What, you mean having characters stare blankly at each other for minutes at a time while occasionally raising their hands to better express themselves isn't animation?
I for one think Family Guy's animation is gorgeous! Where else would you find beautiful scenes of people showing fierce emotion in one moment and then a second later reverting to a blank stare?
Go watch some crappy animations from Studio Ghibli or Disney.
The simpsons was practically the first successful cartoon family sitcom. What do they expect. There are a 'Simpsons' in many genres that act as the template of many of the shows that come after it.
I'ma stop you right there and introduce you to this guy who was literally the basis for both simpsons and family guy, and both shows even admitted it in their crossover
well you're almost right. there was the flintstones, jetsons, and im sure many others. i myself am pretty young so i'm not aware of all of them. the simpsons kind of stood out in that it had more realism too it, it was more relatable to people. while at the same time maintaining that absurdity that cartoons watchers loved. The Simpsons had INSANE success though, so it spurred a lot of similar style cartoons.
I love how people do nothing but **** on Family Guy. You go make your own show, tell me how easy it is. At the very least, stop being an asshole and let people enjoy what they enjoy. Christ on a two-wheeled unicycle sometimes I really wonder about you all...
It's mainly the stale jokes. Almost every single joke they make is a ******* "Remember that time when..." joke. It's difficult to make a show, but they're doing decent with the animations, plots, and the other complicated stuff. But a decent joke is pretty damn easy to make, especially if you have multiple writers.
However, I agree with your point about ******** on the fans. I hate the show, but I respect your opinion. Insulting a show is fine, but insulting the fans just makes you a dick.
What knowledge, may I ask, do you have of the process? I started a traditional (Pen and Paper games like Dungeons and Dragons, Card Games like Magic the Gathering and Board Games like Settlers of Cataan) game creation and publication company, and it SEEMS easy: Write, get pictures drawn, post on tabletop sites. But it's not, oh God it's not. The creation of creative works is ridiculously difficult, because it's about a battle with yourself. You have to ask yourself "Sure, I think this is cool/funny/scary/insert emotion here, but will OTHERS", and that fills you with a lot of self doubt. Especially when you release a dud that everybody hates. I'm not saying that Family Guy is the best animated show out there (Rick and Morty took that spot for me), I'm just saying that we should consider how difficult it is to actually make something like this, and just leave those who enjoy it alone. I never understood the appeal to brow beating somebody because they like something you don't.
On a related note, anybody here have the "It's Ok To Not Like Things" Webm?
Just because you can't do better, doesn't mean you can't deliver criticism. I don't need to make a game as good as Assassins Creed Unity, to know that micro transactions in a $60 game is ******** and to point out all the graphics glitches and broken physics.
There's a difference between noticing flaws and assuming that you know better. Unless somebody can produce proof that the creators of Family Guy just sit around jerking off onto film reel until an episode forms from there semen, I'm not gonna believe that an entire franchise is nothing but a lazily thrown together pile of **** , especially because there are still plenty of people, myself included, who still enjoy the show
People are still entitled to their opinion. If they think it's **** , they shouldn't have to validate that opinion to you by producing something, which you subjectively would declare, better.
That's just the thing, I'm not ASKING anybody to do that. I am, in fact, expressing my OWN opinion about how I can't share my opinion because everybody else lords their OWN opinions above anything that doesn't fit their criterion. So actually, this argument is ENTIRELY based upon opinions, in which I've never even tried to invalidate anybody else's opinion, just trying to protect my own.
You are invalidating people's opinions who dislike the show by saying "You go make your own show, tell me how easy it is.". This is coming across as "You can't dislike the show unless you have made your own show."
And of course people value their own opinion over others, that's why it's their opinion. If you like the show, then good for you, but not everyone will. But yes, you shouldn't be shouted down for liking the show anymore than someone should be shouted down for disliking it. We're all adults here, we're allowed to like and dislike whatever entertainment we want to, and we don't have to give reasons for it either.
psychologyxplain is making the right point here. I can't say that he isn't invalidating other's opinions because by attempting to prove them wrong he is indirectly attempting to do so. However much of this conflict stems from people complaining about how they don't like family guy, which is fine, but then they declare that it is therefore bad.
It is unnecessary to insult a show just to make other people feel bad that they like it. A good example is music. I do not like certain genres or artists, however that doesn't make it bad music. In fact some music that I dislike is amazing music that earned it's place in history.
Family Guy is likely not a masterpiece, however it is something that many people enjoy, and it is simple comedy. It does not have the wow factor of South Park, where characters viciously **** down each other's throats, nor does it have the originality of simpsons. I am not trying to declare that you said anything insulting, this last statement is in general and directed at those who have been unnecessarily insulting.
i get what you are saying. But the "make your own show if you dont like it" argument is not a good argument. I dont think its ever been a good argument.
I can understand where you're coming from with that. It's just annoying, because I WANT to interact in the community and discuss things with like minded individuals, and I'm not an idiot I'm fully aware there are ALWAYS going to be people who dislike things, as well as people who will **** on others for things that they like. But when an entire community is balls to the wall ignorant because the bandwagon just happens to look a little classier this time, it's just frustrating. Thank you, by the way, for being able to point out something I said and disagreed with without making an idiot out of either of us. I respect the hell out of that, I really do.
Thanks, and i agree. Bandwagons are really annoying so i understand where you are coming from. Im not the biggest fan of family guy myself but its not okay to insult fans for having different opinions.
Oh c'mon dude, we aren't talking about bobs burgers or some other d-grate trash.
Groening is the father of the simpsons and futurama. 2 ******* huges concepts. I'm sure he has the status to tell the guys at Fox to eat his shorts.
What are they gonna do about it? Fire him? NBC, CC, ABC, CBS and Netflix are waiting in line to suck his dick.
I'll take something like this over their "remember when..." jokes any day. Also I'm let you finish but South Park is the best animated sitcom of all time
Hate it all you want Family guy is still extremely popular and will follow in the simpson's footsteps its popularity is mainly because of that, but still
It's not exactly the same. I'm aware of both being from Mcfarlane. It's just American Dad is so much more polished. The characters aren't put into *just* X/Y cliches, they feel like they have more personality. The plots are reused a lot, but because they don't do a cutaway every 3 minutes it feels more fluid and connected.
Not in my opinion. It's more concentrated seth macfarlane liberalism, if anything.
I'll give him some points for steering away from "fat dad, fat son, ugly daughter" character format, and I do like that he made Haley a more workable character than Meg.
But at the end of the day, the jokes, the plotlines, the gay alien- it's not really all that different from Family Guy.
It's like looking at two paintings by the same person and saying that they're completely different styles.
For me it's less watchable for some reason. I haven't watched the recent seasons at all. Only one episode stands out as memorable, and it's the one where Steve is taken over by Satanism.
That said, it's come to my attention that Macfarlene no longer works on the show, so that probably could have improved it more.
And granted, my opinion of Family Guy is quite high. Maybe it's the way it's always stuck to lowbrow humor and pop culture references, but I came to love it even as the writing has clearly become extremely lazy. Can't turn back now.
You know what I have always wondered about is Bob's Burgers. Can't tell if it's good or **** , to be honest. Sometimes I can't stand to watch it, other times it's wonderful.
Except that it doesn't diverge from the episode's plot for a 4 minute chicken fight every other episode or a cutaway every other minute, and that he gave the characters enough personality to grow or not be a cliche. That's what I mean by polished. Peter's entire character is being fat and crude. Meg's entire character is that she's hated. Chris is a loser, Brian is an ignorant idiot, Lois is Brian but with an unwarranted "holier than thou" personality, and Stewie, one of the few characters that could have been something other than a cliche, has just turned into a faggot.
Steve's also a loser, but he's a loser with friends which keeps the cast fresh. He's a loser who is constantly trying to not be a loser, and has a dad who isn't a complete idiot so you have results that aren't always boring. He's not a total loser either, he's a nerd. Chris is just a loser. No more no less.
Stan is a jingoist republican in the CIA. So he has an actual job that allows for more interesting stories, and a character that allows for topical development. Immigration? He can legitimately express an opinion and build an episode around that because his character would be concerned about it. Peter's just... a loser. He does nothing.
Francine is an idiot woman like Lois but doesn't have the "better than you" thing going on. So while they force in some ******** backstory like with her hating Clooney, at least she's not disgustingly annoying every episode.
Haley has Jeff who keeps her character fresh, and she's an actual character instead of a prop, unlike Meg. She's a foil to Stan and lets them expand on any opposing views he might express in an episode.
Then you have Roger. Roger is special, because he doesn't have a personality. He's a selfish substance abusing womanizer pansy who's a loser - and they do use this for a few episodes, but his real place in the show is a believable placeholder for any character they need. If they need a joke, they don't need to do a cutaway, but instead they can have Roger standin with a ridiculous outfit, make a joke on that, and have Roger be a character in the rest of the episode, since he's so flexible. But with Brian or Stewie, Brian just doesn't have much with him since they made his character too flat, and Stewie's been ruined.
Klaus is just a fish and hasn't been explored enough. They could do more with him. He's like the Meg/cutaway joke, but he's not used so much to make him annoying.
Well the later episodes have some serious character development especially with meg, brian and stewie, while Louis sort of slides back into this bitch nobody likes.
Peter's actually quite a loving man when it comes to his family, but lacks the emotional maturity to not be a ****** . Meg has more strength than any of them. Stewie's actually a good person, Brian learns he isn't as smart as he thought he was, and Chris has hidden talent beyond just scholastics kid can draw, really really well
Is it perfect and detailed? By no means, but that's what I like about it. I guess I'm more of a casual TV watcher.
Chris isn't as much of a loser as you think he is, he's just creative and doesn't actually give a **** about popularity. Stan is an idiot, plain and simple, just an anti-Brian really.
Meg becomes a serious character in several episodes. It's revealed she lets them keep picking on her just to keep her family together. She's also a voice of reason, like Brian but without the pretentiousness. She's more like Stan, trying hard not to be a loser even though she is.
Roger HAD potential. But then they made him queerish and more of a running gag. Brian isn't so flat anymore, both literally after they upgraded the art style and figuratively. He's got a lot of sides to him. Sometimes he's a serious voice of reason, other times he's a moron. He's a substance abuser, a pretentious douchebag, a mature dog in a clan of immature people... he's got a better premise than he had.
Stewie is far from ruined. But he HAS changed to be far less aggressive than he was. His premise is now hyper-intelligent baby who has a good side to him.
Klaus.. klaus irritates me. They bring him out as filler half the time. He's kind of like Stewie in episodes where Stewie isn't necessary as an important character. He just sort of chimes in. His jokes used to be funny, but later on they were just..eh.
If you're gonna emulate the Simpsons, the part where you get aggressively mediocre eight seasons in an keep at that for like 20 years, is maybe something you might wanna not emulate ya i know thres still some good eps like the on e with the crayon up Homer's nose ,but still C'mon
It became so ******* stale... I like chocolate cake, but it gets stale after too long.
American Dad on the other hand? 2 good seasons, then **** . How many times can we go "Steve disappointed Stan by being effeminate, so Stan tries to toughen him up but finds Steve is capable and skilled in his own way", "Stan ***** up and Francine wants to leave, Stan comes up with a hair-brained scheme that backfires and almost costs him everything until he gives a heartfelt speech", and "Stan and Haylie don't see eye to eye, until Stan's ultra-conservative views land him in a bad position where he ultimately sees the value of Hailie's liberal views and finds a common ground" with "Roger drives/crashes the plot line in a silly outfit every 8 minutes" before it gets old?
Eh, to each his own. I think American Dad is incredible. I like it more than family guy, Roger is one of my favorite characters of all time, I mean, he's very simple, they just make him do ridiculous thing, but it makes me laugh, so I'm gonna continue watching, and you continue doing whatever you want to do. It's a free country.
Like I said: the first few seasons were great... But seriously, how many times can we watch Stan screw up in the same ******* way?
Roger holds the show together, but just barely. And even then, episodes centered on him tend to be lackluster.
I thoroughly enjoyed the show at first. And I'll rewatch the early seasons any time.
I enjoy the newer one's just as much. Morning Mimosa may be my favorite episode and it's very new. There's never really been one I didn't enjoy, the only ones I don't love are the one's I've seen 300 times haha. It just doesn't get old to me, I don't feel like it's the same episodes, sure there are lots of reoccurring themes for the episodes, like the ones you stated, but I feel like that's more so just because it's part of their characters. Like Steve always being a pussy, and stan trying to help him, that's those characters personalities. It's like saying The Office is the same thing over and over again because it's Micheal doing something stupid and having to fix it. Sure many Episodes (Before he left), micheal did something stupid, and screwed up an order or offended everyone in the office, but that's just who he is so they can do it multiple times.
Not the best worded argument, but hopefully you get what I mean. But anyways, it's just my opinion, and I'm some random guy on FJ, so why the **** should you care? You enjoy hating American Dad, and I shall enjoy enjoying it, I think my job is a little easier.
See, the problem is that Steve is a pussy, Stan hates that, then Stan comes to terms with it.
Then two weeks, later Stan has completely forgotten that in the previous episode he agreed to love Steve for who he is, and goes back to hating him for being a fag.
The overarching "someone is an idiot who does stupid things" is vague, and in fact a core concept of many shows. That's not the problem. The problem is, 8 seasons in and at least 3 episodes per season are Stan coming to terms with his son being a little bitch.
And it's actually extremely easy to hate the show. It does most the work for me.
I can definitely see your side, cause there are a ton of steve is a pussy episodes. They're just different enough for me I guess that I don't feel like I'm watching the same thing.
I think it really dawned on me when I started watching the full series on Netflix. I went on one day and couldn't remember where I was, suddenly I skipped half a season because I couldn't tell one "Stan nearly ruins his marriage" episode from another.