Some of them don't even need the money. I am from greece and i was at peireus yesterdaty (athens port) and i happened to be there at the same time they were unloading "refuges" from mitilini a greek island they illegaly head to from the oh so war torn Turkey and they were happily taking selfies with iphones... no sad starving people just people acting like they were on vacation...

Sorry i don't have any sympathy for refugees when there are greeks searching through the garbage for food. Yet our great government decides to give shelters with free wifi to refugees because those poor poor people can't live without facebook. Because why not? Its not like we need the money right? We only owe to half the planet lets go for 100%.

I wish we had the balls australia had to say "hey you cross into our waters illegally we will sink you "

Exactly... And i'd rather see that money go to where its needed so that greece can stand in its feet again by following the EU reforms rather than wifi covered shelters for iphone owning refugees

You guys act like its money down the drain. If they spend it in Danish shops it's not going to waste. Its still in the economy. The country wont become poorer, the government will just have to rebudget or reduce expenditure. Oh no, they cant repair that highway for the 200th time, tragic.

By your marvelous logic they can give me everyone's ******* money and I promise I'll spend it. It won't be down the drain. In fact maybe I could just speed things up and just rob a bank, I'll spend it!

If Jordan and other Middle eastern countries can take in MILLIONS of refugees then you cant possibly say that oh so rich Denmark cant take a few tens of thousands. Sure, cut the benefits, but you can't kick them out as so many recommend.

To be honest, this is mostly a problem about Islam. We all know this. That religion just seems extremely toxic to me, and I don't think you should be called a racists for raising concerns about it. I have known a lot of people who come from arabic Countries and they are nice... But the way they treat women, all the double standards involved, are just really unsettling.

I wouldn't call this a religious issue. Christians, Muslims and Jews share the same God. It's entirely cultural, and there should be no shame in exclaiming that our culture is simply vastly superior to theirs. We all know Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Qatar, etc would be ********* if it wasn't for the massive amounts of natural resources that they posses. They do not represent the pinnacle of Arab culture, they are just the lucky ones.

What I do not like is when people (look at the comments here) reduce themselves to savages and claim they should be exterminated. That's just highly hypocritical. We should lead by example, not devolve ourselves into that which we hate.

That said, refugees are refugees and they must be taken care of in an organized manner. Whatever the **** is going on at the moment is not how it should be done, considering the clear national security dangers these refugees present. I have no doubt that some of them are ISIS sympathizers.

"we" like you're the one who has to give them anything
shut the **** up you beguilingly selfish arseholes

"gimme gimme gimme" - the post

go outside

oh wow good reply. u showed me

"I'm supeeeeeerior hrrrrgghghhnngh"

we're all draining the world of its limited resources

back down off your high horse, kid

go back outside

go outside

:') there it is

I'm a teacher

& stop reading all the wrong newspapers

& get off FJ

& become as inwardly productive as you are currently outwardly destructive

sorry, you're - you're just so superior to me, I - I can't

read a book

ain't you tired?

try harder

plenty of big chain companies don't though. don't see you complaining about them. lazy ******* picking easy targets along with everyone else

Sorry pal, it might've got lost amongst all the other "hrrgh m-muh taxes" ******** being thrown at me here

Dude, you talk so much **** , I dont know if your joking or if your serious. Either way keep up the good work.

plenty of big chain companies don't though. don't see you complaining about them. lazy ******* picking easy targets along with everyone else

big companies hoarde money and stow it away in swiss banks - this ***** up the economy more than scroungers ever will. syrians are as valid as you and are as entitled to comfort as you are

stop wanking yourself off for 10 minutes over your own over-inflated sense of self and learn about what real humanity means for a change

read a book

I druther my taxes go towards saving people than towards duckhouses & flipflops for our esteemed MPs

aye, I know

You have no idea how government works, so you?

It doesn't ******* matter. we'll be alright. It doesn't matter how much disruption their coming here causes. "the refugees are causing traffic on the motorways" are you ******* kidding me? people are dying and you're ****** off cos you can't get to work? shut the **** up. back in your box.

innit! ******* preach, bro! like christ not only do they have 100fold problems, they are as ******* valid as you as human beings! jhaysus

**** them. On behalf of many Ukrainians I say. **** them. EU regulations about migration from Ukraine have been tight for many years and when the Ukrainian conflict started it tightened even more. Majority would straight out get rejected. I'm talking about the people from the area of actual conflict, not even talking about thousands of Ukrainians from around, those had no chance of being accepted whatsoever. But you know what? I understood that. It's not simple to just accept thousands of refugees just like that and it has always been tough. So Ukrainians instead scattered around to whoever would take them, they just wanted a peaceful life, even though they received a harsh welcome.

Now this thing with Syria happened. I understand that as well. War, all the same all over again. But look at that! Hundreds of thousands of refugees coming just in EU and millions around! And more importantly, they get accepted. They don't wait for months and months to receive any help whatsoever. They don't get massively rejected. They set up camps for them, give out food, clothes, offer asylum. Do they accept? No. No, they want to go to Germany, they want to go to Denmark, they want to go to Britain, they want to go to Sweden... What is that, the refugees say, you want me to get asylum here? In Hungary? In Italy? In Greece? In Czech Republic? NO, they say. And they go to block the highways, they block the trains, they sometimes attack trucks, sometimes they even attack people. They will complain, We have waited here for a week! Let us go to Germany! While in refugees camps, they complain about the quality of food, they complain about quality of clothes, they want a ******* phone reception, they want a proper job. Then they are disappointed because "the life in Europe is not what I imagined it would be".

On behalf of many Ukrainians, I say to refugees, are you ******* kidding me? You get opportunities so much better than anyone else fleeing from war and you even have the audacity to complain? You have so many choices that you even dare to choose where to flee? **** you. **** . You.

Now, I understand that there are thousands and thousands of refugees that don't actually care where to run, they just want to run away from war. For those, I will go out, welcome them warmly, offer food and shelter. For the rest of those wannabe helpless victims, deportation. If you can afford to choose then you are not really in need.

Also, I won't say that EU is being hypocritical. I won't, even though Ukrainians got a much harsher attitude. Why? Because I think that being willing to help and provide is always good. Even if Ukrainians didn't receive it, that kind of change is always welcome. I am however incredibly pissed at the choosy "refugees". They don't realize what they are being offered and they don't really value what they get. And to the EU I say, beware, you are getting ****** over.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=-amDKfV5Hdw

www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZG3eKi4C0k

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/immigrants-have-attacked-stabbed-british-5908519

www.ilgiornale.it/news/cronache/capo-rizzuto-immigrati-bloccano-statale-vogliamo-wifi-e-i-1105626.html?mobile_detect=false (google translate it)

www.thelocal.it/20150715/migrants-in-sicily-revolt-over-unpaid-pocket-money

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3204828/Riot-breaks-overcrowded-refugee-camp-Germany-resident-tore-pages-Koran.html

www.facebook.com/e3f60P9Q/posts/947919768591579 (translate with google)

I don't know just throwing a few I know about...

Because they are pissed that they won't let them go to Germany. The trains were halted due to security reasons. I think they are also afraid that they might take them to one of the refugee camps in Hungary.

They are angry. They got plenty of water and food already. So in protest they just throw the rest away. Then in a day or two they'll ask for food again... Hell, they won't even ask, just wait or straight out demand. Because they know they will get it anyway.

Because they're ******* uncivilized savages.

This should be stickied.

The reason they want to go to the northern countries is because those northern countries give them rights. In Hungary they were kicked out on trains to Germany. In Eastern Europe they were poisoned and hated. They don't want to leave their countries to live somewhere that the government will hate them and the people will poison them. They want to go somewhere that will give them rights. As it should be.

Immigrants aren't liked anywhere. The days of surplus of work and space are decades since gone, there are too many people on Earth, there is less work and fewer chances to get up in society. As a Ukrainian who immigrated to Czech Republic I can say that even here I used to be discriminated. By people, pressured by government, immense amount of money to just be able to live here, leading a very modest way of life. I remember the times when we even had problems with food as we couldn't afford much, which are thankfully gone. Being hungry is something hard to live with and I can't even imagine how much worse it must had been for my parents to see their kids hungry and not being able to do anything about that. But I never complained. I was the different one and I did everything I could not to show where I am from, everything I could to assimilate. When in Rome, do as the Romans do. And that's how it should be. When you come en masse and cause chaos, it shouldn't be in any way surprising that you get more negativity than a usual immigrant would. As an immigrant I've learned that the less attention you draw, the better. By causing this chaos they are like magnets for hatred. This is something you just have to endure. By rolling out to the richer countries they are just creating an even worse image of themselves.

In your situation you were able to blend in, assimilate. But as long as there is a population that despises refugees, they will never be able to assimilate fully. To some people,employers or shopkeeps they will always be a Arab refugee. In some "poorer" countries this extends to the government also. Fortunately for them, the governments of richer countries don't think like that (at the moment).

Don't you think the refugees live a very (im using this word very loosely) "modest" way of life? They didnt take a plane or a train for most of the way. They ******* walked thousands of miles. Why do you think its mostly men? Others simply can not do it or they die. After all that do you think they want to be turned back by Australia and Hungary or worse, poisoned? Of course anyone would be ******* mad.

By rolling out to the richer countries they are creating a better life for themselves.

Yes. for employers or shopkeepers they will always be Arab refugees, just like my parents will always be Ukrainians to everyone. That's more or less the usual outcome for the first generation. They are the immigrants and will always be. The assimilation isn't as important for them as it is important for their kids. That's why I was able to assimilate. My parents will never fully assimilate. You can't just live most of your life in one country and culture, then move somewhere else and change in a few years. That's not how humans work.

I mentioned the modest way of life to make clear that I'm not talking out of my arse, I have an idea how it is to live like that. I understand that they want a better life, better life for their kids. But I stand for what I said, the reaction they get is very natural. They aren't "fleeing the war", they don't want just to "survive", which is what asylum is for. They want a better life. But guess what? Everyone does! Why don't we take whole Africa in? Their situation is even worse and more than that they can't even physically get here.

If your situation is so hopeless, if your life is in constant danger from the bombs flying over your head, the negative attitude you get form people that do, in fact, provide you an opportunity to live in a country without war should be of least priority to you. Talk to other people who want to immigrate from other countries for better life to the same countries these immigrants want to get in. Can they get in? No! Nowadays it's damn near impossible. These refugees get extra care because their country is ravaged by war but their needs aren't of those whose country is ravaged by war, they act as if they were just like the very immigrants who are going for better life. They are exploiting the system, simply put.

The negativity is something that every immigrant will have to get through. Migrating is hard, it's never easy. Sometimes impossible.

stop taking it all so personally and do something for someone else for a change. sort out your ******* victim complex

I don't give a **** . They can come here & then we can sort something out. If you're worried about money, worry about the fatcats at the top of the foodchain, absorbing billions and billions of pounds and filing it all away in swiss banks. that's what's actually ******* up the economy

amazon evades billions of pounds worth of tax
come back when your maths adds up pal

There's just a fine line between a racist and a person who has genuine concerns. That's why having a discussion about this is so difficult. I wouldn't be surprised if most people here fit the racist definition. FJ has always been full of idiots.

It's such a shame. It's a discussion which does indeed need genuine attention but racism throws so many spanners in the works & does indeed make it so difficult

It's always been that way, just blame the immigrants for all the national issues you yourself have caused. There's no doubt that the corrupt are the ones who benefit the most from the fear-mongering because it switches attention away from them.

precisely. amazon avade billions of pounds-worth of taxes but no one gives a **** because everyone thinks the 'scroungers' are the real problem

You haven't read this post, obviously. There's oh, 12000 km of completely peaceful continent between Syria and Denmark. These refugees are only coming to Denmark for benefits, they pay no tax and refuse to conform to the nation's laws.

>people can't get to work
That's fine, the government will just magic more money out of thin air! That's how Denmark got so rich in the first place!
Go back to sniffing Hilary Clinton's asshole you uneducated plebeian ****

You are the uneducated plebeian **** if you consider a FJ post your source of news and information

www.cnn.com/2015/09/09/world/welcome-syrian-refugees-countries/

Germany and Sweden simply have the most. Denmark has the most per capita.

"I think it's important that we signal being a community that rests on common values of democracy and defense of human rights." This basically tells you everything that you need to know.

Are you seriously that much of a mindless ******* that you think a Funnyjunk post has a higher standard than a CNN report?

CNN isn't the greatest because of their sensationalism, but they don't just straight up lie. I found that article on a quick google search and it is the most comprehensive piece of info I found about the refugee's destinations.

But Sweden only has less than double the population. Yet Denmark takes 6 times less refugees, way to go

I was talking about the map that says NO WAR in just about every other European country. Denmark's just the most badly affected and the one country getting all the ******** thrown in its direction.

how bout you wank your determinedly self-absorbed pseudo-intellect into a more productive passtime than worrying about how dying people are gonna affect the prices of your ******* chocolate before your media-endorsed selfishness becomes a countrywide sickness

uh....i think i'd trade some refugees for some cheaper chocolate........

war @ home. don't be naive

"not my problem" honestly

go tell em all to **** off home then

It was meant as an ironic statement - like a dare, I s'pose

You should, because it's the right thing to do. Good will IS what makes the world go round.

Who says good will is a finite source? There's an infinite amount.
Good will is simply just not money for you can always give money to the homeless person but will that really change their life? Be it any problem, if millions of people showed good will then the problems of today would be much more scarce.
Unfortunately people don't.

Your example is why the homeless should be in homeless shelters and be taken care of by the government. I almost never give them money personally but I do not mind donating to charity or getting a tax raise from a government I consider at least mildly responsible.

In the end, homelessness exists because of lack of good will. Treating refugees with fairness, even if they themselves act unfairly, will not be enough to fix the world, but I think that building up a very good record on human rights, while also continuing to be prosperous, can compel other countries to do the same.

Holy **** you just don't get it, do you?

You don't wanna talk on terms of ethics, fine then.

What happens when you let a large amount of people sit and rot in the middle of the desert? What happens if you do not let them escape their war-ravaged country? Have you ever thought about why the Middle East is a ******** in the first place? I think centuries of violence, some of it you can blame on religion, is part of the reason. I think it would be a great idea, for everyone's sake, to rid the region of all the hypocrisy, corruption and violence that has infested it for so long. The 2003 invasion of Iraq was created as means to accomplish that but it failed miserably, so a military option, I think, will never work out.

What you end up with is a war of cultures where the most SUPERIOR culture will dictate the course of history, including the middle east and other areas of concern like China and Russia. Morals are intertwined with culture on a basic level, that's why I brought it up. It's the theory of the clash of the civilizations. Wanna know what, I think, holds the best culture in the world? That's right, Denmark along with other Scandinavian countries. Regularly, they are placed the happiest countries in the world.

When Sweden decides to take in a fairly large amount of refugees (and other kinds of asylum seekers, for that matter), they do so because it is a way for them to exert the power of their culture towards the middle east. You think that morals don't matter but in the end, morals are tied with logic and logic ALWAYS wins.

The poor ***** who flock over your country wont turn it into a ******** because as they become older and their children become more Danish or Sweden, the bad elements of their original traditions fizzle up and die and they adopt the vastly superior values and cultures of their new homes. It simply makes sense. Those people are poor not because of lack of monetary resources, but because of lack of good morals and traditions. Bad cultures do not spread around like an infectious disease, despite what you might believe. In this case, the opposite happens: Good cultures and morals spread around very fast. Look at how Vietnam on how they have adopted capitalist policies. Look at the USA and the rise of Bernie Sanders, a socialist.

As the countries in the middle east fight over their stupid **** , they will start to know of people who fled, adopted different cultures that respect women and value pacifism, and now live a much happier life. Word of mouth spreads and will be the catalyst for the cultural revolution that region needs so much.

It is part of what happened in the Arab spring. The people there rose up as they learned of other countries like America and Germany where there is a much higher standard of liberty. They learned of brothers and sisters who emigrated there and now lead a happier life. I would hazard to guess that due to the Syrian war, people no longer think of America as the standard bearer; those people now look up to Sweden. That is good news for them. After the end of the cold war, this sort of recognition has been the prime standard of power. Everyone says that Russia and China are world powers, but nobody anywhere looks up to them. Their power is as empty as those of the rich Arab Countries, countries that spawned terrorists like Osama Bin Laden.

Look, TLR, nobody is saying you should spend all your resources to take refugees in. What I'm saying is that you shouldn't look at it in such a bad way. As I said in an earlier post, there's clear concerns about Islam that should be addressed, like banning Burkas in public (like in France.) The costs look steep now but they will bring revenue in a long term basis. How? By making the world as good as your country is.

You are right that it is hard to rattle about it, it's just very hard to find a starting point because utilitarianism works in an extremely complicated way. This is something that takes up books, not college-grade essays.

What you are talking about is the whole notion that the world sucks, that everyone is an asshole and that it would be naive to think that people can overcome human nature. It's true that people cannot overcome their human nature, that is why anarchism or communism don't work and why capitalism is the best alternative. This isn't so much about ensuring that everyone does positive things but by ensuring they don't do bad things.

The fact is that history has ALWAYS gone in one direction, and that is of a more moral society. Some traditions, policies, laws that took place in the 1800's are now seen as abhorrent. You can just take racism as an example. I don't have to make a huge post about this, you can think up of many examples where society has clearly evolved. We have always been heading in the right direction, and it is going much faster now because of globalization. The fact that life still sucks doesn't mean we haven't improved. Technological advances, such as airplanes and the internet, has made it much easier to form bridges between cultures.

I simply think that we must fix the middle east, and the best way to do it is forming cultural bridges with them. Obviously, using the military is out of the question. We must "westenize" them. I hate to say it, but we must get rid of Islam the way it is practiced there, or get rid of it all together. One way to do so is allowing them to immigrate; it is a cultural bridge that is far more intimate than, say, opening up a mcdonalds somewhere over there. Those who immigrate keep family ties to those who stayed at home, and it is through that connection how ideas are passed.

You may think Bernie Sanders means nothing right now, but to me it is clear that he will rise up be able to reach the democratic nomination. That is HUGE progress in a country where socialism has been seen as a huge pejorative. Yeah, although I don't neccessarily agree with many of the things he says, him winning the presidency would shift the country slightly to the left, which is what it needs at the moment.

"The poor ***** who flock over your country wont turn it into a ******** because as they become older and their children become more Danish or Sweden, the bad elements of their original traditions fizzle up and die and they adopt the vastly superior values and cultures of their new homes."

This, this is the tricky part. It has been proven countless times in sociology that the 3rd generation of immigrants tend to be more radical about their grandparents' homeland values than the grandparents themselves. Shortly, people are afraid of what the current immigrants will do to their country, but they should be afraid what their grandchildren will do. For all we know a mass wave of radicals might flourish, or Islamic conservatives in our west countries. I won't tell you what the 3d generation theory is exactly about, but the first generation, the ones that actually immigrated, they tend to more or less assimilate (at least they are likely to, if they don't only come for welfare and do ******** ), then they teach their kids, the 2nd generation, about those values and those kids live the modest lives along with their parents, they are still perceived as immigrants in the society but they likely to try assimilated even harder. Now the third generations faces a dilemma, where do they belong do. They are likely to live a good, not necessarily modest, life. Even though still somehow different from the rest of the society. Surprisingly a big part would choose their ancestry over the, like you said, superior culture of the country they live in, and they tend to be proud about that. Like I said, I don't know the details but I do know that this tendency has been proven. If we get past the 3rd generation barrier and don't get ravaged by these immigrants from the inside, then we are all good.

Do I need to explain the difference between hypothesis and theory?

It's hard to come up with evidence because I don't really know what word to search for, but I was taught the opposite in my sociology and globalization class. Third immigration immigrants are almost always completely assimilated into the melting pot. What you are saying is something I know has happened in, say, Mexico after the Spanish colonization, when people got extremely fed up with the Spanish monarchy and took up pride of their ancestry, but it isn't the same thing.

That said, Arabs are different, and I do think they could get a little "help" by, for example, banning Burkas or polygamy.

A third generation immigrant refers to the grandchildren of the original immigrants, how can you be so sure that ones you've met fit that description? Their grand-parents or even their parents might have crappy manners, I know because I live in Los Angeles, nobody disputes that.

The 3rd generation problem as far as I remember was registered particularly in relation to Muslim immigrants. The thing is that most of the islamic extremists that came around from the West constitute the 3rd generation of Arab immigrants. This is a widespread tendency. This doesn't mean that the whole 3rd generation are extremists, extremists make a very low % anyway. But it says that the majority of them are the 3rd generation. There were several sociological aspects to that. I can't tell much right now but I do remember hearing of this on more than one occasion. So who knows, maybe you are right, maybe I am. We both agree on burkas and polygamy though.

That must have been about, say, muslim British nationals joining ISIS. Islam, along with some of its bad elements, is extremely pervasive. I'm confident that most Muslims who are raised in first world countries are well mannered and hate violence though, unlike those raised in middle east countries.

I'm positive I've heard about the 3rd generation problem before ISIS even existed. No doubt that the Muslims raised in the West are much less likely to be extremists than those raised in the Middle East. I'm just talking about those extremists that came out of Europe. I think the 3rd generation problem doesn't affect only Muslims but other ethnics as well. But hell if I know. Like I said, maybe you're right after all. It's just that I've heard numerous times that this has been proved. That's all.

Yeah, steadily increasing nationalism, breakdown of the state, and widespread Islamophobia pale in comparison to muh chocolate prices