I actually haven'y encountered anything more than a couple minor graphic bugs in my 43 hours of gameplay. I even finished the main story without so much as having to reload a save due to bugs

This happens with every. single. game.
The reason It's in this sort of frequency is because, as you said, It's popular.

"It's fun" isn't an argument for something being good, it's an argument for the person liking it. You can have fun getting whipped by a woman dressed in cat ears, but that doesn't make it a good experience since fun is s subjective factor.

Graphics on the other hand are fairly objective since you can quantify them, so that's why people usually use them as a metric when discussing games even though they don't impact much. That being said, Fallout 4's graphics are pretty disappointing for something that was meant for this generation.

Or...you know...maybe there are legitimate problems with that game that people should be pointing out.

It's not perfect, and maybe it is fun

but it could be better, and previous games have proven as such

People like you are the reason Bethesda keeps getting away with recycling an outdated engine and shipping an unfinished product.

Stop making excuses for incompetent developers just because their product is still fun to you (which means nothing, because fun is a subjective measurement of quality).

Your logic of "just because their product is fun to you doesn't mean anything because it's subjective" is inherently flawed.

You want to make it sound like your complaints are more objective than subjective but they're just as subjective as someone's positive opinion but has less credibility to it due to your stupid buzzword excuses of "outdated engine" and "unfinished product".

Bitch, the product is fine and mostly bug-free on many PCs and consoles, I'm 28 hours in and haven't had any sort of game breaking bugs, only the rare and quick visual bug. And the outdated engine bit? It works fine, the improvements they've made to it are fantastic and to create an entirely new engine from scratch to appease the few stupid ******* nitpicks people have about the physics engine is a waste of resources.

Bethesda has proven to know what they're doing and the only incompetent party here is your negative bandwagoning ass who doesn't know what he's talking about.

>Your logic of "just because their product is fun to you doesn't mean anything because it's subjective" is inherently flawed.

The only people that use flawed logic here are the ones who repeat saying "It's fun!" as if it's a scientific metric.

>they're just as subjective as someone's positive opinion

The very fact that you can proceed and adress my arguments means there's more substance to them than to their opinions. I have defined both of those phrases you call "buzzwords", so you can argue with them, meaning they aren't really buzzwords.

>Bitch, the product is fine and mostly bug-free on many PCs and consoles, I'm 28 hours in and haven't had any sort of game breaking bugs, only the rare and quick visual bug.

This is the equivalent of "works on my machine" people post on PC forums when someone comes and asks for help with software.
The fact of the matter is that Bethesda games are ridden with bugs even years after release, see >>#96, this would normally be unacceptable, but Bethesda seems to keep getting a free pass to it, why is that?

>It works fine

Yeah, sure it does. People who claim the graphics, animations and, as usual, the faces are anything more than just "works fine" are blinded by fanboyism, though.

>Bethesda has proven to know what they're doing and the only incompetent party here is your negative bandwagoning ass who doesn't know what he's talking about.

Damn son, all I did was give criticism to someone who claimed none of the faults in the game matter because it's fun to him. I didn't even call it **** or unplayable or anything of the sort, so chill. I know people sometimes need to justify their purchase to themselves and others when they discover the product is anything less than perfect, but those should be mad at themselves for being so naive, not at me.

Unfinished product? Have you even played the game? How did you even come to that conclusion anyways?

Outdated engine? If it's still a great engine, why must they create entirely new one if they can update and revamp the one that's proven good?

I've been playing Fallout 4 since Nov 9th and I can safely say that it's pretty damn fun.

It's assholes like you that makes things seem bleak just because you demand nothing less than the impossible. The impossible being your own expectations.

<Screenshot from Fallout 4, just a simple one of my character sitting behind a counter.

It isn't proven good, in fact it's the source of many of Bethesda's design flaws.

It's possibly one of the worst game engines in the industry. They don't bother to make a new one because from the business standpoint, consumers will buy Fallout 4 simply because of its title and not by its integrity.

>How did you even come to that conclusion anyways?

In my opinion, if there's an abundance of bugs, many of them game-breaking, it's an unfinished product.

>Outdated engine?

Not a bad thing by itself, but isn't it the same engine Morrowing used, only polished? There's only so far you can go with polishing something, and I'm not alone when I say it's really starting to show its age.

>I can safely say that it's pretty damn fun.

And we're back at the "getting kicked in the balls" analogy.
Fun can't be quantified and is subjective. What part of this is so hard to get?
If you want, watch 10-minute video related explaining it in detail, but subjective metric = not a good way to determine the quality of something is a trivial as it gets.


>The impossible being your own expectations.

I never even said anything about my expectations, how did you conclude that I demand a literally perfect product, just because I won't make excuses for bad game design?
If a company expects me to pay top dollar for their product, it either has to work reasonably well or get fixed when something doesn't work.
Wanna know when I played Skyrim? This year.
Wanna know how many game-breaking bugs I encountered that had been known for several years? Three, and I only played the main storyline.
If I have to spend hours to find a workaround to a known bug because the dev can't be bothered to fix it, that's when I call it an unfinished product.

In my game, I've only seen two bugs. None of them game-breaking.

Fun is indeed subjective. Oh wow, what a discovery! I'm saying it's fun because I find it fun.

When it was first released. Skyrim had ********* of bugs, holy hell. Esbern bug, anybody? Still, it's a great game because it had lot of content and great stuff which Fallout 4 has. Also, it was being updated over the years. It's only been a week since Fallout 4 came out, come on.

>Oh wow, what a discovery! I'm saying it's fun because I find it fun.

Given how many people seem to have a problem with the concept, I think it's actually a discovery.
That's good for you that you enjoy it, but maybe give some reasons next time so we can argue with those.

>Still, it's a great game because it had lot of content and great stuff which Fallout 4 has.

Never said it was **** or unplayable, I even did get some enjoyment out of it, even if the final boss was underwhelming and I had to spend hours working around bugs, which is still an unacceptable thing years after release.

Even if people hated it they'd keep doing it

But plain and simple, the graphics are actually fine

But if I enjoy it, what do I care if they are recycling anything?

The more you make the argument the less attached to reality it sounds.

Because anything can be fun, regardless of its merits.
Maybe I enjoy getting kicked in the balls, doesn't matter to me if it's painful and unhealthy, it's fun to me so that makes it a worthwhile activity, right?

I'm not telling you to stop enjoying something you like, I'm telling you to look at it objectively and stop making excuses for obvious flaws.
Dark Souls is one of my favourite games of all time, doesn't mean I will attempt to excuse the horrible PC port and framerate issues in Blighttown.
Just because something is flawed doesn't mean it's **** . The one thing as obnoxious as people that scream "there's this one low res texture, therefore it is **** " are fanboys who cannot accept their favourite thing is anything less than perfect.

But if most people enjoyed being kicked in the balls then your analogy would have made a little bit of sense.

I'm not making excuses, I'm trying to point out the idiocy of crying about a game over something as pathetic as 'sub-par graphics'

It's annoying to see people unable to enjoy something because they are on a bandwagon or are just too up their own ass to be bothered with something they don't think is completely perfect.

>But if most people enjoyed being kicked in the balls then your analogy would have made a little bit of sense.

yourlogicalfallacyis.com/bandwagon
Fun is still subjective. It's like saying you like a certain food because it's 'tasty' - no substance, no argument, only your subjective opinion that it is enjoyable to you. I could argue that something is not fun to me and we both would have the same argument without substance. If you want to convince anyone, you need to give reasons why you think it is fun despite its flaws or anything else that people can argue with.

>I'm not making excuses

You very much are. You are trying to dismiss valid criticism (gamebreaking bugs, poor controls, dialogue wheel, outdated graphics) with "it's fun to me, so it doesn't matter".

Oh you're trying so hard

Yeah, I'm trying really hard to explain to you why "it's fun" is a poor argument. Didn't think it'd take that long either.

Why not tell me what exactly it is you find so fun about Fallout 4? It is the story, the exploration, the roleplaying?

I find the game to be fun because of the rpg elements, the gameplay, the graphics, the aesthetic, and because I enjoy the themes.

Also because I'm capable of experiencing fun.

See, it's pretty simple reasons, but we're getting somewhere. The more you think about why something makes you feel a certain emotion, the more reasons you can give and the easier it becomes for you to find similar games you might also enjoy, the more refined your taste becomes.

is it bad that I recognize that girl?