to uk because they are all perverts and child molestors.
I hope the people helping them dont complain when their taxes are increased or their kids cant get into school or they have to wait an extra half hour at the hospital cos of these damn goobacks.
If i wasnt afraid of losing my lively hood and being imprisoned i could take this into my own hands. I think the reason most english people havent is because they will be giving up a lifetime of happiness to protect the shores.
As a refugee you would be incredibly happy with the first safe country you enter.
Fk em all.
I hope the people helping them dont complain when their taxes are increased or their kids cant get into school or they have to wait an extra half hour at the hospital cos of these damn goobacks.
If i wasnt afraid of losing my lively hood and being imprisoned i could take this into my own hands. I think the reason most english people havent is because they will be giving up a lifetime of happiness to protect the shores.
As a refugee you would be incredibly happy with the first safe country you enter.
Fk em all.
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stk (09/10/2015) [-]
"You are right bro, most are bloody cowardly men who wont stand up for their home land. I dread that these fkers get into to uk because they are all perverts and child molestors."
And all english cunts are ugly, which is why their men are so faggy. Logic applied thoroughly.
If you're not willing to take matters into your own hands, aren't you a coward as well? They flee from war, and you're too scared of going to a benign prison for stopping them. If you really feel you have just reason on your side, prison shoulder matter.
And all english cunts are ugly, which is why their men are so faggy. Logic applied thoroughly.
If you're not willing to take matters into your own hands, aren't you a coward as well? They flee from war, and you're too scared of going to a benign prison for stopping them. If you really feel you have just reason on your side, prison shoulder matter.
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stk (09/10/2015) [-]
Well, if you don't do anything, you're gonna lose it anyway. I fail to see, how you can justify not doing anything, if you legitimately think this is a turning point in your society.
You talk the talk, but you don't walk the walk. You're a coward. Either you do what you think is right, regardless of consequences, or you're just a coward.
You talk the talk, but you don't walk the walk. You're a coward. Either you do what you think is right, regardless of consequences, or you're just a coward.
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stk (09/10/2015) [-]
Since your head must be made of rocks, I can see why it's an appropriate analogy.
Keep telling yourself you're worth so much, but when you lose it, you can only blame yourself. You had your chance to do a difference, but didn't, and now your family is going to get rapped (according to your own argument).
"thanks daddy! You could have tried to stop this, but where too scared of going to jail. If you just did something you could have prevented my rape, but you didn't. What lucky daughter I am" - what a spoiled, sarcastic brat your kid is, huh?
Keep telling yourself you're worth so much, but when you lose it, you can only blame yourself. You had your chance to do a difference, but didn't, and now your family is going to get rapped (according to your own argument).
"thanks daddy! You could have tried to stop this, but where too scared of going to jail. If you just did something you could have prevented my rape, but you didn't. What lucky daughter I am" - what a spoiled, sarcastic brat your kid is, huh?
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assassindash (09/10/2015) [-] So why not mark down the ones who are working and their kids, and then go full genocide on the asses of the ones who aren't.
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hazelnutqt (09/10/2015) [-]
Could you kindly source this man?
Most immigrants not working here are claiming disability benefits, because "they have PTSD from fleeing from the war".
I live in Denmark too, and I've never heard of this. Most of them?
Most of them are trying to leech, and do nothing, because deep down they know they are not wanted, so they won't even try to get us to like them. I mean, come on, what kind of ****** attitude is that?
Also this, my gut feeling doesn't want to believe this. I'd love to see some proper sources for some of your claims!
Ty
Most immigrants not working here are claiming disability benefits, because "they have PTSD from fleeing from the war".
I live in Denmark too, and I've never heard of this. Most of them?
Most of them are trying to leech, and do nothing, because deep down they know they are not wanted, so they won't even try to get us to like them. I mean, come on, what kind of ****** attitude is that?
Also this, my gut feeling doesn't want to believe this. I'd love to see some proper sources for some of your claims!
Ty
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mauerman [OP]ONLINE (09/10/2015) [-] There is not enough research on this subject to quote something recent, but I did find this.
mesu.ku.dk/boxes/news/Rapport_NyankomneIndvandreresSundhed_MESU2013.pdf
It states that some parents have a hard time controlling themselves, and their anger, and therefore can't work in a civilized way and therefore claim disability and get a bigger benefit.
Also, if you live here, you should be able to see, that if you even try to accuse immigrants of anything, leeching, cheating, anything, you are immediately branded as a racist, because they are oh so innocent, and we should help them through every step of the way.
mesu.ku.dk/boxes/news/Rapport_NyankomneIndvandreresSundhed_MESU2013.pdf
It states that some parents have a hard time controlling themselves, and their anger, and therefore can't work in a civilized way and therefore claim disability and get a bigger benefit.
Also, if you live here, you should be able to see, that if you even try to accuse immigrants of anything, leeching, cheating, anything, you are immediately branded as a racist, because they are oh so innocent, and we should help them through every step of the way.
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stk (09/10/2015) [-]
This report does not state anything about what you claim.
Most Immigrants get disability benefits, you say? The report investigate the connections between health and newly arrived refugees/immigrants, so it's obvious going to be about sick people.
If you live in DK and get sick, you should have medical treatment, regardless of your background. It's called universal welfare and guess what, immigrants have contributed to it as well. Not all immigrants are jobless, that's ridiculous.
I live in DK as well, I see immigrants who work, and immigrants who don't. I also see Danes who work, and Danes who don't, but I don't pass judgment on all of them.
Most Immigrants get disability benefits, you say? The report investigate the connections between health and newly arrived refugees/immigrants, so it's obvious going to be about sick people.
If you live in DK and get sick, you should have medical treatment, regardless of your background. It's called universal welfare and guess what, immigrants have contributed to it as well. Not all immigrants are jobless, that's ridiculous.
I live in DK as well, I see immigrants who work, and immigrants who don't. I also see Danes who work, and Danes who don't, but I don't pass judgment on all of them.
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truemecid (09/10/2015) [-] It still does not support anything you claim and since when has the news outlet ever been a good source for anything than sensationalist news?
The news are not a good source to quote when you are talking about scientific observation and statistics regarding anything.
I will second what the former poster said, the report is about the physical and mental health of immigrants from the middle east. Which shows that due to the volatile situation and poverty in these countries that they are often very sick or susceptible to diseases in northern countries.
Actually it shows somewhat the opposite and gives plenty of reasons why they are on dissability benefits. Usually because of war and poverty.
(Also big shocker: You get some serious mental problems when you lose your life and have to leave your family behind to hopefully find a country that will take you and your family in, so they can get a better life.)
(Also big shocker that they are physically hurt when they have been abused by smugglers and have to travel through a war-torn country were a soldier might mean death.)
The news are not a good source to quote when you are talking about scientific observation and statistics regarding anything.
I will second what the former poster said, the report is about the physical and mental health of immigrants from the middle east. Which shows that due to the volatile situation and poverty in these countries that they are often very sick or susceptible to diseases in northern countries.
Actually it shows somewhat the opposite and gives plenty of reasons why they are on dissability benefits. Usually because of war and poverty.
(Also big shocker: You get some serious mental problems when you lose your life and have to leave your family behind to hopefully find a country that will take you and your family in, so they can get a better life.)
(Also big shocker that they are physically hurt when they have been abused by smugglers and have to travel through a war-torn country were a soldier might mean death.)
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stk (09/10/2015) [-]
Well, most Danes who don't work claim disability as well. Probably because they are disabled. Can you see how it works in tandem? You don't get disability benefit just by claiming it, you often have to prove it. But let me guess, you don't think the system in DK can properly recognize people with PTSD or other disabilities?
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truemecid (09/10/2015) [-] This so much, the danish system has begun to heavily monitor the people on benefits so much that to many it messes up their everyday and care (Doctor visits, therapists, etc.) because they have to meet with an official to discuss their benefit and how they can get off it.
Most of what the OP is shouting is ******** to be honest. I live in an area in Denmark with a lot of immigrants and they go to work just as everyone else does. Perhaps some of the older first generation immigrants are still on benefits but not the young. They work their asses off just as the rest of us.
But OP displays the sort of luxuary racism that has started to get popular in Denmark. Can't get to work because of refugees. They should just **** off to their own country. **** their background and whatever reason they have to flee. I mean **** them right? You might be 5 minutes late to work or to collect your own benefits.
Most of what the OP is shouting is ******** to be honest. I live in an area in Denmark with a lot of immigrants and they go to work just as everyone else does. Perhaps some of the older first generation immigrants are still on benefits but not the young. They work their asses off just as the rest of us.
But OP displays the sort of luxuary racism that has started to get popular in Denmark. Can't get to work because of refugees. They should just **** off to their own country. **** their background and whatever reason they have to flee. I mean **** them right? You might be 5 minutes late to work or to collect your own benefits.
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anon (09/10/2015) [-]
What you are saying is a lie. You have no proof of this other than preconceived, biased opinions. You are generalising and making it worse for everybody, even yourself, but you are probably not aware of this.
You have to be naive to have opninions like yours, but unfortunately many are just that. The world would be a better place without you and your likes.
You have to be naive to have opninions like yours, but unfortunately many are just that. The world would be a better place without you and your likes.
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Whaaaaaaaaa (09/10/2015) [-] Then I must respectfully request that you house a refugee family in your home.. on your own dime. if you decline then they will be brought into your home anyways. If you complain about any ill behaviors or destruction of your property we will label you a bigot, racist, or as you selective naive. then claim the world will be a better place without you.
it amazes me how self-righteous people that are not effected by any of this feel.
it amazes me how self-righteous people that are not effected by any of this feel.
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Whaaaaaaaaa (09/10/2015) [-] It does. if you feel that Refugees from Syria need to be brought to your nation, house and taken care of then you should take care of a family or two to assist in your decision so that when it fails you can not solely blame your government.
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alexwinning (09/10/2015) [-]
That's not proof. A single person stating their opinion, or their observations, is not undeniable proof. As a matter of fact, it is the very weakest form of proof.
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Whaaaaaaaaa (09/10/2015) [-] hm, wish everyone thought about that when they post Cops are corrupt racist out to take away their freedoms..
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relvel (09/10/2015) [-] I didn't say it was undeniable. I was stating that it was proof in response to anon's claim of there being no proof. Anon's statement made it sound like he thought Mauerman's views were formed without any basis, as if there was no reason for Mauerman to have his opinion. I'm saying that Mauerman does have a reason to think the way he does. I wasn't agreeing with him, and I wasn't disagreeing with him.
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anon (09/10/2015) [-]
Yes i know that what he posted is how he percieve the world around him of course. But it just really annoys me when a post like this gets so much attention. People have a tendency to believe things on the internet (and elsewhere) if there's just a little bit of efford put into the presentation.
This is not how the majority of people in Denmark percieves the situation (thankfully), but when people who don't care or don't know about being critical to sources, they could very easily be led to believe that this is in fact true, thereby leading more people to draw misinformed conclusions which may lead to decisions that have actual consequence. And that would be the bad consequences.
This is not how the majority of people in Denmark percieves the situation (thankfully), but when people who don't care or don't know about being critical to sources, they could very easily be led to believe that this is in fact true, thereby leading more people to draw misinformed conclusions which may lead to decisions that have actual consequence. And that would be the bad consequences.
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anon (09/10/2015) [-]
Yes, he is stating his impression of the world. His perspective does not equal worldwide facts. If you want facts about something like this you look at the statistics. Numbers and math does not lie. Biased people who does not check facts and generalize everyone are just as much a part of the problem as the bad people. Am I saying that all refugees are in fact "true refugees"? No. I am saying that just because there lies a few rotten apples under the tree doesn't mean every ******* apple on the tree is rotten. One of the big problems with the integration in Scandinavia up until this point is that the refugees/immigrants often end up in ghettos and hoods. Take Oslo East and Rosengård in Stockholm as examples, and thus the integration process is stopped/halted. With better integration the results will also be a lot better.
But just because he lives in Denmark doesn't make him an expert on the subject. I live in Oslo and I have very, very good experiences with most immigrants. 99 out of 100 are decent people, just like with Danes, Norwegians and Swedes. There are assholes in all countries, but that doesn't mean they are an asshole because they are from that specific country. So the next time you want to make accusations like this, please check your facts instead of just being a cunt.
But just because he lives in Denmark doesn't make him an expert on the subject. I live in Oslo and I have very, very good experiences with most immigrants. 99 out of 100 are decent people, just like with Danes, Norwegians and Swedes. There are assholes in all countries, but that doesn't mean they are an asshole because they are from that specific country. So the next time you want to make accusations like this, please check your facts instead of just being a cunt.
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anon (09/10/2015) [-]
I live in Denmark too, and I can tell you that what the OP posts is not how things are. Just read the news. You know. Places with sources. It's not really that hard to educate yourself on topics, but somehow people still insist on opening their mouth without any actual proof for their claims.
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alphagex (09/10/2015) [-] I so knew it deep down it was bad idea to accept them.Also a lot of people will call me racist on this.But wait till one of them because crazy and become a terrorist and blow up some part of the country that took him in.
In canada some **** like that happened.Just wait a few years and you see my words will become truth
Hell they get offended by a drawing of their prohet muhamed if takes that little for them t turn ******* imagine if something more giantic happend
Hell I'm christian You could draw a pic of god ******* jesus i would not care.I be like ''god will judge you for that'' I will not come and kill you.That is a basic difference between muslim and christian.
In canada some **** like that happened.Just wait a few years and you see my words will become truth
Hell they get offended by a drawing of their prohet muhamed if takes that little for them t turn ******* imagine if something more giantic happend
Hell I'm christian You could draw a pic of god ******* jesus i would not care.I be like ''god will judge you for that'' I will not come and kill you.That is a basic difference between muslim and christian.
